Is DOA4 everything you hoped for?

correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think a patch wouldn't fix the normal lag...many people play with shitty connections or while they're downloading stuff on their pc.
 
[quote name='Maynard']I fucking Hate The Clear End Boss So fucken Cheap And fucking Gay[/QUOTE]

My controller has almost gone flying a few times from my fight with her. That stupid fucking spin attack makes me want to kill whoever designed it.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']yes the last boss is clearly cheap and I loathe having to do that to get the costumes by beating that #@%@#% over and over. There are certain strategies that will make sure you beat her in 1-5 tries but of course that takes trial and error. You'll find out if you're trying to unlock costumes for all the people though. She is truely a pain in the ass for Brad Wong Since he seems to have almost no long range attacks. Good thing he only has 4 costumes. [/QUOTE]
I've found quick combo attacks, followed by running attacks, works best. This strategy has gotten me down from 30 attempts/character to about six. And my wife is happy I'm not swearing so much or so loud.

[quote name='Zoglog']The weird thing is i've unlocked all of Kokoro's costume and lo and behold the kimono one isn't one of her 7.......... very strange considering it's all there. Perhaps there's an 8th costume needed to unlock another way or future unlock? because as you all see in the intro it's clearly there. [/QUOTE]
Something tells me there will be other costumes released via Xbox Marketplace -- meaning you'll have to pay to get them.

[quote name='Zoglog']And as for online they're gonna need to do a major overhaul for sure. I'm guessing that's why they delayed release because Online wasn't up to par. I'm guessing they just didn't want to delay it any longer to get it completely fixed. Perhaps a patch? I've heard that DOA Ultimate had the same issues that were never addressed that has me worried though.

A simple way to make it more fun? mini games in the lobby while you wait your turn to fight. Much more fun than watching 8 people for 15 minutes before you get your turn...[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's because I'm in Cali and play late at night, but the lag hasn't bugged me too much. I mean, with graphics that good, and up to 8 people talking over the action, you can't expect seamless online multiplayer. I'm much more forgiving than I was with DOA Ultimate, which I gave the lowest score of any journalist.
 
Something tells me there will be other costumes released via Xbox Marketplace -- meaning you'll have to pay to get them.

Itagaki said in an interview that there were no plans for downloadable content...but since the game was rushed out the door, maybe he'll go back on that.
 
Well, I may hold off on this now....I was never a BIG fan of the fighting genre, and if there is LAG online, just another reason to wait. I have Gift Cards to the major stores, I guess I will hold onto them for other things.
 
My connection is ass and lag really isn't that bad with a group of 4 or 5 people. I think you guys need to toss out the laggers when you play. :) Connection wise this game is a lot better than DOA Ultimate. If anyone wants to play some time hit me up, it should run pretty good.

I didn't have too much trouble with the end boss though it seemed either the end boss or one character towards the middle would always give me a little trouble. I don't know many moves so I just counter and look for openings, I guess that works against the final boss.
 
I've had some games where lag isn't a problem but it's been an issue 80% of the time both at my parent's house in norcal and an issue at my apartment in Socal. We use different ISPs as well (also made sure nobody else was downloading porn ;) ). Another good indicator is that I simply don't get the same lag in games like PGR3 or PDZ where games are hosting up to 32 people! It's really just messy netcode in my opinion. I'll be checking periodically to see if things improve.

And if they make you pay for costumes, fuck them. I don't know wtf they're thinking with making you pay for extra content. I mean Winter Warrior pack wtf? I didn't pay for my damn Gamma/Delta/Classic Packs for Wipeout pure for my psp =p.

The funny thing I find is that the reviewers say that lag is never a problem which is bullshit. I'm dissapointed in gamespot majorly
 
find the quickest move that can be buffered from a move with a very high frame advantage. The lag will make it invisible, and thus unblockable. By the time they see it, it'll be too late to do anything about it.
 
DOA4 did not really live up to my expectations in some areas, but I still think it is a very fun game. Although I am not a grafix whore, the grafix remind me of DOA3 on the Xbox. I do realize that developers are just getting to know this system, but in fighting games, given that they are considered a "one trick pony" by some, grafix do kind of need to be "next-gen".
I don't mind if the boss is cheap, I just don't like that she/it can turn into a ceiling fan of death at will, that usually results into a 6+ hit combo.

Yes the online lag is a pain, but I remain hopeful of a patch. I also don't like how the point/credit system works, but that is a matter of preference.

Overall I am a fighting game fan, but DOA4 is not an innovation in the genre (they did not promise anything but I was hopeful). Rather it is just better environments, next-gen jiggle, and a good fighting system. Works for me, but if your not a fan of fighting games then hold off for a price drop IMO.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']find the quickest move that can be buffered from a move with a very high frame advantage. The lag will make it invisible, and thus unblockable. By the time they see it, it'll be too late to do anything about it.[/QUOTE]


that sometimes works in a reallllly laggy game...but most people drop when it's that bad.
 
I was really never into fighting games (last one I really played was Super STreet Fighter: The New Challengers for the SNES), but looking at the slim number of "great" launch titles I had no other choice or else the X360 (waited for 16 hours) I own would just be sitting there collecting dust. In my opinion most of the arcade games are better than the launch titles.

But anyway, I'm more of an old school gamer, so my expectations for DOA4 were mixed. After a couple rounds of getting worked by the comp, and throwing my controller 30 feet across my living room (thank you wireless!!), I finally got the hang of it (I found it easier to beat that Alpha chick by finding a strong 1 hit strike attack that blasts an opponent across the screen and repeating it). It was better than I expected, except for the lag online (was scared for a moment that it was just me).

Other than the lag, the game is decent enough and fun to play if you find a lobby with good connection speeds. The lobby should have something that other players can do to past the time, instead of watching other people fight. Don't really care too much about graphics, but that Eliot guy seems to look like a woman to me.

It's not everything I hoped for, but it's fun once you get the hang of it.
 
People are asking how much better it is compared to DOA:U?

Well they re-did some of the move lists, so you can't have all the cheeze you mastered in DOA:U and expect it to work with DOA4. Alot of that cheeze is gone, and even if you could still do it you would have to perform it with different button combinations.

Graphics wise the backgrounds are a huge step from DOA:U and are feeling next generation quality. Character models not so much, they are much more crisp, clean, fluid and probably have a few more polys, but overall they did not work overtime on the new character models with the exception of two people characters. Mistress Chief looks like something out of Halo 3. Also Ryu looked even better this time around with his Ninja Gaiden outfit on. I can't wait for NG2.

Countering seems more difficult to pull off, but It's still of the rock/paper/scissors type which can turn off alot of fighting fans. It gives the newbie a chance with a random counter, and the pro the advantage for people who spam the punch or kick buttons/a certain move. Not only is countering more fun, but it deals less damage this time around compared to DOA:U. You can't win simply with counters unless your opponent is extremely predictable.

The core gameplay hasn't changed much either. You still have your wide variety of power moves and quick attacks. A new addition is the "charge up" moves that every character seems to have. Also each character has a few new moves that they didn't get in the previous games. The most major change it seems is the ability to "juggle" other characters. While it was possible in DOA:U it seems far more prevailant this time around, and the computer actually takes advantage of it when it gets the chance.

The online has more variety then DOA:U, but not by a gigantic amount. I forget if DOA:U had tag or not, but DOA4 has that. The lobby system is unique and allows you to watch others fight from a lobby on a TV screen in a animeish setting, but It's nothing to wet yourself about. The online was supposed to be more fluid and less laggy, which it seems to do in most four player or less games, but as soon as you get anymore then that it can be just as bad as DOA:U was.

The only department I think that took a hit is sound. DOA2 had my favorite soundtrack, and that is still the case with DOA4. Some of the voice clips sound new but alot are just recycled.

Ehh... that's about it. if you love the Dead or Alive series you won't be dissapointed by DOA4. If you didn't like DOA:U, chances are you won't like DOA4. If you were on the fence with DOA:U, DOA4 might push you over the fence. If you like fighting games then you'll most likely like DOA4. If your starving for a online fighting game, or fighting game period for the 360... grab DOA4 and you won't regret it. Besides there is little in the way coming for the 360 anyways down the road, the only other 360 fighting titles that come to mind are KOF: Neowave and KOF: Max Impact 2.
 
fuck Alpha and her damn teleporting. She teleports in the middle of a freakin combo attack. What is that!?!? You can't block in the middle of a combo attack but she can teleport. CHEAP!

OH well, I still love this game.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']fuck Alpha and her damn teleporting. She teleports in the middle of a freakin combo attack. What is that!?!? You can't block in the middle of a combo attack but she can teleport. CHEAP!

OH well, I still love this game.[/QUOTE]

she's countering. you can counter in the middle of a combo ;-)
 
[quote name='Apossum']she's countering. you can counter in the middle of a combo ;-)[/QUOTE]

The teleport is a counter? That's bullshit.

Also, her grab attacks piss me off. You might as well quit if she hits one cause it'll take down damn near half of your life bar.
 
I am currently working on finishing time attack with everyone. It really is a great upgrade from the previous releases DOA3 and DOAU. The last boss though is a bitch especially in time attack where you have to beat her best 2 out of 3.
 
[quote name='Apossum']she's countering. you can counter in the middle of a combo ;-)[/QUOTE]

That's not nescessarily true. If it's a juggle combo which all of Alpha's and most of the other computer players are, you're SOL.
 
there is a move that Alpha does that ends with he flying into the air, when she comes down she comes down pretty slowly. it's a good time to let out your best combo.

also in time attack mode you can't change it to 1 round to make it faster right? I tried it, and it said the world settings had been changed, I didn't win a costume.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']there is a move that Alpha does that ends with he flying into the air, when she comes down she comes down pretty slowly. it's a good time to let out your best combo.

also in time attack mode you can't change it to 1 round to make it faster right? I tried it, and it said the world settings had been changed, I didn't win a costume.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if you change it to 1 round, you can still unlock Tengu, but you won't get any costumes. Alpha 152 is really just a severe case of SNK Boss Syndrome, rediculously high damage percentage, repetitive unblockable moves and combos, and the clairvoyant ability to read your button input in order to determine how to counter whatever move it is you are about to do.
 
[quote name='spmahn']Alpha 152 is really just a severe case of SNK Boss Syndrome[/QUOTE]

I was thinking "Ultimate Rugal" the whole time I was fighting her...

...all 126 times. With Kasumi. Over one hour.

I doubt I'll ever touch the story mode again.
 
I got through everyone with Story mode, including Helena -- thus giving me Spartan. After the first few times, it was taking me about 15 minutes per character -- barring some Alpha problems. If you hate facing her, note that several characters don't have her as an end boss, and most of them unlock new people -- Ayane and the Macauly Culkin kid, if I remember correctly. But, as others have said, once you get used to her cheapness and devise good strategies, she's not toooooooo bad.
 
[quote name='spmahn']Yeah, if you change it to 1 round, you can still unlock Tengu, but you won't get any costumes.[/QUOTE]


Correct me if I'm wrong, but you unlock costumes through story mode, not time attack, right?
 
[quote name='toper']Correct me if I'm wrong, but you unlock costumes through story mode, not time attack, right?[/QUOTE]
No, when you beat time attack, you get a costume for that character.
 
[quote name='toper']Correct me if I'm wrong, but you unlock costumes through story mode, not time attack, right?[/QUOTE]

you unlock costumes for the characters you can't play in Story mode, like Ein, Leon, Spartan, etc. (by playing through time attack with them)
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']fuck Alpha and her damn teleporting. She teleports in the middle of a freakin combo attack. What is that!?!? You can't block in the middle of a combo attack but she can teleport. CHEAP!

OH well, I still love this game.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. That is bullshit.
 
Btw, Famitsu just gave DOA 4 39/40... one point shy of perfection. If this game doesn't sell systems in Japan, nothing can. I think thats the highest score since Soul Calibur 1 got a perfect for the DC for a fighting game, and the highest for a game in general since RE4 which I believe got a perfect or 39... I forget which.
 
You can unlock costumes through Time Attack with default settings only. but you can unlock Tengu in Time Attack with non-default settings.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']you unlock costumes for the characters you can't play in Story mode, like Ein, Leon, Spartan, etc. (by playing through time attack with them)[/QUOTE]

The regular Story mode characters, too.
 
Ok, my game blatantly f'ed me in the A. I beat story mode with Brad Wong a second time and I didn't get any new costume unlocked.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Ok, my game blatantly f'ed me in the A. I beat story mode with Brad Wong a second time and I didn't get any new costume unlocked.[/QUOTE]


are the story mode settings on default? if they are, then you may need to move up to hard mode. thought I read something somewhere about costumes being unlocked in harder difficulties.
 
you are playing the game right, you don't need to change difficulty settings.

the reason why you didn't get a costume for beating it with Brad Wong a 2nd time, is because he only has 3 costumes total. 2 default, and 1 for beating the game once.

all the regular characters costumes are unlocked in story mode only.

Spartan, Ein, Gen Fu, and Leon's costumes are only unlocked in time attack (has to be 2 rounds per match)
 
[quote name='asianxcore']you are playing the game right, you don't need to change difficulty settings.

the reason why you didn't get a costume for beating it with Brad Wong a 2nd time, is because he only has 3 costumes total. 2 default, and 1 for beating the game once.

all the regular characters costumes are unlocked in story mode only.

Spartan, Ein, Gen Fu, and Leon's costumes are only unlocked in time attack (has to be 2 rounds per match)[/QUOTE]

Ah well, this is all too much to keep track of. I wish the strategy guide would hurry up and be released already.
 
I'm going to punch someone through a wall if they don't fix that fucking XBox Live blade bug! That's the second time the whole fucking blade has locked up on me while DOA4 plays in the background (at a boss battle, too) and I had to restart the whole fucking system!!!!!!!!!
 
Does anyone have any tips on beating the final boss Alpha 152. I can get her health bar down about halfway before she murders me with a ridiculous combo? I hate her now, lol. Any tips would be greatly appreciated, thank you.
 
[quote name='Pratt75']Does anyone have any tips on beating the final boss Alpha 152. I can get her health bar down about halfway before she murders me with a ridiculous combo? I hate her now, lol. Any tips would be greatly appreciated, thank you.[/QUOTE]

Well, what I usually do to be cheap is find a move by a character that pushes Alpha back and continually do that move and she rarely blocks it. Most of the time its a forward forward punch or kick and that is how I usually beat her if I have difficulties.
 
I've finally unlocked the spartan and really am enjoying using it. DOA4 is living up to my expectations and now being able to play as the spartan, it is everything I've hoped for, but the game is so fucking difficult that during most matches I just want to scream obscenities and throw down my controller in a fit of rage.

I thought Story mode was hard. Then I played Time Attack. Not only do I have to beat this Alpha-152 bitch twice, but now I'm timed while doing so? fuck that.

I could understand if this was 'Very Hard' or even 'Hard' mode, but normal? Come the fuck on.
 
....but the game is so fucking difficult that during most matches I just want to scream obscenities and throw down my controller in a fit of rage.

I thought Story mode was hard. Then I played Time Attack. Not only do I have to beat this Alpha-152 bitch twice, but now I'm timed while doing so? fuck that.

I could understand if this was 'Very Hard' or even 'Hard' mode, but normal? Come the fuck on.[/QUOTE]

Makes me feel better that I'm not the only one screaming and getting REALLY pissed off during play. My wife is about ready to kill me. I just wanted to put my 360 through the wall at some points during story mode. Thank god I finally got through it.:bomb:
 
So am I the only CAG who plays this alot on Live?
Gamertag: Jagr69 Top two characters: Jann Lee and Gen Fu (it catchs everyone off guard going from the noob's favorite char to a char no one uses) I'm 105 and 135 with a C+ ranking, I have trouble beating anyone with a B+ or better. Add me to your list because I'll be playing this alot if im not working on COD2 single player, Quake IV single player or PGR3 single player.
 
If anyone wants to play hit me up, I try to play this as much as I can, but a lot of my list doesn't play it. I got a new net connection so lag should be less of an issue for me.

Gamertag - Ultimate Matt X
 
LOL i suck so bad at this game but it's still fun. I just got done unlocking the Spartan after playing through all the story mode characters. I hadn't played DOA since 3 when it first became a platinum hit. Needless to say I was pretty pissed at the game on many occasions when i'd keep getting smacked down by all these stupid high # hit combos and everything I tried got blocked.

Oh yea and thanks to me pausing the game and then falling asleep last night/this morning I now have the 10 hour play time thing unlocked! :D
 
This game has some fucking cheap AI. It's difficult, but not for the right reasons. One opponent will be half retarded and I can get a perfect, and the other will counter every move I throw and link 7-10 hit combos whenever they please. This game could have used more devolpment.
 
[quote name='zewone']This game has some fucking cheap AI. It's difficult, but not for the right reasons. One opponent will be half retarded and I can get a perfect, and the other will counter every move I throw and link 7-10 hit combos whenever they please. This game could have used more devolpment.[/QUOTE]

I played the final release at GameCrazy and feel the exact same way. I doubt I'll buy this title.
 
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