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well PS1 was the most popular for the past generation gaming same for PS2 as of now selling the most systems, how well will PS3 do that is the question.
IYO will PS3 dominate?
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SneakyPenguin
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i think it will still sell best, but i still think nintendos system will have the best games.
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I think the next generation will be a new ball game. Microsoft doesn't look like they're about to lay down while Sony sells millions. I think it will be a lot closer this time around.
[quote name='sighlintbob']I think the next generation will be a new ball game. Microsoft doesn't look like they're about to lay down while Sony sells millions. I think it will be a lot closer this time around.[/quote]
Absolutely. the world has seen the power of X. and its microsoft! They will rule over all. I mean if GTA came to the xbox..........
Absolutely. the world has seen the power of X. and its microsoft! They will rule over all. I mean if GTA came to the xbox..........
i think its still essentially still the same dilemma. the developers think the ps3 will sell the best, so they'll put their best games on it. the gamers think the ps3 will follow in the ps2's footsteps. as good as the other consoles are, i don't see either microsoft or nintendo breaking sony's dominance yet...although i do see there being many more multi-console homes.
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Dominate? When it's all said and done they'll have to invent a whole new word just to desribe it!
Face facts PS3 could have *NO* launch titles, scratch that, no *GAMES* for the first year and it'll still move twice as many units than PS2 has in it's entire lifetime. At this point the only thing that matters is the name, everything else is secondary
Face facts PS3 could have *NO* launch titles, scratch that, no *GAMES* for the first year and it'll still move twice as many units than PS2 has in it's entire lifetime. At this point the only thing that matters is the name, everything else is secondary
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[quote name='-Never4ever-']Dominate? When it's all said and done they'll have to invent a whole new word just to desribe it!
Face facts PS3 could have *NO* launch titles, scratch that, no *GAMES* for the first year and it'll still move twice as many units than PS2 has in it's entire lifetime. At this point the only thing that matters is the name, everything else is secondary[/quote]
Nintendo thought the same thing. Look what that got them.
Face facts PS3 could have *NO* launch titles, scratch that, no *GAMES* for the first year and it'll still move twice as many units than PS2 has in it's entire lifetime. At this point the only thing that matters is the name, everything else is secondary
[/quote]Nintendo thought the same thing. Look what that got them.
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I think that Nintendo will come back and dominate. they have everything set up with third parties this time and if they launch with a mario and a zelda game, watch out!!!!
The only reason I think this, is because Sony is going to push connectivity with a unit that has a much higher retail cost(PSP), and MS is going to continue to have online as its major focus.Sony has lost EA for its exclusive online deal meaning that their stranglehold on the casual gamer is coming to an end. The playing field is leveled as MS already stated that thier system will not be as costly as it was this time(meaning the loss of many of its technological advantages). MS also does not have the master chief leading the pack at launch(I really think someone up at MS should have made people wait and have it as their launch title, Halo online would have been sufficient for Live as a pack in, but they blew that)
The only reason I think this, is because Sony is going to push connectivity with a unit that has a much higher retail cost(PSP), and MS is going to continue to have online as its major focus.Sony has lost EA for its exclusive online deal meaning that their stranglehold on the casual gamer is coming to an end. The playing field is leveled as MS already stated that thier system will not be as costly as it was this time(meaning the loss of many of its technological advantages). MS also does not have the master chief leading the pack at launch(I really think someone up at MS should have made people wait and have it as their launch title, Halo online would have been sufficient for Live as a pack in, but they blew that)
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There's no way Nintendo will lead the pack again. They have lost the two driving forces that made them the big dog back in the 8-bit and 16-bit eras. It's been downhill ever since.
I expect Nintendo's next hardware offering to be their swan song, outside of portables.
Go read Game Over. It seems like pure Big N propoganda at parts, but compare their business model and philosophy from back then to what they do now. Huge difference.
I expect Nintendo's next hardware offering to be their swan song, outside of portables.
Go read Game Over. It seems like pure Big N propoganda at parts, but compare their business model and philosophy from back then to what they do now. Huge difference.
I agree that Nintendo is at no position to jump back up. Third parties don't give Nintendo the credibility, and the big N gets left out on a lot of huge titles (such as GTA and the tradition Final Fantasy games). That's what consumers want. Plus, Nintendo lost the brand name recognition. It still comes down to the fact that when a parent goes shopping for their kids' holiday/birthday gifts, they'll see a Sony Playstation and say "Oh, I know Playstation, that's been the big thing for like 10 years now. And Sony alawys makes good products. I'll buy this one."
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I have a feeling that this time around, all three will be pretty close in market share. Although, PS3 does have unparalleled brand recognition. I really wish Nintendo could fix themselves up just a little bit... their whole connectivity concept is getting them very far, and as far as game innovation... DD was just MK64 Advance, etc. I'm rooting for Nintendo and Microsoft this time around. But I still believe Sony will win!
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people think too much of brand recognition. Any company that has ever dominated the market was someone new on the market or somewhat new( a la SEGA and the Genesis). No one has held control for longer than 2 generations in the console market (GB aside)
Well, you could have said that about the PS2. Before the PS2 came out, nobody held control of the market for more than one generation. Sony, for better or worse, changed the mass market view on video games. I'm not saying MS and Nintendo won't put up a fight, but I don't think either of the underdogs will come out on top.
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I agree with casey...You people and your recognition. I mean...You say the parents go in and say "Oh, I know Playstation, that's been the big thing for like 10 years now. And Sony alawys makes good products. I'll buy this one."...Umm I dont think many parents keep track of gaming systems or companies unless they game themselves...My mom calls my n64 an xbox...Parents usually buy what kids ask for...not what they know...Anyways I think Nintendo is heading in the right direction, they had some really solid and unique games: Pikmin,Viewtiful Joe,Wind Waker (every one laughed at the cel shading buy you have to admit it was a hell of a zelda game),Metroid Prime (although the auto aim got on my nerves),Luigis Mansion, and many others...I mean some may be "wierd" but they were unique and never been done...I believe its a good direction to go in...Sony IMO is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Im gunna stick with Microsoft for Online and Nintendo for solid unique gaming experience...Sony will have to do alot for me to throw down some benjamins...And no GT5 wont cut it...and I see GTA Microsoft exclusive when the contract with Sony is up...GOOD BYE SONY!
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[quote name='karmapolice620']Sony IMO is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again.[/quote]
Think you meant to say Nintendo instead of Sony.
NO ONE and I mean no one can beat Nintendo for rehashing the same old shit over and over. Case in point: They are selling Excitebike on the GBA for $20. And that's after it came out as an e-Reader card as well.
Think you meant to say Nintendo instead of Sony.
NO ONE and I mean no one can beat Nintendo for rehashing the same old shit over and over. Case in point: They are selling Excitebike on the GBA for $20. And that's after it came out as an e-Reader card as well.
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[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='karmapolice620']Sony IMO is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again.[/quote]
Think you meant to say Nintendo instead of Sony.
NO ONE and I mean no one can beat Nintendo for rehashing the same old shit over and over. Case in point: They are selling Excitebike on the GBA for $20. And that's after it came out as an e-Reader card as well.[/quote]
and im gonna be one of the dumb
s to buy it.
Think you meant to say Nintendo instead of Sony.
NO ONE and I mean no one can beat Nintendo for rehashing the same old shit over and over. Case in point: They are selling Excitebike on the GBA for $20. And that's after it came out as an e-Reader card as well.[/quote]
and im gonna be one of the dumb
s to buy it.
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[quote name='PsyClerk'][quote name='karmapolice620']Sony IMO is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again.[/quote]
Think you meant to say Nintendo instead of Sony.
NO ONE and I mean no one can beat Nintendo for rehashing the same old shit over and over. Case in point: They are selling Excitebike on the GBA for $20. And that's after it came out as an e-Reader card as well.[/quote]
yea but you do not see a new MArio every year. Rachet and Clank, Spyro, Crash, and Jak and Daxter all saw sequels turned out quicker than anything Nintendo does.
SONY built its empire on the sequel
Think you meant to say Nintendo instead of Sony.
NO ONE and I mean no one can beat Nintendo for rehashing the same old shit over and over. Case in point: They are selling Excitebike on the GBA for $20. And that's after it came out as an e-Reader card as well.[/quote]
yea but you do not see a new MArio every year. Rachet and Clank, Spyro, Crash, and Jak and Daxter all saw sequels turned out quicker than anything Nintendo does.
SONY built its empire on the sequel
I tend to agree with the people who say Sony will stay on top in the next generation, but I think Microsoft will gain some ground. I kind of see it as a two horse race, with Nintendo falling even further behind. Don't get me wrong- I'm not rooting for that. I'd love nothing more than to see a tight three-way race for the top, because that kind of competition can only be good for the quality of games that come out for each system.
It just seems that Nintendo still think they're the industry leader and can do whatever the hell they want. The N64 was cartridge-based, when that era was clearly over. The GC uses those mini-discs while PS2 and XBox can both play DVDs. To me, those things signal an arrogance that is no longer justified. I'm not bashing their games, or the GC, just their business practices. They preach "quality over quantity", but Sony has both. (I don't have an XBox, so can't speak on their games quality)
I don't see any of that changing in the next generation. The PS3 will lead the way because most PS2 owners will also be PS3 owners. Microsoft seems to "get it" more than Nintendo, so they'll gain some ground, while Nintendo loses more ground. I hope I'm wrong about the big N, but I don't think I am.
It just seems that Nintendo still think they're the industry leader and can do whatever the hell they want. The N64 was cartridge-based, when that era was clearly over. The GC uses those mini-discs while PS2 and XBox can both play DVDs. To me, those things signal an arrogance that is no longer justified. I'm not bashing their games, or the GC, just their business practices. They preach "quality over quantity", but Sony has both. (I don't have an XBox, so can't speak on their games quality)
I don't see any of that changing in the next generation. The PS3 will lead the way because most PS2 owners will also be PS3 owners. Microsoft seems to "get it" more than Nintendo, so they'll gain some ground, while Nintendo loses more ground. I hope I'm wrong about the big N, but I don't think I am.
Personally, I think the new generation will be a lot more fierce.
I'm sure all 3 will be working their tails off to gain some ground, especially Nintendo, after losing a lot in "the first round".
Don't forget that ApeXtreme and all that jazz will be out too!
I'm sure all 3 will be working their tails off to gain some ground, especially Nintendo, after losing a lot in "the first round".
Don't forget that ApeXtreme and all that jazz will be out too!
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yea but you do not see a new MArio every year. Rachet and Clank, Spyro, Crash, and Jak and Daxter all saw sequels turned out quicker than anything Nintendo does.
SONY built its empire on the sequel[/quote]
I would agree with this sentiment. But in the cases of R&C and J&D, those quick sequels were still very good games. We'll have to wait and see if that holds true for the Part 3's later this year.
yea but you do not see a new MArio every year. Rachet and Clank, Spyro, Crash, and Jak and Daxter all saw sequels turned out quicker than anything Nintendo does.
SONY built its empire on the sequel[/quote]
I would agree with this sentiment. But in the cases of R&C and J&D, those quick sequels were still very good games. We'll have to wait and see if that holds true for the Part 3's later this year.
[quote name='CaseyRyback']yea but you do not see a new MArio every year. Rachet and Clank, Spyro, Crash, and Jak and Daxter all saw sequels turned out quicker than anything Nintendo does.
SONY built its empire on the sequel[/quote]
True that these games all saw sequels coming out fast, but they certainly don't seem to be games that will be selling Sony consoles for generations to come. The Jak games came out fast and furious - but the third will be the last. I didn't know Spyro was a running series anymore either.
Think about it, though. Did anyone say "I want to buy a PlayStation2 for the new Crash Bandicoot game"? Whereas I'm sure there were a lot of people who purchased a gamecube for the next installment of Mario/Zelda/Metroid. Look at what Nintendo's big games of 2004 are shaping up to be: Metroid Prime 2, Wind Waker 2, Paper Mario 2. Not to say Sony's big titles aren't a slew of sequels as well, but this has been Nintendo's powerful, crowd drawing lineup for three generations of hardware now.
SONY built its empire on the sequel[/quote]
True that these games all saw sequels coming out fast, but they certainly don't seem to be games that will be selling Sony consoles for generations to come. The Jak games came out fast and furious - but the third will be the last. I didn't know Spyro was a running series anymore either.
Think about it, though. Did anyone say "I want to buy a PlayStation2 for the new Crash Bandicoot game"? Whereas I'm sure there were a lot of people who purchased a gamecube for the next installment of Mario/Zelda/Metroid. Look at what Nintendo's big games of 2004 are shaping up to be: Metroid Prime 2, Wind Waker 2, Paper Mario 2. Not to say Sony's big titles aren't a slew of sequels as well, but this has been Nintendo's powerful, crowd drawing lineup for three generations of hardware now.
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i really wanna c nintendo succeed, they really got shot down this generation b/c they have no online games, and the connectivity thing just didnt work too well. also a huge lack of sports game only helped to bring them down even more.
ps3 imo will probally again dominate though. b/c it already has the largest fan base, and theres no reason right now for those fans to choose another system. developers know that sony has been leading the console market for years now so they probally will continue to pay more attention to ps3.
as far as ms goes, i really hate the system. i used to b one of those fan boys that only thought xbox games were the best. everything else suked cause it had lesser graphics, etc. until i finally realized the sad truth, xbox has only a few spare good games and most others are sad ports. ofcourse that was last year and since then they have come out with a few good games but nothing that changes my mind about the system. i just hate the sytem b/c i wasted so much money on it without much return. and if they want to go far in this buisness theyll have to concentrate more on software next time around then hardware.
if i had to put what positions imo the companies would hold in the next gen however it would have to b, 1. sony 2. nintendo 3. msft.
ps3 imo will probally again dominate though. b/c it already has the largest fan base, and theres no reason right now for those fans to choose another system. developers know that sony has been leading the console market for years now so they probally will continue to pay more attention to ps3.
as far as ms goes, i really hate the system. i used to b one of those fan boys that only thought xbox games were the best. everything else suked cause it had lesser graphics, etc. until i finally realized the sad truth, xbox has only a few spare good games and most others are sad ports. ofcourse that was last year and since then they have come out with a few good games but nothing that changes my mind about the system. i just hate the sytem b/c i wasted so much money on it without much return. and if they want to go far in this buisness theyll have to concentrate more on software next time around then hardware.
if i had to put what positions imo the companies would hold in the next gen however it would have to b, 1. sony 2. nintendo 3. msft.
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well, im still hoping for a suprise announcement from sega at e3 saying they are developing a console.
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All I know is Nintendo will be the last ones to get my money, if they even get it at all. The only series I've been happy with this generation is the Metroid series. Yes, I believe wind waker sucks and its NOT because of the graphics. Sure, I dont like the cell shaded look but if the game was any good I could have overlooked the graphics.
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Another Dreamcast would be amazing...I was really sad to see sega flop and go to a third party...If another DC came out I believe they would be on top...No one can mess with SEGA quality
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Who's to say how Nintendo will do? We have no idea what they have in store...if they throw in the internet support that everyone keeps saying they need, maybe they'll come out ahead.
Only time will tell...
Only time will tell...
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WOW...an online Metroid...kick A$$!...What about Mario Party Online?
Sony had a clear advantage when the PS2 came out. But now Resident Evil(main series) is Nintendo Exclusive(Resident Evil 0, and 1 remake are sweet.). And all three sysdtems will no doubt come out at the same time this time around. Plus Sony put all that confidence in the PSX and look where that went, they've already stopped productuin due to lagging sales. I don't know if Nintendo launches with some or all of the following- Mario, Realistic Zelda, Resident Evil 4 or 5, A Kart game, Soul Calibur 3 with Link, Metroid game,A real Pokemon RPG, maybe a revitilized Donky Cong, Nintendo is going to make a killing. Sony has some good games but with Goldeneye 2 coming out and Viewtifull Joe as well on the horizon as new franshises that have Gamecube releases I think this New Generation will have no clear leader, and if it does it will be Nintendo.
No offence to all of you Sony Fanboys, but the three exclusives, Final Fantasy, GTA, and Metal Gear coming to an end soon Sony's time in the limelight is over.
No offence to all of you Sony Fanboys, but the three exclusives, Final Fantasy, GTA, and Metal Gear coming to an end soon Sony's time in the limelight is over.
[quote name='Danimal'][quote name='CaseyRyback']
yea but you do not see a new MArio every year. Rachet and Clank, Spyro, Crash, and Jak and Daxter all saw sequels turned out quicker than anything Nintendo does.
SONY built its empire on the sequel[/quote]
I would agree with this sentiment. But in the cases of R&C and J&D, those quick sequels were still very good games. We'll have to wait and see if that holds true for the Part 3's later this year.[/quote]
Nintendo can't make games as fast even with the help of companies like retro and sega. I think games like mario kart, wave race, and fzero could work as a biyearly game. How many of you would buy a new mario kart with some more tracks and stuff every couple years with minimal changes. If you bought the mario kart for gamecube you already admited you would.
yea but you do not see a new MArio every year. Rachet and Clank, Spyro, Crash, and Jak and Daxter all saw sequels turned out quicker than anything Nintendo does.
SONY built its empire on the sequel[/quote]
I would agree with this sentiment. But in the cases of R&C and J&D, those quick sequels were still very good games. We'll have to wait and see if that holds true for the Part 3's later this year.[/quote]
Nintendo can't make games as fast even with the help of companies like retro and sega. I think games like mario kart, wave race, and fzero could work as a biyearly game. How many of you would buy a new mario kart with some more tracks and stuff every couple years with minimal changes. If you bought the mario kart for gamecube you already admited you would.
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Fzero had a MAJOR change...Like the story mode...I admit Mario Kart could have been alot better...But quality over quantity...I think 1/2 or 2/3 of PS2 games are total crap...and some of the best are VERY rare...Most of GC first party and games not on other consoles are quality...Xbox is kinda wierd...some are GREAT and others dont even deserve to see the light of day...
*edt* this is the post to make me a veteran... :lol:
*edt* this is the post to make me a veteran... :lol:
i think the xbox is gonna come out on top. One reason is xbox live, it is the best online gaming service hands down. Secondly someone else had mentioned that some of sonys biggest licenses will expire soon. I think online gaming is going to help microsoft a lot. If its backward compatible, which i hear might not happen, theres no way sony or big N can match microsoft. Just my opinion.
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Hmmm, if Microsoft can just get a repetitive sports game that is $50 ever year, then get some game that is just violence, then sell those games to all the non-hardcore gamers, then they'll sell millions, that's what Sony did, right?
[quote name='XboxMaster']Hmmm, if Microsoft can just get a repetitive sports game that is $50 ever year, then get some game that is just violence, then sell those games to all the non-hardcore gamers, then they'll sell millions, that's what Sony did, right?[/quote]
yeah, xbox dosent have sports games (sega sports!!!!!!) or any game with violence that people call the greatest game ever (hey, everyone should check out this sleeper hit i found, its called halo...)
xbox master i dont get you, sometimes u make really good points and sometimes u just post fanboy bullshit
yeah, xbox dosent have sports games (sega sports!!!!!!) or any game with violence that people call the greatest game ever (hey, everyone should check out this sleeper hit i found, its called halo...)
xbox master i dont get you, sometimes u make really good points and sometimes u just post fanboy bullshit
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[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='XboxMaster']Hmmm, if Microsoft can just get a repetitive sports game that is $50 ever year, then get some game that is just violence, then sell those games to all the non-hardcore gamers, then they'll sell millions, that's what Sony did, right?[/quote]
yeah, xbox dosent have sports games (sega sports!!!!!!) or any game with violence that people call the greatest game ever (hey, everyone should check out this sleeper hit i found, its called halo...)
xbox master i dont get you, sometimes u make really good points and sometimes u just post fanboy bullshit[/quote]
Yes, that was straight fanboy talk out of my ass. But really, PS2 sold mostly to the non-hardcore gamer, unlike Xbox. I mean, when Xbox came out and ppl were still upgrading from their PS1 or N64 to a next-gen console, they didn't even think twice about not getting a PS2. It was like, "What the hell is an Xbox?". Which I will admit, I thought the same, I was all about getting the Gamecube, boy, am I glad I didn't. Madden and GTA just made it worse. And when you said Halo, I meant a game that got most of its flavor from raunchy humor and extreme violence.
I hope the above statement redeemed myself in your eyes, because I currently have alot more ppl that seem to dislike me than like me.
yeah, xbox dosent have sports games (sega sports!!!!!!) or any game with violence that people call the greatest game ever (hey, everyone should check out this sleeper hit i found, its called halo...)
xbox master i dont get you, sometimes u make really good points and sometimes u just post fanboy bullshit[/quote]
Yes, that was straight fanboy talk out of my ass. But really, PS2 sold mostly to the non-hardcore gamer, unlike Xbox. I mean, when Xbox came out and ppl were still upgrading from their PS1 or N64 to a next-gen console, they didn't even think twice about not getting a PS2. It was like, "What the hell is an Xbox?". Which I will admit, I thought the same, I was all about getting the Gamecube, boy, am I glad I didn't. Madden and GTA just made it worse. And when you said Halo, I meant a game that got most of its flavor from raunchy humor and extreme violence.
I hope the above statement redeemed myself in your eyes, because I currently have alot more ppl that seem to dislike me than like me.
[quote name='XboxMaster'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='XboxMaster']Hmmm, if Microsoft can just get a repetitive sports game that is $50 ever year, then get some game that is just violence, then sell those games to all the non-hardcore gamers, then they'll sell millions, that's what Sony did, right?[/quote]
yeah, xbox dosent have sports games (sega sports!!!!!!) or any game with violence that people call the greatest game ever (hey, everyone should check out this sleeper hit i found, its called halo...)
xbox master i dont get you, sometimes u make really good points and sometimes u just post fanboy bullshit[/quote]
Yes, that was straight fanboy talk out of my ass. But really, PS2 sold mostly to the non-hardcore gamer, unlike Xbox. I mean, when Xbox came out and ppl were still upgrading from their PS1 or N64 to a next-gen console, they didn't even think twice about not getting a PS2. It was like, "What the hell is an Xbox?". Which I will admit, I thought the same, I was all about getting the Gamecube, boy, am I glad I didn't. Madden and GTA just made it worse. And when you said Halo, I meant a game that got most of its flavor from raunchy humor and extreme violence.
I hope the above statement redeemed myself in your eyes, because I currently have alot more ppl that seem to dislike me than like me.[/quote]
you cant judge a system by 2 games, popular or not, especially when both the games are multiplatform lol
yeah, xbox dosent have sports games (sega sports!!!!!!) or any game with violence that people call the greatest game ever (hey, everyone should check out this sleeper hit i found, its called halo...)
xbox master i dont get you, sometimes u make really good points and sometimes u just post fanboy bullshit[/quote]
Yes, that was straight fanboy talk out of my ass. But really, PS2 sold mostly to the non-hardcore gamer, unlike Xbox. I mean, when Xbox came out and ppl were still upgrading from their PS1 or N64 to a next-gen console, they didn't even think twice about not getting a PS2. It was like, "What the hell is an Xbox?". Which I will admit, I thought the same, I was all about getting the Gamecube, boy, am I glad I didn't. Madden and GTA just made it worse. And when you said Halo, I meant a game that got most of its flavor from raunchy humor and extreme violence.
I hope the above statement redeemed myself in your eyes, because I currently have alot more ppl that seem to dislike me than like me.[/quote]
you cant judge a system by 2 games, popular or not, especially when both the games are multiplatform lol
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[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='XboxMaster'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='XboxMaster']Hmmm, if Microsoft can just get a repetitive sports game that is $50 ever year, then get some game that is just violence, then sell those games to all the non-hardcore gamers, then they'll sell millions, that's what Sony did, right?[/quote]
yeah, xbox dosent have sports games (sega sports!!!!!!) or any game with violence that people call the greatest game ever (hey, everyone should check out this sleeper hit i found, its called halo...)
xbox master i dont get you, sometimes u make really good points and sometimes u just post fanboy bullshit[/quote]
Yes, that was straight fanboy talk out of my ass. But really, PS2 sold mostly to the non-hardcore gamer, unlike Xbox. I mean, when Xbox came out and ppl were still upgrading from their PS1 or N64 to a next-gen console, they didn't even think twice about not getting a PS2. It was like, "What the hell is an Xbox?". Which I will admit, I thought the same, I was all about getting the Gamecube, boy, am I glad I didn't. Madden and GTA just made it worse. And when you said Halo, I meant a game that got most of its flavor from raunchy humor and extreme violence.
I hope the above statement redeemed myself in your eyes, because I currently have alot more ppl that seem to dislike me than like me.[/quote]
you cant judge a system by 2 games, popular or not, especially when both the games are multiplatform lol[/quote]
Well, GTA hasn't been multiplatform for long. And I don't know why, but whenever I see someone buy Madden at a store, they ALWAYS buy the PS2 version. I guess it's just my luck, but I've never seen a Madden for Xbox being bought.
yeah, xbox dosent have sports games (sega sports!!!!!!) or any game with violence that people call the greatest game ever (hey, everyone should check out this sleeper hit i found, its called halo...)
xbox master i dont get you, sometimes u make really good points and sometimes u just post fanboy bullshit[/quote]
Yes, that was straight fanboy talk out of my ass. But really, PS2 sold mostly to the non-hardcore gamer, unlike Xbox. I mean, when Xbox came out and ppl were still upgrading from their PS1 or N64 to a next-gen console, they didn't even think twice about not getting a PS2. It was like, "What the hell is an Xbox?". Which I will admit, I thought the same, I was all about getting the Gamecube, boy, am I glad I didn't. Madden and GTA just made it worse. And when you said Halo, I meant a game that got most of its flavor from raunchy humor and extreme violence.
I hope the above statement redeemed myself in your eyes, because I currently have alot more ppl that seem to dislike me than like me.[/quote]
you cant judge a system by 2 games, popular or not, especially when both the games are multiplatform lol[/quote]
Well, GTA hasn't been multiplatform for long. And I don't know why, but whenever I see someone buy Madden at a store, they ALWAYS buy the PS2 version. I guess it's just my luck, but I've never seen a Madden for Xbox being bought.
Grave_Addiction
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[quote name='Danimal']I tend to agree with the people who say Sony will stay on top in the next generation, but I think Microsoft will gain some ground. I kind of see it as a two horse race, with Nintendo falling even further behind. Don't get me wrong- I'm not rooting for that. I'd love nothing more than to see a tight three-way race for the top, because that kind of competition can only be good for the quality of games that come out for each system.
It just seems that Nintendo still think they're the industry leader and can do whatever the hell they want. The N64 was cartridge-based, when that era was clearly over. The GC uses those mini-discs while PS2 and XBox can both play DVDs. To me, those things signal an arrogance that is no longer justified. I'm not bashing their games, or the GC, just their business practices. They preach "quality over quantity", but Sony has both. (I don't have an XBox, so can't speak on their games quality)
I don't see any of that changing in the next generation. The PS3 will lead the way because most PS2 owners will also be PS3 owners. Microsoft seems to "get it" more than Nintendo, so they'll gain some ground, while Nintendo loses more ground. I hope I'm wrong about the big N, but I don't think I am.[/quote]
You just about wrote everything I was going to say. Good post.
Nintendo
I don't think Nintendo is getting what the mass-majority of people want. I really don't think most people are going to be interested in playing another Mario, Pikman or Animal Crossing game.
Let's face it, we have grown up playing these classic Nintendo games, but we have grown up. A lot of us are more interested in playing more mature games. And no matter what Nintendo is saying, I just don't see them solving this like they should.
The next generation will be much like this one for Nintendo, I think. They will rely too much on their established brands, and not try to get third-parties to release games on their system. They are much too arrogant. And in the end, I think this will be a rehash of what's happened with the Gamecube.
Microsoft
I really expect big things from Microsoft. But for them to have any hope of beating Sony, I think they are going to have to hit the gate running.
They will definitely need several must-have games. I'm thinking they need to have a Halo sequel, some sort of MMORPG, several nice action titles (i.e. Ninja Gaiden, GTA) and some other good games from all genres.
Also, they will have to have online play implemented from the get-go. We shouldn't have to wait a year or more for Live to be set up this time, so I'm hoping for some nice online titles to be waiting there come launch day.
It would also do them good to have backwards compatibility.
I really can't say for sure if the Xbox2 will be able to overpower the PS3, but it will definitely give it a run for its money.
Sony
As always, Sony is going to get their share of professional sports players, rappers and millions of kids who buy the system because everyone else is.
Also, developers and publishers will bring their games to the PS3 because they know it is the safest console to do so. In an economy like this, these companies can't afford to take risks like they were in the past, so they will be looking to bring their games to the PS3.
The PS3 has great things going for it, but I'm afraid if Sony releases it very much later than the Xbox2, it will be playing catch up for a long time.
To me, this move would signal that they believe they can overcome any move by their competitors, but I don't fully know if that is true.
Microsoft is building some strong consumer support and that will transfer over when they launch the new console. Can you imagine how much of a headstart Microsoft will get if they have those killer apps and they have a year before Sony releases its console?
In the end, I think this will be a race between Sony and Microsoft. Also, I think this will most likely be Nintendo's last console, unfortunately.
It just seems that Nintendo still think they're the industry leader and can do whatever the hell they want. The N64 was cartridge-based, when that era was clearly over. The GC uses those mini-discs while PS2 and XBox can both play DVDs. To me, those things signal an arrogance that is no longer justified. I'm not bashing their games, or the GC, just their business practices. They preach "quality over quantity", but Sony has both. (I don't have an XBox, so can't speak on their games quality)
I don't see any of that changing in the next generation. The PS3 will lead the way because most PS2 owners will also be PS3 owners. Microsoft seems to "get it" more than Nintendo, so they'll gain some ground, while Nintendo loses more ground. I hope I'm wrong about the big N, but I don't think I am.[/quote]
You just about wrote everything I was going to say. Good post.
Nintendo
I don't think Nintendo is getting what the mass-majority of people want. I really don't think most people are going to be interested in playing another Mario, Pikman or Animal Crossing game.
Let's face it, we have grown up playing these classic Nintendo games, but we have grown up. A lot of us are more interested in playing more mature games. And no matter what Nintendo is saying, I just don't see them solving this like they should.
The next generation will be much like this one for Nintendo, I think. They will rely too much on their established brands, and not try to get third-parties to release games on their system. They are much too arrogant. And in the end, I think this will be a rehash of what's happened with the Gamecube.
Microsoft
I really expect big things from Microsoft. But for them to have any hope of beating Sony, I think they are going to have to hit the gate running.
They will definitely need several must-have games. I'm thinking they need to have a Halo sequel, some sort of MMORPG, several nice action titles (i.e. Ninja Gaiden, GTA) and some other good games from all genres.
Also, they will have to have online play implemented from the get-go. We shouldn't have to wait a year or more for Live to be set up this time, so I'm hoping for some nice online titles to be waiting there come launch day.
It would also do them good to have backwards compatibility.
I really can't say for sure if the Xbox2 will be able to overpower the PS3, but it will definitely give it a run for its money.
Sony
As always, Sony is going to get their share of professional sports players, rappers and millions of kids who buy the system because everyone else is.
Also, developers and publishers will bring their games to the PS3 because they know it is the safest console to do so. In an economy like this, these companies can't afford to take risks like they were in the past, so they will be looking to bring their games to the PS3.
The PS3 has great things going for it, but I'm afraid if Sony releases it very much later than the Xbox2, it will be playing catch up for a long time.
To me, this move would signal that they believe they can overcome any move by their competitors, but I don't fully know if that is true.
Microsoft is building some strong consumer support and that will transfer over when they launch the new console. Can you imagine how much of a headstart Microsoft will get if they have those killer apps and they have a year before Sony releases its console?
In the end, I think this will be a race between Sony and Microsoft. Also, I think this will most likely be Nintendo's last console, unfortunately.
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Well, i don't think PS3 will dominate, I think its a high posibility that they will be the leading console.
And IMO I think this is what is good to all us gamers, as the competition pushes the creativity/value to excel.
In addition there are some valid points in this thread, yet many are talking about qualities that other leading game companies had in the past. -But did not help them in the future.
And IMO I think this is what is good to all us gamers, as the competition pushes the creativity/value to excel.
In addition there are some valid points in this thread, yet many are talking about qualities that other leading game companies had in the past. -But did not help them in the future.
XboxMaster
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[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Danimal']I tend to agree with the people who say Sony will stay on top in the next generation, but I think Microsoft will gain some ground. I kind of see it as a two horse race, with Nintendo falling even further behind. Don't get me wrong- I'm not rooting for that. I'd love nothing more than to see a tight three-way race for the top, because that kind of competition can only be good for the quality of games that come out for each system.
It just seems that Nintendo still think they're the industry leader and can do whatever the hell they want. The N64 was cartridge-based, when that era was clearly over. The GC uses those mini-discs while PS2 and XBox can both play DVDs. To me, those things signal an arrogance that is no longer justified. I'm not bashing their games, or the GC, just their business practices. They preach "quality over quantity", but Sony has both. (I don't have an XBox, so can't speak on their games quality)
I don't see any of that changing in the next generation. The PS3 will lead the way because most PS2 owners will also be PS3 owners. Microsoft seems to "get it" more than Nintendo, so they'll gain some ground, while Nintendo loses more ground. I hope I'm wrong about the big N, but I don't think I am.[/quote]
You just about wrote everything I was going to say. Good post.
Nintendo
I don't think Nintendo is getting what the mass-majority of people want. I really don't think most people are going to be interested in playing another Mario, Pikman or Animal Crossing game.
Let's face it, we have grown up playing these classic Nintendo games, but we have grown up. A lot of us are more interested in playing more mature games. And no matter what Nintendo is saying, I just don't see them solving this like they should.
The next generation will be much like this one for Nintendo, I think. They will rely too much on their established brands, and not try to get third-parties to release games on their system. They are much too arrogant. And in the end, I think this will be a rehash of what's happened with the Gamecube.
Microsoft
I really expect big things from Microsoft. But for them to have any hope of beating Sony, I think they are going to have to hit the gate running.
They will definitely need several must-have games. I'm thinking they need to have a Halo sequel, some sort of MMORPG, several nice action titles (i.e. Ninja Gaiden, GTA) and some other good games from all genres.
Also, they will have to have online play implemented from the get-go. We shouldn't have to wait a year or more for Live to be set up this time, so I'm hoping for some nice online titles to be waiting there come launch day.
It would also do them good to have backwards compatibility.
I really can't say for sure if the Xbox2 will be able to overpower the PS3, but it will definitely give it a run for its money.
Sony
As always, Sony is going to get their share of professional sports players, rappers and millions of kids who buy the system because everyone else is.
Also, developers and publishers will bring their games to the PS3 because they know it is the safest console to do so. In an economy like this, these companies can't afford to take risks like they were in the past, so they will be looking to bring their games to the PS3.
The PS3 has great things going for it, but I'm afraid if Sony releases it very much later than the Xbox2, it will be playing catch up for a long time.
To me, this move would signal that they believe they can overcome any move by their competitors, but I don't fully know if that is true.
Microsoft is building some strong consumer support and that will transfer over when they launch the new console. Can you imagine how much of a headstart Microsoft will get if they have those killer apps and they have a year before Sony releases its console?
In the end, I think this will be a race between Sony and Microsoft. Also, I think this will most likely be Nintendo's last console, unfortunately.[/quote]
The text I highlighted above is what I was trying to get across in my previous three posts on this thread. Alot of non-hardcore gamers buy the PS2 because that's the cool thing to do, right?
It just seems that Nintendo still think they're the industry leader and can do whatever the hell they want. The N64 was cartridge-based, when that era was clearly over. The GC uses those mini-discs while PS2 and XBox can both play DVDs. To me, those things signal an arrogance that is no longer justified. I'm not bashing their games, or the GC, just their business practices. They preach "quality over quantity", but Sony has both. (I don't have an XBox, so can't speak on their games quality)
I don't see any of that changing in the next generation. The PS3 will lead the way because most PS2 owners will also be PS3 owners. Microsoft seems to "get it" more than Nintendo, so they'll gain some ground, while Nintendo loses more ground. I hope I'm wrong about the big N, but I don't think I am.[/quote]
You just about wrote everything I was going to say. Good post.
Nintendo
I don't think Nintendo is getting what the mass-majority of people want. I really don't think most people are going to be interested in playing another Mario, Pikman or Animal Crossing game.
Let's face it, we have grown up playing these classic Nintendo games, but we have grown up. A lot of us are more interested in playing more mature games. And no matter what Nintendo is saying, I just don't see them solving this like they should.
The next generation will be much like this one for Nintendo, I think. They will rely too much on their established brands, and not try to get third-parties to release games on their system. They are much too arrogant. And in the end, I think this will be a rehash of what's happened with the Gamecube.
Microsoft
I really expect big things from Microsoft. But for them to have any hope of beating Sony, I think they are going to have to hit the gate running.
They will definitely need several must-have games. I'm thinking they need to have a Halo sequel, some sort of MMORPG, several nice action titles (i.e. Ninja Gaiden, GTA) and some other good games from all genres.
Also, they will have to have online play implemented from the get-go. We shouldn't have to wait a year or more for Live to be set up this time, so I'm hoping for some nice online titles to be waiting there come launch day.
It would also do them good to have backwards compatibility.
I really can't say for sure if the Xbox2 will be able to overpower the PS3, but it will definitely give it a run for its money.
Sony
As always, Sony is going to get their share of professional sports players, rappers and millions of kids who buy the system because everyone else is.
Also, developers and publishers will bring their games to the PS3 because they know it is the safest console to do so. In an economy like this, these companies can't afford to take risks like they were in the past, so they will be looking to bring their games to the PS3.
The PS3 has great things going for it, but I'm afraid if Sony releases it very much later than the Xbox2, it will be playing catch up for a long time.
To me, this move would signal that they believe they can overcome any move by their competitors, but I don't fully know if that is true.
Microsoft is building some strong consumer support and that will transfer over when they launch the new console. Can you imagine how much of a headstart Microsoft will get if they have those killer apps and they have a year before Sony releases its console?
In the end, I think this will be a race between Sony and Microsoft. Also, I think this will most likely be Nintendo's last console, unfortunately.[/quote]
The text I highlighted above is what I was trying to get across in my previous three posts on this thread. Alot of non-hardcore gamers buy the PS2 because that's the cool thing to do, right?
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im a pretty damn harcore gamer, and i got my current systems in this order
ps2
gcn
x-box, only cause i had to
i will go in the same order for next generation, if i even decide to get a box.
ps2
gcn
x-box, only cause i had to
i will go in the same order for next generation, if i even decide to get a box.
I think the ps3 will be number 1 followed by xbx2 and N5
The xbox2 seems to be just a faster chip + better vid card.
Where as Ps3 seems to be brand new technology in Cell.
Add in the long success with sony and there ps1 and ps2. i would say ps3 has an clear path to victory.
The only good thing that came out of the xbox was xbox live.
The xbox2 seems to be just a faster chip + better vid card.
Where as Ps3 seems to be brand new technology in Cell.
Add in the long success with sony and there ps1 and ps2. i would say ps3 has an clear path to victory.
The only good thing that came out of the xbox was xbox live.
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I guess I'm just wierd then. First, I got my Dreamcast. After the support died off for that, I went out and bought a Gamecube. After getting a good deal on a used PS2 (70 dollars) I got that. That one was prone to DREs and half dead, but by the time it finally just got to cumbersome, I took it to a pawn shop, sold it for $100 and then just bought myself a new one. I was happy for a good long while, and didn't even bother with the Xbox until about a year ago, so I ended up getting it with the two game promo.
Next generation, I'll probably start with a N5 (unless the PS3 predates it by a good couple months), and then pick up a PS3 (or a N5, if it gets realeased 6 months or more later than the PS3), I'll then end up picking up an Xbox 2, probably.
Next generation, I'll probably start with a N5 (unless the PS3 predates it by a good couple months), and then pick up a PS3 (or a N5, if it gets realeased 6 months or more later than the PS3), I'll then end up picking up an Xbox 2, probably.
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