Iowa Primary Winners: Obama vs. Huckabee

[quote name='dopa345']Just as it would be wrong to slam Obama just because he's black, it's just as wrong to slam a candidate just on their religion.[/QUOTE]

Disagreed. Race says nothing about a person's beliefs, while religion speaks volumes.

I agree that one should keep an open mind toward candidates despite differences in beliefs, but I think your analogy is way off base.
 
[quote name='dopa345']Just as it would be wrong to slam Obama just because he's black, it's just as wrong to slam a candidate just on their religion.[/quote]

Religion is a choice. Your skin color is not.

I will slam anyone based on religion, weight, tattoos, piercings, or anything else they choose for themselves.

If one of the candidates was an Islamic extremist wouldn't you hold it against them?
 
[quote name='Magehart']Religion is a choice.[/quote]Sorry, Blaise Pascal, but I must disagree. It simply is not possible for me to choose to convert to Christianity or Islam or... whatever. I can't wake up tomorrow and say, "You know what? I think I'm gonna try out this Baptist thing I've heard so much about." Just doesn't work like that.
 
[quote name='ananag112']I think the next US president should have a strong understanding of foreign policy already[/quote]



I agree. We should vote for Rudy.





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[quote name='hootie']Huckabee as president would mean absolutely no funding for stemcell research, and that is unacceptable.

Also, him being a young earth creationist is a big deal, as Crotch stated. I believe useful scientific research would go nowhere, which would be devastating. I simply can't believe the possible leader of the free world would be ignorant enough to think the Earth is only 6000. Ugh.[/quote]


I'm feeling lazy so I'm not gonna look it up, but a scientist has find a way to take regular cells and make them completely mimick and imitate stem cells, so with this advancement hopefully stem cell research will be possible without people complaining.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Sorry, Blaise Pascal, but I must disagree. It simply is not possible for me to choose to convert to Christianity or Islam or... whatever. I can't wake up tomorrow and say, "You know what? I think I'm gonna try out this Baptist thing I've heard so much about." Just doesn't work like that.[/quote]

Religion is an ideology not a tangible object. You can change your beliefs if you truly want to. Nobody genetically inherits their beliefs. It can be thrust upon you by your parents but by the age of 18 you should be able to think for yourselves as to whether you believe it or not.

So enlighten me as to why you cannot convert? Lets say from your religion to becoming a Deist.
 
[quote name='The Crotch']Sorry, Blaise Pascal, but I must disagree. It simply is not possible for me to choose to convert to Christianity or Islam or... whatever. I can't wake up tomorrow and say, "You know what? I think I'm gonna try out this Baptist thing I've heard so much about." Just doesn't work like that.[/QUOTE]

Uhhhhh....yeah it is.
 
[quote name='Magehart']Religion is an ideology not a tangible object. You can change your beliefs if you truly want to. Nobody genetically inherits their beliefs. It can be thrust upon you by your parents but by the age of 18 you should be able to think for yourselves as to whether you believe it or not.

So enlighten me as to why you cannot convert? Lets say from your religion to becoming a Deist.[/quote]I did not say that I am incapable of converting. I said that I am incapable of choosing to convert. I'm not sure to what degree that affects your point about religion being something you should judge a person/candidate on.

If I were to convert to something - we'll use your example of deism - I would not simply be able to choose it. I would require a reason to become a deist. Empirical evidence of some sort, a spiritual awakening, a miracle (though that would be very not-deist)... whatever. Now, I can choose to seek certain things out, true, and I suppose I can choose to ignore them if I find them (a partial concession here - score a half point for you). But what I can't do is decide that I'm going to become a deist without them. If I have seen, felt, and experienced absolutely nothing in my life to convince me that there is some some sort of creator god out there that has since left its creations to their own devices, then no amount choosing is gonna turn me into a deist or anything else. Well, except maybe for a particularly attractive Latvian Orthodox nun, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Dammit, why couldn't you have picked "Latvian Orthodox" instead of "deist"? The jokes write themselves are already written for that one!
 
What about all of the people who convert solely for the purpose of marriage? Tony Blair converted to Catholicism, after leaving office. Tell me that in a country of mostly Anglicans, that wasn't planned. He chose to convert because his family is catholic.

People switch religions for a multitude of reasons, isn't always some sort of profound enlightenment.
 
Okay, okay, okay. I think I get it now. One last try, yeah?

I (or Tony Blair) can choose to go to a Catholic church. I can choose to get baptized as Catholic. I can choose to call myself Catholic. I can choose to eat the bread and drink the wine. I can not choose whether or not I believe it.

Maybe that's just me. Maybe I shouldn't be operating under the assumption that most other people are like me in this regard.
 
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