LA Times Slams the Mentality of Democratic S.I. Groups; Oh and Most of You Too

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THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT 22 Democratic senators voted to confirm John G. Roberts Jr. as the 17th chief justice of the United States. That's more than anyone would have imagined just a few months ago, when the talk in Washington was all about filibusters and nuclear options. The bad news is that 22 Democratic senators voted against Roberts. That's far more than the handful of Republicans who voted against Bill Clinton's two Supreme Court appointees, Stephen G. Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Washington's recent polarization suggests things could have been worse. But it is still alarming that 22 Democrats voted against a nominee of Roberts' caliber. Last November, the American people granted President Bush the power to appoint Supreme Court justices, and in his first opportunity to exercise this power he has acted responsibly, choosing a mainstream conservative with unimpeachable credentials. Half the Democrats in the Senate — including such independent-minded liberals as Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont and Russell D. Feingold of Wisconsin, both members of the Judiciary Committee — did the right thing by supporting the president's choice.

But too many Democrats beholden to liberal interest groups embarrassed themselves and the party by opposing Roberts. These groups wield disproportionate power in mobilizing activists and raising campaign funds, but they do not speak for the majority of Americans or even most Democrats.

Worse, in terms of the broader national interest, by appearing so obstructionist, these senators have undermined their credibility to oppose future judicial picks who may actually be outside the mainstream.

It was almost comical watching the likes of Harry Reid, the ostensibly centrist Senate minority leader from Nevada, and Charles E. Schumer of New York struggle to justify their opposition to Roberts, all the while conceding he may turn out to be a terrific justice. Closer to home, it was disappointing to see Dianne Feinstein, California's centrist senator, on the wrong side of the issue, opposing Roberts' confirmation.

Except for Feingold, most Democratic senators harboring presidential aspirations also voted against Roberts. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Joseph R. Biden, John Kerry and Evan Bayh all felt compelled to please organizations that have a vested interest in turning each one of these confirmation battles into Armageddon. At what cost to their future credibility with centrist voters remains to be seen.

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This is what I and many conservatives have been saying for over a year now. It's the kooks that control the party. It's the DU, moveon.org, Michael Moore wing of the Democratic party wounding their credibility and mainstream appeal.

For the LA Times to recognize this is a bloody fucking miracle and should be a wakeup call to all of you kooks, moon bats and fringe radicals.
 
He go more votes than Renquist did at his confirmation hearing. Anytime you have a SC chief justice, it is going to be a much tougher vote than just that of an associate justice
 
[quote name='SilverPaw750']Have you dropped to the level of posting EDITORIALS?

Please, God, stop making threads.[/QUOTE]

I have yet to see a post from you that is not a threadcrap. Twain said "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than open it and remove all doubt."

That applies to your commentary as well.
 
Hey Brainiac. When I list the LA Times you can take from that it IS an editorial.

Otherwise, I would label it as just another headline.

BTW, is this the best you can do?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Hey Brainiac. When I list the LA Times you can take from that it IS an editorial.

Otherwise, I would label it as just another headline.

BTW, is this the best you can do?[/QUOTE]

Man, they totally gotcha when you enlisted huh?

Still fightin' the good fight, Gomer?
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']He go more votes than Renquist did at his confirmation hearing. Anytime you have a SC chief justice, it is going to be a much tougher vote than just that of an associate justice[/QUOTE]
Exactly. PAD is boiling this down to an oversimplistic 'paper or plastic' type of question. This is a decision that affects a GENERATION of Americans not a fucking one time call on what to bring the groceries home with. I'm surprized PAD hasn't called Clinton, Biden & Kerry the 'Axis of Liberalism' :roll:
 
While I think PAD is nothing more than a troll who starts WAY too many threads, I agree with the editorial insofar as it suggests that there was no legitimate basis on which to oppose Roberts. The ONLY basis to do so was crass politics, which should not influence confirmation or selection of a SCOTUS Justice. Just as I would have supported Ruth Bader Ginsburg (despite not liking her politics), the Senate democrats should have supported Roberts.
 
[quote name='Quillion']I have yet to see a post from you that is not a threadcrap. Twain said "It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than open it and remove all doubt."

That applies to your commentary as well.[/QUOTE]
Maybe if you lived in other forums besides the vs forum, you'd see I make a lot of nice posts.

...'Specially in the fighter thread :bouncy:
 
"But too many Democrats beholden to liberal interest groups embarrassed themselves and the party by opposing Roberts. These groups wield disproportionate power in mobilizing activists and raising campaign funds, but they do not speak for the majority of Americans or even most Democrats."

Regarding this statement, the editorial falls short of the mark by attempting to insinuate that this characteristic is unique to the democratic party.

And, as far as that is concerned, most all of Bush's nominees thus far have been shown to exhibit neoconservative philosophies, which are, unarguably, onthe far right of the political spectrum. Do neoconservatives speak for the majority of Americans, or even Republicans? Hardly; evidence of that is clearly available to the persistent lip service the Bush administration pays to its loyal constituency of christian conservatives. Additionally, the very concept of neoconservative ideology goes hand-in-hand with "special interests" (that is, if we consider "special interests" to be those things that aren't done for the "public good," but rather a smaller, more precise sect of them; in this case, those who stand to benefit financially from the expansion of democracy, and thus, capitalism - which certainly aren't your average workers).

The Republicans, as we have seen through the Bush administration appointees, have exhibited characteristics and attitudes that show that they are loyal to none but their ideology. With this in mind, I argue, that a skeptical and repulsed reaction to any Bush appointee has become, based on all probability, a pavlovian response on the part of the Democrats.

Really, when we consider that the Republicans threw a shit fit about 11 out of 207 judicial appointees made during the Bush term thus far, calling the Democrats obstructionists (among all the other non-niceties they use), they were showing their true attitudes: "We won the election, we control the government, shut the fuck up and get out of the way." Evidently, approving over 95% of a president's judicial nominees is not enough.

Roberts, as a chief justice nominee, deserved all the scrutiny in the world. I would argue, however, that because of the pavlovian attitudes of democrats, they simply assumed, based on a probability nearing 1 (in my estimation) that a high-profile, high-power Bush nominee was going to be partisan and destructive, that Roberts had ulterior motives.

Does it make the 22 look bad? Oh, fuckin' get off your high horse. For them (as Charles Schumer admitted), it was merely a symbolic vote (even if he would have voted no regardless). It's like my voting for Kerry in Kentucky. It's not gonna do any good, but I might as well exhibit my preferences (although, the obligation of senators is far greater than my own, I feel). The 22 knew they weren't going to get in the way of anything, or stop Roberts from becoming Chief Justice.

It's a political tactic, in the end. It is a call to a failure of a president that this, his most appropriate and qualified justice, had a hard time getting through; with that in mind, Bush better find someone spec-fucking-tacular to replace O'Connor. "If Roberts had a tough time getting through, imagine what might happen if you send someone with a radical right-wing record through" is the message sent by those 22.

I'd really like to know more about you, sgs; you seem to be such a cheerleader for Roberts (and not entirely wrongly, I might add), that it just seems that there's something to your alignment that isn't merely appreciation for a well qualified individual.
 
[quote name='sgs89']While I think PAD is nothing more than a troll who starts WAY too many threads, I agree with the editorial insofar as it suggests that there was no legitimate basis on which to oppose Roberts. The ONLY basis to do so was crass politics, which should not influence confirmation or selection of a SCOTUS Justice. Just as I would have supported Ruth Bader Ginsburg (despite not liking her politics), the Senate democrats should have supported Roberts.[/QUOTE]

I have to disagree. The Bush White House refused to release tons of requested information about Roberts, info that would have either proven his worth or shown him to be a bad candidate. On that basis alone, I think the Senators were justified in their "No" vote, rather than vote "Yes" on incomplete information. It's too bad more Senators allowed themselves to be steamrolled on a vote as critical as this one.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] I'd really like to know more about you, sgs; you seem to be such a cheerleader for Roberts (and not entirely wrongly, I might add), that it just seems that there's something to your alignment that isn't merely appreciation for a well qualified individual.[/QUOTE]

I am a HUGE Roberts fan. That, I will willingly concede. As I've said repeatedly, I think he is about as good a candidate as you will ever find for the role of Chief Justice. He has the right temperament, a great intellect, experience, and humility.

I think it is a shame that the political rancor has gotten to the point where someone like Roberts is voted against by 22% of the Senate on purely political grounds. It shouldn't be that way. And I am not suggesting, necessarily, that the Republicans would be behaving any differently if the shoe were on the other foot -- although they did vote to confirm Ginsburg in numbers much greater than the Democrats did for Roberts.

I'm not sure what to make of your "there's something to your alignment" point -- what are you implying?
 
[quote name='sgs89']I think it is a shame that the political rancor has gotten to the point where someone like Roberts is voted against by 22% of the Senate on purely political grounds. It shouldn't be that way. And I am not suggesting, necessarily, that the Republicans would be behaving any differently if the shoe were on the other foot -- although they did vote to confirm Ginsburg in numbers much greater than the Democrats did for Roberts.[/quote]

That they did. I don't believe, however, at the time, that there was another impending nomination on Clinton's plate that the senate was aware of.

I'm not sure what to make of your "there's something to your alignment" point -- what are you implying?

I'm implying that it's curiously positive; you are showing more vigor, interest, and knowledge of a person, their background and qualifications than the average person shows towards any political candidate, let alone a nominee that isn't going to be decided in the general election (directly, anyway).

So, my curiosity is merely piqued by your interest. I'd like to know who you are; that, I believe, would provide more insight into your appreciation of Roberts. The only thing I can glean is that you've obviously had some law school experience, but that isn't saying much about anything, really. I like to understand things contextually (or reflexively, if you're familiar with Pierre Bourdieu at all), in order for them to appear clearer.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm implying that it's curiously positive; you are showing more vigor, interest, and knowledge of a person, their background and qualifications than the average person shows towards any political candidate, let alone a nominee that isn't going to be decided in the general election (directly, anyway).

So, my curiosity is merely piqued by your interest. I'd like to know who you are; that, I believe, would provide more insight into your appreciation of Roberts. The only thing I can glean is that you've obviously had some law school experience, but that isn't saying much about anything, really. I like to understand things contextually (or reflexively, if you're familiar with Pierre Bourdieu at all), in order for them to appear clearer.[/QUOTE]

My strong support for Roberts is, in part, due to my sense that he is a relative rarity in Washington these days -- someone appointed because he is the best person for the job. I have not come to expect that from President Bush, so I think it is worth strongly supporting it when it does happen. I also think the SCOTUS is extremely important in our system of government and should be reserved for those who are truly qualified. When such a candidate comes along, he (or she) should be lauded.
 
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