Katherine Harris: Separation of church and state is "a lie" UPDATE She wins primary

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Rep. Harris: Church-state separation 'a lie'

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MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."

The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.

Harris made the comments -- which she clarified Saturday -- in the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention, which interviewed political candidates and asked them about religion and their positions on issues.

Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."

Electing non-Christians a 'legislative sin'

"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said.

Her comments drew criticism, including some from fellow Republicans who called them offensive and not representative of the party.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Florida, who is Jewish, told the Orlando Sentinel that she was "disgusted" by the comments.

Harris' campaign released a statement Saturday saying she had been "speaking to a Christian audience, addressing a common misperception that people of faith should not be actively involved in government."

The comments reflected "her deep grounding in Judeo-Christian values," the statement said, adding that Harris had previously supported pro-Israel legislation and legislation recognizing the Holocaust.

Harris' opponents in the GOP primary also gave interviews to the Florida Baptist Witness but made more general statements on their faith.

Harris, 49, faced widespread criticism for her role overseeing the 2000 presidential recount as Florida's secretary of state.

State GOP leaders -- including Gov. Jeb Bush -- don't think she can win against Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson in November. Fundraising has lagged, frustrated campaign workers have defected in droves and the issues have been overshadowed by news of her dealings with a corrupt defense contractor who gave her $32,000 in illegal campaign contributions.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
[quote name='Xevious']Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.[/quote]

:D

I never heard of this lady but she's obviously mental. It's amazing how high up the political ladder they get.
 
You've never heard of Katherine Harris? I'll admit she doesn't have the exposure presidents or certain senators/congresspeople get, but she was very much in the news, oh, about six years ago. How old are you [asking seriously, not sarcastically?

Anyway, I agree with her basis, but not with the wacky reasoning she uses. The First Amendment does not mean politics/political venues can never refer to God, Allah, Buddha, Cthulhu; it simply means every citizen has the right to practice his religion, or none [of course, if laws are broken in the practice of that religion, you can and should get busted; say, human sacrifice for an alleged Satanist.] Many of the Founders were strong in their faith and beliefs, and felt a conscience based in faith served as a be a good foundation for lawmakers, while not wanting to link any specific religion too tightly with the official 'government'..
 
[quote name='javeryh']:D

I never heard of this lady but she's obviously mental. It's amazing how high up the political ladder they get.[/quote]
She was in charge of the vote count in Florida. Many people attributed her for George Bush winning the election instead of Al Gore.

Here is the Wiki info on her. As you can tell, she got quite a political life:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Harris
 
[quote name='Squall835']More evidence this woman is fucking crazy.[/QUOTE]


You should be able to tell that by looking at her picture.
 
[quote name='Xevious']She was in charge of the vote count in Florida. Many people attributed her for George Bush winning the election instead of Al Gore.
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To be accurate, she was in charge of *certifying* the vote count in FL. As she did, after the original deadline date, which was delayed to allow recounts.

Myke: Maybe you're aware of something I'm not, but where does she suggest 'legislating the Bible'? To me she's saying that living a religious life or having faith does not automatically preclude one from public service [which I agree with], and her implication that by electing Christians, the laws those Christians enact will necessarily be free of sin [which I do not necessarily agree with--though many Christians try to live 'sin free' lives, just as many non-Christians try to live 'good' lives, there are certainly flawed, sinful Christians. Not as many as the anti-religion media wants to make us believe, I don't think; it's just that the 'bad' ones get the press.]
 
I am friends with another "Katherine Harris" and she is ashamed to share the same name with the politician.
 
[quote name='Xevious']The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.[/quote]

Aren't the conservative Christian Republicans the only people who are legislating sin? The other legislators are using polls, philosophy, or science (yes, the latter two are wishful thinking) to form their legislative positions.
 
[quote name='Xevious']I am friends with another "Katherine Harris" and she is ashamed to share the same name with the politician.[/QUOTE]

Please tell me she doesn't wear as much makeup!

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[quote name='elprincipe']Please tell me she doesn't wear as much makeup!

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Here is a question for her: Why do you praise God when God has been so cruel to you?
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Please tell me she doesn't wear as much makeup!

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She looks like a reject from Clown College
 
[quote name='Xevious']She looks like a reject from Clown College[/QUOTE]


you won't hold me back anymore, I'm going to clown college!
 
[quote name='dtcarson'][of course, if laws are broken in the practice of that religion, you can and should get busted; say, human sacrifice for an alleged Satanist.] [/quote]

Not to change the topic or anything, but you should read the Satanic Bible (By Anton Lavey in case you didnt know). You will probably be surprised by alot of it and discover many misconceptions regarding being a satanist. Hell, (no pun intended) you just might convert. Or at least agree with alot of it.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']you won't hold me back anymore, I'm going to clown college![/QUOTE]


pffff clown college...you can't eat that
 
Harris easily wins GOP Senate primary in Florida

MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris overcame a campaign ridiculed even by her own party to easily claim the Republican nomination for the Senate on Tuesday, and Rep. Jim Davis held a narrow lead in the race for the Democratic nomination to succeed popular Gov. Jeb Bush.
Harris next faces an uphill battle against the Democratic incumbent, Sen. Bill Nelson, who had no primary challenger.
"Tonight is great victory for our party and for Florida," Harris said. "It's a great victory because it shows each of us we can overcome adversity to achieve extraordinary victories." (Watch Harris thank supporters, challenge Nelson -- 3:51)
Davis led state Sen. Rod Smith 47 percent to 42 percent, with 80 percent of the precincts reporting. The winner will face Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist, who claimed the Republican nomination to replace Bush.
Crist had 64 percent of the vote to 34 percent for Tom Gallagher, the state's chief financial officer.
Harris had 50 percent of the vote against three relative unknowns. Attorney Will McBride ran second at 30 percent, and retired Navy Adm. LeRoy Collins had 15 percent.
As Florida secretary of state six years ago, Harris oversaw the recount that gave George W. Bush the White House. She became a rising star in the Republican Party, parlaying name recognition into two terms in Congress.
But state GOP leaders tried to talk Harris out of running for the Senate, citing fears she would lose to Nelson while spurring a large November turnout by Democrats, which would hurt the entire Republican ticket. (Watch how Harris' fortunes have changed among Republicans -- 2:12)
Harris' campaign for the nomination was widely derided as spectacularly inept. Fundraising lagged, prompting her to pledge $10 million of her own money. Her makeup, clothes and personality were mocked on national TV. She was linked to a corrupt defense contractor. Staff members kept quitting in frustration.
Still, she won comfortably, thanks to weak opposition and a strong base of Republicans who loved her because of her role in the recount furor.
Some 2 1/2 hours after the polls closed, the 49-year-old congresswoman arrived at her Tampa campaign headquarters to chants of "We want Katherine."
"Tonight I say to Bill Nelson: Come home, Bill. Enough is enough," Harris said. She said the campaign "can't rest for even a moment."
Nelson didn't address Harris' win directly but said in a statement, "I look forward to ... spending the next six years continuing to fight for the people of Florida in the United States Senate."
Despite a handful of late openings at polling places, the primary appeared to be debacle-free, with no problems reported to rival the troubled elections in 2000 and 2002. Rainy weather in South Florida and other parts of the state was expected to reduce turnout figures.
"The primary election in Florida today ran very smoothly," state Division of Elections spokesman Sterling Ivey said.
State Sen. Skip Campbell easily won the Democratic nomination for attorney general over a little-known lawyer who did not campaign. Bill McCollum was unopposed for the Republican nomination.
The Democratic race for governor tightened in recent days, with Smith trying to mount a come-from-behind victory.
Largely unknown when he entered the race, Smith touted his pro-agriculture positions and law enforcement background as a former state attorney. Davis dogged Smith about his connections to big sugar, repeatedly pointing out how U.S. Sugar Corp. spent millions of dollars to fund attack ads.
Crist campaigned as a champion of consumer causes and Bush's policies -- at least when it came to crime, taxes and education. But Crist criticized the governor's decision to intervene in the Terri Schiavo right-to-die case, and said he wouldn't try to change the class-size limits that the governor has opposed.
Bush must step down because of term limits.
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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