IYO will PS3 dominate?

Yeah im goin with Big N first...Sony needs to win my trust for their next system...It will be this order...Big N, M$, and sony...maybe
 
[quote name='karmapolice620']Yeah im goin with Big N first...Sony needs to win my trust for their next system...It will be this order...Big N, M$, and sony...maybe[/quote]

For Nintendo to come out on top in the next generation, they are going to have to totally rethink how they do business with third parties. They will need to ensure these developers and publishers are confident that if they bring their games to the N5, people will buy it.

That's the biggest problem with the Cube right now. Rarely are you seeing games that come out on the PS2 and Xbox also come out for the Cube. If Nintendo doesn't rectify this huge problem with their next-gen. machine, there will be no way it can compete with its competitors.

And as for Sony earning your trust. Do you mean they need to make a stable machine that won't give DREs or other problems down the line, or do you mean they need to gain your trust in some other way?

I really hope Sony realizes that the lack of hardware reliability has been its biggest problem since it has been in the console business. Can you imagine the backlash if they release another console with the same problems as the last? Whew, that will be bad news for Sony.
 
I haven't read this whole thread, but it is my opinion that Nintendo's only mistake in this last round was leaving off the DVD player. I saw Wal-Mart sell more parents an XBox when they both first came out simply because they said "But this one plays DVD's."

It's sad IMO that a couple of bells and whistles that nobody really needed hurt Nintendo, but I personally saw many people talked out of a Gamecube just because it didn't have the DVD. To think that it still did as well as it did makes me sad they were so bull-headed about ignoring what the sheeple wanted.
 
[quote name='chosen1s']I haven't read this whole thread, but it is my opinion that Nintendo's only mistake in this last round was leaving off the DVD player. I saw Wal-Mart sell more parents an XBox when they both first came out simply because they said "But this one plays DVD's."

It's sad IMO that a couple of bells and whistles that nobody really needed hurt Nintendo, but I personally saw many people talked out of a Gamecube just because it didn't have the DVD. To think that it still did as well as it did makes me sad they were so bull-headed about ignoring what the sheeple wanted.[/quote]

Yeah, it's true that Nintendo is feeling thr brunt of the lack of DVD, but I put that blame on Nintendo. They thought that just because Americans are cheap asses that we would prefer to spend our money on a straight game machine with no features than spend a bit more money and buy a much more "tech-friendly" machine.

Also, the lack of online support, in my opinion, is making Nintendo look very old fashioned and is even furthering its reputation as a kiddie machine.

Yes, I know that online gaming probably isn't that profitable at this point. But hell if a company is going to put it out there for me to use, I'm going to go with that company because I love online gaming. Nintendo needs to stop thinking everyone is going to be so overwhelmed by their new Mario or Zelda game and realize they are in big jeopardy of getting blown out of the water in the next generation.

They need to stop trying reinvent the wheel and just give gamers a solid console that can compete with Sony's and Microsoft's machine in every way. That includes online play and DVD play. If they do that, you can probably forget about backwards compatibility, unless they can somehow make a DVD drive that can read its current discs.

I'm looking forward to see what Nintendo is going to do, because, I think, if they fail again with their new machine, it will be its last console.
 
I have to agree. That would be a shame, too. Somebody mentioned Nintendo's original business model. It was their model that forced companies to make such awesome games up until Playstation opened the floodgates. I would like to see Nintendo return to dominance and be able to assert their quality standards on licensees.
 
[quote name='David85']People are pissed off about the fac t that Sony made messed up PS2 to sell more systems, so I think M$ will be the leader next round, and Nintendo, still being dumb will come in last.... again.[/quote]

Even though the PS2 was highly defective, people still continued to buy future models to replace their old ones. For this reason, I think PS3 will still be the leader, but I think that the gaps between all the companies will be narrowed. I just hope PS3 will be more reliable, because it's what I'm gonna buy.
 
I don't think most people are buying the console over and over again because they love the console. They know if they want most of the good games, they will have to go with Sony. Sure Microsoft and Nintendo has their handful of AAA titles, but no one can honestly say they have better games than the PS2.
 
I like PS2 third party companies myself sega for VF, namco for Tekken, capcom for Street fighter and so on...and about Sony making defective PS2's lets just hope they dont do the same for PS3. :roll:
 
ps2 is dominant because it came out a full year before any other console, if microsoft can pull off the same thing with xbox2 it will be very hard for the ps3 to catch up. there are a few underlying factors as well. not being backwardly compatible with xbox is one, but i dont know why, i dont play any psone games on my ps2 anymore. also i think they need to stick with the hard drive and for sure have live up from day 1. fact is with so many games multiplatform, all the companies microsoft is gobbling up will be very, very valuable in the long term. and whoever was referring to madden being sold more on ps2, check back when its got live support and see if the disparity is still there. i consider whatever nintendo will do to be a non factor. they will push units with zelda and mario games but they will just do something "against the norm" and stay in the niche area of gaming for the time being.
 
[quote name='karmapolice620']I agree with casey...You people and your recognition. I mean...You say the parents go in and say "Oh, I know Playstation, that's been the big thing for like 10 years now. And Sony alawys makes good products. I'll buy this one."...Umm I dont think many parents keep track of gaming systems or companies unless they game themselves...My mom calls my n64 an xbox...Parents usually buy what kids ask for...not what they know...Anyways I think Nintendo is heading in the right direction, they had some really solid and unique games: Pikmin,Viewtiful Joe,Wind Waker (every one laughed at the cel shading buy you have to admit it was a hell of a zelda game),Metroid Prime (although the auto aim got on my nerves),Luigis Mansion, and many others...I mean some may be "wierd" but they were unique and never been done...I believe its a good direction to go in...Sony IMO is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Im gunna stick with Microsoft for Online and Nintendo for solid unique gaming experience...Sony will have to do alot for me to throw down some benjamins...And no GT5 wont cut it...and I see GTA Microsoft exclusive when the contract with Sony is up...GOOD BYE SONY![/quote]

Nothing in that mish mash of an paragraph made sense.

Why would Rock* abandon Sony? They rebuilt there reputation with Sony. Not to mention the gagillions of $$$ they made off of GTA 3/ VC. Last time I checked GTA: DP was a bust on Xbox (at least when compared to their PS2 counterparts.

How will big N dominate? Through original games? You wanna know what those all those NGC games you mentioned have in common (besides being really, really good)? They all tanked, sales wise.

Face it; Brand reconization is the key point here. Sony will continue to dominate, while Big N and M$ dukes it out for 2nd place. Sad truth, but that's the way it is.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-'][quote name='karmapolice620']I agree with casey...You people and your recognition. I mean...You say the parents go in and say "Oh, I know Playstation, that's been the big thing for like 10 years now. And Sony alawys makes good products. I'll buy this one."...Umm I dont think many parents keep track of gaming systems or companies unless they game themselves...My mom calls my n64 an xbox...Parents usually buy what kids ask for...not what they know...Anyways I think Nintendo is heading in the right direction, they had some really solid and unique games: Pikmin,Viewtiful Joe,Wind Waker (every one laughed at the cel shading buy you have to admit it was a hell of a zelda game),Metroid Prime (although the auto aim got on my nerves),Luigis Mansion, and many others...I mean some may be "wierd" but they were unique and never been done...I believe its a good direction to go in...Sony IMO is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Im gunna stick with Microsoft for Online and Nintendo for solid unique gaming experience...Sony will have to do alot for me to throw down some benjamins...And no GT5 wont cut it...and I see GTA Microsoft exclusive when the contract with Sony is up...GOOD BYE SONY![/quote]

Nothing in that mish mash of an paragraph made sense.

Why would Rock* abandon Sony? They rebuilt there reputation with Sony. Not to mention the gagillions of $$$ they made off of GTA 3/ VC. Last time I checked GTA: DP was a bust on Xbox (at least when compared to their PS2 counterparts.

How will big N dominate? Through original games? You wanna know what those all those NGC games you mentioned have in common (besides being really, really good)? They all tanked, sales wise.

Face it; Brand reconization is the key point here. Sony will continue to dominate, while Big N and M$ dukes it out for 2nd place. Sad truth, but that's the way it is.[/quote]
There can be no truth where there is no understanding of history. The gaming population is fickle. When mistakes are made, hearts are broken, and competitors always rise to the occasion in such situations. It's gravity at work.
 
It's tough to say this early. While Sony has proven it's dominance as the #1 console two generations in a row, it's a big question mark as if they can win again with the PS3. No company that has produced consoles has really came out on top more than two consecutive generations, and Sony could very well be the first console in history to pass that mark.

But, Microsoft has proven to be a threat to Sony's dominance, and if they can get their next console out the door before Sony's, then they might beat them out. But I could be wrong, look at the Dreamcast. Out a year before the PS2, but people would rather wait that one year than give the DC a shot.

Nintendo can do the same, but in this generation, Nintendo really doesn't seem to be in the same league as Sony and Microsoft. Sony and Microsoft want to be these "do-it-all" home entertainment machines that will play your DVD's, record your TV shows and so on. Nintendo is STILL sticking to games. I assume they will do so the next time around.

It will be interesting to see if people will fall for the extras the next genration as they did this one. It seems like the best selling consoles won due in to part having a DVD player built in. To me, that was gimmicky, and something like that doesn't matter today, as you can pick up a DVD player for $40. Then there's the whole online thing, which was also big this time around (of course how many people do you know actually go online with their consoles?). That too will not be as big of a selling factor. So the add-ons may not be as important the second time around.

I wonder how much Sony's next system will cost. With everything the want to cram in, on top of the huge amount of money they're spending on R&D, this could be their most expensive system yet. I can imagine Nintendo's next system being cost-effective (as they always have been), and Microsoft is looking to make their console cheaper the next time around as well. If 2 of the 3 next gen systems sell cheaper than Sony's, then they may lose the battle.

I'm also feeling that Sony is becoming arrogant with the PlayStation systems, much like Nintendo was with the NES and SNES (and GB). Nintendo was on top, they did things their own way, and carried that over to the 3-D generation (N64-PS1-Saturn era). Backfired in their face. Developers hated the expensive cartridge format, the market started to shirk, and eventually never was able to recover when the PS1 gained insane momentum.

Now Sony has had two highly succesful consoles, and there's a problem with both. Both consoles offered as little as possible for the most money. What I mean is, they offer the least amount of power and capabillities, and yet can ask top dollar for it. Just look at the market now. Nintendo's Gamecube system in the middle in terms of performance, and it's the cheapest, retailing for $99.99. The Xbox is the most powerful this generation, and it's going for $149.99. The PS2 is the weakest in terms of performance, and they still ask for $179.99. How is that? Will the next PS3 be the same way, and will people tolerate it? Then there's the whole development thing. I've heard that the PS2 is the most difficult to develop for, will that be the same with the PS3?

But it's a waiting game. Sony could very well be #1 the next time around (and they better damn well have a system good enough to live up to that claim). Unless a competitor has a good enough launch before the PS3, then Sony may be able to take this. Right now they're riding high, but it's also their game to lose if they slip up.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-'][quote name='karmapolice620']I agree with casey...You people and your recognition. I mean...You say the parents go in and say "Oh, I know Playstation, that's been the big thing for like 10 years now. And Sony alawys makes good products. I'll buy this one."...Umm I dont think many parents keep track of gaming systems or companies unless they game themselves...My mom calls my n64 an xbox...Parents usually buy what kids ask for...not what they know...Anyways I think Nintendo is heading in the right direction, they had some really solid and unique games: Pikmin,Viewtiful Joe,Wind Waker (every one laughed at the cel shading buy you have to admit it was a hell of a zelda game),Metroid Prime (although the auto aim got on my nerves),Luigis Mansion, and many others...I mean some may be "wierd" but they were unique and never been done...I believe its a good direction to go in...Sony IMO is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Im gunna stick with Microsoft for Online and Nintendo for solid unique gaming experience...Sony will have to do alot for me to throw down some benjamins...And no GT5 wont cut it...and I see GTA Microsoft exclusive when the contract with Sony is up...GOOD BYE SONY![/quote]

Nothing in that mish mash of an paragraph made sense.

Why would Rock* abandon Sony? They rebuilt there reputation with Sony. Not to mention the gagillions of $$$ they made off of GTA 3/ VC. Last time I checked GTA: DP was a bust on Xbox (at least when compared to their PS2 counterparts.

How will big N dominate? Through original games? You wanna know what those all those NGC games you mentioned have in common (besides being really, really good)? They all tanked, sales wise.

Face it; Brand reconization is the key point here. Sony will continue to dominate, while Big N and M$ dukes it out for 2nd place. Sad truth, but that's the way it is.[/quote]

brand recognition? that doesnt make any sense at all. for one thing, no matter what the system is, over half of the public calls it "nintendo". so by your reasoning they should be #1. also, all games that are exclusive to one system then later port over are always less successful.
 
[quote name='rfoster9']brand recognition? that doesnt make any sense at all. for one thing, no matter what the system is, over half of the public calls it "nintendo". so by your reasoning they should be #1. also, all games that are exclusive to one system then later port over are always less successful.[/quote]

I'd say maybe, just maybe, you could have had a valid point in there, but they you had to throw in a bullshit "over half of the public...". Which is a lie. Video game consoles are usually called by their actual names. Which, in America, is much more frequently "Xbox" or "PlayStation". So what people call it has nothing to do with brand recognition. So, I think you could much more quickly say that more of the population calls a videogame console a PlayStation than a Nintendo. You see, statistics are a lot more useful in backing an arguement when they are valid.

Your mention of ports seems pointless. Another tip for you: Next time you post an argument, have a coherent point. It makes things so much better for the reader!
 
[quote name='alongx'][quote name='rfoster9']brand recognition? that doesnt make any sense at all. for one thing, no matter what the system is, over half of the public calls it "nintendo". so by your reasoning they should be #1. also, all games that are exclusive to one system then later port over are always less successful.[/quote]

I'd say maybe, just maybe, you could have had a valid point in there, but they you had to throw in a bullshit "over half of the public...". Which is a lie. Video game consoles are usually called by their actual names. Which, in America, is much more frequently "Xbox" or "PlayStation". So what people call it has nothing to do with brand recognition. So, I think you could much more quickly say that more of the population calls a videogame console a PlayStation than a Nintendo. You see, statistics are a lot more useful in backing an arguement when they are valid.

Your mention of ports seems pointless. Another tip for you: Next time you post an argument, have a coherent point. It makes things so much better for the reader![/quote]

you seem to think that the gaming population is huge, im sorry, but you are wrong. the fact is most people dont care about video games, and especially older people do refer to it as nintendo, as well as many younger kids that started with only a gameboy and gamecube because their parents wouldnt buy them a 300 dollar machine. now they have a ps2 or xbox because of price reduction but still say they play nintendo. id say its easily over half of the "public". and what you said about the GTA double pack was actually what was pointless. fact is there are not many that have an xbox and not ps2, and the sales of 2 old games when sent over to another system has nothing to do with the health of sales for other games on that system. here is a tip for you, you are not all knowing, so stop acting like some big shot.
 
rfoster9 does have a point, just like tissues are called kleenexes and calling rollerskates rollerblades. Some people refer to gaming machines as Nintendo's.
 
Here's my take.

Each company needs to do some serious research. Each made some big blunders last launch. Who puts two ports on a console after several in the past and your two leading competitiors had stepped up to 4? Who puts no DVD capabilities when your competitors are doing it? Who makes a frickin huge controller only to offer a smaller one months later?
And as we know, each had a relativly weak launch.

I really want Nintendo to succede but things are looking grim. No one really wants to buy $500 worth of machinery and cables to be able to look at a map for a game on a mini screen. While some returning titles are good, they seriously need to get some new stuff going. As much as I'd like to see a Mario Party 7234, give me something new. Invent some new characters. Stop relying on old series that have been around forever and a half (Mario, Metroid, Zelda). That or make sequels to games that desrve it (Mario Tennis 2 anyone?) or for characters that need some attention. Don't pour Mario into a blender and pour him out into a nice little tray and sell him again for $50.

As much as I want Nintendo to sucede, I don't see it happening. Maybe they will do a Sega and make some quality software stuff but... I dunno...
 
Why do so many gamers value having DVD function on all of their systems? Who is happy with the fact that they paid to have 2 or 3 DVD players sitting under their TVs this generation and will have even more next generation?
 
Some anylysts say PS3 will dominate selling 70million+ while MS sells 10, and Nintendo 5.
If those were North american numbers i would say they are not far off, but i think MS could take a bigger piece of that market.
My estimates:
Sony ps3:60milion
MS:20 Million
Nintendo:5 million

With the GB/gba platform still outselling both PSP and DS until 2007 or the price drops on those consoles.
 
[quote name='SatchmoKhan']Why do so many gamers value having DVD function on all of their systems? Who is happy with the fact that they paid to have 2 or 3 DVD players sitting under their TVs this generation and will have even more next generation?[/quote]

The DVD player market was only at about %15 of market saturation(installed base in homes) before the PS2 came along, many people saw it as a reason to take the plunge into dvd media from vhs.

Also you have to factor in that some of the game media runs on dvd format, which makes it an easy reason to throw in for sony who actually helped invent the technology, and does not have to pay royalties for the drive.

EDIT: Post number 420!!
 
That is very true Medium_Pimpin, but I don't think DVD function will be as big a selling point in the next generation, nor will it be necessary for Nintendo to conform to do well. I think many gamers will have more than enough DVD players sitting around their houses by the time the new systems come out for that to be a deciding factor in choosing a console. And with the rampant overseas piracy of games, different media like the GC optical disc may start to look more favorable to some developers than the easily copied DVDs.
 
[quote name='SatchmoKhan']That is very true Medium_Pimpin, but I don't think DVD function will be as big a selling point in the next generation, nor will it be necessary for Nintendo to conform to do well. I think many gamers will have more than enough DVD players sitting around their houses by the time the new systems come out for that to be a deciding factor in choosing a console. And with the rampant overseas piracy of games, different media like the GC optical disc may start to look more favorable to some developers than the easily copied DVDs.[/quote]


It wont likely be a selling point, but dvd media is still cheap, and can hold much more data than we are currently fitting on them. For and extra couple of dollars a console, will console makers add an extra laser or a dvd decoder? You bet. Will they list it as a feature? You bet.
 
Why would Rock* abandon Sony? They rebuilt there reputation with Sony. Not to mention the gagillions of $$$ they made off of GTA 3/ VC. Last time I checked GTA: DP was a bust on Xbox (at least when compared to their PS2 counterparts.

Maybe this is because of the fact that so many people had bought the game on the PS2, or computer, that their was no need for them to purchase the xbox version, an old college buddy of mine is buying an xbox, he hasn't played video games in years, but he is gettin halo and the GTA Double pack..also I think, I have no facts to back it up, but a lot of people own more then one console...so of course the numbers on xbox will be a lot lower...Someone had mentioned earlier that sony will put out the weakest system and it will be over a year b4 any solid games come out on it...if msft and nintendo are out earlier then sony, then sony better be ready to play when the system ships, another thing is the shitty componets of the ps2, and the lack of consoles available at launch, if sony messes this up and their is a msft and nintendo console at the stores, I don't know if sony will be able to run on the brand name, espically if parents aren't able to get them for the holiday rush...Personally I think it is too early to tell who will end up on top next time, as their are a lot of weakness that all consoles currently have, and will the big 3 be able to addr these issues, if so who handels it best
 
[quote name='rfoster9'][quote name='-Never4ever-'][quote name='karmapolice620']I agree with casey...You people and your recognition. I mean...You say the parents go in and say "Oh, I know Playstation, that's been the big thing for like 10 years now. And Sony alawys makes good products. I'll buy this one."...Umm I dont think many parents keep track of gaming systems or companies unless they game themselves...My mom calls my n64 an xbox...Parents usually buy what kids ask for...not what they know...Anyways I think Nintendo is heading in the right direction, they had some really solid and unique games: Pikmin,Viewtiful Joe,Wind Waker (every one laughed at the cel shading buy you have to admit it was a hell of a zelda game),Metroid Prime (although the auto aim got on my nerves),Luigis Mansion, and many others...I mean some may be "wierd" but they were unique and never been done...I believe its a good direction to go in...Sony IMO is doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. Im gunna stick with Microsoft for Online and Nintendo for solid unique gaming experience...Sony will have to do alot for me to throw down some benjamins...And no GT5 wont cut it...and I see GTA Microsoft exclusive when the contract with Sony is up...GOOD BYE SONY![/quote]

Nothing in that mish mash of an paragraph made sense.

Why would Rock* abandon Sony? They rebuilt there reputation with Sony. Not to mention the gagillions of $$$ they made off of GTA 3/ VC. Last time I checked GTA: DP was a bust on Xbox (at least when compared to their PS2 counterparts.

How will big N dominate? Through original games? You wanna know what those all those NGC games you mentioned have in common (besides being really, really good)? They all tanked, sales wise.

Face it; Brand reconization is the key point here. Sony will continue to dominate, while Big N and M$ dukes it out for 2nd place. Sad truth, but that's the way it is.[/quote]

brand recognition? that doesnt make any sense at all. for one thing, no matter what the system is, over half of the public calls it "nintendo". so by your reasoning they should be #1. also, all games that are exclusive to one system then later port over are always less successful.[/quote]

I agree with the Nintendo thing, pretty much every adult I know (cept my mom, cuz I yak in her ear every day about Sony) calls the entire videogame industry Nintendo. "Oh, you got the new Nintendo?". "What games do you have for your Nintendo?". But I do believe the general public IS getting smarter and more aware about the industry.
 
I still hear most adults call a game system a Nintendo as well.

I really hope Nintendo can pull themselves out of the "uncool" image they have gained over the playstation years. I will definitely be buying a N5, maybe the others later. Nintendo still makes my favorite games.

I think a lot of it matters on who launches first. I think getting an earlier jump (but not dreamcast early) helped the PS2 a lot as people were anxious at the time to get into the next generation and some didn't want to wait for the cube and xbox.

There are so many things unpredictable next generation. PS3 will likely dominate but with a few system sellers near launch the others could hold their own very easily. If either Nintendo or Microsft get a GTA3 like system seller next gen we could be seeing a completely new system war.
 
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