Is the DS going for the PSP's jugular?

stocker08 that is just your opinion most people think the DS is for little children. Sony is not making games for children Sony is focusing on games that adults like such as sports titles and action games such as Twisted Metal and Untold Legends. The DS does not even have any games that can compare with the N-Gage. Anyone who would buy Ridge Racer for DS is senile anyways.
 
I agree with the kid games at the moment. But remember Nintendo dominates handhelds. And the wonderswan if you saw some of the games for japan was just as good a system as psp with some great games from everyone including squareenix. But back to the point sales, and upcoming games and lagging sales mean DS is winning. Maybe in the future it will change. But if trends continue PSP is on it's way down.

Now not to completly back sony, GTA and some up coming psp exclusives could up the sales of it. But until then it's a moot point. And remember a port is a complete conversion of the original with no significant extras. For exaple NGaiden Black, and MGS subsistance are not ports. So if thats all to look forward to on psp, it's in trouble.

Name some eagerly anticipated psp games. I've already named quite a few games that are sure best sellers for ds. Name some for the psp. three or four.
 
It doesn't matter how much the DS out sells the PSP. The DS will never be as impressive as the PSP. But just because your PSP looks better then a DS doesn't mean that PSP fans should not worry. Nintendo is eventually going to come out the the next GBA and that hand held will compete with the PSP in every way shape and form. When that happens and it's nintendo's handheld that looks the best I wonder what all the PSP lovers will think of it.
 
[quote name='fire17']stocker08 that is just your opinion most people think the DS is for little children. Sony is not making games for children Sony is focusing on games that adults like such as sports titles and action games such as Twisted Metal and Untold Legends. The DS does not even have any games that can compare with the N-Gage. Anyone who would buy Ridge Racer for DS is senile anyways.[/QUOTE]

Againthat is YOUR OPINION that people think the DS is for small children.

Goldeneye: Rouge Agent
Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Age Of Empires
Guilty Gear Dust Strikers
Meteos
Prince Of Persia: Warrior Within
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory

Are those games for small children? I am not saying little kids can tplay them but there are action games and thinking games for DS also. Just because DS has many different types of games doesnt mean its intended for one age group.

Ape Escape: On the Loose
Daxter
Atv off road fury
Burnout Legends
Harry Potter
Hot Shots Golf
ALL THE SPORTS GAMES
Incredibles 2
Lemmings
Mega Man
Pac Man World
Sticky Balls???(WTF!!!)
Wipeout
X-Men

Are you trying to tell me that Sony isnt making any of these games for children??? Oh yea, thats right chidlren hate Harry Potter and the X-Men. Yep, these games were created for the adults ONLY!

So, i think i have proven my point that neither system is shooting solely for age group, you just think that because one system is a little more advanced and has a few more "Adult" games, that is is too complicating for little kids and that they should all stick to the DS becuase is is made for little kids. Sounds like someone is a PSP Fanboy.

"The DS does not even have any games that can compare with the N-Gage" That was one of the stupidest things i have ever heard. Oh wait, i guess this is why everyone is buying an N-Gage instead of a DS. Oh wait, YOUR mistake, other way around. Barely any1 owns an N-Gage, it is kind of a Half-Assed machine good for somethings but falls short on most things.

Mabey you should read up on things before you make a statement based on your own "wrong" opinions.
 
[quote name='j.elles']Man prequels don't count. Prequels don't do well. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, look at how the market just ignored Devil May Cry 3. And Metal Gear Solid 3, completely ignored by shoppers for the crime of being a prequel. Hey, isn't Yoshi's Island with baby Mario yet another blockbuster prequel?

Seriously, how many people are paying that close attention to reject a game on the basis of it being a prequel? I'd think the game's own merits would rank much higher for most shoppers looking at a new entry in a successful franchise. RE0 did about as well as it deserved on its own merits. It wasn't acclaimed and showered with praise as RE4 has been. That first quarter of sales is when the bulk of a game's earnings occur. After that sales begin to drop off, price cuts kick in or people buy cheaper used copies of the game. If you haven't cleared a million units in the market in question in that first quarter the progress towards that goal is going to be progressively slower and additional sales less profitable as price cuts are required to maintain movement. When Capcom announced they'd only just clear the 500K mark in the US, I was shocked. It was one thing for Viewtiful Joe to not catch on in the mainstream but another thing entirely for well regarded and established brand.
 
[quote name='dcfox']It's true that Capcom and Nintendo must be disappointed with the sales figure for RE4, but I don't think user base and market share are solely to blame. Looking at the link you posted, it seems like interest in the RE franchise might be waning. RE3 only sold about half of what the original did. Also it seems for the most part all franchises tend to decline in popularity/sales. It happened to MGS, Tomb Raider, DMC, Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, Tekken, Tony Hawk, Final Fantasy, Jak, etc . . .[/QUOTE]

Compare the reviews for RE3 and RE4. The former was generally given "good but not great" ratings while the latter's review were rapturous. RE3 didn't do all that much business because it didn't earn it. The same cannot be said for RE4. Franchise flourish so long as the company finds ways to keep them interesting. Mario Sunshine met with some disappointment not due the aging of the Mario franchise but failing to be as accessable as the previous big Mario platformer, Mario 64. That isn't to say Mario Sunshine was bad but only that its appeal was less universal. It could have co-existed with a true sequel to Mario 64 and done much more business between them.

As for those bringing up Wind Waker, it is a given that a Zelda entry is going to be exclusive to Nintendo's platform. If Zelda fans weren't going to buy a GameCube then things would truly be in a death spiral for Nintendo. Obviously they turned out for that exclusive franchise in large numbers. They did not however for a game which received the highest praise but has a franchise history indicating it will turn up eventually on platforms preferred by those who'd seen no previous reason to own a GameCube. Apparently the crossover between RE fans and Zelda fans isn't that deep.

I will eventually get the GC version of RE4 when it turns up for cheap. I expect the GC version will be the best experience but I'm an oddball who buys all of the platforms and can pick and choose. Most of the market is more conservative in the platform purchases but also spend more money per game than me, making them far more important to the console companies. Getting that machine in their house is the critical step. If they think they can get by with the leading platform it becomes terribly hard for the others to gain any ground. Nintendo hoped to make a difference with Capcom's properties but the payoff just hasn't happened. Sony has had their share of setbacks, too. Killzone was supposed to be the Halo killer but turned out visually impressive and otherwise awful, so it deservedly did little business. The main difference is that Sony is better positioned to absorb those disappointments.
 
[quote name='stocker08']
"The DS does not even have any games that can compare with the N-Gage" That was one of the stupidest things i have ever heard. Oh wait, i guess this is why everyone is buying an N-Gage instead of a DS. Oh wait, YOUR mistake, other way around. Barely any1 owns an N-Gage, it is kind of a Half-Assed machine good for somethings but falls short on most things..[/QUOTE]

Have you played an N-gage, or are just assuming from all the EGM and Gamepro you read? The N-Gage is actually apretty powerful handheld, and IS capable of emulating NES, SNES games, as well asplay Divx movies. Lets not mention the fact it is also an MP3 player, and has a larger selection of online games then the PSP. Please don't knock something if you don't even own it.
 
Sony could've crushed the DS from the get go if the PSP was lets say 180 at launch. They kinda shot themselves in the foot with the $250 "value pack"
 
[quote name='iheartmetal']psp or xbox 360, which would you pick this christmas[/QUOTE]

Neither. I don't want the PSP as its too pricey at this point, and I don't see much out for it that I'd care to own (or can't play on anything else for that matter). No XBox 360 simply for the fact that I tend to stay away from buying a system at launch time (overpriced, bugs, etc).
 
Devil May Cry 3, Yoshi's Island, and MGS 3 did all right on their own merits. But comparible to the previous entries were a disapointment. And RE4 has sold close to 2 million worldwide at this point, from what I saw in the last world sales figures. So it's doing fine especially for this time of year.

I don't think it will drop in price by the way, X-mas coming a new ps2 version coming like Ninja Gaiden this will stay high for a while I expect.

Sunshine was one of the things that killed the cube I agree. Sunshine, WindWaker, and Pikmin are what Made people think of the system as a kiddie console. If they had gone a different path with Zelda and Mario that, chances are wouldn't ahve happened. Mario 64 sold spectaculerly well so a true sequel to that are what people expected, and something like that Video they showed at E3 of Link fighting Ganon. When they didn't get what they expected and got a water canon and cel shading. Like magazines have said people got hostile towards them. In Mario's case it's proof in point it's the lowest selling Mario game ever.

RE4 is doing fine by all acounts. I just don't get your point. Name some other games that have done well post x-mas. Theres a few notibles to be sure. But none that sold 2-3 million in the early months of the year in the US alone.

On another note. If nintendo releases a good Mario game, a good Zelda game, if giest does well and turns into a franshize, and Metroid becomes more like Halo with some deeper voiced story, combined with online SSB Mario Kart etc. . . I think Nintendo could equel or maybe even beat Sony. A return to what sold well. Because if you look at the all time chart it's undeniably nintendo. And if you think about it they really haven't tapped that well very much. They keep alienating people with this new wierd original thinking stuff. I agree though chances are Nintendo will shoot themselves in the foot, but I for one hope otherwise.
 
[quote name='epobirs']Yeah, look at how the market just ignored Devil May Cry 3. And Metal Gear Solid 3, completely ignored by shoppers for the crime of being a prequel. Hey, isn't Yoshi's Island with baby Mario yet another blockbuster prequel?
[/QUOTE]

I'm not disagreeing with the point you are trying to make, but all of those games sold considerably less than the game that came before them. That includes Yoshi's Island (and yeah, i'm aware is a million seller in Japan).
 
[quote name='gizmogc']Have you played an N-gage, or are just assuming from all the EGM and Gamepro you read? The N-Gage is actually apretty powerful handheld, and IS capable of emulating NES, SNES games, as well asplay Divx movies. Lets not mention the fact it is also an MP3 player, and has a larger selection of online games then the PSP. Please don't knock something if you don't even own it.[/QUOTE]

ok, i guess i meant it doesnt compare when it comes to games. DS is strickly for gaming but the N-gage really kind of sucks when it comes to games made for it. I have played Ashen, SSX, and call of duty. To review the games, they all sucked. But i guess it was harsh to call the N-gage a piece of junk since i dont have one.
 
To date, the best game on the DS is Super Mario 64ds so it's safe to say that most new owners would've bought that game alongside there DS system. Hell, damn near everyone who owns a DS right now bought SMBds.

By packing it in for FREE it hopefully from Nintendo's point of view increase sales of "lesser" games.
 
I just take it as a sign that the DS sales are starting to slow up. They were intelligent, however, and Nintendogs will be a real system seller in August.
 
Nintendo is just handling their business as they always do.....Both systems will have huge success. I was on the fence about getting a PSP for a while but am so glad I finally bought one. The DS just didn't impress me that much, the PSP floored me. The PSP will be legend.

Still NES for life!
 
[quote name='crazytalkx']Sony could've crushed the DS from the get go if the PSP was lets say 180 at launch. They kinda shot themselves in the foot with the $250 "value pack"[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree with you there. The PSP's price is definitely hurting its sales thus far.

I don't understand the number of people who are arguing that the DS has no games that are enjoyable. Currently I own four DS games, none of which are Super Mario 64 DS. The DS also has a longer list of upcoming titles that pique my interests than the PSP. I'm certainly not knocking the PSP, I'd like to get one when the price drops, but I think that, at the moment, the DS's future looks brighter than the PSP. If the PSP had any games on the horizon which could turn my head, I'd have one on my shelf already. As it stands, though, there's nothing that has been announced that catches my eye.
 
[quote name='Rabid Mammal Wax']I'd consider buying a DS if it had one big large screen.

Whats the point of two screens? To save on touch-screen material?

Also the touch-screen idea is lame, I don't like it either.

In fact, I'd consider buying a DS if it were essentially a cheap, down-graded, PSP.

The majority of the games that come out on both PSP and DS look worse on the DS and come with superfluous things to touch. They're lame. The PSP has a removable battery so an upgraded one is sure to come, if not from Sony then from a third party.

I haven't bought a PSP yet, but I've played both the DS and PSP (my best friend has a DS and Metriod Prime Hunters is the suck) but I'm planning to. Of course my major concern is dead pixels and getting the sucker scratched.[/QUOTE]

The graphical difference should be obvious. The PSP is packing higher end graphics, it ought to look better. But given the success of the PS series, that shouldn't be the only, or apparently, even significant factor.

To each their own I suppose. I personally like the touch screen idea, though as implemented it has yet to capture me. Though that might change with Nintendogs, Trauma Center, and the Blue game (the shipwrecked on the island game). I also must concur that Pac Pix rocks, though it needs to be fleshed out.
 
[quote name='KingDox']It doesn't matter how much the DS out sells the PSP. The DS will never be as impressive as the PSP. But just because your PSP looks better then a DS doesn't mean that PSP fans should not worry. Nintendo is eventually going to come out the the next GBA and that hand held will compete with the PSP in every way shape and form. When that happens and it's nintendo's handheld that looks the best I wonder what all the PSP lovers will think of it.[/QUOTE]

Given gamer history and the handhelds N has killed with less impressive tech...you better believe that there should be some worry.
 
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