Is it possible for the Republican budget to be any worse?

[quote name='elprincipe']Health care is indeed a privilege, not a right. How can it be your right to force someone else to provide care for you? That's ridiculous and symptomatic of the entitlement mentality that plagues us as a country (egged on by politicians who hit a populist note in this regard).[/QUOTE]

Remember this is the radical pro-lifer saying this.

If it's a few cells in a birth canal he's out there with the picket stick and fake blood. But as soon as pop out you're on your own. After all, it's what Jesus would have wanted.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'] How can it be your right to force someone else to provide care for you? .[/QUOTE]

I hate to break it to you sally but this already happens. How the hell do you think insurance works?
 
[quote name='Msut77']I really wish Rand wrote at a college reading level instead of 8th grade.

Then most of her current acolytes wouldn't have made it through her nonsense and then bother the rest of us.[/QUOTE]

"Two novels can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other involves orcs."
 
As I mentioned in that other thread recently, I got 70 pages into The Fountainhead and just couldn't keep up the farce. Roark seemed like a pretty cool dood but everyone else was terribly one dimensional. And it seemed I'd already been beaten over the head with her philosophy that early on, so what was I going to gain from another 630 pages of it?
 
[quote name='JolietJake'][quote name='bmulligan']We are. The government's job used to be to eliminate the possibility of me becoming in charge of everyone else. Now they want that monopoly to themselves. [/quote]That was supposed to be a joke but apparently it failed.[/quote]

It was sarcasm. It was aimed at all the Leftists here who's moral justification for power over other men is to further the common good.

Anyway, the government is involved in the lives of citizens to the extent that it needs to be. Despite your apparent affection for social darwinism, most people don't think that way. At least not the ones who care to devote more than 5 minutes of their time to think about it. One day when everyone is perfect like yourself and people always do the responsible thing with their money i'll say the government should butt out, but i don't count on that day coming during my lifetime.

I've said for a while that classes on financial responsibility should be required in schools, just so that people do learn to do the responsible thing. But i also know that human beings aren't perfect and there will always be a few people who screw up, but those people shouldn't be allowed to just fall to the wayside and end up homeless or otherwise in destitution. Thats no way for a supposedly enlightened society to treat it's people.

Government does not need to be involved in the lives of free people. In fact, the basis for our form of government was to keep government out of the affairs of free people.

I understand most people don't think that way, yet that is not a valid moral justification to enslave those don't believe in it. Those that DO think about it more than 5 minutes realize the harshness of reality and muster the fortitude to deal with it properly, like men. We don't need to sit around and blank out about our feelings, and how sorry we are for everyone including ourselves and try to figure out a plan to make sure everyone talks nice-nice and never gets a boo-boo. That's not thinking, it called denial of reality. You think it's compassion, but it is it's complete opposite.

Yes, we're not all perfect. Yes, we all want to be taken care of. In fact, as children, we all need some form of security. but when we become adult citizens, we need to be weaned and become responsible for our own successes as well as our failures. If we continue to be treated as children for our entire lives, we never grow up, and, consequently, are never able to provide our own survival in the wild. When children are not taught the consequences of their actions and given the ability to properly judge risk, they tend to engage in overly risky behavior. When such failures produce no ill effects, riskier behavior results. The absence of thinking is what necessitates this so-called "care".

Social Darwinists have a choice to help someone they find who is down and out. I probably know more charitable Social Darwinists than you know people. They give real help to people. They devote their time as well as their money to lift people from their own darkness. They offer real help, personal help, conditional help, - meaningful help. Most Leftists would rather enslave these successful Darwinists than be charitable with their own time and money.

Congratulations, by the way. You must be a recent graduate from the Leftist school of thought. You display the three pillars perfectly. First, deny reality and human nature. Second, propagate freedom as the root of evil. Third, promote slavery as progress and equality. You know them well, yet you don't fully understand them. Again, you think these steps arise from compassion. One day you may realize they come from the desire for power over other men. More than likely, though, you'll never come to that realization. By the way, I think I know one of your professors, his name is Murder.

Anyway, (complete with flippant hand gesture) you are the complete opposite of being part of the "Enlightenment" of society.
 
Congratulations, by the way. You must be a recent graduate from the Leftist school of thought. You display the three pillars perfectly. First, deny reality and human nature. Second, propagate freedom as the root of evil. Third, promote slavery as progress and equality. You know them well, yet you don't fully understand them. Again, you think these steps arise from compassion. One day you may realize they come from the desire for power over other men. More than likely, though, you'll never come to that realization. By the way, I think I know one of your professors, his name is Murder.

Things like this are a way for people like you to dismiss rational policy discussion. You attack the messenger as opposed to the message, and you attack it in a general strawman kind of way. It's disappointing.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Should people have a right to an attorney then? Isn't that forcing someone to perform a service? Symptomatic of the entitlement mentality?[/QUOTE]

Ah, good question. I would say to this that they aren't the same. You have the right to hire an attorney. Or the court will appoint one (employed by the court). No lawyer is forced to represent someone; they do so willingly.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Ah, good question. I would say to this that they aren't the same. You have the right to hire an attorney. Or the court will appoint one (employed by the court). No lawyer is forced to represent someone; they do so willingly.[/QUOTE]

In that sense I don't think that doctors would be forced to treat patients.
 
[quote name='camoor']Remember this is the radical pro-lifer saying this.

If it's a few cells in a birth canal he's out there with the picket stick and fake blood. But as soon as pop out you're on your own. After all, it's what Jesus would have wanted.[/QUOTE]

Well then you are going to have to insult me too, because the leeches and bums of society don't deserve to suck on someone else's tit.

Apparantly the entitlement fools of this topic and beyond don't comprehend foresight or economics. A society cannot exist forever with leeches taking money, eventually society collapses and the leeches don't have any abilities to do anything.

I do find it funny that the leftists in here have called me an idiot in the past while demanding that they suck on the governments tit. I've had major medical issues in the past, but I work my way to being able to take care of myself.

When I was 10-13, I was highly overweight. I lost 110 pounds by the time I was 15, which ended up destroying my gall bladder. For 11 years I had constant issues with viruses and infections, which ended up causing me to gain weight again. Not only that, but I also found I had a hormonal imbalance and I constantly lose tesosterone. So for about 2-3 years I had constant urinary tract infections.

I couldn't work at that time, and I could've given up and suck on the governments tit forever. But I'm sorry, but I don't believe in making others take care of me forever. Even with pain every day I ate right and excercised. I gave it my all every chance I could so that I could work again and not have someone else take care of me.

After 2-3 years I had lost 100 pounds. during the time period I also took time to learn things like Linux, study scientific things online, etc. Things had improved...

In March of 2006 though, I ended up going to the doctor with a large pain on my chest. They couldn't help me, sent me to the emergency room. It turned out I had a gall bladder full of puss, about to explode. They gave me a 30% chance of survival and wheeled me into the terminal ward, and gave me my own private room (They fully expected me to die). Early the next morning, I was being wheeled into surgery. The doctor said later that I only had 1-2 minutes before I would've died.

So I return home. I should be able to work again right? Nope. I ended up with a new issue: Turbinate Hypertrohpy. It wasn't until late 2008 that I found my issue online, and as such, I went for nearly 3 years without being able to sleep. I gained 100 pounds again, and when I had my surgery for it (Septoplasty and Bilateral submocous resection of inferior turbinates, not just turbinate surgery) in feb 09, I had 44% bodyfat.

So did I give up? Never. I applied and went back to college one month later and joined a gym. No matter how much it hurt, I was regaining my life. Little over a year later, I've lost 50 pounds, my heart level is excellent, no more high liver enzymes, my body age is 9 1/2 (I'm not lying, that's due to years of diet, excersice, no drinking or smoking). I am 30 years old, yet I don't have a single wrinkle, white hair or anything. I have more energy then anyone I know, including kids, and I'm regaining muscle fast. Those first gym visits were annoying as hell. I so wanted to give up but I DIDN'T.

Now I dunno what the hell bums who want to have people take care of them care for, but I have personal pride. I want to say that I can, and have, accomplished stuff, not that I waited my whole life for someone to save my ass (Which, if I had that ideal, I would be dead currently). I work my ass of to get straight a's, I work my ass to get buff and lose my stomach fully, and I work my ass off so that I don't have to depend on someone.
 
That sucks AdultLink, it looks like a lot of that could've been avoided with gall bladder removal towards the beginning there. The thing is pretty much useless anyway.

But I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make. If it's the standard "I tried and succeeded, therefore anyone who fails didn't try hard enough" then I think we've all heard it before.
 
There are only a couple ways to help recover from this economy...

1. Create manufacturing jobs, this will lead to more goods for export and in turn increase the value of the $, which helps our economy overall, for EVERYONE. Unfortunately, "creating" jobs with federal funding is kind of like trying to keep a glass of water full that has a hole in it. We're paying our own money to the government in taxes, in order so that we get jobs? HELLO!?!?!? It doesnt work....not in the long run. Eventually the pitcher you're using to fill the glass runs out! Especially since most of the programs being funded as stimules money are for services only, which do nothing to create long term jobs.

2. Reduce government spending. I know people complain that we can't cut spending because of teachers jobs etc blah blah blah......Look, the point is, our country, (I don't care if you're demo or repub), is spending more than it generates in taxes. Period. It's kind of like if we as individuals spend too much...what happens?

a. We start missing our payments
b. our credit score goes down
c. we are no longer able to afford what we need because we're spending all our money on interest.
d. and finally....when all else fails, bankruptcy

The same is virtually true for an entire nation. I would estimate we're somewhere around c right now. However, there is a lot of unnecessary spending that can be cut to help us push the right direction, these should be cut first. That huge deficit we have.....the rest of the world right now is our creditors...literally, and interest is being paid on that debt. Spending needs to STOP now, or we're doomed to face a more serious recession.
 
[quote name='SpazX']That sucks AdultLink, it looks like a lot of that could've been avoided with gall bladder removal towards the beginning there. The thing is pretty much useless anyway.

But I don't know exactly what point you're trying to make. If it's the standard "I tried and succeeded, therefore anyone who fails didn't try hard enough" then I think we've all heard it before.[/QUOTE]

Trying is what gives success. It's not success itself that makes you succeed, it's the fact that you tried. Trying and never giving up is what gives success.

And personally, I wouldn't really call my story a success (Except in avoiding death). You are right that removing the gall bladder early would've prevented alot.

My point is that people should try to be the best they can. They may fail yes, but saying you tried and failed is alot better then not trying at all and expecting somebody to help you.
 
[quote name='AdultLink']Trying is what gives success. It's not success itself that makes you succeed, it's the fact that you tried. Trying and never giving up is what gives success.

And personally, I wouldn't really call my story a success (Except in avoiding death). You are right that removing the gall bladder early would've prevented alot.

My point is that people should try to be the best they can. They may fail yes, but saying you tried and failed is alot better then not trying at all and expecting somebody to help you.[/QUOTE]

How about trying, failing, and then getting help?
 
[quote name='bmulligan']It was sarcasm. It was aimed at all the Leftists here who's moral justification for power over other men is to further the common good.



Government does not need to be involved in the lives of free people. In fact, the basis for our form of government was to keep government out of the affairs of free people.

I understand most people don't think that way, yet that is not a valid moral justification to enslave those don't believe in it. Those that DO think about it more than 5 minutes realize the harshness of reality and muster the fortitude to deal with it properly, like men.[/QUOTE]I stopped reading right there. That's all the insight into your mind i need. You can take your "be a man" attitude and peddle it elsewhere. It has no place in any rational discussion, it's nothing but some macho bullshit response to a serious issue. It's the John Wayne approach to society, and it just won't work.
 
I respect John Wayne's political ideology. According to "Wingnuts" by John Avlon, John Wayne once said (regarding JFK immediately following his election in 1960) "I didn't vote for him but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."

We'd certainly be better off if most conservatives thought that way now.
 
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