Jury decides that threat of global warming justifies breaking the law

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The threat of global warming is so great that campaigners were justified in causing more than £35,000 worth of damage to a coal-fired power station, a jury decided yesterday. In a verdict that will have shocked ministers and energy companies the jury at Maidstone Crown Court cleared six Greenpeace activists of criminal damage.


Jurors accepted defence arguments that the six had a "lawful excuse" to damage property at Kingsnorth power station in Kent to prevent even greater damage caused by climate change. The defence of "lawful excuse" under the Criminal Damage Act 1971 allows damage to be caused to property to prevent even greater damage – such as breaking down the door of a burning house to tackle a fire.

The not-guilty verdict, delivered after two days and greeted with cheers in the courtroom, raises the stakes for the most pressing issue on Britain's green agenda and could encourage further direct action.

Kingsnorth was the centre for mass protests by climate camp activists last month. Last year, three protesters managed to paint Gordon Brown's name on the plant's chimney. Their handi-work cost £35,000 to remove.

The plan to build a successor to the power station is likely to be the first of a new generation of coal-fired plants. As coal produces more of the carbon emissions causing climate change than any other fuel, campaigners claim that a new station would be a disastrous setback in the battle against global warming, and send out a negative signal to the rest of the world about how serious Britain really is about tackling the climate threat.

But the proposals, from the energy giant E.ON, are firmly backed by the Business Secretary, John Hutton, and the Energy minister, Malcolm Wicks. Some members of the Cabinet are thought to be unhappy about them, including the Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, and the Environment Secretary, Hilary Benn. Mr Brown is likely to have the final say on the matter later this year.

During the eight-day trial, the world's leading climate scientist, Professor James Hansen of Nasa, who had flown from American to give evidence, appealed to the Prime Minister personally to "take a leadership role" in cancelling the plan and scrapping the idea of a coal-fired future for Britain. Last December he wrote to Mr Brown with a similar appeal. At the trial, he called for an moratorium on all coal-fired power stations, and his hour-long testimony about the gravity of the climate danger, which painted a bleak picture, was listened to intently by the jury of nine women and three men.

Professor Hansen, who first alerted the world to the global warming threat in June 1988 with testimony to a US senate committee in Washington, and who last year said the earth was in "imminent peril" from the warming atmosphere, asserted that emissions of CO2 from Kings-north would damage property through the effects of the climate change they would help to cause.

He was one of several leading public figures who gave evidence for the defence, including Zac Goldsmith, the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Richmond Park and director of the Ecologist magazine, who similarly told the jury that in his opinion, direct action could be justified in the minds of many people if it was intended to prevent larger crimes being committed.

The acquittal was the second time in a decade that the "lawful excuse" defence has been successfully used by Greenpeace activists. In 1999, 28 Greenpeace campaigners led Lord Melchett, who was director at the time, were cleared of criminal damage after trashing an experimental field of GM crops in Norfolk. In each case the damage was not disputed – the point at issue was the motive.

The defendants who scaled the 630ft chimney at Kingsnorth, near Hoo, last year were Huw Williams, 41, from Nottingham; Ben Stewart, 34, from Lyminge, Kent; Kevin Drake, 44, from Westbury, Wiltshire; Will Rose, 29, from London; and Emily Hall, 34, from New Zealand. Tim Hewke, 48, from Ulcombe, Kent, helped organise the protest.

The court heard how, dressed in orange boiler suits and white hard hats bearing the Greenpeace logo, the six-strong group arrived at the site at 6.30am on 8 October. Armed with bags containing abseiling gear, five of them scaled the chimney while Mr Hewke waited below to liaise between the climbers and police.

The climbers had planned to paint "Gordon, bin it" in huge letters on the side of the chimney, but although they succeeded in temporarily shutting the station, they only got as far as painting the word "Gordon" on the chimney before they descended, having been threatened with a High Court injunction. Removing the graffiti cost E.ON £35,000, the court heard.

During the trial the defendants said they had acted lawfully, owing to an honestly held belief that their attempt to stop emissions from Kingsnorth would prevent further damage to properties worldwide caused by global warming. Their aim, they said, was to rein back CO2 emissions and bring urgent pressure to bear on the Government and E.ON to changes policies. They insisted their action had caused the minimum amount of damage necessary to close the plant down and constituted a "proportionate response" to the increasing environmental threat.

Speaking outside court after being cleared yesterday, Mr Stewart said: "This is a huge blow for ministers and their plans for new coal-fired power stations. It wasn't only us in the dock, it was the coal-fired generation as well. After this verdict, the only people left in Britain who think new coal is a good idea are John Hutton and Malcolm Wicks. It's time the Prime Minister stepped in, showed some leadership and embraced the clean energy future for Britain."

He added: "This verdict marks a tipping point for the climate change movement. When a jury of normal people say it is legitimate for a direct action group to shut down a coal-fired power station because of the harm it does to our planet, then where does that leave Government energy policy? We have the clean technologies at hand to power our economy. It's time we turned to them instead of coal."

Ms Hall said: "The jury heard from the most distinguished climate scientist in the world. How could they ignore his warnings and reject his leading scientific arguments?"

http://www.independent.co.uk/enviro...arming-justifies-breaking-the-law-925561.html

All I can say is. AWESOME!
 
Good stuff. I always felt like if someone is smoking near you and they refuse to put it out or move you should be able to physically remove the cigarette from them in self-defense.
This is just like that only on a larger scale.
 
[quote name='HowStern']Good stuff. I always felt like if someone is smoking near you and they refuse to put it out or move you should be able to physically remove the cigarette from them in self-defense.
This is just like that only on a larger scale.[/QUOTE]

i really really hope youre joking.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']i really really hope youre joking.[/quote]

Ever think it was part jury nullification due to the ridiculous assertion that cleaning up the paint cost £35,000?

British people don't stand for that rubbish, they know the government should serve the people, not manipulate the people.

Unlike red-state Americans who are too stupid to realize corporations own our current government and think corrupt legislation outlining piracy fines of 200 grand are a fine and dandy punishment for downloading a handful of songs.
 
Are you fucking KIDDING me?

What if I went and beat the shit out of those people and plead innocent because I was doing it to protect the economy from their idiocy?
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']Does this mean it's ok to kill someone if it helps out the planet?
[/QUOTE]

You are likely more right than you know about what the future holds.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']i really really hope youre joking.[/quote]


No.

Why should it be ok for people to poison my air? I have the right to breathe cancer free air.

Edit: SO it's ok to defend yourself if someone hits you why isn't it ok to defend yourself if they are poisoning you? Which is what this company that some of you are defending is doing. Poisoning us. I'm glad the jury did not stand for the corporation pumping pollution into our lungs.
 
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[quote name='DarkSageRK']Does this mean it's ok to kill someone if it helps out the planet?

Oh, Britain.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, the law specifies property...but hey, using this logic I'm sure the 9/11 hijackers could be found innocent.
 
[quote name='camoor']British people don't stand for that rubbish, they know the government should serve the people, not manipulate the people.[/quote]

We taught them that first
(and then promptly forgot the lesson we were teaching)
.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']To be fair, the law specifies property...but hey, using this logic I'm sure the 9/11 hijackers could be found innocent.[/quote]

Your personal being is your property.
 
[quote name='camoor']Ever think it was part jury nullification due to the ridiculous assertion that cleaning up the paint cost £35,000? [/quote]

even if that is the case, that doesnt have anything to do with how's comment, which is what im responding to. though you do bring up the only logical justification.

British people don't stand for that rubbish, they know the government should serve the people, not manipulate the people.

ok, but what does that have to do with a jury acquitting people from vandalizing property of a private entity.

[quote name='HowStern']No.

Why should it be ok for people to poison my air? I have the right to breathe cancer free air.

Edit: SO it's ok to defend yourself if someone hits you why isn't it ok to defend yourself if they are poisoning you? Which is what this company that some of you are defending is doing. Poisoning us. I'm glad the jury did not stand for the corporation pumping pollution into our lungs.[/QUOTE]

you just compared something that is an immediate threat to your well being to something that is a minor inconvenience for a few minutes. im not saying second hand smoke cant be detrimental, but if you think youll get lung cancer from standing next to people outside every so often... well then youre doing something wrong.

i suppose next time youre at a crosswalk and someone stops at a red light in a big truck you should punch the driver or you get a value meal from "insert fast food restaurant" you should kick the cashier, after all they are causing irreparable damage to you...
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']even if that is the case, that doesnt have anything to do with how's comment, which is what im responding to. though you do bring up the only logical justification.

...

ok, but what does that have to do with a jury acquitting people from vandalizing property of a private entity. [/quote]

The case was political from the start.

These guys set out to attack the prime minister on an unpopular policy - so you better believe the government responded in kind. You don't embarass the PM and get lenient treatment - you better believe he was leaning on the DA (or whatever they have in England) to break out the works in terms of charges.

Yeah, they probably should have been fined for how much it actually cost to remove the paint plus a reasonable "punishment" fee. Noone wants a world where vandals walk around free to mark up buildings at will with their political ideals. But 35000 pounds?? (that's 62 grand US!) Heck - I'll be willing to clean it up for half that much, and there are some day laborers down the street who would charge a third of my price.

Besides - from a country with diminishing free speech, protest zones, religious zealotry trumping scientific fact, and corporate control of the government at every level, you can see why I would be hesitant to jump on the one foreign news story where the underdog won and people's hearts were in the right place even if, as a matter of routine legislation, the end result was a bit wonky.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']

you just compared something that is an immediate threat to your well being to something that is a minor inconvenience for a few minutes. im not saying second hand smoke cant be detrimental, but if you think youll get lung cancer from standing next to people outside every so often... well then youre doing something wrong.

i suppose next time youre at a crosswalk and someone stops at a red light in a big truck you should punch the driver or you get a value meal from "insert fast food restaurant" you should kick the cashier, after all they are causing irreparable damage to you...[/quote]

Second hand smoke IS an immediate threat to me, I have asthma. You may have heard of it.
The cancer is just the icing on the cake.

The rest of your post is just ludicrous. Buying a "value meal" is something you choose to do. And cars let out exhaust fumes should you choose to be on the road and driving. There is no other option. People on the other hand CAN put out their cigarettes.
 
Cigarettes will be illegal within the next couple decades. Future generations will look back at this archaic habit and wonder why it ever became popular in the first place. Nobody will have a good answer.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']and you can walk away[/quote]

I'm talking about situations where walking away isn't possible. I work at a warehouse and have to load trucks up with product. The drivers will hang around and make sure you are loading it up right and they stand right next to you and smoke while you are trying to work. I can't walk away, I have to get the truck loaded. And if he refuses to walk away or put the shit out(which they never have, people are generally kind) then I feel it's my right to put it out for him if I have to in self-defense.

hell, even if I could walk away I think the person not smoking has more right to stand somewhere than someone who is smoking. On the basis that the person not smoking isn't doing something harmful to the people around them.

Like koggit said, soon enough the habit will be illegal most everywhere. Here in Boston and most other forward thinking areas of the country it is already illegal to smoke in public establishments.
 
[quote name='Koggit']Cigarettes will be illegal within the next couple decades. Future generations will look back at this archaic habit and wonder why it ever became popular in the first place. Nobody will have a good answer.[/quote]

I 100% agree. That's why we have all these anti-smoking laws in the US. They're slowly moving towards making it illegal.
 
[quote name='Koggit']Cigarettes will be illegal within the next couple decades. Future generations will look back at this archaic habit and wonder why it ever became popular in the first place. Nobody will have a good answer.[/QUOTE]

This is beyond any doubt true, and I for one am extremely happy that society has finally gotten its collective head out of its ass on this issue.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']This is beyond any doubt true, and I for one am extremely happy that society has finally gotten its collective head out of its ass on this issue.[/quote]

Why should smoking be made illegal. That's as idiotic as the war on drugs. Just like the Christian right, legislate anything that offends your delicate sensibilities - didn't work with alcohol or marijuana, what makes you think a ban on cigs will be the magic ticket?
 
[quote name='HowStern'] Here in Boston and most other forward thinking areas of the country it is already illegal to smoke in public establishments.[/QUOTE]

and its killing bars and restaurants
 
[quote name='fart_bubble']and its killing bars and restaurants[/quote]

But it is killing less people inside!
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']But it is killing less people inside![/quote]


haha nice. :)

also, it isn't hurting the bars at all.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12612356

Camoor, you said it didn't work with marijuana...uhhh, marijuana IS illegal. So, it did work :p And you can't drink alcohol in public either. heh you should of thought that point out a little while longer.
If people smoked cigarettes as privately as they did weed I wouldn't have such a prob with cigs 'cause people wouldn't be blowing carcinogens in my face.
It's rude at best. Simple as that.
 
Marijuana is illegal but it's still being used in great numbers. That was camoor's point. Making marijuana illegal didn't make people stop using it. It made it more expensive and less healthy because there's zero government regulation. Don't forget that the federal government were the ones behind filtered cigarettes.

If tobacco becomes illegal, expect the state of North Carolina to secede from the Union again. Tobacco is the state's number one cash crop and criminalizing it will only serve to put the state in a humongous recession. We might even see tobacco riots from incensed farmers and out of work factory workers.
 
[quote name='Koggit']Cigarettes will be illegal within the next couple decades. Future generations will look back at this archaic habit and wonder why it ever became popular in the first place. Nobody will have a good answer.[/QUOTE]People smoke because it's delicious and something to do when hanging out with your friends.

Why do you drink? It fucks up your liver right? It makes people drunk drivers, right?
Remind me, how well did prohibition work?

[quote name='camoor']Why should smoking be made illegal. That's as idiotic as the war on drugs. Just like the Christian right, legislate anything that offends your delicate sensibilities - didn't work with alcohol or marijuana, what makes you think a ban on cigs will be the magic ticket?[/QUOTE]
This.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Marijuana is illegal but it's still being used in great numbers. That was camoor's point. Making marijuana illegal didn't make people stop using it. It made it more expensive and less healthy because there's zero government regulation. Don't forget that the federal government were the ones behind filtered cigarettes.

If tobacco becomes illegal, expect the state of North Carolina to secede from the Union again. Tobacco is the state's number one cash crop and criminalizing it will only serve to put the state in a humongous recession. We might even see tobacco riots from incensed farmers and out of work factory workers.[/quote]

Thanks depascal, I completely agree.

I have a feeling the people forseeing a controversy-free ban on cigs, complete with everyone seeing the light on their cancerous effects, have never lived in the south.
 
[quote name='camoor']Thanks depascal, I completely agree.

I have a feeling the people forseeing a controversy-free ban on cigs, complete with everyone seeing the light on their cancerous effects, have never lived in the south.[/QUOTE]


south nothing, even my "forward thinking" state has tons and tons of smokers.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Next thing you know - battery will be acceptable recourse on someone who farts in your general direction.[/quote]
Hope not, Monty Python would be screwed.:lol:
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I don't think smoking should be illegal. But I do support high taxes on smokes. $10 a pack sounds about right.[/quote]

Agreed. I think it should however be prohibited from being done in public. Smoking in the privacy in your own home, IF YOUR KIDS ARE NOT AROUND YOU, is fine.
Smoking where people who want to breathe clean air will be getting second hand smoke should be illegal. And, yeah people still smoke pot in large numbers but not in public.

Some people keep comparing it to liquor. If someone is drinking next to you it doesn't second-handedly hurt your liver. People don't ingest alcohol and then puke it back up into the air in a noxious cloud exposing people to second hand drinking. The chemicals STAY in their body and not in a cloud in the air for everyone around them to breathe in.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I don't think smoking should be illegal. But I do support high taxes on smokes. $10 a pack sounds about right.[/QUOTE]

Why would you punish someone for smoking though? It's none of your business what they do.


[quote name='HowStern']Agreed. I think it should however be prohibited from being done in public. Smoking in the privacy in your own home, IF YOUR KIDS ARE NOT AROUND YOU, is fine.
Smoking where people who want to breathe clean air will be getting second hand smoke should be illegal. And, yeah people still smoke pot in large numbers but not in public.[/QUOTE]Exhaust fumes are disgusting to me, and cars drive on public roads. Should they be illegal?

I sometimes inhale dust walking by the construction site near where I live. Should that construction site be shut down?
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']south nothing, even my "forward thinking" state has tons and tons of smokers.[/quote]


Not the point. Those people are just addicts that could easily find something else.

I'm talking about tobacco farmers and the people that they employ. Also, cigs are manufactured like anything else so you'd have entire towns that are unemployed because they don't have a job at the cigarette plant. Tobacco in North Carolina is like corn in Iowa. The entire state depends on it for jobs and tax revenue. On the plus side, real estate in North Carolina and any other tobacco farming region will get really cheap.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Not the point. Those people are just addicts that could easily find something else.

I'm talking about tobacco farmers and the people that they employ. Also, cigs are manufactured like anything else so you'd have entire towns that are unemployed because they don't have a job at the cigarette plant. Tobacco in North Carolina is like corn in Iowa. The entire state depends on it for jobs and tax revenue. On the plus side, real estate in North Carolina and any other tobacco farming region will get really cheap.[/QUOTE]

i know what youre saying. i was strictly replying to camoor, his post wasnt as specific as yours.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']Why would you punish someone for smoking though? It's none of your business what they do.


Exhaust fumes are disgusting to me, and cars drive on public roads. Should they be illegal?
[/quote]


1.Because if they are blowing carcinogens in your face then it becomes your business.

2.Yeah, actually, they should be illegal as soon as a cleaner alternative fuel is available at a cheap enough cost for everyone to afford. Right now though it's the only available option and is a necessity. Cigarettes are not a necessity.
 
[quote name='HowStern']1.Because if they are blowing carcinogens in your face then it becomes your business.

2.Yeah, actually, they should be illegal as soon as a cleaner alternative fuel is available at a cheap enough cost for everyone to afford. Right now though it's the only available option and is a necessity. Cigarettes are not a necessity.[/quote]

So maybe a better comparison is alcohol. Ask anyone who's been punched by a drunk or hit by a drunk driver, people who are drinking in your vicinity can impact your health in a very direct and violent way.

Bearing this in mind I think we need to be reasonable when we think about how smoking is regulated.

And as a great comedian once said (paraphrase)

"So now they're outlawing smoking in bars. Let's see - you're sitting in a dark room, drinking poison, trying to have sex with someone you just met. Is this the best time to start thinking about your health?"
 
Well, yeah, it's beyond me that alcohol is legal and something like marijuana isn't. I agree that alcohol is bad too but it doesn't make cigarettes better.

I, also, agree that there should be bars where smoking is allowed for people that want them. The tricky part about that is the employees. The bar would need to hire smokers for employees and then that discriminating against non-smoking people that need a job. It's a catch-22. It would have to be family run or something.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']Why would you punish someone for smoking though? It's none of your business what they do.
[/QUOTE]

Why does the government punish us with gas taxes to drive our cars? Because the logic is we should also help pay for the roads and infrastructure. Just like with smoking, if we have to have it in society, then those that insist on it should be "taxed" to help subsidize the health care system just like gas tax pays for roads.
 
My dad's a smoker, but doesn't want to be. That's been true for fifteen years -- since he started trying to quit. He's tried those timer things, patches, the smokeless cigarettes, etc... he really does want to quit and really has tried. It never works, though. He supports outlawing cigarettes.
 
New York state cigarette prices helped me quit. I just stopped buying them because they were over six bucks a pack. It sucked for a couple months and I would still bum one once in a while but I eventually stopped needing them. Using a credit/debit card at the gas pump is another thing that helps because you don't have to go in get tempted to buy a pack.
 
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