Launch: The Airing of Grievances

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The few issues I have deal with the controller, but in a different way than most people's issues:

The problem is the Nunchuk and the Controller are sold seperately. Some games use both, some don't, if you want to play a multiplayer game that uses both, you need to buy both. I wish they were just packaged together.

A second problem is that you need the Classic Controller to play the virtual console games (at least most of them), but it isn't included in the package. I know it's a bit much to complain about not bundling it, as they've already bundled so much in that package, but it seems that's something that should've been included.


What issues do you have with the Wii?
 
[quote name='Biggington']You know, you can always use the Gamecube controller with the Wii. Pretty sure it works with every game.[/quote]Beat me to it, and equally good point, rabbitt.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Virtual Console games aren't included with the console, so why should the controller to play them be included?[/QUOTE]

True.

Wii is supposed to be a party system. A big multi-player console. Good times. They give us Wii Sports so we can find out how innovative the Wii will be.
So why did they just include ONE controller? ;)

That's really my only gripe with the Wii launch. Wii Sports was a very nice add, but they could of really made people go "GASP" by throwing in that 2nd controller so you can try multi-player Wii from the minute you set it up, right out of the box :)
 
You need the Classic Controller to play Virtual Console games? That's news to me... I thought you could use a Gamecube controller.
 
Where the fuck are the nunchucks?

Weren't there supposed to be like 250 VC games at launch? Couldn't there have at least been a few more that didn't suck? What am I supposed to play after I finish Zelda? The rewards in Wii Sports (PRO!) aren't worth grinding through the training. I'm not real hyped for any other games so I'm hoping we get some action on the VC pretty soon.

Where the fuck are the nunchucks?!??!?!?!?!?
 
--lots of systems but no accessories (where are the s-video, component cables, and controllers?)

--that you can only send 20 miis a day. I guess they want you to use the Mii parade. Or they didn't think people would get into trading and sending lots of celeb-miis.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Weren't there supposed to be like 250 VC games at launch? Couldn't there have at least been a few more that didn't suck? What am I supposed to play after I finish Zelda? The rewards in Wii Sports (PRO!) aren't worth grinding through the training. I'm not real hyped for any other games so I'm hoping we get some action on the VC pretty soon.[/quote]

Who told you there were supposed to be 250 VC games at launch? There were supposed to be 30, but I guess something went wrong and we only got the amount that we did.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Where the fuck are the nunchucks?

Weren't there supposed to be like 250 VC games at launch? Couldn't there have at least been a few more that didn't suck? What am I supposed to play after I finish Zelda? The rewards in Wii Sports (PRO!) aren't worth grinding through the training. I'm not real hyped for any other games so I'm hoping we get some action on the VC pretty soon.

Where the fuck are the nunchucks?!??!?!?!?!?[/quote]What the hell kind of post is this?
 
[quote name='Z-Saber']What the hell kind of post is this?[/quote]

The rambling, incoherent kind. I've been up for two days straight and it's way too late for an edit so just let it roll.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']Who told you there were supposed to be 250 VC games at launch? There were supposed to be 30, but I guess something went wrong and we only got the amount that we did.[/quote]

I vaguely remembered this from when the machine was still called the Revolution. I know the list got pared back drastically as we approached launch and am just bitching about it here.
 
I think everyone is being greedy about Nintendo not doing more. I'm very impressed by what they've done.

Also, what's with everyone complaining about accessories? At least you have a Wii!
 
You can't have everything. They are already undercutting every other console and giving us a free game(presumably $50) and a wiimote/nunchuck (another $50). So you plop down some extra money for another wiimote/nunchuck. That's still only 310 for the game system and extra controllers. Not damn bad if you ask me.

T. Foolery
 
[quote name='mrchainsaw']I think everyone is being greedy about Nintendo not doing more. I'm very impressed by what they've done.

Also, what's with everyone complaining about accessories? At least you have a Wii![/QUOTE]


yeah, they've done a lot. but it was annoying having to share 1 wiimote with the whole family at Thanksgiving
 
I wish the virtual console controller was wireless. That's why I will using my wavebird no matter had bad the mapping is going to be.
 
To the one thing that hasn't been answered yet: The separate packing of controllers may be slightly confusing, but it's more beneficial for the consumer. On the off chance that your remote gets thrown against the wall and the IR camera gets destroyed, do you want to shell out $60 for a new set or $40 for a new remote?
 
[quote name='fenderhutz']I wish the virtual console controller was wireless. That's why I will using my wavebird no matter had bad the mapping is going to be.[/quote]Z-Saber: :drool:

(Translation: It is wireless.)
 
[quote name='rabbitt']Virtual Console games aren't included with the console, so why should the controller to play them be included?[/QUOTE]
Should we have to buy a separate controller to play XBLA games?
 
Here's a better question: Is the Wiimote suitable for Super Mario 64 and The Legend of Zelda: Link to the Past? Heck no. Are Gamecube and Virtual Console controllers a better choice? Duh.
 
[quote name='zewone']Should we have to buy a separate controller to play XBLA games?[/QUOTE]

Of the classic XBLA games, none have really needed all of the buttons. Games like Defender don't need more than a few of those. The new, original XBLA games are made specifically for the 360's controller.

Because the Wiimote is radically different than any past Nintendo controller, it would be pretty tough to play most of their older games (save NES games).

EDIT: They did design a controller for games that they are offering.
 
I'm personally very happy that they didn't bundle in a second wiimote or VC controller. If they were going to be provided without a price increase, of course, I'd rather have them, but to me it's kind of like how other people are complaining about wii sports being 'forced' on us. I have no use, yet, for a 2nd wiimote (When Wii Play comes with a wiimote, though, I'll bite). I have no use, yet, for a VC controller (no titles have been announced I'm interested in yet-- give me pilotwings 64!).

I realize I'm in the minority on this, but...
 
[quote name='lilboo']True.

Wii is supposed to be a party system. A big multi-player console. Good times. They give us Wii Sports so we can find out how innovative the Wii will be.
So why did they just include ONE controller? ;)

That's really my only gripe with the Wii launch. Wii Sports was a very nice add, but they could of really made people go "GASP" by throwing in that 2nd controller so you can try multi-player Wii from the minute you set it up, right out of the box :)[/quote]

I don't need a 2nd controller at the moment so i don't want to pay extra for it to be included. Thank you Nintendo. For everything you want, there is going to be other people who won't use it and don't want to pay extra to have it included. They have to find a middle ground somewhere.
 
[quote name='schuerm26']I don't need a 2nd controller at the moment[/QUOTE]


Which means you will eventually get it.
I didn't mean add the 2nd controller in for more $. For $250 it SHOULD of came with Wii Sports, and 2 complete controllers. That would just be a completely ultimate bundle and would really advertise itself as being such a multiplayer console.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']
EDIT: They did design a controller for games that they are offering.[/QUOTE]
2 separate controllers. On the PS3 and 360, the standard controller works just fine for classic games.
 
[quote name='lilboo']For $250 it SHOULD of came with Wii Sports, and 2 complete controllers[/QUOTE]

So in other words, you expect something for nothing? I think that's a bit silly, myself. For $250 it SHOULD have come with wii sports, wii play, a billion VC points, 4 vc controllers, 4 nunchucks, 4 wii controllers, 8 batteries, and a $20 off coupon for another game! That'd have been the ultimate multiplayer console! But come on, they're a company who are out to make money. If they wanted to include a second controller, it would've went up in price.

If they had done that, you'd have people bitching a la wii sports-- "I'd rather it have been $225, without the extra wiimote!" "I'd rather it have been $200, without wii sports and the extra controller!". There's no way nintendo could've pleased everyone without offering 20 different bundles (And I personally find the idea of having two different models (core/pro, 20g/60g, etc) really annoying and frustrating), and I imagine this grouping was the best balance between cost and included equipment and whatnot for everyone.

Should the extra equipment be easier to find? Yeah, probably. But I'm still happy that they gave us nearly the bare minimum and let us add on what we need.
 
[quote name='zewone']2 separate controllers. On the PS3 and 360, the standard controller works just fine for classic games.[/QUOTE]

If you're going to compare Nintendo's controller with Sony's and MS's, then you have to compare their classic games. Defender and Frogger =/= Super Mario 64.
 
[quote name='rabbitt']If you're going to compare Nintendo's controller with Sony's and MS's, then you have to compare their classic games. Defender and Frogger =/= Super Mario 64.[/QUOTE]
Very true. I'm not saying I wouldn't rather play Super Mario RPG, but the fact is that the controller situation is lame.
 
[quote name='zewone'] but the fact is that the controller situation is lame.[/QUOTE]

Very true also :). One of Nintendo's bragging rights this gen is it's much cheaper console. The accessories should be as adequately inexpensive as the console.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']The problem is the Nunchuk and the Controller are sold seperately. Some games use both, some don't...[/quote]

You just answered your own question as to why they're sold separately. Putting that power of choice in the hands of the consumer is a good thing.
 
[quote name='munch']I saw my first VC controller today! WOOT! If only I can see my first Wii! This makes me 0-9![/quote] I think we're one of the few who have yet to get a Wii. Now excuse me while I go listen to My Chemical Romance and cut myself.
 
Jesus fucking christ, you all need to quit your whining.

How many consoles have ever been packaged with more than one controller at launch? Not many, and not lately. And the Wii isn't the first system to be marketed towards multiplayers.

How much more is the Wii controller than the SIXAXIS? $10? Most of the innovation and new costs this generation for Nintendo went into the remote, and its not that much more than the SIXAXIS.

Also, the reason there aren't many remotes around is probably because they are harder for them to manufacture. The same reason there aren't a million PS3s is the same reason there arent a million Wiimotes. You can't just magically make more appear.

In an ideal fucking world, everything would be fucking free and instantly attainable, but this isn't a perfect fucking world. Deal with it.
 
[quote name='j_factor']You need the Classic Controller to play Virtual Console games? That's news to me... I thought you could use a Gamecube controller.[/QUOTE]
Nope, learn something new every day, huh? And I hope you weren't being sarcastic: because it would make you look like a total ignorant jackass. If you weren't being sarcastic, please forgive me for not giving you the benefit of the doubt.
 
Who's really whining?
I love my Wii and don't regret my purchase at ALL, and it's a much better value then 360 and PS3. (I have a 360 too and love it!) But the Wii is really geared to playing with your friends/family. They could of added just that 1 extra controller in. That's all! Not really complaining that they didn't. :p
 
I agree with the complaint of not including two wiimotes with the console, but having the nunchuck and wiimote separate is good for us. Two GGCs, means a $50 controller...
 
The Wiimote and nunchuck should have been bundled together for $50.
An extra Wiimote and nunchuck should have been included with the Wii.
Accessories like S video cable, component video cable, and LAN adaptor should have been in stores on day 1.
More controllers should have been on store shelves.
The Wii should have come with enough VC points to buy one NES game, or had a game included, if only for a limited time (like how the 360 Media Remote was bundled with the 360 for the first few months).
 
The lack of component cables on day 1 is far and away my biggest complaint. I am also not too happy with the VC prices and selection.
 
No DVD support.
No CD/SACD/DVD-A support.
No true surround sound (DTS, etc) support.

Other than that and having to wait a couple of months for the Weather and News channels to become active, I'm quite happy.

PS: VC games are overpriced.
 
[quote name='Puzznic']The lack of component cables on day 1 is far and away my biggest complaint.[/quote]It's my only complaint, though I should have mine by the end of the week.
 
My only real let down at this point for the Wii launch has been the 'big gun' channels not being active (weather, news, internet). Those might not be significant features for lots of people, but for me, I expect to get a lot of use out of all three...a lot. Would have been nice to have it from day one, but I can understand if the servers have anything to do with the delay (given how difficult it was to connect to the Wii Shop and whatnot during the first few days after launch).
 
My only real grip is the lack of good launch games for the VC. Not a big deal, but it would have been nice to have all the first-day Marios (not just 64) right there for us to d/l when we got home last Sunday.
 
[quote name='Oops! I did it again.']My only real let down at this point for the Wii launch has been the 'big gun' channels not being active (weather, news, internet). Those might not be significant features for lots of people, but for me, I expect to get a lot of use out of all three...a lot. Would have been nice to have it from day one, but I can understand if the servers have anything to do with the delay (given how difficult it was to connect to the Wii Shop and whatnot during the first few days after launch).[/quote]

That's about it for me too. i was looking forward to the weather channel as one of my biggest reasons to purchase. Stuff like that is just fun to me, but only having to wait 1 month isn't a big deal.

I have an extra wiimote and chuck, giving me 2 of each, which is all I will need for a long time i imagine. Hopefully they won't have to be replaced either.

I haven't gotten my classic controller yet, but when I do, it's basically a one time purchase to me. I don't see it ever breaking, so what is $20 out of pocket one time in the systems life cycle. Even if i decided to get an extra for multiplayer VC games. $40 isn't even the cost of one game.
 
No fucking component cables.

And on top of that... Nintendo needs to adopt a POS system in their distribution channel now. It's fucking 2006, not 1987. I'm fucking sick of their nonsense distribution techniques, and obviously everyone else is as well. Anyone not get a nunchuck with their extra Wii mote? Distribution channel. Seen a thousand classic controllers and a billion copies of Monkey Ball, but no wii points cards? Blame the distribution channel. I don't know what kind of asinine methodology they use to decide why Buttcrap, TX gets 30 Wii motes but 2 nunchucks; while Houston, TX gets 60 nunchucks and 26 wii motes. Get the shit out the door Nintendo. I can walk into Best Buy and buy crappy 3rd party component cables for a non-exsistant PS3 (labeled as FOR the PS3) on the shelf right now, but all that's on the Wii shelf is rubbers for wii motes, dog tags, and anal rapingly expensive 1GB SD cards. I mean, can't people find a deal on the internet? Does nintendo think they've got something proprietary on their hands with SD cards? I got the one for my Wii free as a giveaway at MicroCenter. Fry's is usually selling 2GB cards for $35 before rebates.
 
[quote name='drfunk85']Jesus fucking christ, you all need to quit your whining.

How many consoles have ever been packaged with more than one controller at launch? Not many, and not lately. And the Wii isn't the first system to be marketed towards multiplayers.

How much more is the Wii controller than the SIXAXIS? $10? Most of the innovation and new costs this generation for Nintendo went into the remote, and its not that much more than the SIXAXIS.

Also, the reason there aren't many remotes around is probably because they are harder for them to manufacture. The same reason there aren't a million PS3s is the same reason there arent a million Wiimotes. You can't just magically make more appear.

In an ideal fucking world, everything would be fucking free and instantly attainable, but this isn't a perfect fucking world. Deal with it.[/QUOTE]

I find it interesting that you would click on a thread called "The Airing of Grievances" and post something like this. For clarity, why don't we just define the word Grievance, eh?

griev‧ance
–noun
1. a wrong considered as grounds for complaint, or something believed to cause distress: Inequitable taxation is the chief grievance.
2. a complaint or resentment, as against an unjust or unfair act: to have a grievance against someone.

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Ok I feel better now. Back to the topic at hand:

My one complaint is the lack of component cables. To have system that supports 480p pretty much across the board and not launch with more than 15 units of an alternative to standard RCA cables is a cruel, cruel joke. Just because the VC has SNES games does not mean that everyone still uses the connection types that were the de facto standard in 1991.

The reason this is my chief complaint is that my TV does NOT HAVE RCA COMPOSITE INPUTS. I had to dig in my closet to find the S-Video input, for christ sake, much less an RCA composite (my TV is an industrial plasma with swappable inputs -- too bad RCA composite would set me back $150...). So no component (and no S-Video either, which is backordered further into 2007 than the component, interestingly) means I can't hook up my Wii at all until I get my order from Nintendo filled.

Luckily I beat the cutoff for the first batch (my order was on the 18th, cutoff on the 20th) so -- OH GREAT AND JOYOUS RAPTURE -- I may get my cables sometime this week... or maybe next week... or shit, I don't know when... according to our friendly neighborhood Nintendo CSR.
 
My only complaint really is the fact that you can't download a demo of VC games.
Also the weather, news, and internet not being up right away is a bit annoying.
 
No DivX playback. No DVD player.

I've been wanting a DVD player in my Wii, as my current DVD player is outdated, and the 360 is too fucking loud. I don't have much room, so an integrated DVD player would solve a huge problem. It seems a slap in the face that Nintendo wouldn't offer this incredibly simple, obvious, and easy to integrate feature.

Luckily it seems this problem can be solved on the software end, so there might be a future online update to add DVD playback.

The Wii desperately needs a Movie channel and a Music channel.

Also, probably the biggest complaint: no component cables.
I personally have the ability to switch between composite and component on my TV, with my 360, so I know how terrible composite looks. Check out this out if you don't: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6162297/p-2.html

I can't play things in composite: it looks absolutely terrible. More and more of my friends, even without HDTVs, are getting Component-capable TVs, so the argument about the majority of people not having HDTVs is moot. Not to mention the majority of people who would buy a Wii probably WILL have HDTVs in the near future. Terrible decision. I wonder if Nintendo can up the res of their console through software. Even if they can, they probably won't. *sigh*
 
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