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demgurl (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:36 PM
Original message
What happens to us if the detention camps are real?
I have been nearly run off the road by a right winger. I have been told to leave the country right in front of my kids. I have been told not to send any more emails about this administration.
This government has been so private and they do not disclose very many things. They have made sure most of the world hates us all. What if they really are building detention camps? Most right wingers wish we did not exist and so many others have just drunk the koolaid. I think if these camps turn out to be real then we are on our own. The right won't hold protests or even miss us. Do you think they will overtake the guards and release us?
If these camps turn out to be real then we may be in big trouble.
EOO (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'm planning to flee to Mexico before that happens. The repukes can kiss my ass. The border is only an hour and a half drive from my house, and it's really easy to apply for dual citizenship.
Xenotime (437 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
34. I read where they were real.
I read on this site, "Washington is expected to introduce a military state that rivals the Nazis in cruelty. They are already building concentration camps in the US. They plan to take millions out."
Now I read this here. It has to be true.
ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
2. I look at it this way
Noorunisa Khan, daughter of the founder of my religous order, worked for the French Resistance during WWII. She had escaped to England and could have stayed safe, but she was determined to go and do what she could against Hitler and the Nazis. She was betrayed, captured, escaped, recaptured, tortured, and burned to death in Dachau. She did what she thought was right, and lived and died by her beliefs. Can I do any less?
bryant69 (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. Why would he consider us a threat?
I don't see this as very likely. Possible I suppose. But not likely.
demgurl (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. I guess because he hates the truth and dissent?
You would have to ask him his exact reasons but he has them and has openly expressed them with free speech zones and throwing people out of town hall meetings if they wear the wrong thing. Heck, as recent as last week Cindy Sheehan was thrown out of SOTU.
As I stated before, the thing is not what these huge (must be huge with the dollar amount they are paying) detention camps, in the US, will be used for. The question is why are they paying so much money and what government programs are they going to use it for.
I guess another point is whether something like this were ever to happen, would the right even try to do anything about it?
SillyGoose (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
4. If the camps are for us, we will have the mother of all DU meetups.
Seriously though, I don't like the idea that they're building these camps and the reasons they gave for doing it don't sound kosher to me. The RW talking heads have been standing on their heads lately trying to paint dems as being aligned with the terrorists and that really bugs the hell out of me in light of the revelation of the camps.
Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
5. The detention camps are real - it's how they will be used that is the question. I, for one, have little doubt that they will be used for political purposes. All liberals and leftists may not be rounded up, but enough will to make the message very clear - "Conform, Consume, Obey". There are no detention camps; and they are only used to house enemy combatants...
LoneDriver (79 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
6. I won't passively walk into the showers.
Take some with you on the way out.
Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:46 PM
Response to Original message
7. at least at the camp we can entertain ourselves by taunting the RW's who get swept up with us. You know there will be more than a few 'innocents' in there with us.
demgurl (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. You mean all those freepers who got their numbers up here?
Yes, that will be ironic. They will be clanging on the bars stating they are innocent and we will be the only ones responding to them stating that they have nothing to fear if they are innocent!
tom_paine (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
12. We are in big trouble
However, it may be possible that these camps won;t be used in that way until the last generations of Americans born in freedom die off.
Emperor George P. Bush, though, may use them for his Final Solution to the "Liberal Problem".
catmandu57 (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 01:06 PM
Response to Original message
15. If they are a for sure thing
Then passive resistance is out, better to die on ones feet than die on your knees. The next logical step would be to follow in adolphs path and come up with a final solution wouldn't it?
When they come for me I won't go quietly. What will be funny though is when they round up the brownshirts, those rah rah mfers.
BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. How far into Hitler's reign did he begin the 'Final Solution'?
I know it didn't start when Hitler first took power. I'm pretty sure that the rounding up of the Jews (and gypsies, homosexuals, and other 'undesirables') and placing them in concentration camps preceded the implementation of the actual final solution, but I'm not sure by how long.
Katherine Brengle (364 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
16. they are real, but their purpose is yet to be determined.
As far as we "know" the only "camps" being built in the United States are for illegal immigrants awaiting deportation.
Unfortunately, I agree that too many are ignoring what is going on and we need to be more inquisitive (as a nation) about things that smell so funky.
(492 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
20. At least I know I will have some good company in there
With friends like you guys in there with me. But first they have to catch me. Then they have to apprehend me. I'm small and wiry and they won't take me with out a fight. To hell with them.
Rocknrule (681 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 03:15 PM
Response to Original message
26. Are you kidding?
The RWers will be frothing at the mouth at the opportunity to throw us all in the gas chambers. Ann Coulter will probably be operating one of the crematoriums personally. Mark my words, they will be having orgasms at the thought of exterminating us.
LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Teach people to think of a group as "rats", "vermin", "traitors", "evil"
Exactly the way rightwingnuts do think of us, as one quick reading of FR clearly shows.
It's easy to exterminate "vermin", "filth", "traitors", "EVIL".
Ask the Germans & the Jews.
nk000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 05:18 PM
Response to Original message
33. What do you mean if they are real?
KBR got the contract to build them.
gurl000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. I guess I misspoke.
I meant what if they are real in the sense that they are meant for us instead of the stupid excuse that they are for immigration emergencies.
sje1000+ posts Feb-09-06 05:52 PM
Response to Original message
35. Is this thread for real?
gurl000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. I find your post mean spirited.
All that was missing was the eye rolling. If I think of something as important enough to spend my time posting, please do not put it down. You respect me and I will do the same for you.
This is a serious matter that has been coming up more and more in the news. If nothing else, I would think you would want to know why we are spending so much money on this and cutting good social programs that help the poor. Why is this program so much more important than student loans?
l Lisst000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:46 PM
Response to Original message
38. It's not a stretch at all to believe that Bush would use detention centers against those in America who actively oppose his next war.
He's planning on pushing us further into war, not less. He's planning on taking the war to Iran, as well, and from there, it's a short step to treating as criminals any who actively protest his new war.
Look at what he's done throughout his reign of error. Look at his actions to keep signs away from his motorcade, to keep any protesters from getting anywhere near him. Look at his misuse of the Patriot Act and the Sedition Act to attack mere criticism. Look at how he handled the protesters in NYC in 2004 at the Pub convention.
Look at the new "don't annoy me on the internet" law.
There isn't anything in the history of Bush and this administration to suggest the slightest degree of restraint. The opposite. He would love to declare martial law. He's already neutered the congress, and the Supreme Court is packed with flunkies.
We're in crisis already, and the worst is yet to come.
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nnox00+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:46 PM
Original message
ould turn into a Bushbot if they came for me {detention camps}
I know this isn't the most patriotic thing to do speaking as a loyal Democrat, but if these detention camps were real and they came for me I would all of a sudden turn into a first class Bush lover and say I have seen the light. Things like, "Oh Officer, I have decided Bush is not the worst president at all but one of the best and a shining example for future presidents!" or "Officer, I have reconsidered and now see it was wrong and un-American to be against Bush, now I will be a loyal good American and praise him every chance I get"
I understand this is not popular, but survival is my main goal in this scenario! Screw politics in this case. IMHO
manfl000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. Maybe we can get the country back and use those camps for Bushbots, Evangelical nutjobs and such.
P.S. you should be ashamed of yourself.
derheid000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. Thanks for saying what many of us are thinking.
layer000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
5. F*** that.
I'd rather die fighting than live on my knees.
tch000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
10. Will you also rat on your friends?
I am sure that would help your survival too.
nnox00+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. my best friend is a republican
latorloo000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:59 PM
Response to Original message
12. Why don't you start early so you can collect a big salary ala Limbag Coulter, Hannity and the other Bushbots. Surely they don't believe any of the BS they are spouting either, but at least they are rewarded w cash.
Then you could give it all to Dem causes etc.
eNakedLiberal000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
14. Like they're going to believe you!
You don't think that isn't the first thing people do? I think that would probably get you shot dead just because.
sr000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:03 PM
Response to Original message
15. Do you think that would make a difference? ROFLMA! They're going to put EVERYBODY there that can't work for them or kill for them, you gonna do that too?
arm000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:05 PM
Response to Original message
18. not me, i would never sell my soul or my nation..i would go with my head held high ..if you sell your soul , there is no reason to live
and i will not sell my nation to this fascism without a fight, nor my real American values
i will not sink to the level of evil or the fear they so cheaply propagandize ..to protect myself from their evil..
to many have fought for me to have my freedoms..if i can do so little to fight for what those before me fought for..than i do not deserve to live in this nation. It is my obligation to future generations, to fight..and if that means i get incarcerated fighting for the very values given to me as an American..then they will have to take me kicking , screaming , biting..and fighting my ass off..but i will fight so my children will be saved from these evil son of a bitches!
fly
ngEmOn000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:05 PM
Response to Original message
19. The right wing democrats will be the Kameradenpolizei....
herding the liberals and progressives onto cattle cars.
percent48 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #24
27. what would I do?
I hope I would fight courageously, but I will never know until put in that situation.
Fortunately, with the impending police state, there has already been many opportunities to practice defending yourself against over armed gestapo. UNF meetings in fla, the repub convention in nyc. plenty of free speech zones and excessive use of force and disregard for constitutional rights.
American Police in many large cities have already gotten alot of practice herding protesters like the Nazi's herded jews early on.
RocknruleThu Feb-09-06 07:36 PM
Response to Original message
25. If I had to force myself to say "Bush rules" or "I've changed, I've accepted W as my lord and saviour" or "Heil Bushler" or whatever, I'd choke on such words anyway
And now...... our feature presentation.
demgurl (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:36 PM
Original message
What happens to us if the detention camps are real?
I have been nearly run off the road by a right winger. I have been told to leave the country right in front of my kids. I have been told not to send any more emails about this administration.
This government has been so private and they do not disclose very many things. They have made sure most of the world hates us all. What if they really are building detention camps? Most right wingers wish we did not exist and so many others have just drunk the koolaid. I think if these camps turn out to be real then we are on our own. The right won't hold protests or even miss us. Do you think they will overtake the guards and release us?
If these camps turn out to be real then we may be in big trouble.
EOO (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'm planning to flee to Mexico before that happens. The repukes can kiss my ass. The border is only an hour and a half drive from my house, and it's really easy to apply for dual citizenship.
Xenotime (437 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
34. I read where they were real.
I read on this site, "Washington is expected to introduce a military state that rivals the Nazis in cruelty. They are already building concentration camps in the US. They plan to take millions out."
Now I read this here. It has to be true.
ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
2. I look at it this way
Noorunisa Khan, daughter of the founder of my religous order, worked for the French Resistance during WWII. She had escaped to England and could have stayed safe, but she was determined to go and do what she could against Hitler and the Nazis. She was betrayed, captured, escaped, recaptured, tortured, and burned to death in Dachau. She did what she thought was right, and lived and died by her beliefs. Can I do any less?
bryant69 (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. Why would he consider us a threat?
I don't see this as very likely. Possible I suppose. But not likely.
demgurl (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. I guess because he hates the truth and dissent?
You would have to ask him his exact reasons but he has them and has openly expressed them with free speech zones and throwing people out of town hall meetings if they wear the wrong thing. Heck, as recent as last week Cindy Sheehan was thrown out of SOTU.
As I stated before, the thing is not what these huge (must be huge with the dollar amount they are paying) detention camps, in the US, will be used for. The question is why are they paying so much money and what government programs are they going to use it for.
I guess another point is whether something like this were ever to happen, would the right even try to do anything about it?
SillyGoose (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:42 PM
Response to Original message
4. If the camps are for us, we will have the mother of all DU meetups.
Seriously though, I don't like the idea that they're building these camps and the reasons they gave for doing it don't sound kosher to me. The RW talking heads have been standing on their heads lately trying to paint dems as being aligned with the terrorists and that really bugs the hell out of me in light of the revelation of the camps.
Dhalgren (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
5. The detention camps are real - it's how they will be used that is the question. I, for one, have little doubt that they will be used for political purposes. All liberals and leftists may not be rounded up, but enough will to make the message very clear - "Conform, Consume, Obey". There are no detention camps; and they are only used to house enemy combatants...
LoneDriver (79 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
6. I won't passively walk into the showers.
Take some with you on the way out.
Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:46 PM
Response to Original message
7. at least at the camp we can entertain ourselves by taunting the RW's who get swept up with us. You know there will be more than a few 'innocents' in there with us.
demgurl (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. You mean all those freepers who got their numbers up here?
Yes, that will be ironic. They will be clanging on the bars stating they are innocent and we will be the only ones responding to them stating that they have nothing to fear if they are innocent!
tom_paine (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 12:58 PM
Response to Original message
12. We are in big trouble
However, it may be possible that these camps won;t be used in that way until the last generations of Americans born in freedom die off.
Emperor George P. Bush, though, may use them for his Final Solution to the "Liberal Problem".
catmandu57 (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 01:06 PM
Response to Original message
15. If they are a for sure thing
Then passive resistance is out, better to die on ones feet than die on your knees. The next logical step would be to follow in adolphs path and come up with a final solution wouldn't it?
When they come for me I won't go quietly. What will be funny though is when they round up the brownshirts, those rah rah mfers.
BushOut06 (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. How far into Hitler's reign did he begin the 'Final Solution'?
I know it didn't start when Hitler first took power. I'm pretty sure that the rounding up of the Jews (and gypsies, homosexuals, and other 'undesirables') and placing them in concentration camps preceded the implementation of the actual final solution, but I'm not sure by how long.
Katherine Brengle (364 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
16. they are real, but their purpose is yet to be determined.
As far as we "know" the only "camps" being built in the United States are for illegal immigrants awaiting deportation.
Unfortunately, I agree that too many are ignoring what is going on and we need to be more inquisitive (as a nation) about things that smell so funky.
(492 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 02:55 PM
Response to Original message
20. At least I know I will have some good company in there
With friends like you guys in there with me. But first they have to catch me. Then they have to apprehend me. I'm small and wiry and they won't take me with out a fight. To hell with them.
Rocknrule (681 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 03:15 PM
Response to Original message
26. Are you kidding?
The RWers will be frothing at the mouth at the opportunity to throw us all in the gas chambers. Ann Coulter will probably be operating one of the crematoriums personally. Mark my words, they will be having orgasms at the thought of exterminating us.
LynnTheDem (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. Teach people to think of a group as "rats", "vermin", "traitors", "evil"
Exactly the way rightwingnuts do think of us, as one quick reading of FR clearly shows.
It's easy to exterminate "vermin", "filth", "traitors", "EVIL".
Ask the Germans & the Jews.
nk000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 05:18 PM
Response to Original message
33. What do you mean if they are real?
KBR got the contract to build them.
gurl000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. I guess I misspoke.
I meant what if they are real in the sense that they are meant for us instead of the stupid excuse that they are for immigration emergencies.
sje1000+ posts Feb-09-06 05:52 PM
Response to Original message
35. Is this thread for real?
gurl000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. I find your post mean spirited.
All that was missing was the eye rolling. If I think of something as important enough to spend my time posting, please do not put it down. You respect me and I will do the same for you.
This is a serious matter that has been coming up more and more in the news. If nothing else, I would think you would want to know why we are spending so much money on this and cutting good social programs that help the poor. Why is this program so much more important than student loans?
l Lisst000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:46 PM
Response to Original message
38. It's not a stretch at all to believe that Bush would use detention centers against those in America who actively oppose his next war.
He's planning on pushing us further into war, not less. He's planning on taking the war to Iran, as well, and from there, it's a short step to treating as criminals any who actively protest his new war.
Look at what he's done throughout his reign of error. Look at his actions to keep signs away from his motorcade, to keep any protesters from getting anywhere near him. Look at his misuse of the Patriot Act and the Sedition Act to attack mere criticism. Look at how he handled the protesters in NYC in 2004 at the Pub convention.
Look at the new "don't annoy me on the internet" law.
There isn't anything in the history of Bush and this administration to suggest the slightest degree of restraint. The opposite. He would love to declare martial law. He's already neutered the congress, and the Supreme Court is packed with flunkies.
We're in crisis already, and the worst is yet to come.
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nnox00+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:46 PM
Original message
ould turn into a Bushbot if they came for me {detention camps}
I know this isn't the most patriotic thing to do speaking as a loyal Democrat, but if these detention camps were real and they came for me I would all of a sudden turn into a first class Bush lover and say I have seen the light. Things like, "Oh Officer, I have decided Bush is not the worst president at all but one of the best and a shining example for future presidents!" or "Officer, I have reconsidered and now see it was wrong and un-American to be against Bush, now I will be a loyal good American and praise him every chance I get"
I understand this is not popular, but survival is my main goal in this scenario! Screw politics in this case. IMHO
manfl000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. Maybe we can get the country back and use those camps for Bushbots, Evangelical nutjobs and such.
P.S. you should be ashamed of yourself.
derheid000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. Thanks for saying what many of us are thinking.
layer000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
5. F*** that.
I'd rather die fighting than live on my knees.
tch000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
10. Will you also rat on your friends?
I am sure that would help your survival too.
nnox00+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. my best friend is a republican
latorloo000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 06:59 PM
Response to Original message
12. Why don't you start early so you can collect a big salary ala Limbag Coulter, Hannity and the other Bushbots. Surely they don't believe any of the BS they are spouting either, but at least they are rewarded w cash.
Then you could give it all to Dem causes etc.
eNakedLiberal000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:01 PM
Response to Original message
14. Like they're going to believe you!
You don't think that isn't the first thing people do? I think that would probably get you shot dead just because.
sr000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:03 PM
Response to Original message
15. Do you think that would make a difference? ROFLMA! They're going to put EVERYBODY there that can't work for them or kill for them, you gonna do that too?
arm000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:05 PM
Response to Original message
18. not me, i would never sell my soul or my nation..i would go with my head held high ..if you sell your soul , there is no reason to live
and i will not sell my nation to this fascism without a fight, nor my real American values
i will not sink to the level of evil or the fear they so cheaply propagandize ..to protect myself from their evil..
to many have fought for me to have my freedoms..if i can do so little to fight for what those before me fought for..than i do not deserve to live in this nation. It is my obligation to future generations, to fight..and if that means i get incarcerated fighting for the very values given to me as an American..then they will have to take me kicking , screaming , biting..and fighting my ass off..but i will fight so my children will be saved from these evil son of a bitches!
fly
ngEmOn000+ posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:05 PM
Response to Original message
19. The right wing democrats will be the Kameradenpolizei....
herding the liberals and progressives onto cattle cars.
percent48 posts) Thu Feb-09-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #24
27. what would I do?
I hope I would fight courageously, but I will never know until put in that situation.
Fortunately, with the impending police state, there has already been many opportunities to practice defending yourself against over armed gestapo. UNF meetings in fla, the repub convention in nyc. plenty of free speech zones and excessive use of force and disregard for constitutional rights.
American Police in many large cities have already gotten alot of practice herding protesters like the Nazi's herded jews early on.
RocknruleThu Feb-09-06 07:36 PM
Response to Original message
25. If I had to force myself to say "Bush rules" or "I've changed, I've accepted W as my lord and saviour" or "Heil Bushler" or whatever, I'd choke on such words anyway
