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Yeah, you're right. And to be fair, I have a confession to make. I, too, wear kneepads each and every day of my life. They're comfortable, they add an extra layer of warmth during the cold season, and you never know when you're going to plot to destroy Nexus next. So I can see why he's wearing them.
 
Well to be fair guys. The situation between Cena and Nexus was played purely for laughs last night and I found it quite enjoyable.

Between the incredible "saw something purple run past me and thought it was grimace" line Punk threw out at Cena (when he interfered in the tag match) to the hokey way he showed up at Otunga's room and posed "Here I am" - it was clear everything was played for laughs. My friend actually spent the better part of last night laughing during RAW because it was all so tongue-in-cheek hilarious - which is more than I can say for being bored out of my mind during the typically predictable RAW.

This ain't "No Country for Old Men". It was entertaining though and I can live with that. Sorry that some of you can't.
 
See, the argument that it's played for laughs just doesn't work. The only way I can let that slide is if the whole angle had been played for laughs, which Cena/Nexus certainly wasn't. It was a fairly serious storyline up until a week ago, and that's what annoys me.

That, and again, don't even write shit about 'fired' stipulations if you aren't even going to make a follow through effort at all. We know it's not real, but at least PRETEND for a fucking week.

This storyline suddenly became NXT Season 3 after that "heartfelt" goodbye speech, and I have no idea why.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']The best part of this angle is Punk continually pointing out how ridiculous it is.[/QUOTE]

This is why I watched RAW. I hope they keep Punk on commentary for awhile -- even if Josh Matthews is there, he adds to it at times. Especially when Josh called Punk "Miz". Haha... :applause:
 
Pics from DLC pack 3 which includes alt attires for Cena, Sheamus and CM Punk as well as the ABA Undertaker and the WCW Nitro arena, which is pretty much the Raw arena with a WCW entrance way. The entrance way looks good, the entrance way on top of a regular WWE setup does not. Is it really so hard to drop the set to the floor, make the ramp really small or get rid of it altogether, and drape the black curtains across the entire arena so it doesn't look like there's fans sitting behind it? I guess it's better than nothing, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VugimxtWoQ
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:rofl: I can see Vince McMahon walking up to a bunch of producers just shitting on his in-ring work, looking at the guy's giant, chiseled, glistening body (let's be honest, Vince is totally sorta gay, like strongpimphand style), and says "that kid's got the goooooooods."

The producers stammer and cough a bit, finally eliciting a "yes, sir, of course he does."

Of course they brought him up to TV. His physique gave Vince a boner.[/QUOTE]
lame. as. fuck
 
[quote name='Scorch']Pics from DLC pack 3 which includes alt attires for Cena, Sheamus and CM Punk as well as the ABA Undertaker and the WCW Nitro arena, which is pretty much the Raw arena with a WCW entrance way. The entrance way looks good, the entrance way on top of a regular WWE setup does not. Is it really so hard to drop the set to the floor, make the ramp really small or get rid of it altogether, and drape the black curtains across the entire arena so it doesn't look like there's fans sitting behind it? I guess it's better than nothing, though.
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Nice updates Punk and Sheamus ...his old gear in the game makes him look like a CAW.

As for the Nitro arena I'm guessing they couldn't do anything to the ramp because then they would have to change the entrance animations. I think every PPV in the game has the normal ramp, though the Tribute to the Troops one at least has a smaller stage.
 
Nailed it. Changing that would've entailed changing too much else. Honestly, I'm a big fan, though I would've preferred having it a few games ago when we still had a lot of former WCW guys. I'm sad that we aren't getting an old school Jericho to go with it, but eh.

Taker is nice and all, but I really wish there was a way to have different attired use different music. Between normal, Ministry, and ABA Taker, that's three totally different entrances. Same with people like HHH and HBK, where I'd love to be able to control if they use their normal music or DX.

Still, this year's DLC is better than we've ever gotten, so I won't bitch too much.

They fix the custom music problem with an update yet, by the way?
 
ABA Undertaker = American Bar Association Undertaker?

[quote name='strongpimphand']lame. as. fuck[/QUOTE]

I'm sure most of us thought it was hilarious. :lol:
 
[quote name='cdubb1605']gotta be able to take a joke boss[/QUOTE]
"Joke? You meant dick, didn't you you fucker!?"

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Seth Rollins is no more.
Tyler Black is no more.

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Sam Robins
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As exciting and unique as a slice of straight up Wonder Bread.
 
Yeah... that's pretty bland. I didn't think Seth Rollins was bad. I mean if he was going to have to change his name then It could have been a lot worse... and now it is. :)
 
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[quote name='mykevermin']Seth Rollins is no more.
Tyler Black is no more.

Say hello to
Sam Robins
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As exciting and unique as a slice of straight up Wonder Bread.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to click on it. I know I'll be disappointed. After all, I still remember Scotty Goldman and Braden Walker. Oh, OK, I'll read it.

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The term "WWE creative" is one of the biggest oxymorons I've ever known.
 
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I missed that last night and that is great. Just throwing the drink on the ground. Punk really is the shining part of Raw lately.
 
Just when you think it can't get any better, Kane proves us wrong.

He shoved a "dummy" off of a ledge that happened to actually be Paul Bearer. They're playing it like Bearer is now dead.
 
Two things:

1) I really hope that the reason this has been so poor is because they scrambled after Taker got hurt. Granted, it's been long enough now that it isn't an excuse, but hope springs eternal. Also, I sort of assume they'd be smart enough now to write parallel injury contingency storylines for anything involving Taker or Mysterio.

2) I was excited when Bearer came back. I missed managers so much. What a silly and naive boy I am.
 
[quote name='neocisco']I don't want to click on it. I know I'll be disappointed. After all, I still remember Scotty Goldman and Braden Walker. Oh, OK, I'll read it.

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The term "WWE creative" is one of the biggest oxymorons I've ever known.[/QUOTE]


They used up all their brain cells coming up with Daniel Bryan.
 
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I approve of that....so all is well
 
[quote name='JJSP']Just when you think it can't get any better, Kane proves us wrong.

He shoved a "dummy" off of a ledge that happened to actually be Paul Bearer. They're playing it like Bearer is now dead.
[/QUOTE]

Like he was before they brought him back just to kill him again?
 
[quote name='neocisco']Blackie Tylerson would have legitimately been better.[/QUOTE]
I heard that was his name until Vince found out he wasn't actually black.
 
Raw wasn't bad. It wasn't great or even just good, but it was certainly better than the last Raw I watched. I think the one right after Night of Champions, might even be before then.

CM Punk was amazing on commentary, while Miz makes a pretty decent Champ. I just wish they'd stop the whole cheap MITB cash-ins. Makes the belt look worthless IMO. Speaking of which, I'd take the WWE Championship with just a little bit more seriously if they finally dropped the spinner belt.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']
CM Punk was amazing on commentary, while Miz makes a pretty decent Champ. I just wish they'd stop the whole cheap MITB cash-ins. Makes the belt look worthless IMO. Speaking of which, I'd take the WWE Championship with just a little bit more seriously if they finally dropped the spinner belt.[/QUOTE]

The cash in has to be cheap to be the least bit believable. So far only RVD has cashed in to set up a match. If you could cash in a title math any time, you are going to stack the deck in your favor. And I think any one over 12 wants the belt changed. :)
 
Alright, this is about Cena again. I know, I know.

I've been thinking about it, mainly because this Cena/Nexus storyline is something that has actively pissed me off. It's been a while since WWE or even TNA has done that. Sure, there are always things that are a little 'off', but this is just such a slap in the face to the fans, to logic, to the industry, that it's almost turned me off to WWE entirely. I'm aware that's an empty threat, but I'll just pretend I'm Cena and that nothing I agree to matters.

It goes back to the larger issue that is killing the industry, and that's the fact that nothing matters anymore. The death of kayfabe and the rise of 'sports entertainment' have slowly eroded what drew people into wrestling in the first place. One of the points that anyone running a wrestling company should make to their employees is that it shouldn't matter if the fans know it's real, what matters is that we present it like it is. I think, deep down, we all want to believe in it again. Not in a naive mark way, but in the way we watched it when we were younger, when things were consistent, and matches meant something no matter what they were for. When you present a competition, you need to maintain the ruse that it *is* one, and that's one of the things that has gotten increasingly worse. Belts are marginalized. Champions are marginalized. I had to just go look up who the Intercontinental Champion was, and that made me sad.

This Cena storyline plays into this on such a base level that it disgusts me. I get it, guys, Cena is the golden goose. The entire company is based around him, but them being scared to pull him off TV for even a week should scare every single fan in this thread. Think about the far-reaching implications of that. They wrote a storyline that was designed for, and had been used for ages to, get guys off TV. Why would you even write this for someone you never planned to follow through with? At least take him off TV for a week, or at the bare minimum don't still treat him like an employee.

There's a huge lack of logic in wrestling now, and that bugs me. It goes back to the fact that nothing means anything now, because there are no rules. When you present a world, whether it's wrestling, movies, or TV, you need to create a set of rules that govern it. Wrestling no longer has that. Things that happen one week have zero bearing the next. It's a bad way to write, and wrestling needs to be better than that. There needs to be consistency, or the whole thing falls apart.

Let's go back to the Cena thing again... where is the logic? Ok, the GM grants Wade Barrett power to fire Cena. Fine. What, exactly, gives Barrett sole authority to hire him back? Does the GM supercede every single person in the entire company? We can run with Vince being in a coma, but then who is running the company? Where is Stephanie? It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Another point that I make is, well, why does the Raw GM have so much authority that he can effectively fire Cena altogether? Have we not always pretended that Raw and Smackdown were different? Shouldn't we have Teddy Long at least making overtures to the biggest free agent EVER? Now, that's all basic stuff. Let's even go further and talk about the fact that Cena is running roughshod over everything. He apparently hangs out backstage. He hides under the ring. He jumps the barrier. HE GETS TO CELEBRATE TO HIS THEME MUSIC IN THE RING. Either they need to explain that a higher power is behind him, or this is just fucked up to a point of no return. Nexus has been attacking people, but paid employees shouldn't be letting non-employees do any of this stuff. Also, where is the GM? Should they not be getting involved? If a 'fan' keeps interfering, shouldn't he at the very least have them arrested, or perhaps announce that if John Cena EVER wants to work there again he should, I don't know, stop committing crimes against the people the GM is overseeing?

This is some serious Swiss cheese shit.

Logic gaps aside, the bigger problem of the past two weeks is Cena himself. Jokey Cena needs to be stopped. He undercuts every single thing he's involved in, and it kills the heat and credibility of everyone he touches. He's like a dick Superman. Honestly, would people be behind Superman if, while sneak-attacking Lex Luthor, he was making quips and mocking him for not being able to stop him? We're aware that, even though there's this huge 'no bullying' push everywhere, that Cena is, effectively, a cliche high school bully? I don't know, maybe I'm projecting, but there's just something about the joking and the Blue Chipper smile that rubs me the wrong way. There's no good feeling in Superman overcoming odds that were never stacked against him. Then, to be joking and smiling about how ineffective his foils are? It's not a good recipe.

Plus, they've taken the joking too far, especially for an up-to-this-point serious storyline. When he jumped into that hotel room, it reminded me of the hammy shit I'd do in skits back in junior high to get a cheap laugh. Honestly, if he winked at the camera, it wouldn't have felt out of place. It's gone from serious to a cartoon in a week. They might as well just go for it and have Nexus chase Cena around backstage, all set to Yakety Sax. That's where we are with this shit, anyway.

To sort of finish this out, it's again indicative of a larger problem. Not only do belts, stipulations, and feuds mean nothing... Cena is untouchable, and they're letting him act like it. If there are consequences in a world, they need to count for everyone, or it just fails on every level. Like I said, the fact that they wouldn't even take him off TV for a week is very telling about how they really view the younger talent. Sure, they can talk about this youth push all that want, but they're absolutely terrified that if Cena doesn't show up for a week that people will turn it off. It's what happens when you don't build anyone else up. They honestly believe that if you go to a show and Cena isn't there, people will stop watching, and that's a frightening mindset. Talking about previous golden geese, it's hard not to go back to Attitude Era and point at that as a time when the golden goose was treated the way they should be. Austin was important, and he was the money-maker. There's no way around that, but it also didn't mean that if Austin wasn't at Raw, you demanded a refund. Why? If Austin wasn't there, it's a pretty good bet you got to see some combination of The Rock, Taker, Foley, or HHH. You still got main-event talent. Now, if Cena and Orton are both off a show, they're fucked. And, really, if Raw is fucked, what about Smackdown? I mean, christ, this is a show that is giving us two months of Edge vs. Kane. This is a very serious problem, and one that they need to rectify right now. Have some faith in the audience, and throw a new guy out there. It might work, it might not, but these stutter-stop pushes are making it worse. My big 'crazy' theory is that Vince, of all people, got spooked when Lashley left. He was the guy that was being pushed to the moon, the guy anointed to be the next Cena, and he gave it all up and left. To a lesser extent, the same sort of thing happened with Hardy. I feel as if Vince is so worried about putting time behind people that are untested as 'long-timers' that he's stopped pushing anyone. It's back to the territory days... you trust family, you trust company men. It's not a model that the current business needs.

That was a much longer post than I intended, but I wanted to get some things out. This storyline just epitomizes everything I dislike about the current wrestling industry, and it's truly rubbed me the wrong way. I say that as someone who knows they aren't the target audience anymore, but when something is almost blatantly offensive to the intellgence of the audience, I just need to rant. What scares me is that the crowds are eating it up, and that truly frightens because of the bearing it has on where WWE is headed.
 
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007 proves once again why he's one of the smartest guys in the wrestling thread. Just a few weeks ago we were all excited to see where they'd go with this Cena/Nexus angle, and then SS came around and it went absolutely nowhere. Then, Cena gets "fired", gives a 10-minute farewell speech at the end of the next RAW, and then show up the very next week, completely rendering the previous week's events pointless.

Now he's a supposedly unemployed guy who going around BEATING UP WWE EMPLOYEES IN HIS LEISURE TIME, jumping the rails and interfering with matches. Remember what used to happen when a fan or former employee would jump the rails or attack WWE employees?

This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R29OlNOTqN4

And this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7K0oNE8zfo

And this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNv5C3hLK2s

Where the fuck is the logic is this storyline?
 
Stone Cold didn't wear kneepads, and his knees were fucked up for *years*.

Is this the worst storyline of the year? That's a tough question.
 
I was at a Supershow 2 years ago where they had Raw and SD tapings going on. As soon as Cena's match was over, a lot of the kids told their parents they wanted to go home cause they already saw their hero and the parents actually listened and started to leave. Me and my bro told the lady in front of us that there was still another show going to go on soon and she said the only reason she and her son went to the event was so he could see Cena. The power of the Cenation.

I agree 007, they really need to build up more younger superstars cause if something happens to Cena like an injury, they're most likely fucked.
 
Rock - See, that's the stuff that scares me. The Cenation aren't wrestling fans, they're John Cena fans. It's part of why I think the product is suffering, because WWE has made no effort to broaden the views of those people.

Myke - Even though Edge and Kane are making a run of it, that was a non-starter anyway. At least Cena/Nexus had potential, which they've completely tossed away willingly. Also, knees are overrated. Just ask Ric Flair, who is likely to respond with "Kneepads? Oh, you mean shinpads. Woooo."
 
The only way to half-salvage that angle is to reveal that Cena was the GM all along, or it's someone that Cena is currently blowing.
 
Not gonna bother with quoting or multi-qupting anything as i think I would pretty much have to do that for the eniter thread when it comes to this lame ass mess that the whole CeNexus angle has devolved into. To sum it up, it is basicly supposed to be "suspension of disbelief." However, that can only make things work to a point. Even now, if you were to employ the largest quantity of suspension of disbelief to the whole CeNexus angle, it still does not work.

WWE dropped the ball on the whole angle when they did not use any type of security at all to stop any of the interference. That one little thing would have honestly made a HUGE difference in the semi-believablitly of this story

The only reason I can see for WWE not using security and having Cena fight/run/be detained/escape from security/police/etc is because it would no be appropriate in the PG era to have children see thier "Hero" go against the established authority. I mean, honestly, we wouldnt want these young impressionable minds thinking that it is "Cool" to go against the authorites/cops/etc and do crazy things like resist arrest, fight with cops, flee from security guards, and other silly things because they saw it happen on a show where grown men fight against each other in their underwear now would we?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Dang, those WM Blu-Rays are just *never* gonna drop in price. I still don't own WM25 or 26 in any shape or form.[/QUOTE]

A while back WM25 was $19.99
 
[quote name='neocisco']Rick Steiner, Board of Education member, was quoted in today's local paper.

That's all.[/QUOTE]
I....what...?
 
[quote name='Spyder187']
The only reason I can see for WWE not using security and having Cena fight/run/be detained/escape from security/police/etc is because it would no be appropriate in the PG era to have children see thier "Hero" go against the established authority. I mean, honestly, we wouldnt want these young impressionable minds thinking that it is "Cool" to go against the authorites/cops/etc and do crazy things like resist arrest, fight with cops, flee from security guards, and other silly things because they saw it happen on a show where grown men fight against each other in their underwear now would we?[/QUOTE]

:sigh: Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me at all if that was their justification. The Attitude era seems like a lifetime ago...
 
I disagree - part of the Cena character is inherently anti-authoritarian (seeing as how the mysterious GM is portrayed as a heel).

I wouldn't overthink the lack of security - didn't Barrett "invite" him into the ring, meaning that security wouldn't be involved? Ultimately, what's clear is WWE Creative are taking a substantial number of pisspoor shortcuts to continue their story.

I agree about the suspension of disbelief. I wouldn't bat an eye if WWE used a good ol' classic Shakespeare-era deus ex machina to put Cena back in the role of 'employee' next week.
 
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