Is Going Green Tearing Your Family Apart?

[quote name='SpazX']Or just government period. Did I just blow your mind?

EDIT:Oh, so I was right? I didn't think I was just making it up, but whatever.[/QUOTE]

Nice. Find answers to things I never said.

Whatever kid. Life is a bed of roses, and people will treat you as you should be treated, just believe in it. Sooner or later you will find that no matter what rules society makes, people will break them for their own selfish desires.
 
How did this go from marital problems regarding the enviromental movement, to political correctness?

You happy FOC? You wanted more activity, but we can't keep things on the right track!
 
[quote name='JolietJake']How did this go from marital problems regarding the enviromental movement, to political correctness?

You happy FOC? You wanted more activity, but we can't keep things on the right track![/QUOTE]

AdultLink isn't new blood.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']AdultLink isn't new blood.[/QUOTE]

My fondest memory of Linkypoo is the time he argued that polls aren't worth anything because they don't poll every person in the entire country.

Presumably he lost his job performing quality control tests after smashing every single product that came off the assembly line.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That's part of it, at least with PC issues related to gender. But it's more just that:

1. People are inherently self centered and thus don't give a shit about being respectful to others.

2. Are on average uncomfortable with people different than them on some level, and if they don't out right disrespect some groups, they at least think some slang terms like "that's gay" are fine to say, that racial jokes are funny etc.

Which is why it's a losing battle to make society 100% PC, as the problem comes right down to human nature and socialization in modern society.[/QUOTE]

Not people, Americans. And not inherently, it's due to American ideals of individualism and the competition ingrained in us growing up in a capitalist economy.

That's the basic premise of Rosenfeld and Messner's 'crime and the american dream,' dude.

There is something about communication on the internet that enhances this experience, though. Being anonymous provides us with greater opportunities and a willingness to express beliefs we'd never dare to express in front of others otherwise. It's a great catharsis for assholes, which is why we often see it teeming with sexist and racist beliefs.

as for adult link, one does not have to rely on sexism to be an asshole. in fact, one might say that anyone who relies on sexism is uncreative, uses a crutch, or otherwise lacks the mental capacity to be a genuine asshole, so they have to tread the tired old boring path laid down by eons of sexist racist history that preceded them. you're not an asshole, hombre - you're a johnny-come-lately. and a rather boring one.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']AdultLink isn't new blood.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, all of this activity isn't doing squat. Now how do you plan to remedy that, huh?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Not people, Americans. And not inherently, it's due to American ideals of individualism and the competition ingrained in us growing up in a capitalist economy.

That's the basic premise of Rosenfeld and Messner's 'crime and the american dream,' dude.
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I'd concede that american society makes it worse. But there's plenty of intolerance, people making politically incorrect statements about minority groups in Europe, Asia, etc. etc. etc.

The selfishness and individualism is certainly worse in US culture. But hating or feeling uncomfortable about people different than you is everywhere, and maybe even more common in more homogenous nations that aren't a melting pot like the US. And certainly sexism is worse in other countries that are still much more patriarchal in orientation.

As for Crime and the American Dream, it's a good read but I've never bought most of it. The explanatory power goes down the tube since economic crimes like robbery and burglary and theft aren't higher in the US than in other countries. It's the violent crimes that are much higher (though the rest of the world is starting to catch up). Some violence is related to economic failure, but General Strain Theory is a better explanation for that.

But of course I'm a criminologist and not a sociologist so I'm not a fan of nation/society wide theories like that one, and put more stock into more individual level theories like general strain (which has macro and micro components which is the way to go IMO, I'm big on theory integration), self control theory, life course criminology etc.

But enough crim talk!

There is something about communication on the internet that enhances this experience, though. Being anonymous provides us with greater opportunities and a willingness to express beliefs we'd never dare to express in front of others otherwise. It's a great catharsis for assholes, which is why we often see it teeming with sexist and racist beliefs.
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It all comes down two things. First is your arguement, AKA as the internet fuckwad theory.

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Second is it drags out the dregs of society, societal drop outs, various types of anti-social extremists etc. who are already fuckwads without the above equation.
 
Let's get back on topic then.

Should a man kick his girlfriend out if she becomes so passionate about something it takes over her life?

What if it benefits the man? If she becomes a complete nymphomaniac, you'd be going crazy with joy until you realize both girls have mental problems. You could kick her to the curb but she'll probably key the shit out of your car, poison your dog, and take a dump on your doorstep.
 
[quote name='Msut77']My fondest memory of Linkypoo is the time he argued that polls aren't worth anything because they don't poll every person in the entire country.

Presumably he lost his job performing quality control tests after smashing every single product that came off the assembly line.[/QUOTE]

And when was the last time you even had a job?



Should a man kick his girlfriend out if she becomes so passionate about something it takes over her life?

What if it benefits the man?
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Depends. Uhh, no?
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It all comes down two things. First is your arguement, AKA as the internet fuckwad theory.

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I'm familiar with that. I really want to study something along these lines someday - what causes the caustic kinds of comments that you see online? (and, first, are they more caustic than what we experience in other aspects of everyday life? I certainly think so, but don't want to take that for granted.) Well, what are the causes and who are the kind of people who say such crass things online.

There's more to it than the Penny Arcade theory, though it's a fine start. ;)

Second is it drags out the dregs of society, societal drop outs, various types of anti-social extremists etc. who are already fuckwads without the above equation.
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i wholeheartedly disagree. i think it's people we see in everyday life who, via the internet, no longer feel constrained to withhold their sexist, racist, hateful beliefs - the same people who, in the presence of close and carefully-selected company, feel comfortable telling racist jokes or making racist statements, whether in jest or in seriousness.

I don't think it's the dregs at all - I think it's everyday Joes and Janes.

And you know I'm much more of a structuralist than an individualist. Social disorganization FTW. Ha.

EDIT: Back on topic, fine. This isn't about a "green" issue at all, because overly demanding people have existed as long as people have existed. It's kinda redundant, really. You think that a woman with this personality would be totally kosher in terms of her attitude and approach towards life if there was no environmental concern at all? Come off it. This is the same thing as the bodybuilding dude who ridicules his girlfriend for being "fat" because she was in the mood for one Hostess cake or some shit.

Short answer: people being unreasonable fucks exists completely independent of the environmental movement.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Let's get back on topic then.

Should a man kick his girlfriend out if she becomes so passionate about something it takes over her life?

What if it benefits the man? If she becomes a complete nymphomaniac, you'd be going crazy with joy until you realize both girls have mental problems. You could kick her to the curb but she'll probably key the shit out of your car, poison your dog, and take a dump on your doorstep.[/QUOTE]

Kick out is the problem term there, as we don't know the situation of the living arrangement etc.

The fact is, any time one person in a relationship has extreme views and it's making the other person miserable and unwilling to comply and no compromise can be reached, it's time to end the relationship and move on.

As for the threat of retaliation, if the person is that crazy, so be it. Even more reason to get out of the relationship, and fear of it is certainly no reason to keep it going.



[quote name='mykevermin']
i wholeheartedly disagree. i think it's people we see in everyday life who, via the internet, no longer feel constrained to withhold their sexist, racist, hateful beliefs - the same people who, in the presence of close and carefully-selected company, feel comfortable telling racist jokes or making racist statements, whether in jest or in seriousness.

I don't think it's the dregs at all - I think it's everyday Joes and Janes.
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I agree and disagree. I aggree that most of it the average Joes and Janes. But it's not an either or proposition.

It's the average Joes becoming fuckwads with the anonymity to express their deep down sentiments that they can't in real life due to social norms etc.. And it's the social drop outs who have no outlet in real life, and bitter losers who get online to rant and rave. And it's the out right racists who seek out an additional audience, etc. etc.

The internet brings out the worst from the average Joes and Janes and brings out the dregs of society. It really makes forums tough to deal with. I've been on Forums since the mid 90s, but I'm now down to CAG as the only one I vist at all anymore. And it's teetering on the brink of getting kicked to the curb again as well. Forums have just gotten to not be worth the frustration of getting sucked into arguments with people largely not worth arguing with.
 
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