Kerry says Terrorists buy their weapons from the US

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"In the al Qaeda manual, they were telling people to go out and buy assault weapons, to come to America and buy assault weapons,'' Kerry told an audience in St. Louis.

Whoever believes that terrorists are gonna come over here to buy weapons instead of getting them from the many terrorist supporting countries and groups in the middle east doesn't deserve to vote this november.

I can picture it now - "hey abdul, my gun broke. Call Southwest and get me a ticket to Texas so I can buy another one."
 
[quote name='bmulligan']guess who made every weapon in the hands of Iraqi insurgents?[/quote]

The French.
 
Wouldn't it be easier if terrorist could buy assault weapons if the ban was lifted (as in using the weapons to attack in the US), than trying to smuggle their illegal arms here?


Edit: actually it be would easier to buy illegal weapons here already...
 
[quote name='ValkyrieVF-1S']Wouldn't it be easier if terrorist could buy assault weapons if the ban was lifted (as in using the weapons to attack in the US), than trying to smuggle their illegal arms here?


Edit: actually it be would easier to buy illegal weapons here already...[/quote]

And then do what with them? Ship them to Iraq or Lebanon?
 
[quote name='ValkyrieVF-1S']To attack on american soil?[/quote]

Of course, I see. The terrorists are here legally so they will be able to legally buy weapons.

Anything else you want to try to do to keep weapons out of the hands of US citizens?

CTL
 
Sometimes I think Kerry is no smarter than Bush. It's one thing to think that terrorists even use American made assault weapons and cmoe all the way here to buy them. But to suggest they obtain via legal means is even more foolish...even most criminals already here in America don't get weapons via legal means, whether are banned or not.
 
You never know what can really happen...

No one would ever believe terrorists could use our own planes as weapons before 9/11...

Plus what if terrorists got some legal citizens to buy assault weapons for them and use the guns here in the US? I am probably wrong, but the possibility is still there.
 
I just don't see that happening, not just for the time it would take and potential trail it would leave. But also because I think buying 15 weapons from a gun smuggler would may even be less expensive than having someone go to the local gunstore. Also, if you were going to conduct some kind of military operation (even a terriost one) you'd want to use the same weapons you trained with, which I'd bet dollars to donuts that those aren't American assault rifles. I mean they don't train a say SWAT team with MP5 rifles and then when they get ready to go out in the field suddenly hand them AK-47s.
 
[quote name='ValkyrieVF-1S']You never know what can really happen...

No one would ever believe terrorists could use our own planes as weapons before 9/11...

Plus what if terrorists got some legal citizens to buy assault weapons for them and use the guns here in the US? I am probably wrong, but the possibility is still there.[/quote]

If if and buts were candy and nuts it would be Christmas all year long.
 
I can see this happening at Southern gun shop.

Bubba: "Hey son, can I help you?"

Abdul: "Please, I would like to be purchasing 15 AK-47's, 75 30 round clips. 1,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition and will be putting it on my VISA card."

Bubba: "Hold on a minute I gotta check the stock room."

Abdul: "Thank you kindly sir."

Bubba: "Hey Jim Bob, some towel head wants to buy 15 AK-47's, 75 30 round clips and 1,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammo!"

Jim Bob: "Well well said the spider to the fly. Bring out the gimp!"

Bubba: "But the gimp's asleep!"

Jim Bob: "Well wake him up!"

And the rest they say.... is history.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I can see this happening at Southern gun shop.

Bubba: "Hey son, can I help you?"

Abdul: "Please, I would like to be purchasing 15 AK-47's, 75 30 round clips. 1,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition and will be putting it on my VISA card."

Bubba: "Hold on a minute I gotta check the stock room."

Abdul: "Thank you kindly sir."

Bubba: "Hey Jim Bob, some towel head wants to buy 15 AK-47's, 75 30 round clips and 1,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammo!"

Jim Bob: "Well well said the spider to the fly. Bring out the gimp!"

Bubba: "But the gimp's asleep!"

Jim Bob: "Well wake him up!"

And the rest they say.... is history.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing while laughing my ass off.
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I can see this happening at Southern gun shop.

Bubba: "Hey son, can I help you?"

Abdul: "Please, I would like to be purchasing 15 AK-47's, 75 30 round clips. 1,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition and will be putting it on my VISA card."

Bubba: "Hold on a minute I gotta check the stock room."

Abdul: "Thank you kindly sir."

Bubba: "Hey Jim Bob, some towel head wants to buy 15 AK-47's, 75 30 round clips and 1,000 rounds of 7.62mm ammo!"

Jim Bob: "Well well said the spider to the fly. Bring out the gimp!"

Bubba: "But the gimp's asleep!"

Jim Bob: "Well wake him up!"

And the rest they say.... is history.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing while laughing my ass off.[/quote]

Careful, some jackass might come call you both racist.
 
I don't understand why you guys are acting like Kerry's statement is so absurd. You were all just talking in another thread about the school hijacking tragedy in Russia. It's not too much of a stretch to say that the same could happen here, and it's really not all that crazy to think that the weapons the terrorists might use in such an attack might be purchased legally. Maybe they would even go out of their way to obtain legally purchased weapons, in attempt to make a statement or something, the same way they tried to in using our own passenger planes against us on 9/11. Who Knows. It's obviously not a conventional war we're fighting here, and given the nature of our enemy, it might be good to have a president who puts protecting America ahead of protecting the gun lobby. Just a thought.
 
No, to be kept safe we need to attack the first ammendment, not the second.

We are much safer with limited free speech than we would be if terrorists couldn't legally but assault weapons right here in our country for use against us.
 
It's very nice that all of you can make your jokes, but what Kerry said is correct: The al Qaeda training manuals that they found advised terrorist cells operating in the US that buying assault weapons would be easy here. These manuals were written before 9/11 when a Middle Easterner wouldn't have aroused as much suspicion buying guns.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']No, to be kept safe we need to attack the first ammendment, not the second.

We are much safer with limited free speech than we would be if terrorists couldn't legally but assault weapons right here in our country for use against us.[/quote]

Ah yes that limited free speech that allowed United for Peace and Justice to demonstrate in NYC during the RNC.....
 
[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='Quackzilla']No, to be kept safe we need to attack the first ammendment, not the second.

We are much safer with limited free speech than we would be if terrorists couldn't legally but assault weapons right here in our country for use against us.[/quote]

Ah yes that limited free speech that allowed United for Peace and Justice to demonstrate in NYC during the RNC.....[/quote]

Your sarcasm detector is broken. :)
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']It's very nice that all of you can make your jokes, but what Kerry said is correct: The al Qaeda training manuals that they found advised terrorist cells operating in the US that buying assault weapons would be easy here. These manuals were written before 9/11 when a Middle Easterner wouldn't have aroused as much suspicion buying guns.[/quote]

So this was written while the ban was in place then? Therego, I doubt their manuals were talking about buying weapons via the legal market, which is what Kerry was talking about. One of the main points is that chances are very slim that they are just going to waltz into a gun shop and buy up rifles, which is pretty much what Kerry is suggesting. I admit guns CAN be obtained for criminals/terrorists too easy here, though illegally from the black market and dirty gun dealers who don't follow the law, but that isn't covered by an assault weapons ban.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']Ah yes that limited free speech that allowed United for Peace and Justice to demonstrate in NYC during the RNC.....[/quote]

http://www.nyclu.org/arresting_protest_042803.html
(Download PDF)

I would say that using q-tips to apply pepper spray to the underside of a protestors eyelid is quite a harsh punishment for excercising Freedom of Speech.

And police driving motorcycles into crowds of protestors (including children!) seems a little too agressive when dealing with peaceful protestors.

But you probably interperet the First Ammendment differently than I do.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='MrBadExample']It's very nice that all of you can make your jokes, but what Kerry said is correct: The al Qaeda training manuals that they found advised terrorist cells operating in the US that buying assault weapons would be easy here. These manuals were written before 9/11 when a Middle Easterner wouldn't have aroused as much suspicion buying guns.[/quote]

So this was written while the ban was in place then? Therego, I doubt their manuals were talking about buying weapons via the legal market, which is what Kerry was talking about. One of the main points is that chances are very slim that they are just going to waltz into a gun shop and buy up rifles, which is pretty much what Kerry is suggesting. I admit guns CAN be obtained for criminals/terrorists too easy here, though illegally from the black market and dirty gun dealers who don't follow the law, but that isn't covered by an assault weapons ban.[/quote]

Thats right, when people brek the law, instead of making the law stronger we should just drop the law.

I saw some guy shoplift from Wal-Mart. I guess all laws against stealing should be dropped too.
 
Quackzilla, how do you extrapolate and transpose other's points and make hyperbolic and illogical analogies in EVERY thread? It has to be purposeful, because no one could be that dense.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']AFLAC!!![/quote]

You people can't actually produce a vald response so you resort o name calling.

PAD, you are supposed to be a middle aged Desert Storm veteran.

Act your age.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']AFLAC!!![/quote]

You people can't actually produce a vald response so you resort o name calling.

PAD, you are supposed to be a middle aged Desert Storm veteran.

Act your age.[/quote]

Your posts never deserve the respect that a valid response implies. Then again, PAD's aren't any better.
 
I'm not going to bother to respond to your post Quackzilla because it doesn't make any kind of sensible response to my points, which had nothing to with making gun control stronger or shoplifting.

I was talking about how terrorists probably aren't going to bother to get weapons legally in America like Kerry suggested they would. MrBadExample used, well a he used somewhat of a bad example, and I commented on it.

Never did I say taking away the ban was the best thing. I do if anything think making it stronger would've been a much better idea seeing as how the original ban didn't even cover all fully automatic weapons or conversion kits. Yet, Kerry wasn't talking about improving gun control in his comments, he was talking about terrorists buying guns legally in aMerica for an assault.
 
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