Iraqi Prisoner Abuse

[quote name='Jakeryansdad']So even if they were "teens", they should still have they DECENCY to not do that to someone.[/quote]

Unfortunately, you can go to fraternity row on just about any college campus in America and find similar behavior by otherwise intelligent teens and young adults if you look hard enough. Reasonable people are capable of and do perform such acts all the time.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='PsyClerk']I suppose it's much more attractive for the left to lay blame on Bush or Rumsfeld rather than the actual perpetrators, though.[/quote]

=D>

while i dislike bush as much as anyone, i agree this incident isnt his fault directly. if you REALLY want to stretch it, it IS his fault that the troops are even there in the first place. and if you REALLY want to stretch that, its sadams fault we were there. and if you really want to stretch that, its the iraqi people fault for "electing" him. so as you can see its clearly their own fault...

anyways back in reality, i hope these troops are punished severly for this, as i 100% blame them. theres no excuses. no reasons, they truley are walking piles of human composte[/quote]

Rummy knew about it but kept it secret, that is what he has been accused of. Noone said he had involvement.

Also, the Iraqis had 2 choices on their voting cards, "yes" and "no".
A vote for "no" gets the death penalty and the vote is invalidated.
The CIA put that bastard in power, not the people.[/quote]

yeah i know about the election, thats why it was in quotes. i was just showing how to spin the truth. i should work in network news ^^

i didnt know rumsfeld knew about this, but if he did, he should resign. that reminds me of the chatholic church and their cover ups.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='Quackzilla']The CIA put that bastard in power, not the people.[/quote]

It's ok, the CIA is in collusion with the alien overmind.

Ironically, anyone remember that Sgt Slaughter teamed up with the Iron Sheik or someone that was supposedly Iraqi back in the early 90s? What's old is new again![/quote]

the iron sheik and general adnon
 
Come on... A little torture never hurt anynone! :twisted: Seriously though, when bad things happen to bad people (even if uncalled for) I dont have a whole lot of pitty. These fucking war criminals can cry me a f*cking river. It's the sexual abuse of prisoners that i disagree with. There is a difference between beating and electocuting someone for info or cause they deserve it and RAPING someone as a way to get off :( I also have to say that as much as I have a distaste for Bush and Rummy I can't see how you can pin it on them. They are 2000 miles away and what happend seems isolated and not a matter of policy.
 
So there was 3 guys in a bar...an Israeli, an American, and an Iraqi...


(please feel free to continue the joke that is this thread)
 
[quote name='defender']So there was 3 guys in a bar...an Israeli, an American, and an Iraqi...


(please feel free to continue the joke that is this thread)[/quote]

And you feel free to keep reading it and commenting. It really adds to the debate.
 
Actually that reminds me of another joke.

A street reporter is doing a 'man on the street' poll for a local TV station. He stops an American, an Iraqi, a Pole, and a guy who is obviously a native New Yorker. He asks them "Excuse me, what's your opinion on the meat shortage?"

The American says "What's shortage?"

The Iraqi says "What's opinion?"

The Pole says "What's meat?"

The New Yorker says "What's excuse me?"
 
[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='Quackzilla']The CIA put that bastard in power, not the people.[/quote]

It's ok, the CIA is in collusion with the alien overmind.

[/quote]

Are you really ridiculing the idea that the CIA has overthrown foreign governments? We installed Saddam because he was a secular leader that we could do business with. The biggest fear for us would be a popularly elected official in the Middle East because more than likely it would be a fundamentalist Islamic regime that would cut off our oil supply.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']Are you really ridiculing the idea that the CIA has overthrown foreign governments? We installed Saddam because he was a secular leader that we could do business with. The biggest fear for us would be a popularly elected official in the Middle East because more than likely it would be a fundamentalist Islamic regime that would cut off our oil supply.[/quote]

You'll be excused this time because you're new. But I was taking a jab at someone else's belief in aliens and the government cover-up that keeps them a secret from the rest of the world.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk']Dependence on oil is only part of it. Our support for Israel is another HUGE part of it. Arabs hate us for that more than anything.[/quote]

I didn't mean to ignore our support for Israel but I don't see what we can do to change that. If we don't support them, I wouldn't be surprised at nuclear war in the region. Of course past administration have tried something called diplomacy. Maybe someone should teach Dubya that word phonetically.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='MrBadExample']Are you really ridiculing the idea that the CIA has overthrown foreign governments? We installed Saddam because he was a secular leader that we could do business with. The biggest fear for us would be a popularly elected official in the Middle East because more than likely it would be a fundamentalist Islamic regime that would cut off our oil supply.[/quote]

You'll be excused this time because you're new. But I was taking a jab at someone else's belief in aliens and the government cover-up that keeps them a secret from the rest of the world.[/quote]

A thousand pardons...

But I did want to illustrate we are reaping what we sowed over there. Same as we did with the Shah of Iran.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']I didn't mean to ignore our support for Israel but I don't see what we can do to change that. If we don't support them, I wouldn't be surprised at nuclear war in the region. Of course past administration have tried something called diplomacy. Maybe someone should teach Dubya that word phonetically.[/quote]

Diplomacy has been tried ever since the inception the Jewish state. As has been stated on this very thread, it is difficult, if not impossible, to negotiate and be diplomatic with religious fundamentalists.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='MrBadExample']I didn't mean to ignore our support for Israel but I don't see what we can do to change that. If we don't support them, I wouldn't be surprised at nuclear war in the region. Of course past administration have tried something called diplomacy. Maybe someone should teach Dubya that word phonetically.[/quote]

Diplomacy has been tried ever since the inception the Jewish state. As has been stated on this very thread, it is difficult, if not impossible, to negotiate and be diplomatic with religious fundamentalists.[/quote]

Well our choices are to try diplomacy or step back and start selling the handbaskets. I think we've coddled the Israelis too much sometimes. We need to put heavy pressure on both sides to come to an agreement. Both need to compromise. Right now Sharon and his assassination squads are certainly not helping ease tensions and neither are the Palestinian suicide bombers.
 
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