Let the Election Fraud Begin!

bigdaddy

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McCain has a very small chance of winning by the rules, so you just have to break them! Worked out great for Bush the last two times.

Tens of thousands of eligible voters have been removed from rolls or blocked from registering in at least six swing states, and the voters' exclusion appears to violate federal law, according to a published report.
The New York Times based its findings on reviews of state records and Social Security data.
The Times said voters appear to have been purged by mistake and not because of any intentional violations by election officials or coordinated efforts by any party.
States have been trying to follow the Help America Vote Act of 2002 by removing the names of voters who should no longer be listed. But for every voter added to the rolls in the past two months in some states, election officials have removed two, a review of the records shows.
The newspaper said it identified apparent problems in Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina. It says some states are improperly using Social Security data to verify new voters' registration applications, and others may have broken rules that govern removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election.
Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, so any closer screening of new applications may affect their party's supporters disproportionately, the Times said.
The result is that on Election Day, voters who have been removed from the rolls could show up and be challenged by political party officials or election workers.
The six states seem to have violated federal law in two ways. Some are removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election, which is not allowed except when voters die, notify the authorities that they have moved out of state, or have been declared unfit to vote.
And some of the states are improperly using Social Security data to verify registration applications for new voters, the newspaper reported.
"Just as voting machines were the major issue that came out of the 2000 presidential election and provisional ballots were the big issue from 2004, voter registration and these statewide lists will be the top concern this year," said Daniel P. Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University.

I wonder why they wouldn't want new people to vote? Just because they are all most likely registering democratic... oh wait....

Land of the free my ass, we can't even have a fair election.
 
I was going to post a thread for something similiar to this, but I'll just share with you...


Officials in Missouri, a hard-fought jewel in the presidential race, are sifting through possibly hundreds of questionable or duplicate voter-registration forms submitted by an advocacy group that has been accused of election fraud in other states.

Charlene Davis, co-director of the election board in Jackson County, where Kansas City is, said the fraudulent registration forms came from the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She said they were bogging down work Wednesday, the final day Missourians could register to vote.

"I don't even know the entire scope of it because registrations are coming in so heavy," Davis said. "We have identified about 100 duplicates, and probably 280 addresses that don't exist, people who have driver's license numbers that won't verify or Social Security numbers that won't verify. Some have no address at all."

The nonpartisan group works to recruit low-income voters, who tend to lean Democratic. Most polls show Republican presidential candidate John McCain with an edge in bellwether Missouri, but Democrat Barack Obama continues to put up a strong fight.

Jess Ordower, Midwest director of ACORN, said his group hasn't done any registrations in Kansas City since late August. He said he was told three weeks ago by election officials that there were only about 135 questionable cards — 85 of them duplicates.

"They keep telling different people different things," he said. "They gave us a list of 130, then told someone else it was 1,000."

FBI spokeswoman Bridget Patton said the agency has been in contact with elections officials about potential voter fraud and plans to investigate.

"It's a matter we take very seriously," Patton said. "It is against the law to register someone to vote who does not fall within the parameters to vote, or to put someone on there falsely."

On Tuesday, authorities in Nevada seized records from ACORN after finding fraudulent registration forms that included the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.

In April, eight ACORN workers in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud for submitting false registration cards for the 2006 election. U.S. Attorney Catherine Hanaway said they submitted cards with false addresses and names, and forged signatures.

Ordower said Wednesday that ACORN registered about 53,500 people in Missouri this year. He believes his group is being targeted because some politicians don't want that many low-income people having a voice.

"It's par for the course," he said. "When you're doing more registrations than anyone else in the country, some don't want low-income people being empowered to vote. There are pretty targeted attacks on us, but we're proud to be out there doing the patriotic thing getting people registered to vote."

Republicans are among ACORN's loudest critics. At a campaign stop in Bethlehem, Pa., supporters of John McCain interrupted his remarks Wednesday by shouting, "No more ACORN."

Debbie Mesloh, spokeswoman for the Obama campaign in Missouri, said in an e-mailed statement that the campaign supported any investigation of possible fraud.

According to its national Web site, the group has registered 1.3 million people nationwide for the Nov. 4 election. It also has encountered complaints of fraud stemming from registration efforts in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Nevada and battleground states like Michigan, Ohio and North Carolina, where new voter registrations have favored Democrats nearly 4 to 1 since the beginning of this year.

Missouri offers 11 electoral votes; the presidential candidates need at least 270 to win the election.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081009/ap_on_el_ge/voter_fraud

Yeah, that makes sense. The fed is trying to hold poor people back, but ACORN workers have pleaded guilty to voter fraud recently and the orginization registered the Cowboys...
 
[quote name='depascal22']Why can't we just ban ACORN? It's like letting convicted arsonists become firemen.[/QUOTE]

Why don't we all vote third party since the two party system is complete FAIL. Lets live with CheapyD in Japan. Can I rent a room? lol
 
I like this quote from Ordower:

"It's par for the course," he said. "When you're doing more registrations than anyone else in the country, some don't want low-income people being empowered to vote. There are pretty targeted attacks on us, but we're proud to be out there doing the patriotic thing getting people registered to vote."

No, Ordower. It's your group registering dead, fictitious, and ineligible (and that includes convicted felons, sorry myke) voters that's the problem.

ACORN is being investigated for voter fraud in 11 states - so far. Why haven't they been shut down? Ask the Democrat Party.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Those crazy people registering the Dallas Cowboys. Don't they know felons aren't allowed to vote?[/QUOTE]

:lol:
 
[quote name='depascal22']Why can't we just ban ACORN? It's like letting convicted arsonists become firemen.[/quote]


I also read about the ACORN thing, however in CT three firemen were arrested for starting a few fires and then going to put them out.

And Heavey, you are really that ignorant.

Obama has one house and one car, McCain can't even count how many houses he has yet Obama is the elitist? People like you are the reason the rest of us are fucked.
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']Why don't we all vote third party since the two party system is complete FAIL. Lets live with CheapyD in Japan. Can I rent a room? lol[/quote]

If all the users of CAG moved to Japan to live with Cheapy D, he would need a three bedroom house. Those things are expensive in Japan!
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']I also read about the ACORN thing, however in CT three firemen were arrested for starting a few fires and then going to put them out..[/QUOTE]

And that makes rampant voter fraud okay.

[quote name='bigdaddy']

And Heavey, you are really that ignorant.

Obama has one house and one car, McCain can't even count how many houses he has yet Obama is the elitist? People like you are the reason the rest of us are fucked.[/QUOTE]

I find it very interesting that that pic in my sig has caused so much ire. It's wildly tame compared to some of the McCain/Palin bashing ones I've seen here. I guess it's a matter of whose ox is being gored.

Once again, I do not like McCain. You won't find me defending him. And do I think Obama is THE elitist? Of course not - but he's one of them.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Just so everyone knows fake registrations and attempting to stop actual voters from voting are not equivocal.[/quote]

Exactly.
Removing peoples right to vote illegally isn't justified because some group just sent in a voter registration form for the '71 dolphins.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']nobody is trying to say they are the same thing, they are two issues. nobody is equating the two, not even heavy hitter.[/QUOTE]

Actually that is exactly what you and heavy hitter are saying.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Actually that is exactly what you and heavy hitter are saying.[/QUOTE]

we both commented on a second story, not the one the OP mentioned.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']we both commented on a second story, not the one the OP mentioned.[/QUOTE]

I would say either you are showing yourself to be a liar again or you just admitted to threadjacking to bring up something only tentatively having to do with the OP. I would say that except in this case they are not mutually exclusive and both can apply.
 
[quote name='Msut77']I would say either you are showing yourself to be a liar again or you just admitted to threadjacking to bring up something only tentatively having to do with the OP. I would say that except in this case they are not mutually exclusive and both can apply.[/QUOTE]

well in my post i explicitly say that im thread jacking. the reason for that is because i was just about to post a new thread about the acorn fraud, but i figured why have two threads about voter fraud.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']well in my post i explicitly say that im thread jacking. the reason for that is because i was just about to post a new thread about the acorn fraud, but i figured why have two threads about voter fraud.[/QUOTE]

Because one is not about voter fraud, it is about registration fraud. And yes there is an important difference which you previously claimed to have recognized.
 
What are we agruing about?

ACORN should be in jail because they are screwing the system up for real voters.

Then there are people being taken off a voting list, they probably don't know that they were taken off and then won't be able to vote.

So either way, less people not being allowed to vote for a fuck up is not freedom.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']What are we agruing about?

ACORN should be in jail because they are screwing the system up for real voters.

Then there are people being taken off a voting list, they probably don't know that they were taken off and then won't be able to vote.

So either way, less people not being allowed to vote for a fuck up is not freedom.[/QUOTE]

right..this hasn't happened before.. oh that is right George Bush won the 2000 election without any tampering.. this would all go away if they'd get with the times technology wise..
 
[quote name='Msut77']Because one is not about voter fraud, it is about registration fraud. And yes there is an important difference which you previously claimed to have recognized.[/QUOTE]

so wait, cancelling and stopping registration isnt registration fraud? do you really have nothing better to do than get in a huff over a noun. again, nobody is mixing the two issues, you seem to be the only one concerned with two topics in one thread. if you have something to say about either one, then say it, and quit whining
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']so wait, cancelling and stopping registration isnt registration fraud? do you really have nothing better to do than get in a huff over a noun. again, nobody is mixing the two issues, you seem to be the only one concerned with two topics in one thread. if you have something to say about either one, then say it, and quit whining[/QUOTE]

You are so full of shit.
 
[quote name='Msut77']You are so full of shit.[/quote]

The ignore button is easy to find. ;)

And I can't find the article now, but the states are denying they are breaking the law. Which is a big "no shit".
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']The ignore button is easy to find. ;)

And I can't find the article now, but the states are denying they are breaking the law. Which is a big "no shit".[/QUOTE]

Honestly it seems as if most of ACORNs problems would be solved if they stopped paying those who register piecemeal. There is no excuse for that level of continued stupidity.
 
They're still operating so they can't be that stupid. They could easily be shut down since they use government grants to operate. Maybe the government doesn't want us to think about the issues and would rather distract us with this crap. I've become convinced over the last day that it won't matter who we elect, democracy is dead.
 
Wow so much fraud going on so early?

I can't even imagine, then, the cluster camel fuck we'll have in November. I am fully expecting that whoever wins in November, the outcries of fraud and unfairness will be 100x Al Gore.
 
At the OP:

Did you conveniently not read this line: "The Times said voters appear to have been purged by mistake and not because of any intentional violations by election officials or coordinated efforts by any party"?

And did you conveniently stick McCain's name into the article because of your rabid love for Obama?
 
[quote name='depascal22']I've become convinced over the last day that it won't matter who we elect, democracy is dead.[/quote]

Really? Seriously?

We should look on some of the recent news with joy.

The entire world is headed for a global recession and some countries are going bankrupt. More on that later.

The US rammed nearly $900 billion worth of pork down the taxpayers' throats in order to STOP exactly what just happened in the stock market. The government must have some egg on its face. It has demonstrated to the population that it can't protect people. The owners of our government must be furious. I can hear them: "I'm only going to make $100 million this year, you bastards! What am I paying you people for? If people won't borrow money, they might get out of debt! BLAH BLAH BLAH"

Let's look at Russia. Its economy requires sky high oil prices to maintain military appearances. Russia won't open their stock market. When it was opened, they lost so much money that they can't afford to be the aggressor in WWIII.

GM is so weak it might have to merge with Chrysler to survive. Wasteful SUVs won't come back even as gas continues to drop in price.
 
Well guess what? The Democrats want another 150 billion. And by the time it gets passed, it'll most likely be $250 billion.

As far as putting ACORN members in jail, yes, yes we should. And we should count all previous ACORN members as felons too.

:sips orange juice:
 
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