Japanese people line up for 360, yeah, Hell just froze (Blue Dragon)

[quote name='Badgun']While us Americans can usually be appeased by a 5-6 hour game if it promises good multiplayer, I think the Japanese expect to get a little more bang for their yen when they drop it on a game. Epic should be ashamed of themselves for hyping GoW so much and have it be so short.[/quote]

Umm...you do know that it wasn't epic that hyped the game. Epic hardly hyped it at all really outside of previewing it to magazines and the commercials. Most of the hype came from us users. We basically set the ball rolling on this game and it has been phenomenal. Really nothing to complain about at all. Try playing the game on Hard or Insane mode.
 
[quote name='Vinny']Gears of War is not an FPS...:p

But seriously, this is amazing. Amazing! I've been excited for Blue Dragon because of it having some of the members form the Chrono Trigger team (artist and composer, I think) but haven't really followed it too much.[/quote]

Same here. I'm going to look into it heavily now and make it perhaps my first RPG purchase for 360.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Doubtful. Capcom now sees that there is a ton of money to be made on the 360 whether the Japanese buy it or not. I remember the one guy who made Dead Rising was surprised the game sold so hotly in the US and pledged more US support.

Lost Planet is going to be another one that will blow up in the US but I doubt most of the Japanese will care.

Capcom sees things as $$$ and they will go wherever the money is.

And yea, Namco should pull their head out of the ass and put up Tekken w/ Live play, but they are stubborn and stupid. If Gears of War can sell 1 million worldwide in 2 weeks (most of which has to be US / European sales), Tekken with Live play would crack that # as well. Namco announced it needs to sell 500,000 copies of Ridge Racer 7 to break even, which it won't, not in a million years, but still no mention of a 360 port. Namco is very Japan-centric, I believe... I can't think of anything they've put on the 360 yet that was a big deal.

Myke, I actually did want an orange GC ;)[/quote]

Oh please oh please oh please put Tekken on 360 with Live and a joystick. i'd pay $70 for this and wouldn't mind and would do it with a huge:D on my face.

[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Namco would never let their main fighting franchises be online simply because they cater to the fighting community, and they are not satisfied with the state of online gaming enough to do this.

Go to Soulcalibur.com or TekkenZaibatsu or whatever the VF forum is, and mention that the games should be online. Go ahead.

We'd need games with a consistent lag of well under one frame before they'd even consider it.[/quote]

If they wanted to and put some real effort into it than it could be done. Even Itagaki at least tried. I'm sure that Namco could it pull it off some way. Hell, regardless of Live I wish that they port over or put Tekken on Xbox and don't fucking stiff us like they did by putting Tekken 5: DR solely on PSP. I swear that game gets the most out of my PSP.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']You guys do realize that monopoly is dangerous, right?[/quote]

What the hell have you been spewing about this entire thread? Every single post of your is pretty much nonsensical. You do understand that under the current conditions that the hardware side of the video game market is actually an oligopoly? And not only that, but no one competitor has held anyone from coming into the video game hardware market? Just look at how Nokia (big name company) was apart of it at one point and the same with the Gizmodo (small name stupid company).
 
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If they wanted to and put some real effort into it than it could be done. Even Itagaki at least tried. I'm sure that Namco could it pull it off some way. Hell, regardless of Live I wish that they port over or put Tekken on Xbox and don't fucking stiff us like they did by putting Tekken 5: DR solely on PSP. I swear that game gets the most out of my PSP.[/QUOTE]

With arcades all but dead in the US, but still alive in Japan, I think it'll take the arcade market in Japan to pretty much die before developers start seriously looking at online play.

Because seriously, the only people I have to play fighters with around here are my sucky ass friends who blow at them. I'd love to get online with Tekken and play some REAL competition.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']With arcades all but dead in the US, but still alive in Japan, I think it'll take the arcade market in Japan to pretty much die before developers start seriously looking at online play.

Because seriously, the only people I have to play fighters with around here are my sucky ass friends who blow at them. I'd love to get online with Tekken and play some REAL competition.[/quote]

Around here we still have arcades, but the barely manage to thrive. They get some new games in, but it's mostly older ones. Still, I used to play Soul Calibur II non-stop at the arcade and had great competition at the various arcades by me. Was in a league and had built up multiple characters to 2000+ wins and only 200 losses. But slowly my competition began to die off and most people stopped playing it and moved on. It took forever for SCIII to be released at an arcade here and they cut out Conquest mode which basically partially killed the game for me and my compatriots. Not only that, but the price was far higher than SCII's of one quarter so we sort of gave up on it. It really sucks to since I would love SCII/III competition.

The most competition I have gotten out of Tekken 5/DR is by one person who was excellent at the game and the only time I have actually come across any. After that, it's solely me and my PSP on the go.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Huh? I own a 360, and I love it. And I love Japanese games. Remember how Roufuss mentioned Gundam game 2045? Well I'm the fanboy who owns Gundam games 2035-2044 already, and will continue to buy them. What the hell does the 360s fanbase have to do with my enjoyment of it?

And frankly, as much as I love my Tales games or my Onimushas, I'm far more excited for games like Mass Effect and Lost Planet than I am for another generic Final Fantasy game (not to say I won't buy it of course). Believe it or not, you can like both Japanese and Western games.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say you can't like both Japanese and Western games. The simple fact is the 360 is selling horribly in Japan. A 4 week old PS3 outsells a 360 that's been out a year? Where do you think all those niche Japanese games are going? Not to the 360 that's for sure.

And the fanbase matters because if the majority of Xbox gamers don't care for the games I like (Dragon Quest, Suikoden, Japanese horror games like Clock Tower, Haunting Ground, etc.) then what's the point in getting that console?
 
And the fanbase matters because if the majority of Xbox gamers don't care for the games I like (Dragon Quest, Suikoden, Japanese horror games like Clock Tower, Haunting Ground, etc.) then what's the point in getting that console?
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I still fail to see what the fanbase has to do with your enjoyment of the console. Most of the PS2's fanbase sure didn't like Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs. Z Gundam. Did that stop me from enjoying the game? I think what you're trying to say is that if a console doesn't get the games you like then you shouldn't buy it, which is very true. The way your previous post was worded made it sound like you were saying "I don't like Roufuss' or other 360 owners' attitudes, so I'm not buying a 360!"

Also I never touched on how the 360 was doing in Japan. Why'd you mention that o_O
 
[quote name='Roufuss']So do I chief, but buying a 360 for Japanese games is a stupid idea. Buy a 360 because there are good games, buy it because you can't wait to play something like Mass Effect (like Rei did), but don't buy it hoping that somehow a shitton of Japanese developers are all of a sudden going to flock to the system en masse.

My PS2 handles my dose of Japanese games just fine, my 360 handles my US / European games just fine.

I do not hate Japan (I like to over-exaggerate my posts sometimes) but one of the major comments always thrown at the 360 is that it "has a lack of Japanese games" like it's some kind of bad thing... it has alot of GREAT games that just don't happen to be Japanese.

The only reason I mentioned Gundam is that the new PS3 Japanese Gundam game seems to be pretty shitty judging by reviews, yet the Japanese probably bought it in droves. I'd rather have an awesome game than another game that costs by on a Japanese license just to satisfy the Japanophile inside some 360 owners.

I mean, I'll just re-iterate your question back at you... Why on Earth would someone buy a 360 if they liked Japanese games?

Answer: They wouldn't, not unless they wanted a ton of great US / European games.

The whole point of everything I've posted is that the 360 is doing just fine without a ton of Japanese support (the only main developers I can think of are Capcom and Tecmo, who, like I said, like $$$ and they see that now in the 360 in other regions), so I just wish Microsoft would pull the plug and let it go.

Hell, so far, Blue Dragon is barely even getting hyped up over here, and I'd be really surprised if MS put forward a huge campaign for it. Yet we're already seeing commercials for Halo 3 a year in advance and GTA IV made waves throughout MS's press conference at E3.[/QUOTE]

But this kind of attitude will never put the 360 in the same league as the NES, PS1, and PS2. I don't think you realize how much trouble Sony would have been in had it lost FF13 to another console. Had it happened JRPG fans would have been left wondering what console to get. Most people can't afford multiple consoles, you have to go with what suits you best. SE has taken the plunge and at least for this go around will support PS3 pretty heavily. Combine this kind of support and bad sales for 360 in Japan a person like me knows what console they have to look at.

If DQ9 goes to PS3 then Sony has it in the bag. Wii can still do very well, but PS3 will be far from a failure in Japan. 360 getting third there is a given at this point, now they have to hope they can pull it off in NA and Europe.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I still fail to see what the fanbase has to do with your enjoyment of the console. Most of the PS2's fanbase sure didn't like Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs. Z Gundam. Did that stop me from enjoying the game? I think what you're trying to say is that if a console doesn't get the games you like then you shouldn't buy it, which is very true. The way your previous post was worded made it sound like you were saying "I don't like Roufuss' or other 360 owners' attitudes, so I'm not buying a 360!"

Also I never touched on how the 360 was doing in Japan. Why'd you mention that o_O[/QUOTE]

If the majority of the fanbase doesn't like game X (which I happen to like) the majority of 360 owners naturally won't buy the game, thus the company goes elsewhere with those types of games. Then I'm stuck with a console that doesn't have the games I like. So yes the fanbase effects my enjoyment of the console.

It has nothing to do with Roufuss personally, I do think he represents the majority of Xbox owners though. They get way more excited over Gears of War and Halo (I wouldn't pay $20 in the bargain bin for those games) vs. Blue Dragon or Enchanted Arms which I would pay $40 or so each for.

And this topic is about Blue Dragon, Japanese buying 360's, etc. What's wrong with me bringing up the 360's performance in Japan since that's what the topic is about? You're in the wrong topic if you don't want to hear about such things.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Namco would never let their main fighting franchises be online simply because they cater to the fighting community, and they are not satisfied with the state of online gaming enough to do this.

Go to Soulcalibur.com or TekkenZaibatsu or whatever the VF forum is, and mention that the games should be online. Go ahead.

We'd need games with a consistent lag of well under one frame before they'd even consider it.[/QUOTE]


that's nice that people are hardcore and all but there's an even larger number of people who don't care about lag that would buy it anyway. I'm pretty sure the DoA series has consistently outsold VF, Soul Calibur and Tekken, especially since it went online with Ultimate. There's a market there and it can only get bigger as more people buy the 360 (or the PS3, once it sells a lot and if they decide to go for Sony's DIY online system.) Just saying that if they see a large enough market, they'll put the game online regardless.


Sure, you'd get flamed for saying a 3D fighting game should go online, but every single person on those forums would buy an online version of Tekken 6, Soul Calibur 4 or VF5 in a second. the game wouldn't be up to tournament standards, but they'd buy it anyway.
 
I'm pretty sure the DoA series has consistently outsold VF, Soul Calibur and Tekken, especially since it went online with Ultimate.
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I really don't want to be a jerk, but I'm going to have to ask for some proof on this. Especially when it comes to Tekken and Soul Calibur.
And this topic is about Blue Dragon, Japanese buying 360's, etc. What's wrong with me bringing up the 360's performance in Japan since that's what the topic is about? You're in the wrong topic if you don't want to hear about such things.
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No problem. Was just wondering why you mentioned it while quoting my post. Don't get your knickers in a twist.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I really don't want to be a jerk, but I'm going to have to ask for some proof on this. Especially when it comes to Tekken and Soul Calibur.

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nevermind, I'll shut up now! I thought I had seen good numbers for DoA, but it looks like I'm wrong. according to themagicbox they shipped a million copies of 4 as of last month, and 895,000 copies of DoA3 were sold in the U.S. as of 2004. I'm sure international sales put it over a million though. Not sure about Ultimate.

Looking around the web, it looks like all the other games have done well. Tekken 5 sold 1.4 million in the U.S. as of August and 300,000 in Japan as of last December, according to wikipedia. It's hard to say with Sc2, since no one specifies whether they mean a single version or if they're talking about all 3. I don't think SC3 did all that well though.

Couldn't find anything about VF.


that shuts me up about sales :)

but I still think it's obvious that Sega and Namco would put their games online if they saw the demand.
 
[quote name='zerolens']If the majority of the fanbase doesn't like game X (which I happen to like) the majority of 360 owners naturally won't buy the game, thus the company goes elsewhere with those types of games. Then I'm stuck with a console that doesn't have the games I like. So yes the fanbase effects my enjoyment of the console.

It has nothing to do with Roufuss personally, I do think he represents the majority of Xbox owners though. They get way more excited over Gears of War and Halo (I wouldn't pay $20 in the bargain bin for those games) vs. Blue Dragon or Enchanted Arms which I would pay $40 or so each for.

And this topic is about Blue Dragon, Japanese buying 360's, etc. What's wrong with me bringing up the 360's performance in Japan since that's what the topic is about? You're in the wrong topic if you don't want to hear about such things.[/QUOTE]

I agree about most XBox owners getting more excited over Halo and GOW than Suikoden and a few other which I find to be a shame. GOW I won't judge since I haven't played it yet to judge the story but while Halo's isn't bad stuff like SMT Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga are a LOT deeper plotwise and Suikoden might be interesting to most people for Historical reasons.
All that being said I think it's a shame you wouldn't give GOW a try since to my knowledge the gameplay is definitely different than Halo. Granted it's a shooter but it's decidedly in 3rd person which affects the gameplay. I could understand if you just won't pay full price for it since it's suppose to be so short. Me? I was glad I never bought ZOE because it was terribly short for the money I felt and the cliffhanger was just the icing on the cake to piss me off.
Your comment about DQ8, well I think you couldn't be further from the truth. Based on what Namco said if EnixSquare aren't complete morons they will put it exclusively on the Wii because of the lower development cost, pricing structure and # of copies they have to sell to turn a profit as well. Yes we know it will sell big in Japan but how much more profit could they reap from people who won't pay $60 for it on the PS3 but will pay $50 on the Wii as well as the extra profit the lower development costs will yield as I note above. If they don't decide to put it exclusively on the Wii I wouldn't be surprised if it's released a month or two LATER on the PS3. Regardless I would find it a waste to put it on PS3 since DQ was never big on graphics in the first place. You can look at DQVII's graphics to see that CLEARLY.
 
That was DQ7, a game brought very late in the PS1 era. It was only Enix then as well, since they merged with Square and having Level 5 help out graphics have improved a lot. Maybe SE cares more about graphics for it now. With all the work being put into the White Engine and learning the ins and outs of the PS3, I think you'll see a lot of games from SE put out for the PS3.

I think the launch price of PS3 vs. PS2 in Japan is something like $80 (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think the memory card is factored into the price of that PS2 either. Here there is around a $200 difference vs. US PS2 launch, there the PS3 is less than $100 difference I think. After the price cut I don't think Japan will mind the PS3 price too much.

Also SE runs the risk of splitting it's fanbase. Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy have always gone to the same console right? That was even before the merge, I don't see why now they would decide to split the games up in different consoles and force too many people to buy multiple consoles.

As far as lower development costs or whatever, then they could easily do it for PS2 in that case if graphics aren't an issue. There's tens of millions of PS2's already out there, and PS3 owners could probably play it as well. Much more potential in sales.

Wii will do great in Japan, but I think PS3 will as well IMO. It's a matter of time before we find out which console does better there though. US and Europe is still up in the air as well.
 
[quote name='zerolens']That was DQ7, a game brought very late in the PS1 era. It was only Enix then as well, since they merged with Square and having Level 5 help out graphics have improved a lot. Maybe SE cares more about graphics for it now. With all the work being put into the White Engine and learning the ins and outs of the PS3, I think you'll see a lot of games from SE put out for the PS3.

I think the launch price of PS3 vs. PS2 in Japan is something like $80 (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think the memory card is factored into the price of that PS2 either. Here there is around a $200 difference vs. US PS2 launch, there the PS3 is less than $100 difference I think. After the price cut I don't think Japan will mind the PS3 price too much.

Also SE runs the risk of splitting it's fanbase. Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy have always gone to the same console right? That was even before the merge, I don't see why now they would decide to split the games up in different consoles and force too many people to buy multiple consoles.

As far as lower development costs or whatever, then they could easily do it for PS2 in that case if graphics aren't an issue. There's tens of millions of PS2's already out there, and PS3 owners could probably play it as well. Much more potential in sales.

Wii will do great in Japan, but I think PS3 will as well IMO. It's a matter of time before we find out which console does better there though. US and Europe is still up in the air as well.[/QUOTE]

First you and I both know that's not gonna happen, putting it on the PS2. And splitting it's fanbase? That's a joke right? Japanese people would BUY a Wii regardless and not complain if FFXIII is on the PS3. They DON'T care. And while the enhanced graphics garned higher sales than expected in the U.S. note how quickly they price dropped it, had sales on it even. I don't think the extra time in development for PS3 would be worth it to EnixSquare in terms of the extra profit they MIGHT yield from the U.S. FFXIII U.S. and perhaps even Japanese expect high level graphics.
To shine the light further on your fanbase comment are you referring to the U.S. fans? If you are I truly doubt DQVIII created a substantial fanbase and even one that ties in heavily with the FF one. If so that would be a terrible thing since most of them would unequivocally say DQVIII was the best one ever made, perhaps even after playing all the previous one's.
 
[quote name='Apossum']Sure, you'd get flamed for saying a 3D fighting game should go online, but every single person on those forums would buy an online version of Tekken 6, Soul Calibur 4 or VF5 in a second. the game wouldn't be up to tournament standards, but they'd buy it anyway.[/QUOTE]

I would buy those except for maybe Soul Calibur, if they had online. Online play is the "new arcade" if you think about it. With a majority of arcades here in Maryland gone it's kind of hard to get any good competition. I bought most of SNKs fighters just for the fact of online play for Xbox and have a grand old time playing UMK3 over Live.

Hell, even my brother who hates MK games with a passion plays on Live just because it's competition.

It's stupid not to put these games online. I've heard that Sega is against VF going online because of lag but DoA and MK both went online and those were fun. Tekken online would be a huge draw if it went online either with PS3 or 360. Now that Namco has confirmed Tekken 5 DR on PS3 BUT still no online. Namco would see better sales of this game on 360 with Live support or even PS2 without online play.
 
Sorry ahead of time if this offends anyone.

Ever notice how Asians don't want to play with the rest of the world? You could join an Asian room in DOA Ultimate and that room would be all chatty and fun until you said something in English. Then you could hear the crickets come out. So why would any Japanese company come out with another Live enabled fighter that Japan won't embrace? If Virtua Fighter or Tekken bombed in Japan because of the online play, there might not be any more iterations of our beloved franchises.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']First you and I both know that's not gonna happen, putting it on the PS2. And splitting it's fanbase? That's a joke right? Japanese people would BUY a Wii regardless and not complain if FFXIII is on the PS3. They DON'T care. And while the enhanced graphics garned higher sales than expected in the U.S. note how quickly they price dropped it, had sales on it even. I don't think the extra time in development for PS3 would be worth it to EnixSquare in terms of the extra profit they MIGHT yield from the U.S. FFXIII U.S. and perhaps even Japanese expect high level graphics.
To shine the light further on your fanbase comment are you referring to the U.S. fans? If you are I truly doubt DQVIII created a substantial fanbase and even one that ties in heavily with the FF one. If so that would be a terrible thing since most of them would unequivocally say DQVIII was the best one ever made, perhaps even after playing all the previous one's.[/QUOTE]

End of 2005 hardware sales

Japan/Asia

PS2 - 22.8 million

Gamecube - 3.9 million

This is clearly a sign that most people aren't buying multiple consoles. Just because it's Nintendo doesn't mean it automatically sells. DQ9 would obviously bump up Wii sales, but most people like myself prefer to buy one console. I would hate for DQ9 to go to Wii, not because I'm loyal to Sony, but because I'm put into a situation where I might have to buy a console for one game or do without it. I would much rather put that money into PS3 games or a 360 console.

Dragon Quest is a very basic game, the motion controller brings nothing to that game. If PS2 has all the turn-based games what is the point in putting DQ8 on the Gamecube? If PS3 does the same thing again and offers all the turn-based games what's the point in putting it on the Wii? I like turn-based so I bought a PS2.

And DQ8 sold around 400,000-500,000 in NA. Quick price drops or not, that's hardly a failure.
 
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And DQ8 sold around 400,000-500,000 in NA. Quick price drops or not, that's hardly a failure.[/QUOTE]

DQ 8 was called a failure by Square Enix themselves.. someone high up in the company made mention in an interview that they were "disappointed" in DQ 8's sales in America.
 
[quote name='zerolens']I think the launch price of PS3 vs. PS2 in Japan is something like $80 (someone correct me if I'm wrong). I don't think the memory card is factored into the price of that PS2 either. Here there is around a $200 difference vs. US PS2 launch, there the PS3 is less than $100 difference I think. After the price cut I don't think Japan will mind the PS3 price too much.[/QUOTE]
After the price cut on the 20GB model, the difference between the 20GB PS3 and the PS2 is 10,000 yen (so yes, around $85). The difference with the 60GB model is 20,000 yen, or around $170.

In the US, the PS2 debuted at $299, so it's a difference of $200-$300 depending on the unit you choose.

[quote name='depascal22']Ever notice how Asians don't want to play with the rest of the world? You could join an Asian room in DOA Ultimate and that room would be all chatty and fun until you said something in English. Then you could hear the crickets come out. So why would any Japanese company come out with another Live enabled fighter that Japan won't embrace? If Virtua Fighter or Tekken bombed in Japan because of the online play, there might not be any more iterations of our beloved franchises.[/QUOTE]

So let me get this straight, you are playing with a bunch of Japanese players and start speaking English to them and you think that because they don't respond they are xenophobic or something? Did it ever occur to you that they simply don't speak English very well (or at all).
 
[quote name='Roufuss']DQ 8 was called a failure by Square Enix themselves.. someone high up in the company made mention in an interview that they were "disappointed" in DQ 8's sales in America.[/QUOTE]

They should have called it Final Fantasy, then it would have been a million + seller in the US. In Japan DQ>FF, everywhere else FF>DQ. I had friends that bought Dirge of Cerebus or whatever it's called because it was Final Fantasy yet I told them to check out Dragon Quest and they laughed at me.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']DQ 8 was called a failure by Square Enix themselves.. someone high up in the company made mention in an interview that they were "disappointed" in DQ 8's sales in America.[/QUOTE]

Thank you Roufuss for helping verify it will probably be on Wii.

Zero there's no breaking of a fanbase in Japan with FF and DQ being on different systems. Dragon Quest is a system seller which means it doesn't matter WHAT system it goes to or what the userbase of that respective system is. In fact the big concern is making sure you have enough systems on hand to satisfy demand.
Look at RE4 for GC, people BOUGHT a GC for it and the #'s surpassed what Capcom expected.
edit: It's not about the motion controller, it's about the dev. costs Zero.
 
By your logic SE is already morons for putting Final Fantasy 13 on PS3. The series is a system seller to a lot of people, put it on the console that's cheapest to develop for and call it a day. They didn't. Most people here talk how the PS3 costs too much and how people will wait a long time before they buy one, if ever, or until they can afford it. You can bet they are spending big money on FF13 and putting a lot manpower and effort into it and the White Engine. Guess what? It's going to the PS3 and they are spending big money on FF13.

Also by your logic DQ9 is a system seller and Japanese will buy it no matter the console, since SE has no problem putting FF13 on PS3 why not DQ9 on the PS3? 360 so far is getting an old game in FF11 and that shooter game, Wii is getting spin-offs of DQ and FF. PS3 has already picked up one main game (the true system seller) in FF13, why is it DQ won't necessarily follow FF13 to the same console?

Bottomline your guess is as good as mine, but the main Final Fantasy and DQ games have not only had a history of going to the same console, but SE has already proven it's willing to spend extra money on a game and not go the cheapest possible way. Final Fantasy is not small potatoes in Japan so don't even go there, hardly nothing compares to DQ in Japan but FF13 is not leftovers there or anywhere else in the world.

Also why would someone like Nippon Ichi who is not known for their graphics go for the PS3 with Makai Wars? If Square is pushing their major games on PS3 then it's in their best interest to make sure Japanese are picking up the PS3. What better way than putting DQ9 on it? Japanese now own the hardware to buy FF13 and other White Engine games.

The numbers I showed prove most people are NOT buying multiple consoles. With the high cost of developing PS3 games and the higher cost of the console itself, why not put DQ9 on it to make sure the console sells? You can't sell FF13 if people aren't buying the hardware.
 
[quote name='zerolens']By your logic SE is already morons for putting Final Fantasy 13 on PS3. The series is a system seller to a lot of people, put it on the console that's cheapest to develop for and call it a day.

Also by your logic DQ9 is a system seller and Japanese will buy it no matter the console, since SE has no problem putting FF13 on PS3 why not DQ9 on the PS3?

Also why would someone like Nippon Ichi who is not known for their graphics go for the PS3 with Makai Wars? If Square is pushing their major games on PS3 then it's in their best interest to make sure Japanese are picking up the PS3. What better way than putting DQ9 on it? Japanese now own the hardware to buy FF13 and other White Engine games.

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You don't get it. The FF example you're trying to apply in terms of systems doesn't work because of the style of the games. Final Fantasy, ever since 7, has relied on a showy presentation which wowed a whole set of people new to the FF universe here and now makes up the bulk of the crowd that plays Final Fantasy games in the U.S. That being said it's expected of Square to create the most aesthetically pleasing product they can, hence the most high tech system at the time, the choices being the PS3 or 360 and you know how the Japanese feel towards Gaijin product when it comes to their gaming. Honestly I don't know if the Japanese would care as much but I'm sure the GameFAQ tools that go gaga over FF7 would bitch. You need to understand both games are different and focus on different aspects respectively.
I understand what you mean about product placement but regardless if they split them up accordingly the Japanese WILL buy both, that's where I think you're mistaken.
Nippon Ichi I think may go with where the wind is blowing at the time and has a real shot of migrating to the Wii or even the 360. Personally I think it would be a shame if MS missed this opportunity to gain an additional source of revenue. Frankly Atlus and Nippon Ichi fans eat all their new stuff up. Word of advice after "Blue Dragon" comes out, MS or Nippon Ichi release "Spectral Force 3" translated a month or two after.
 
Props to you sarang, you were right on. DQ9 has been announced today for the DS. The game is simply about money apparently. I don't like handhelds and don't want to play on a small screen so that's pretty much it for me as far as DQ goes.
 
Square is only disappointed at DQ8 because they had high expectation. They shipped out 1 million copies and only sold 400,000 copies. The game is good enough to reach GH, only RPGs like .hack part 1, Dark Cloud, FFX, FFX-2, KH, KH2, the Xenosagas and Star Ocean is able to do.
 
[quote name='icruise']So let me get this straight, you are playing with a bunch of Japanese players and start speaking English to them and you think that because they don't respond they are xenophobic or something? Did it ever occur to you that they simply don't speak English very well (or at all).[/quote]

No, no, no. I know the difference between someone not understanding my english but still wanting to prove their skills and out and out hate because I'm American. When there's nothing but silence and then someone says, "Get out, American.", I equate that with xenophobia. I've played with people from all over the world but I'll say it again, Asians tend to be more xenophobic. I'm sincerely hoping that they can drop the anti-Americanism and just enjoy games regardless of who developed the game or who is playing with them.
 
[quote name='depascal22']No, no, no. I know the difference between someone not understanding my english but still wanting to prove their skills and out and out hate because I'm American. When there's nothing but silence and then someone says, "Get out, American.", I equate that with xenophobia. I've played with people from all over the world but I'll say it again, Asians tend to be more xenophobic. I'm sincerely hoping that they can drop the anti-Americanism and just enjoy games regardless of who developed the game or who is playing with them.[/QUOTE]

I know EXACTLY where you are coming from... back when FFXI first launched, very very few Japanese players would play with US players.

I had to quit the game because the only time I could play was 3 am my time, and the only people on would be a ton of Japanese. It was impossible to find a group when all I heard was "NO AMERICANS" or "WE DONT PLAY US" and they would go out of their way to avoid grouping with me.
 
[quote name='depascal22']No, no, no. I know the difference between someone not understanding my english but still wanting to prove their skills and out and out hate because I'm American. When there's nothing but silence and then someone says, "Get out, American.", I equate that with xenophobia. I've played with people from all over the world but I'll say it again, Asians tend to be more xenophobic. I'm sincerely hoping that they can drop the anti-Americanism and just enjoy games regardless of who developed the game or who is playing with them.[/quote]

So do you know Japanese language? How did you know they were Japanese and not Chinese/Taiwanese, Korean, or Thai? These countries have easy access to the XBOX360. When you say "Asian", you have to specify exactly and provide proof because you don't want to be branded as the xenophobe instead.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']So do you know Japanese language? How did you know they were Japanese and not Chinese/Taiwanese, Korean, or Thai? These countries have easy access to the XBOX360. When you say "Asian", you have to specify exactly and provide proof because you don't want to be branded as the xenophobe instead.[/quote]

I didn't know exactly which language they spoke. That's why I said Asian instead of Japanese, Korean, etc. You can brand me as a xenophobe all you want but I said nothing xenophobic. Maybe I'm being a little stereotypical but even Roufuss has said that he knows what I'm talking about. As adults, we should be able to discuss these issues without one side coming out and name calling. You demand proof but offer none of your own.

The fact of the matter is that Asians support Asian businesses and very little else. The only American things that the Asians seem to tolerate is rap/pop music and movies. If you're not the Wu-Tang Clan, you're not going to be able to play online with Asians.

Now you could go and say that I'm racist and xenophobic but the fact is that I've TRIED to play with Asians. I've gone out of my way to play them in DOA and KOF but they don't want me to play with them. How am I being xenophobic? I'd like to test my fighting game skills against the vaunted Japanese but they won't even give me the chance. I could see if it was a couple guys here and there that didn't want to play anyone that wasn't Asian, but I've NEVER played any Asian on Xbox Live. Is this coincidence?

You say you want proof and all that nonsense? Go look at the sales figures. The 360 was outsold in Japan by the friggin GBA. The GBA! Why would anyone look at a great system and say, "You know what? I need another Game boy Advance SP!" It's ridiculous that an entire country would crap all over a system because it's made in America.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I could see if it was a couple guys here and there that didn't want to play anyone that wasn't Asian, but I've NEVER played any Asian on Xbox Live. Is this coincidence? [/QUOTE]
No it's not. Also, all 128,000,000 people of Japan hate you. Along with the 1.3 billion in China. Don't bother trying to play with us "Asians" again.
 
[quote name='bugg33']No it's not. Also, all 128,000,000 people of Japan hate you. Along with the 1.3 billion in China. Don't bother trying to play with us "Asians" again.[/quote]

Ok. You are an embarassment.

[quote name='depascal22']
Now you could go and say that I'm racist and xenophobic but the fact is that I've TRIED to play with Asians. I've gone out of my way to play them in DOA and KOF but they don't want me to play with them. How am I being xenophobic? I'd like to test my fighting game skills against the vaunted Japanese but they won't even give me the chance.[/quote]

Chances are, they were not Japanese. They won't even touch a fighting game if there is any lag disadvantage.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']Chances are, they were not Japanese. They won't even touch a fighting game if there is any lag disadvantage.[/quote]

KOF Neowave and 02/03 are some of the least laggy games around. It doesn't matter which game it is, there is always resistance to playing with Americans. Hopefully, the 360 will be better but the original Xbox Live was no multinational utopia.
 
The only online games I've ever played with Asians are DOA4 and DOA:U, but I've never had any problems. I've taken shit from the French, though.
 
[quote name='depascal22']KOF Neowave and 02/03 are some of the least laggy games around. It doesn't matter which game it is, there is always resistance to playing with Americans. Hopefully, the 360 will be better but the original Xbox Live was no multinational utopia.[/QUOTE]

See: FFXI

I've also seen it in World of Warcraft where the asian players are very... standoffish and just keep to their small cliques.
 
[quote name='depascal22']
The fact of the matter is that Asians support Asian businesses and very little else. The only American things that the Asians seem to tolerate is rap/pop music and movies. If you're not the Wu-Tang Clan, you're not going to be able to play online with Asians.
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Bullshit, at least as far as Japan is concerned. I have lived in Japan for 5 years and I speak Japanese, so I think I know a little bit about the matter. I have NEVER had anyone behave to me in the way you are suggesting. However, I do know that most Japanese people are very uncomfortable with the idea of speaking in English (even though they study it in school, they have very little in the way of communication skills). I've played online games with Japanese people (D&D online for example) and it was almost funny how relieved they would be when they found out I spoke Japanese.

In general, Japanese people LOVE the US and in fact they import all kinds of things, like food, clothes, music, movies, books (in translation, of course) and more. If Japanese people don't buy games from the US, it's simply because Japanese games appeal to them more. And don't forget that foreign games usually get sub-standard localization in Japan.

I could see if it was a couple guys here and there that didn't want to play anyone that wasn't Asian, but I've NEVER played any Asian on Xbox Live. Is this coincidence?
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I find that hard to believe, considering that I see Japanese people on there quite a bit (you can tell from the user name in many cases). Are you using Xbox Live at a time of day when Asian people are likely to be using it (late night-early morning in the US)?

You say you want proof and all that nonsense? Go look at the sales figures. The 360 was outsold in Japan by the friggin GBA. The GBA! Why would anyone look at a great system and say, "You know what? I need another Game boy Advance SP!" It's ridiculous that an entire country would crap all over a system because it's made in America.
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Let me let you in on a little secret. The GBA outsold the Xbox 360 in America as well!. The Xbox 360 sold 511,000 units in November. The GBA sold 641,000 units. I suppose Americans are anti-American as well? It couldn't be that the systems are totally different, with wildly different prices and target audiences, could it?
 
depascal, you gotta look at it this way: America is THE most heterogenous and most acceptable of other people. Sure, it's still rocky and we've got illegal aliens, racial profiling, discrimination, etc., but it's still ten times better than anywhere else in the world. The point is that other cultures are not so comfortable with the idea of heterogeneity yet eventhough they may not be discriminatory or a supreme nationalist. That's why you and I are willing to throw down with anyone while someone else may feel more comfortable playing with their "own kind".

Let's not be too quick to jump to conclusions because I've been in games where a whole room full of Americans are talking smack to the 2-3 persons who are speaking French, telling them to STFU and speak English.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Who gives a shit if the Japanese are digging on the 360 or not... all of my favorite games this November came from US / European developers, and it sure as hell wasn't the Japanese that helped Gears of War crack 1 million sales so quickly.

It would be nice to get some Japanese developer support, but the 360 is doing just fine in terms of games without it, imo.[/QUOTE]

Agreed...It's not like the olden days where every hot game was developed in Japan...I hope the system catches on, but am a realist...Just like the Turboduo/PC Engine was never hot over here...That's just the way it goes sometimes.
 
I am just really curious what it would take to make the 360 become "hot" in Japan. Obviously the Japanese are far different culturally when it comes to supporting the home-town tech.

But I just really really wonder what it would take statistically to make the 360 become super hot there. Square goes exclusive? Capcom goes exclusive?

Even if the 360 had EVERY PS3 exclusive, and cost half the price of the PS3, I still don't think that would be enough to make it popular. That's how bad I think it is. I seriously think the Japanese would perfer to stick with their DS and not buy a next gen if the PS3 became abysmal.
 
It will sadly never catch on in Japan...The japanese market it just different than ours...It always has been...I think Microsoft is coming to grips with that...I doubt that a US console maker will ever own the Japanese market
 
[quote name='dserafin1986']It will sadly never catch on in Japan...The japanese market it just different than ours...It always has been...I think Microsoft is coming to grips with that...I doubt that a US console maker will ever own the Japanese market[/QUOTE]

Seriously?


Come on, anyone..... come up with a scenario, no matter how unrealistic or fanciful, that you think would make the 360 succeed in Japan.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I know EXACTLY where you are coming from... back when FFXI first launched, very very few Japanese players would play with US players.

I had to quit the game because the only time I could play was 3 am my time, and the only people on would be a ton of Japanese. It was impossible to find a group when all I heard was "NO AMERICANS" or "WE DONT PLAY US" and they would go out of their way to avoid grouping with me.[/QUOTE]

They've warmed up a bit but still don't like grouping with English speakers, now you'll see messages like "Please use the auto-translate function" or "I understand a little." It's still hard to get a Japanese player to go on missions but at least they are starting to party with English speakers.
 
[quote name='nintendokid']depascal, you gotta look at it this way: America is THE most heterogenous and most acceptable of other people. Sure, it's still rocky and we've got illegal aliens, racial profiling, discrimination, etc., but it's still ten times better than anywhere else in the world. The point is that other cultures are not so comfortable with the idea of heterogeneity yet eventhough they may not be discriminatory or a supreme nationalist. That's why you and I are willing to throw down with anyone while someone else may feel more comfortable playing with their "own kind".

Let's not be too quick to jump to conclusions because I've been in games where a whole room full of Americans are talking smack to the 2-3 persons who are speaking French, telling them to STFU and speak English.[/QUOTE]

We're also the country that the rest of the world hates because we ignore the fact that we're not the only country out there. We're pretty bad.
 
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