Is it me or a lot of fanboy claim graphic is not important?

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I been visting a lot of site lately to collect information on which new console should I get this year, and one thing I notice is that for everyone guys that say wii game doesn't look too good, one guys pop up and saying graphic is not important, which is not a really good point itself. Good graphic and good control are all part of how to made a good game.

Back in playstation 1 day, we got plenty of god awful looking game compare to what one get now. If given the choice, will people play Soul Edge on Ps1 or Soul calibur III on a ps2 or even Soul Calibur for dreamcast. Having an innovative control is one thing, but need to be pair with good graphic to get the most out of gaming.

One thing I need to point out, I am NOT bashing wii here, i intend to get one in the future. One thign I remember best was that I bough both dreamcast with soul calibur and Final fantasy VIII on same day. Few playing a few hours of Soul Calibur, then i pop in final fantasy viii, good god it look like crap. I look good gameplay as well as the guys next door, but having good graphic to a game is a huge plus toward any system.
 
I don't think graphics matter as much anymore. It's not that I don't like new and updated graphics. I can appreciate a good looking game. The thing is I have to question how much emphasis is actually put on graphics. I agree that PSONE and Nintendo 64 games really show their age but I don't see anything now that would be unplayable due to horrible graphics.

Gears of War is a wonderful looking game but it is still only a small part of the entire sum of what makes it great. I don't think I agree with HD as the next big jump for gaming. When it comes down to it what you are getting is a sharper picture. Looks good? Yes. Innovation? Not really. New graphics aren't really innovation either being that they have happened in every generation of gaming. I am still impressed at times by some PS2 and Gamecube games and I think the graphic payoff is going to become less and less each generation here on out.

When it comes to the Wii I can understand that people are angry that there isn't a big graphical update when compared to the Cube. The thing is Nintendo was pretty up front about it in the first place and I don't think its fair to compare the Wii's graphics to the PS3's graphics when the machine will never be capable of that calibur of visuals.

I know its been beaten to death but the DS is a good example that graphics don't always make or break a console. I think it is obvious that the Wii is trying to head down that same road.

I may not be as big of a videophile as some gamers and I often wonder how people can complain about certain games but I also realize it does matter to some people. I can play games from any generation and have a good time nonetheless. I have to say I think the debate is mainly based on opinion and personal preference.
 
its all about fun, if you cant have fun with a game without cuttingedge graphics dont buy it. Same goes with a system. If you cant have fun, theres no point.
 
[quote name='jkam']
I know its been beaten to death but the DS is a good example that graphics don't always make or break a console. I think it is obvious that the Wii is trying to head down that same road.

[/QUOTE]

I think that is because people will make exceptions for handheld gaming, something that is designed for you to play in small bursts when you have nothing else to do.

[quote name='Ikohn4ever']its all about fun, if you cant have fun with a game without cuttingedge graphics dont buy it. Same goes with a system. If you cant have fun, theres no point.[/QUOTE]

But wouldn't it be better to have both? Nintendo has thrown the option of having both out of the window. I will buy a wii as soon as I find one in a store after I get my component cables in just so I can play Zelda, but Nintendo has everyone convinced you don't need graphics so they can make more money on the hardware. That is a damn shame.
 
Graphics definitely matter. A bad game is a bad game no matter what it looks like but a great game with great graphics will always be more fun to play than the same great game with sub-par graphics.

All things being equal (assuming for the sake of argument that the gameplay is exact which I know it isn't) would you rather play Resident Evil on PS1 or the Gamecube?
 
The RE arguement is kinda different since the PS1 and GC versions play completely different. But yeah, graphics count most of the time. Great graphics can mask basic gameplay (see Okami). Great gameplay can make bad graphics not as important.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']
But wouldn't it be better to have both? Nintendo has thrown the option of having both out of the window. I will buy a wii as soon as I find one in a store after I get my component cables in just so I can play Zelda, but Nintendo has everyone convinced you don't need graphics so they can make more money on the hardware. That is a damn shame.[/QUOTE]

It really is.

To me, good graphics means I get immersed into a game alot easier, and that makes the whole experience alot more awesome.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']It really is.

To me, good graphics means I get immersed into a game alot easier, and that makes the whole experience alot more awesome.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree. Graphics do more than just give you something to look at. They immerse you in the game which makes a huge difference. When something is comparatively ugly you won't get drawn into the game nearly as much.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']I totally agree. Graphics do more than just give you something to look at. They immerse you in the game which makes a huge difference. When something is comparatively ugly you won't get drawn into the game nearly as much.[/QUOTE]

A good example is early FPS compared to new FPS's... F.E.A.R draws you in because its atmosphere and that atmosphere is built by some amazing graphics.

Something like Half Life, while immersive in its day, won't really have the same effect anymore because its dated to the point where you know you're just playing a game.

Back in the day of 2-D stuff graphics really didn't matter that much, and in some genres they still don't... I don't think graphics matter in RPG's, for one, since those are necessarily story based.

But I think any first person shooter greatly benefits from nice graphics, since you can feel like you're almost really there.
 
[quote name='Xellos2099']I been visting a lot of site lately to collect information on which new console should I get this year, and one thing I notice is that for everyone guys that say wii game doesn't look too good, one guys pop up and saying graphic is not important, which is not a really good point itself. Good graphic and good control are all part of how to made a good game.

Back in playstation 1 day, we got plenty of god awful looking game compare to what one get now. If given the choice, will people play Soul Edge on Ps1 or Soul calibur III on a ps2 or even Soul Calibur for dreamcast. Having an innovative control is one thing, but need to be pair with good graphic to get the most out of gaming.

One thing I need to point out, I am NOT bashing wii here, i intend to get one in the future. One thign I remember best was that I bough both dreamcast with soul calibur and Final fantasy VIII on same day. Few playing a few hours of Soul Calibur, then i pop in final fantasy viii, good god it look like crap. I look good gameplay as well as the guys next door, but having good graphic to a game is a huge plus toward any system.[/QUOTE]


In mother Russia, graphic play you.
 
Would I rather play the same game with better graphics? Yes. Would I rather play Zelda with not-the-bestest graphics rather than not play Zelda? Definitely.

I don't always have to have the best possible of everything to be content.

Graphics upgrades don't suddenly make me think it's not a game, FF7 had better graphics than Virtua Fighter, but that didn't make me think it was real. Graphics still aren't that good.
 
I think the ds really shows that graphics aren't really everything.When the psp first came out I thought it would destroy the ds and the gameboy but it didn't destroy anything at all.I guess it's all about the gameplay but as long as I get a wii and a 360 I'm happy.
 
The one thing I like to point out to the people that say "Graphics don't matter" is how far gameplay has advanced due to graphical advancements. FPS's, 3d platformers, hell ANY 3d game wouldn't exist without graphic enhancements. Graphics arn't everything, just VERY important.
 
well, the main reason why psp failed are:

it is a battery horg
most of the game are available for ps2, if not cheaper
portable gaming with movable parts.... come on
too expensive and expensive game
people hate psp for indirectly shutting down lik-sang
Sony keep on making firmware change to prevent home-brew
Sony agressive stand of not bring over Suikoden I and II to usa for psp

enough said?
 
I think people are missing the biggest point of the underpowered Wii here though. Graphics are one thing (though, I still play SNES/Saturn/PS1 games from time to time, so they really aren't everything). But, leaps are made every year or so with AI in games. One of the reasons the early FPS are no longer playable aren't the graphics, it's that the enemies are so stupid. It's gotten a lot better. You'd be foolish to believe that it won't be a lot better in 3-4 years.

Will the Wii be able to handle these changes? Especially when developers are pulling out their bag of tricks to get the most out of the PS3 and the Xbox 360. I don't think it'll be an issue for the next year or 2 (heck, I think you could push the Xbox/PS2/Cube for anohter year or 2 no problem), but come 2009, will the Wii be able to hold up, or will they need to hawk an upgrade to keep it going?

I hope it does work, it seems like a cool concept with the controller, I just worry the system power won't hold up.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Graphics definitely matter. A bad game is a bad game no matter what it looks like but a great game with great graphics will always be more fun to play than the same great game with sub-par graphics.

All things being equal (assuming for the sake of argument that the gameplay is exact which I know it isn't) would you rather play Resident Evil on PS1 or the Gamecube?[/QUOTE]

I think a better example would be would you feel ripped off if Halo 2 came out for Xbox 360 and it was the exact same game but with slightly better graphics? Would it be worth the money?

The thing most people are doing here are comparing older PS1 games to PS3 graphics etc. We are not that far behind with the Wii.

Its come to a point where the graphics are not blocks and squares they get the message across easily enough with enough detail (unlike the PS1/N64). If someone can come in here and say that they were never immersed in a PS2, Cube, or Xbox game due to the bad graphics and now due to the power of the 360 or PS3 they can become immersed so be it... I just find that highly unlikely.
 
Well it is like this. I grew up with 2d games so I expect a certain standard of 2D games. In terms of realism and representation.

Towards the end of the 2d game hype people used prerendering. To be honest these pre rendered games was meant to make people think the system had more capabilities in 3d graphics.

When in truth these Virtual graphics is many pictures taken in some graphics design program. Then again they would record a whole scene and we would have the prerendered cutscenes.

Today we have game systems that have already or extremly close to surpassing there prerendered counter parts.

So my question would be where is my prerendered Goemon, Mario, and even
Misheive makers?

Why do we need to surpass the level of relalism and ty to make things look like us?

If they remade Final Fantasy VII for the GCN Hell Ya they would have
with Advent Children graphics. Yes there might be some zig zags but still Advent Children is not that far from Resident Evil 4 and even so then the recent systems some games probably already out did the graphics already or really close.

For crying out loud Reboot and Beast Wars have jaw droping graphics and yet they continue to out do them.

To be honest I miss the prerendered days as well as the hand drawn and pixel art games. Even so 3d animation and graphics reached there goal days long ago and now it is just super cheap for the rest of everybody.

Personally if I could have it my way I would ojly have Sega Saturn and the SNES2 the only two games systems out there.
 
[quote name='RegalSin2020']

Today we have game systems that have already or extremly close to surpassing there prerendered counter parts.

So my question would be where is my prerendered Goemon, Mario, and even
Misheive makers?

Why do we need to surpass the level of relalism and ty to make things look like us?

[/QUOTE]

Exactly the way I feel. Why do we have to go for perfect human looking characters? I always wanted to see games like Dragon's Lair that would be controllable. For everyone that bashed on Wind Waker the animation is so damn good. The first part of the game I almost couldn't believe I was playing a game. To me that was exciting. As good as some of these games look there is an equal amount of characters and models that look down right weird. Like this just looks odd to me:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/740/740507/nba-07-20061019040941431.jpg
 
[quote name='daroga']This is never going to end, is it?[/QUOTE]

Nope. Never. This horse just ain't coming back to life, no matter how hard some folks pound it.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']If Graphics dont matter, then why aren't we all using our imaginations and playing Dungeons and Dragons?[/QUOTE]

I dunno. Why do we eat steaks when we could live on grass and mud?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']If Graphics dont matter, then why aren't we all using our imaginations and playing Dungeons and Dragons?[/QUOTE]

i was gettin down on some battletech this weekend, i was even making sound effects as i moved my mech and stuff.
 
[quote name='iheartmetal']i was gettin down on some battletech this weekend, i was even making sound effects as i moved my mech and stuff.[/QUOTE]

I used to fight invisible ninjas outside with my Mighty Morphin Power Ranger powers. That ended, of course, when I sprained my leg last week :(
 
for me they arent. i really dont care at all. i just want to play a fun game. i like excitetruck on the wii more than motorstorm on the ps3, i dunno, its just more fun. id rather play toe jam and earl on the genesis than play it on the xbox, its just more fun. if a game has both, well bonus.
 
[quote name='iheartmetal']i was gettin down on some battletech this weekend, i was even making sound effects as i moved my mech and stuff.[/QUOTE]

I cast magic missile!

I'M ATTACKING THE DARKNESS.
 
[quote name='Strell']I cast magic missile!

I'M ATTACKING THE DARKNESS.[/QUOTE]

Can I have a mountain dew?

ROLL THE DICE TO SEE IF I'M GETTING DRUNK
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']If Graphics dont matter, then why aren't we all using our imaginations and playing Dungeons and Dragons?[/QUOTE]

Because I'm not a fucking dork
 
Graphical improvements are always good, but they are vastly overrated.
Case in point, who would in all honesty prefer to play the new Sonic the Hedgehog game on the 360 over the Sonic Advance games? Judging by the demo on the marketplace, not me. Who's picking Mace Griffin: Bounty Hunter over Goldeneye?
In the right hand amazing graphics make the game better, but the best graphics ever will not save the worst gameply ever. Simple as that.
 
[quote name='Demontooth']Because I'm not a fucking dork[/QUOTE]

Yet you're posting on a video game message board.

Not exactly the epitomy of coolness.

Unless you're Strell.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Yet you're posting on a video game message board.

Not exactly the epitomy of coolness.

Unless you're Strell.[/QUOTE]
the man speaks the truth
 
It's really about how you use what you have. IT's about giving your game an interesting visual style and look. You don't have to have a ton of power to make a great looking game.

WiiSports for instance is a blast. It wouldn't make the game any more fun if it looked photo-realistic. It probably would make it worse. I don't like the look of 'Table Tennis' on the 360 for instance. Those zombie robots scare me. I'd much rather look at the hilarious Miis. (Not to mention see my own Mii creations.) The Miis on the Wii have alot more expression to them which to me conveys reality better than pseudo photo-realism.
 
[quote name='Demontooth']Because I'm not a fucking dork[/QUOTE]


1st step is denial
 
[quote name='Yoohoo1231']Who's picking Mace Griffin: Bounty Hunter over Goldeneye? [/QUOTE]


Hmmm mace griffin that's quite a pick. How about....oh I don't know....Halo?
 
[quote name='furyk']I used to fight invisible ninjas outside with my Mighty Morphin Power Ranger powers. That ended, of course, when I sprained my leg last week :([/QUOTE]

Oh, you can still do it. Just pick up sticks and throw them at the ninja's, I hit them everytime when me and my 3 year old nephew fight invisible ninja's outside at least once a week (though, he claims I miss occasionally but he always hits, I think it's bs).
 
So what about graphics? I tend to play my GBA a lot because the games are enjoyable, and would rather play it than any next generation console (PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii). The game in my sig/avatar is one game I like better than anything next generation, so far. I don't see it as fanboyism to say graphics aren't important. IMO, gameplay > graphics.
 
[quote name='Strell']I dunno. Why do we eat steaks when we could live on grass and mud?[/quote]

So board games are grass and mud, and the Nintendo Wii is a steak? I dont really get that analogy... and when did we eat grass and mud?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']So board games are grass and mud, and the Nintendo Wii is a steak? I dont really get that analogy... and when did we eat grass and mud?[/QUOTE]

The point is that we could live on grass and mud if we absolutely had to, and your analogy that board games are equal to video games is like saying we don't need choice so long as we are satisfying the bare minimum.

You're supposing that we don't need the tech so long as we've got fertile minds, and that both give the same experience and - probably - comparable graphics.

Which is like Fry saying "but this is HDTV, it has better resolution than the real world."

Board games/imagination provide a wholly different and separate experience. This is why I will throw down on Munchkin whenever I get the chance, since that only comes a couple times a year.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']It really is.

To me, good graphics means I get immersed into a game alot easier, and that makes the whole experience alot more awesome.[/quote] I generally agree with this statement, yet with Twilight Princess I was just as immediately immersed in the game after getting over the controls. Graphics really didn't make a difference to me even though I know Gears of War is leaps beyond TP graphically.
 
fanboys are the worst part of videogaming theyre too closed minded to think outside of any system than the one they feel is the ultimate. and no matter how many times a game company or console company screws them over the take it willingly like a woman in an abusive relationship always thinking that things will change and that they really are loved.

the worst of all fanboys being nintendo fanboys......just thinkin about em makes my skin crawl. im an old school gamer i like games period i dont care who makes them or what system theyre on as long as the story is interesting, the controlls are tight and theres replayability.

truth be told the whole graphics arent important thing will only last as long as people are blinded by the wiimote. give it a year when the ps3 starts to crank out amazing looking games as will the ps3 and the wiitards will still just say well you dont have a wiimote. mind you it wasnt but a few years ago nintendo said online gaming wasnt important for consoles but they changed their tone on that.

but in gaming its not all about graphics you do want thing so improve in that area but without a story to drive those graphics youve got nothing.
 
Is it me or a lot of fanboy claim graphic is not important?

It's not a fanboy claim. That's why when people said that the PS2 games and not Graphics is why they didn't want an xbox, it was a valid argument.
 
[quote name='Strell']

Board games/imagination provide a wholly different and separate experience. This is why I will throw down on Munchkin whenever I get the chance, since that only comes a couple times a year.[/QUOTE]

im down to play some munchkin right now, i have all the expansions too, plus space muchkin 1&2 and a little chez geek. who wants to come over?
 
[quote name='lokizz'] it wasnt but a few years ago nintendo said online gaming wasnt important for consoles but they changed their tone on that.[/quote]
To be fair, I still think online gaming is not only not important, but it is a detriment to gaming and I've disagreed with all of Nintendo's decisions to move into that space.
 
[quote name='iheartmetal']im down to play some munchkin right now, i have all the expansions too, plus space muchkin 1&2 and a little chez geek. who wants to come over?[/QUOTE]

Oh hell yes.

I am going to Deux Ex Machinegun yo' ass.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']To be fair, I still think online gaming isnt important and I've disagreed with all of Nintendo's decisions to move into that space.[/QUOTE]

Yea, because games like Mario Kart and Smash Brothers are oh so much fun when none of your friends play them or have a desire to play them... it's real easy to get sick of the single player mode in Mario Kart.

I'm glad Nintendo is moving into the realm of online play so now I can see what makes their multiplayer games so great. This way, through online gaming, you can also play against the best of the best... even if my friends did play these games I guarantee they would suck at them, and hard.

Now I can finally enjoy the multiplayer aspect of games which is something I haven't been able to do in awhile.

Not to mention, with online gaming, I can find a game at any time I want, I don't have to schedule a time during the week when everyone can come over and play and hope nobody bails out. If I want to play Gears of War multiplayer at 3 am, awesome, I can.
 
There are no competitive grade online fighting games. They play completely different in person than online. Mortal Kombat, DOA, Street Fighter, anything. When you play online, the winner is going to be the one that abuses frame traps because even a miniscule amount of consistent lag makes them significantly harder to deal with.

Fighting games take an incredible amount of tweaking and balancing. Any development into the online space takes DIRECTLY from manpower that could be going into making the base game more sound. It is substantially more likely that Smash will be broken if there is an online component.
 
[quote name='lokizz']fanboys are the worst part of videogaming theyre too closed minded to think outside of any system than the one they feel is the ultimate. and no matter how many times a game company or console company screws them over the take it willingly like a woman in an abusive relationship always thinking that things will change and that they really are loved.

the worst of all fanboys being nintendo fanboys......just thinkin about em makes my skin crawl. im an old school gamer i like games period i dont care who makes them or what system theyre on as long as the story is interesting, the controlls are tight and theres replayability.

truth be told the whole graphics arent important thing will only last as long as people are blinded by the wiimote. give it a year when the ps3 starts to crank out amazing looking games as will the ps3 and the wiitards will still just say well you dont have a wiimote. mind you it wasnt but a few years ago nintendo said online gaming wasnt important for consoles but they changed their tone on that.

but in gaming its not all about graphics you do want thing so improve in that area but without a story to drive those graphics youve got nothing.[/quote]

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