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March 20th through March 26th:


  • :ps3: 3-22 Playstation Heroes (Reg. $39.99) offer 10,000 SYWR + Save $25 instantly with purchase of Move bundle
    • Offer was extended through next week since Playstation Heroes is not arriving until the end of this week
  • :360::ps3: 3-22 Crysis 2 (Reg. $59.99) Offer Save 10,000 SYWR + Save $30 on $50 PSN or 4000 XBLA Points Card + Save $20 on Turtle Beach Head Sets
    • If the stores do not have the 4000 Points or $50 PSN represented on the sales floor send a pic of your receipt to SHC Ad Monster and we'll substitute with a $20 gift card
    • SHC Stock Boy will comment tomorrow on the Turtle Beach Head Set in-stock. This is featured in the circular so no gift card will be substituted but we will help coordinate a rain check if needed.
    • All stores will receive the LE edition of Crysis 2 for launch.
  • :360::ps3::wii::ds: 3-22 Lego Star Wars III: The Clone Wars 15,000 SYWR Points ($15) - 3DS not included
  • :360::ps3: Bullestorm $39.99 (Reg. $59.99)
Kmart Weekly Ad: (Circulars not effective in all stores, NYC and Offshore in particular)

March 20th through March 26th:

  • :ps3: $50 gift card with 160GB PS3 ($299.99)
    • Note: 3-27 (Next week) Killzone 3 bundle with free Killzone 2. Just want everyone to know if it affects buying decisions
  • :wii: Wii Consoles $179.99 (Reg. $199.99)
Note: Savings Coupon offers are valid in all stores

Coming Soon:

Update: Submitting Feb./Mar. offers as SYWR promotions. Will post as soon as they are approved. At the end of Mar. the coupon issue will be fixed and we'll go back to normal. For Feb . SYWR offers, there will be limit 2 per customer (the SYWR card will limit bonuses systematically).

As of Feb 6th, to earn SYWR bonuses a member has to have a valid email address on their profile and opted in before purchasing an item with a bonus offer. This has been communicated to members through SYWR emails and in the circular along with new signage indicating to receive bonus offers they have to have a valid email address on file and opted in to receive email. Opting in to receive SYWR bonus offers is not too bad: .

1. Log in to your account online
2. Click "My offers"
3. Click "More about me"
4. Scroll down to contact preferences
5. Click the boxes to receive email from (I suggest all for tomorrow). I'll post if you just have to accept Kmart in the future.


*This list is not comprehensive of every promotion that may be coming and release dates are subject to change.
 
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Maybe since Josh pointed out that ME2 is $59.99 currently with BOGO and $44.99 next week that price-adjustment policy is okay in this case?

I would really like to get ME2 and DS2 for $44.99+$29.99, which I don't see any ethical/moral reasons not to or whatever else the "police" think is right/wrong with this situation.

Can I go in next week with my receipt and credit card and say please adjust the price of ME2 to $44.99 thus getting back $15+tax?
 
In all honesty what is wrong price matching ME2? It is $59.99 and the trigger for BOGO 50% this week and is $44.99 and the trigger for BOGO 50% next week. In all honesty that seems like a pretty clear cut case for a price match.

I'm not one for scamming Kmart as I appreciate everything Josh has done but that is basic retail 101.
 
When a facepalm just isn't enough:

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Wow. Just wow. All that chriscolbert was reporting earlier was that ME2 was ringing up $45 when returned from the BOGO deal. He was simply giving a heads up that people won't be able to scam Kmart by returning it for $60.

However, since it's ringing up for $45, which is next week's sale price, when you bring it in and ask for a price adjustment, they might just tell you that it's ringing up $45 anyway and tough luck. You might get $15 back, you might not.
 
[quote name='nas6034']Maybe since Josh pointed out that ME2 is $59.99 currently with BOGO and $44.99 next week that price-adjustment policy is okay in this case?

I would really like to get ME2 and DS2 for $44.99+$29.99, which I don't see any ethical/moral reasons not to or whatever else the "police" think is right/wrong with this situation.

Can I go in next week with my receipt and credit card and say please adjust the price of ME2 to $44.99 thus getting back $15+tax?[/QUOTE]

[quote name='GBAstar']In all honesty what is wrong price matching ME2? It is $59.99 and the trigger for BOGO 50% this week and is $44.99 and the trigger for BOGO 50% next week. In all honesty that seems like a pretty clear cut case for a price match.

I'm not one for scamming Kmart as I appreciate everything Josh has done but that is basic retail 101.[/QUOTE]

I don't see the big deal with it. I'd just wait till next week myself to avoid having to go twice.

I think a couple discussions got mixed up.

FINALBOSS said you should be able to buy ME2+another $59.99 game for $90. Then return the ME2 for $60 and keep the second game for $30. ("It doesn't matter if you bought JUST ME2 or ME2 and another game...you still paid 60 for ME2." ) Someone just confirmed if you returned ME2 (bought with another game), you got $45 back and not $60.

And of course The Lounge will openly discuss how to rip off kmart but 'only for illustrative purposes, he would never do anything like that.' :roll:

Then there was some discussion about prison salad tossing.

I'm not sure which topic was the worst.
 
If the current promo makes ME2 ring up at $45 (or return for that much I should say) then I dare say it will be next to impossible to get any more back when trying to price adjust. It already rang up that price for you (because of the B1G1 50% promo). So good luck with that - it is going to require a CS rep who understands that one game was really supposed to be 50% off while the other was full price, willing to adjust that full price down to the $45 and still let you get the other for 50% off, and also have the knowledge of how to do this without hosing up your whole transaction.

I'm just glad I'm not going to be attempting this ;).

I guess I will go into Kmart tonight and spend my $80 in coupons on PSN cards since none of the deals work for me (got LBP 2 CE from Amazon since none of the 6 Kmarts around me were worthy enough to get a copy, already played ME2 on the 360, and have less than zero interest in Zombie/space horror games or whatever the hell Dead Space 2 is). I have to admit, the asinine commercial I keep seeing for it will guarantee I will never play it (not because the game has gory stuff in it like the mothers are complaining about but because of the premise that horrifying your mother is some sort of selling point).

Then there isn't much in Feb. either and once I'm officially off the coupon/discount train it will take some good deals to get me back on. I'll definitely be checking back for the potential 3DS game coupons though.
 
The only issue with price matching ME2 was only if you bought DS2 with it this week to get the free card. If you want ME2 and DS2 for $74.99, just get it next week. Trying to abuse it where you get all three for $74.99 is where I think it's shitty. If that's the way it was intended then the two promotions would have been going on the same week.
 
[quote name='FINALBOSS']So it's confirmed that returning the trigger game for the BOGO 50% nets you $45 bucks? Good enough for me.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't "net" you anything. You get half of what you paid. If you get two games for $90 and return the trigger game, you get $45. If you get two games next week for $75 and return the trigger game, you get $37.50.
 
[quote name='chriscolbert']It doesn't "net" you anything. You get half of what you paid. If you get two games for $90 and return the trigger game, you get $45. If you get two games next week for $75 and return the trigger game, you get $37.50.[/QUOTE]
If you want to use the literal economic term of "net" then it nets me $15.
 
Will Two Worlds II 39.99 price be available online on the 30th or is that in-store only? I'm leaning towards no since I'm not seeing the other deals this week online, but I have not seen the "CAG only special" advertised before with a game so I wasn't sure how those are normally handled. Haven't checked the Kmart threads in the last couple of months since there is not a single Kmart store within 75 miles of my location and the online deals seemed rare (got in on last year's FFXIII, Metro 2033, AvP for 29.99 and Nier for 44.99 sale, then after I got in on the Castlevania preorder promo the online deals seemed slim compared to the barrage of in-store deals so I stopped checking.)

Then seeing this week's crazy release deals made me realize why I started avoiding this thread. Sometimes I feel I'm better off not knowing what deals are out there. Just purchased Dead Space 2 today for full price with no incentives, and now that I'm seeing Kmart's deal out there with a free 1600 points is disheartening. Then you proceed to rub it in my face further by offering an additional 50% off of DS2 if purchased with another awesome title in LittleBigPlanet 2. Like I said, I'd feel better not knowing these deals were available, but out of my grasp. ;)

Oh well. Still I'm glad to see, as I skim over the last 20 or so pages of posts since I was looking for my previous Two Worlds question, is that SHC-Gamer still seems to be one of the best posters at keeping up with the sheer volume of posts in massive threads like this. I figured the constant noob questions/posts such as my own would have crushed the poor fellow by now. Seems like you have been doing a great job for the Kmart shoppers on this site, so thanks in advance to any help to my question.:applause:
 
Since he technically isn't allowed to advertise the price (it breaks MAP restrictions I believe), I highly doubt it's going to be online. The reason he called it a CAG only special was because it's going to be listed only here that it's actually on sale.
 
[quote name='Altanis']Since he technically isn't allowed to advertise the price (it breaks MAP restrictions I believe), I highly doubt it's going to be online. The reason he called it a CAG only special was because it's going to be listed only here that it's actually on sale.[/QUOTE]
Which means 90% of people who have problems with K-mart not having deals ring up correctly are going to be ROYALLY screwed when they try getting the deal on Sunday.
 
[quote name='Altanis']Since he technically isn't allowed to advertise the price (it breaks MAP restrictions I believe), I highly doubt it's going to be online. The reason he called it a CAG only special was because it's going to be listed only here that it's actually on sale.[/QUOTE]
He's able to list it here because CAG isn't affiliated with Sears Holding Corporation.
 
[quote name='FINALBOSS']Which means 90% of people who have problems with K-mart not having deals ring up correctly are going to be ROYALLY screwed when they try getting the deal on Sunday.[/QUOTE]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from the Enslaved MSRP drop, there hasn't really been any issues with the price of a game not ringing up correctly. It's always with coupons or bundles. I'm thinking that stores make it a point to reboot everything before opening every Sunday because of the ad so hopefully there won't be any problems.
 
[quote name='TheLounge']
Willing to bet every single one of you has cheated the tax man, multiple times over the years, by not paying taxes on your online purchases.
[/QUOTE]

Just because someone's a hypocrite doesn't mean they are wrong--in fact, it's pretty much impossible to not be a hypocrite in life and it's quite overrated as a slur. Furthermore, assuming the worst of others simply to validate your own position is pretty much the epitome of flawed logic.

It doesn't matter whether i'm a saint or if i shoplift 5 times a day--coming in her and posting scams is still a pretty awful thing to do.
 
[quote name='FINALBOSS']If you want to use the literal economic term of "net" then it nets me $15.[/QUOTE]

Okay I give up. Are you taking these to Wal-Mart or what?
 
[quote name='chriscolbert']Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from the Enslaved MSRP drop, there hasn't really been any issues with the price of a game not ringing up correctly. It's always with coupons or bundles. I'm thinking that stores make it a point to reboot everything before opening every Sunday because of the ad so hopefully there won't be any problems.[/QUOTE]
Someone had an issue earlier regarding their game not scanning properly. I didn't follow up on why it happened, but I remember there was speculation that the store hadn't rebooted their system.
 
[quote name='FINALBOSS']So many White Knights here for K-mart.[/QUOTE]
Do you know what White Knighting is? It's not what's happening in this thread. People don't want a bunch of others to go screw Kmart so that the rest of us can continue to get deals. It's pretty simple really. I'd rather be an honest consumer and get a continuous stream of $10, $15, $20 bonuses, cheap games, etc. and have someone directly on point who will assist with issues in getting this than trying to work the system for an extra $5 which could jeopardize future deals.

If you don't understand this, then you're just dense.
 
I sure hope that Two Worlds 2 deal is online again. It should be since it's listed in the kmartgamer.com section of the first post. I remember when I bought NFS Hot Pursuit from kmartgamer.com for $40 a few weeks ago it was online as well. otherwise I can't get it cuz I live too far from KMART, argh. Peace n thanx CAG and SHC_GAMER!
 
[quote name='chriscolbert']Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from the Enslaved MSRP drop, there hasn't really been any issues with the price of a game not ringing up correctly. It's always with coupons or bundles. I'm thinking that stores make it a point to reboot everything before opening every Sunday because of the ad so hopefully there won't be any problems.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, only real issues I can recall off the top of my head are the one person who couldn't get it to ring up this week correctly, and we speculated it was a register needing rebooted. Never did get confirmation of whether that fixed it (or even happened), so I'm not sure what became of that.

The $40 price point will work just fine if the stores have done the necessary work and have rebooted the registers.

I foresee problems though only because people will post that the people didn't know about the sale and all this. Actually, pretty much like what happened this week so far with the DS2/points card thing. If everyone will just stick to the guidelines of not talking to the employees about the deals, it will stop a lot of issues from arising. If an employee says that the store isn't doing part of a promotion, don't argue, just go along with it but continue your business. Get what you were there to get anyway, and it'll all work itself out at the register.
 
[quote name='chriscolbert']Okay I give up. Are you taking these to Wal-Mart or what?[/QUOTE]
No.

I saved $15 on the 2nd game.
 
[quote name='TheLounge']I like how everyone here acts like the ethics police.

Willing to bet every single one of you has cheated the tax man, multiple times over the years, by not paying taxes on your online purchases.

Pretty sure that is much worse than "scamming a company" by bringing up their false advertisements, or returning a game to keep the rewards.

I wouldn't blame people for returning me2, especially when it can corrupt your HD.[/QUOTE]

How you compare "scamming" the tax man by not paying sales tax on online purchases to buying a game then returning it while keeping a coupon is one of the biggest stretches I have ever seen. :roll:
 
Any chance of including the hardened edition of Black Ops 360 for the $47.99 deal?

That could be the dabamus b-day promotion!
 
[quote name='Killbomb']How you compare "scamming" the tax man by not paying sales tax on online purchases to buying a game then returning it while keeping a coupon is one of the biggest stretches I have ever seen. :roll:[/QUOTE]

What coupon? No coupons involved.

Scamming is scamming period.

You guys keep saying it is a stretch, etc though to make yourselves feel better.

Also, to think one or two people getting a great deal on an item will take a store down is a pretty far stretch while we're at it.

The store is going to fail anyways, because of poor customer service (outside of Josh and stockboy, and a few others that I haven't been able to witness), poor stocking, disgusting/poorly setup stores, etc etc...

There is a reason Kmart has been failing for years, and I know for sure Sears wasn't doing too hot for a while there either.


Anyways, I like Altanis' new nickname from FINALBOSS. I think I might start to use it.

sorry it was gindias or something... LOL, stop picking on Mrs. Deane.

I will let you guys get back to brown nosing though.
 
I am reading this thread..

I dont like to hurt a company, especially like one that has had a rocky past and steps up on so many levels to bring ecxellent deals to us.

Is it legit then to grab LBP2 + DS2 + $20 PSN card? I mean seriously?

I am down for that tomorrow now, if thats the case. It seems most the arguing is those that try to return or get the first game for $45 (ME2) and the second 50%.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']I am reading this thread..

I dont like to hurt a company, especially like one that has had a rocky past and steps up on so many levels to bring ecxellent deals to us.

Is it legit then to grab LBP2 + DS2 + $20 PSN card? I mean seriously?

I am down for that tomorrow now, if thats the case. It seems most the arguing is those that try to return or get the first game for $45 (ME2) and the second 50%.[/QUOTE]


So many deals I'm confused but I believe that's perfectly legit and has been noted by SHC.
 
[quote name='Killbomb']How you compare "scamming" the tax man by not paying sales tax on online purchases to buying a game then returning it while keeping a coupon is one of the biggest stretches I have ever seen. :roll:[/QUOTE]
I wonder what he would tell the people that live in states like Delaware, Oregon, Montana, etc that don't charge sales tax. Or how in Florida companies that sell online don't have to collect sales tax if they don't have a physical presence in the state.
Does that mean that I'm somehow "cheating the tax man" (not that I have to file taxes anyway... being a dependent is great sometimes) even though it's the company's choice not to do it?

Eh screw it, it's not worth arguing with someone on my ignore list (not you. the person you quoted).

[quote name='confoosious']So many deals I'm confused but I believe that's perfectly legit and has been noted by SHC.[/QUOTE]
Yep, it's legit.

Snake, feel free to go out and get a copy of Little Big Planet 2, Dead Space 2, and a $20 points card and walk out of the store paying $90 + tax. :) It'll work.
 
[quote name='TheLounge']What coupon? No coupons involved.

Scamming is scamming period.

[/QUOTE]

"returning a game to keep the rewards"

I used coupons as an example. Applies to any discounts, extras, etc. you are no longer entitled to after returning the purchase that qualified you for them.

If everyone was "scamming" the government by not paying sales tax on online purchases, don't you think something would have been done by now? No, because it can in no way, shape or form be compared as you suggested.
 
[quote name='TheLounge']Also, to think one or two people getting a great deal on an item will take a store down is a pretty far stretch while we're at it.[/QUOTE]

In a situation such as price matching to get back $15, anyone on the internet can read it. One or two people turns into hundreds of sales.

And killbomb, as a consumer, you're allowed to try to price match it regardless of the promotions. It's your choice if you feel like doing it. You'd have to argue, and in the end it's up to how nice the manager feels, and how much they value your business. But anyone and everyone can try.
 
[quote name='TheLounge']What coupon? No coupons involved.

Scamming is scamming period.

You guys keep saying it is a stretch, etc though to make yourselves feel better.

Also, to think one or two people getting a great deal on an item will take a store down is a pretty far stretch while we're at it.

The store is going to fail anyways, because of poor customer service (outside of Josh and stockboy, and a few others that I haven't been able to witness), poor stocking, disgusting/poorly setup stores, etc etc...

There is a reason Kmart has been failing for years, and I know for sure Sears wasn't doing too hot for a while there either.


Anyways, I like Altanis' new nickname from FINALBOSS. I think I might start to use it.

sorry it was gindias or something... LOL, stop picking on Mrs. Deane.

I will let you guys get back to brown nosing though.[/QUOTE]
Yeah!
 
There really needs to come a point that a bunch of these posts get deleted. Not that any particular one is so out of hand, but put together they poison the thread for those new to it and don't really lend any discussion or explanation of the deals or problems some might run into. As far as scamming,(not pointed at any one poster) Meh why ask here? you know what you ask is shady or you wouldn't ask, so if you think you got the game put on your big boy undies and try it at a store. No debate of your deal being shady or not will convince you otherwise and those that think it shady aren't gonna budge either.
 
[quote name='Altanis']People are petty. Main reason it's not a 5. I've rated every Kmart thread a 5. But if I had to hazard a guess, it would be people are mad at the coupons going away (although they're coming back... idiots) or something similar. [/QUOTE]

No, I'm pretty sure you have a lot to do with it. People dont like be called idiot, moron and stupid for asking a question.
 
[quote name='Lyricsborn']Any word on the clearence drops?[/QUOTE]
Josh already said he wouldn't likely know until February 13. Try back then. If it's not in the post at the start of the thread that's labeled "Clearance Drops" I think it's safe to say it's not known.
 
[quote name='Stry-ker']so i take it the black ops with point card starts sunday?[/QUOTE]
That depends. When is January 30? It's not a trick question. It is the answer to your question.
 
[quote name='sageridder']There really needs to come a point that a bunch of these posts get deleted. Not that any particular one is so out of hand, but put together they poison the thread for those new to it and don't really lend any discussion or explanation of the deals or problems some might run into.[/QUOTE]

I agree. We have some overzealous folks in this thread.

Seems the dumb questions have been stamped out by sheer force. I'd take the dumb questions though over the scammers and trolls.
 
[quote name='Interfeci']

And killbomb, as a consumer, you're allowed to try to price match it regardless of the promotions. It's your choice if you feel like doing it. You'd have to argue, and in the end it's up to how nice the manager feels, and how much they value your business. But anyone and everyone can try.[/QUOTE]

That's true and if Kmart does not want people taking advantage of both promotions then they should program the system to ring up the trigger game at a lower price, which apparently they have done according to an earlier post. My issue was with him talking about returning something then keeping what you got with it.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Seems the dumb questions have been stamped out by sheer force. I'd take the dumb questions though over the scammers and trolls.[/QUOTE]

Those are the only things left when sheer force is used. Dumb questions made it look like a customer thread. Now it's just a morality thread with a few snide answers.
 
[quote name='gindias']No, I'm pretty sure you have a lot to do with it. People dont like be called idiot, moron and stupid for asking a question.[/QUOTE]


This, after he self appointed himself a "helper" i kinda dont like this thread.

If your gonna help and answer questions dont be a dick about it. You asked for it not the other way around.
 
Called corporate and they say the blog isn't even a part of Kmart...wut? It is on your site, how is it not a part of it? Yeah, been trying to get my MSP card, because my Kmart says that DEAL doesn't even exist plus they don't even stock the cards. Sending you an email tomorrow.
Thanks in advance.
 
[quote name='QW00TERZ']Called corporate and they say the blog isn't even a part of Kmart...wut? It is on your site, how is it not a part of it? Yeah, been trying to get my MSP card, because my Kmart says that DEAL doesn't even exist plus they don't even stock the cards. Sending you an email tomorrow.
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Why even do all that? You're simply creating hassle for yourself. Josh has said from the start that if you couldn't get a points card to email him.

Why cause yourself problems when it's simple as just emailing Josh? That's what you are ending up doing anyway.
 
I don't understand how they don't give you the deal. I went in today, grabbed the 1600 MSP card (like it says in the first post, they were incorrectly put in the gift card section) and asked for a copy of Dead Space 2. Rang them up, once the cashier hit the total button it deducted teh $19.99, got them both for $59.99.

My only problem with K-Mart has been the fact that not one time over the last 4 months have I gone in and seen someone in the electronics department. I've always had to go to customer service and have them paged. No lie, today while I was waiting in electronics I heard over the intercom "Electronics, you have a call on line 1". That made mw decide to walk up to the CS counter to ask for them to be paged and on my way I hear "Electronics, you have a call on line 1 and 2". I get there and there's 2 customers in line before me so I wait. After a few minutes the phone rings. "Electronics, you havea call on lines 1, 2, and 3". At that point I asked if they could also ask them to go to their station after they're done with all the phone calls.
 
Put in spoilers to keep from cluttering the thread with my exercises in boredom and logical evaluation.

[quote name='TheLounge']I like how everyone here acts like the ethics police.

Willing to bet every single one of you has cheated the tax man, multiple times over the years, by not paying taxes on your online purchases.[/QUOTE]
Because you have done something wrong in the past, it's alright to continue doing something wrong now. I'm going to continue arguing it isn't scamming while simultaneously using arguments that only logically work if you start from the presupposition that it is, in fact, a scam.

[quote name='TheLounge']Pretty sure that is much worse than "scamming a company" by bringing up their false advertisements, or returning a game to keep the rewards.[/QUOTE]
Because a script in a web site pulled down the wrong picture from the database for a product, a mistake that happens all the time and which retailers are not legally liable for, I am going to call it "false advertising," so it seems morally acceptable to do what I'm describing. I'm also going to again admit that what I'm doing is wrong in my argument by saying it is comparatively not as bad as other immoral actions, but continue to defend it anyways.

[quote name='TheLounge']I wouldn't blame people for returning me2, especially when it can corrupt your HD.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone will begrudge a person who wishes to return a game for an honest reason. What you describe, however, does not stem from an honest motive. You are taking a reason that has only just now come to light and using it to justify an action that was discussed before that was known.

[quote name='TheLounge']Also, to think one or two people getting a great deal on an item will take a store down is a pretty far stretch while we're at it.[/QUOTE]
In a last ditch attempt to justify my stance, I'm going to attempt to argue the mitigation of its damages, and downplay any effect it could have on those being negatively affected, even though it's been proven that enough people doing a negative action can have catastrophic effects on a company's budget (hello, emailed coupon abuse.)

[quote name='TheLounge']Anyways, I like Altanis' new nickname from FINALBOSS. I think I might start to use it.

sorry it was gindias or something... LOL, stop picking on Mrs. Deane.

I will let you guys get back to brown nosing though.[/QUOTE]
Because I have no more defensible, logical arguments to fall back on, I'm going to resort to ad hominem attacks to try and distract from this fact. Bonus points if I make it extra personal by bringing in the personal life of Josh who I've said previously I had respect for, thus nullifying that statement, too.

My, this thread has gotten out of hand.
 
I'm going to draw blood if I continue to bite my tongue. The temptation to rip into the poor logic behind people's arguments is almost too much to bear.

This thread really need a cleansing. It's gotten ridiculous and out of hand. People asking easily-answered questions, people being snide and insulting, and lots of discussion of stupid, disrespectful and downright dickish scams, schemes, and what have you. Really? I mean, I know it's the internet, but for fuck's sake, people.
 
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