Liberal Scientists Continue the War on Christmas

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SCIENTISTS have warned that Christmas lights are bad for the planet due to huge electricity waste and urged people to get energy efficient festive bulbs.

CSIRO researchers said householders should know that each bulb turned on in the name of Christmas will increase emissions of greenhouse gases.

Dr Glenn Platt, who leads research on energy demand, said Australia got 80 per cent of its electricity by burning coal which pumps harmful emissions into the atmosphere.

He said: "Energy efficient bulbs, such as LEDs, and putting your Christmas lights on a timer are two very easy ways to minimise the amount of electricity you use to power your lights."

He said the nation's electricity came from "centralised carbon intensive, coal-based power stations" which were responsible for emitting over one third of Australia's greenhouse gas emissions.

Dr Platt added: "For a zero-emission Christmas light show, you may consider using solar powered lights or sourcing your electricity from verified green power suppliers."
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http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24839835-23272,00.html

Shame on these "scientists" using the global warming myth to ween people off celebrating Christmas.
 
You're a fucktard. The article says right there that they aren't asking people to get rid of Christmas lights altogether, just to use more energy-efficient ones.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']You're a fucktard. The article says right there that they aren't asking people to get rid of Christmas lights altogether, just to use more energy-efficient ones.[/QUOTE]
More or less exactly what I was going to reply with until I scrolled down to see that you beat me to it.

... Though I would have used the phrase "fucking retard" instead of "fucktard." Eerily similar, though!
 
I think the OP was being a tad bit sarcastic. :roll: But I agree with him. Honestly, you save $3 in electricity a year, but you have to spend $100 on buying all new Christmas lights. Who the fuck is going to do that?
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']You're a fucktard. The article says right there that they aren't asking people to get rid of Christmas lights altogether, just to use more energy-efficient ones.[/quote]

Did you honestly take his post seriously?
 
[quote name='Unickuta']Did you honestly take his post seriously?[/QUOTE]

Ramstoria sometimes makes screwy posts like this, and other times he doesn't. I wasn't sure which so I erred on the side of caution.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']You're a fucktard. The article says right there that they aren't asking people to get rid of Christmas lights altogether, just to use more energy-efficient ones.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Kirin Lemon']More or less exactly what I was going to reply with until I scrolled down to see that you beat me to it.

... Though I would have used the phrase "fucking retard" instead of "fucktard." Eerily similar, though![/QUOTE]

:lol:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']fuck Christmas. Takes away all the attention from me and my own birthday.[/quote]

Last time I looked, Christmas WAS the celebration of your birth, myke. ;)
 
I keep reading Myke Vermin as My Kevermin for some odd reason. Anyways happy fucking birthday for you and your name.
 
well, at least a couple people picked up on my sarcasm. i havent been in the vs forum lately so i figured id make a fun post for no reason other than to ruffle a few feathers.

[quote name='mykevermin']fuck Christmas. Takes away all the attention from me and my own birthday.[/QUOTE]


solution... photoshop yourself on a cross, arrange a few people to see you walk out of a cave a few days later, ????, profit!
 
[quote name='Paco']I keep reading Myke Vermin as My Kevermin for some odd reason. Anyways happy fucking birthday for you and your name.[/quote]

Don't worry, I did the same as well for a long time. Guy always seems to be about himself, so it seems logical. I always wondered what the fuck his "Kevermin" was though.

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']well, at least a couple people picked up on my sarcasm. i havent been in the vs forum lately so i figured id make a fun post for no reason other than to ruffle a few feathers.




solution... photoshop yourself on a cross, arrange a few people to see you walk out of a cave a few days later, ????, profit![/quote]

Or Prophet?
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']solution... photoshop yourself on a cross, arrange a few people to see you walk out of a cave a few days later, ????, profit![/QUOTE]

That'll happen at some point. Great idea.

[quote name='HotShotX']Guy always seems to be about himself, so it seems logical.[/QUOTE]

That'll be sigged when I'm sober. You're a sweetheart.
 
I see no secular war on Christmas. Christmas is already largely a secular holiday with much more emphasis on Santa etc. than on the religious aspects.

But in any case, the OP is nothing more than just asking people to be more cautious in their energy use. Hardly a war on Christmas in any case.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']While I do think it's clear there is a secular war on Christmas in popular culture, I'm not sure I see the OP as evidence of it.[/quote]

The only "War on Christmas" is the one fought by capitalists in the search for more money. They'll hype up Christmas or change everything to holidays (oh god!), whatever gets more money.
 
Why doe everything have to be a war on something? I'm sure from the "liberal scientist's" viewpoint, there is a war on scientific reasoning going on in this country,
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']While I do think it's clear there is a secular war on Christmas in popular culture, I'm not sure I see the OP as evidence of it.[/quote]

You almost make a point.. I mean really, since Xmas is all about the money, you'd think that the eight days of gift giving during Hanukkah would make WalMart so much more money than Christmas' one. :|

Then again nobody really likes gefuellte fisch.
 
[quote name='Hex']You almost make a point.. I mean really, since Xmas is all about the money, you'd think that the eight days of gift giving during Hanukkah would make WalMart so much more money than Christmas' one. :|

Then again nobody really likes gefuellte fisch.[/QUOTE]

It would, there just aren't as many jews as christians in the country. But you rarely see the word "christmas" anywhere commercially anymore anyway, and that's what I was referring to.

I'd be ecstatic to see more mention, commercially, of hanukkah and quanza too. "Happy Holidays" is so incredibly PC boring.
 
Pissing and moaning about the term "happy holidays" bugs me to no end. How dare they try to be encompassing of all of the religious celebrations! >:O

PS- christmas was originally a pagan holiday, and jesus wasn't born in december. They just decided to rewrite it so that his birthday coincided with the winter solstace (Yule). So really, you're celebrating the rewriting of history to shit on pagans even more. :)
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']"Happy Holidays" is so incredibly PC boring.[/QUOTE]

I hate it when people are nice.

Why don't you rebel against our liberal oppressors by saying "Merry Christmas" in response? Every time you say Merry Christmas, a hippie angel takes a shower.
 
[quote name='Hex']
PS- christmas was originally a pagan holiday, and jesus wasn't born in december. They just decided to rewrite it so that his birthday coincided with the winter solstace (Yule). So really, you're celebrating the rewriting of history to shit on pagans even more. :)[/QUOTE]

I'm well aware of the pagan origins of Christmas. Who cares. Historical accuracy doesn't preclude emotional and spiritual significance.

If society decided to celebrate the birth of Behemot on May Day so the modern-day knights templar had a reason to celebrate with Mexicans, I'd be fine with that too.

[quote name='mykevermin']I hate it when people are nice.

Why don't you rebel against our liberal oppressors by saying "Merry Christmas" in response? Every time you say Merry Christmas, a hippie angel takes a shower.[/QUOTE]


Don't you worry, I do. I know.... I show them.

This reminds me of 10 years ago when I worked tech support for a shitty computer company. Once in a while around Christmas I'd get an angry atheist upset and demanding to talk to management because the hold music was a radio station playing Christmas music - perhaps that's where my bitterness stems from...
 
If you want to celebrate Christmas then fine celebrate Christmas. Few people have a problem with the celebration of Christmas. Stores can sell Christmas crap, workers can wish each other Merry Christmas and you can put all the silly lights and trees out you want. The problem people have is with the fact that our goverment backs the damn holiday and so do most other places that shouldn't. I am sorry but its bull shit that people get time off of work and school for Christmas but not other holidays, its bull shit that the police and fire department down the street have a manger/baby Jesus display(hell the fucking white house at that) and its bull shit that people like thrust try and act like "eh we are a Christian nation deal with it".

I have no problem with you celebrating Christmas. My problem is with your stupid holiday being rammed down my throat. You fucktards dont even celebrate the fucking holiday on the right day anyways. I think Christmas is the ultimate tribute to how stupid Christians are. Not only do you celebrate the day that a magical being was born on earth but you dont even celebrate it at the time it historically would have happened if it was a true story! AND none of you even fucking realize it. Brilliant bloody tribute.
 
I still think the whole "end stand by mode" campaign is more hilarious than this. I mean, this coming from the people that wanted create "energy efficient" products but now are trying to get rid of them because they "waste" energy. lool
 
[quote name='Strell']Read the post immediately above your's, MSI.[/QUOTE]

Few problems.

1. I am not an atheist I am agnostic.
2. As I said no stick up my ass over silly things like saying Merry Christmas. If someone smiles and says Merry Christmas to me I smile and dont say anything, say Merry Christmas back or say happy holidays. Hell I even untill this year have celebrated Christmas with my family and my fiancees family going so far as to go to Church on Christmas eve with them. My problem isnt with Christmas or those that celebrate it, but with it being crammed down our throats including by politicians and government facilities who should be neutral.
 
[quote name='Strell']Hoo boy. WAAAAAAAAAAAAY over your head, which I guess I can understand since you have a paper bag on it.[/QUOTE]

/shrug whatever think what you will. Hell of an argument you put up there though.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']/shrug whatever think what you will. Hell of an argument you put up there though.[/quote]
Fellas! Can't we all just get along? He has trouble forming an argument because he has lobsters in his pants. You blame him?

And you're gettin' all huffy when the whole thread is about gettin' all huffy about stuff.

You know what the definition of irony is?
 
[quote name='Hex']PS- christmas was originally a pagan holiday, and jesus wasn't born in december. They just decided to rewrite it so that his birthday coincided with the winter solstace (Yule). So really, you're celebrating the rewriting of history to shit on pagans even more. :)[/quote]

We weren't shitting on pagans. We were pandering to them.

Before we had Christmas, door to door evangelicals didn't have any selling points during the month of December.

After Christmas was invented, conversions went up 2000%. Take that, Mithra!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Why don't you rebel against our liberal oppressors by saying "Merry Christmas" in response? Every time you say Merry Christmas, a hippie angel takes a shower.[/quote]

:lol:
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']We weren't shitting on pagans. We were pandering to them.

Before we had Christmas, door to door evangelicals didn't have any selling points during the month of December.

After Christmas was invented, conversions went up 2000%. Take that, Mithra![/QUOTE]

Exactly. Christ was born months before December 25th and Christians just moved the birth date to that day in order to compete with the pagan Winter Solstice.
 
MSI, the thing I don't get here is how often do you have anything religious about Christmas shoved down your throat?

All we really get is people saying Merry Christmas and all the stores trying to get our money. It's largely a secular holiday anymore, as it's driven totally by capitalism.

I can't recall any religious person doing anything around this x-mas that I thought was shoving their religious beliefs down my throat. And I'm an atheist and pretty easilty annoyed in that regard.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']MSI, the thing I don't get here is how often do you have anything religious about Christmas shoved down your throat?

All we really get is people saying Merry Christmas and all the stores trying to get our money. It's largely a secular holiday anymore, as it's driven totally by capitalism.

I can't recall any religious person doing anything around this x-mas that I thought was shoving their religious beliefs down my throat. And I'm an atheist and pretty easilty annoyed in that regard.[/QUOTE]

Ermmmmm no. Try getting time off of work for Christmas but then having to take a payed vacation or have a disgruntled boss when you try and take time off for other holidays. Try having my money funneled to religious programs I dont approve of and tax dollars spent on these stupid manger scenes or putting up Christmas decorations at the white house. Or what if you have kids, your kids dont get an education for several weeks because other peoples kids celebrate this holiday, but then whenever your own holidays come around school is still open so your kids get to play catch up at a later date.

Then there are Christians themselves who again are acting time and time again like because most people are Christians we should all have to essentially celebrate Christmas. My fiancee without being asked was put in the Christmas gift exchange at work and assigned an item for the Christmas party pot luck. Then she had someone at the office reem her a new one for saying Happy Holidays vs Merry Christmas. She was pretty much told ooo your one of those people then told how its Christmas and most Americans are Christian.

If you have had different experiences that's fine.....but the Christians I have encountered are nothing like that. Hell just walking my dog the other day I saw 4 people with signs that said put the Christ back in Christmas in their yard. And again even if you have been lucky then tell me are you comfortable with your tax dollars being spent on Christmas ornaments for government facilities?
 
Most of that is just because Christmas is the major western holiday--and it is so largely because of financial reasons/capitalism than anything to do with Christianity. It's just the time of the year that people traditional take a few days of work and spend time with their families regardless of whether they're Christian or not.

With the exception of your fiancee's jerk co-worker, of course, which is an example of what you're bitching about. But the rest of it's not directly tied to religious beliefs, but just x-mas being the dominant holiday.

And some's not related at all. I don't like tax money going to faith-based organizations either, but that has nothing to do with Christmas as that happens year round. Decorations in the white house don't bother me, it's the presidents house he and his family should be able to decorate it how they see fit. But I can see people having issues if tax dollars are buying a nativity scene rather than a christmas tree etc. I stopped worrying about stuff like that, "in god we trust" on money etc. years ago. Not worth the effort and many more important issues to worry about with separation of church and state.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Most of that is just because Christmas is the major western holiday--and it is so largely because of financial reasons/capitalism than anything to do with Christianity. It's just the time of the year that people traditional take a few days of work and spend time with their families regardless of whether they're Christian or not.

With the exception of your fiancee's jerk co-worker, of course, which is an example of what you're bitching about. But the rest of it's not directly tied to religious beliefs, but just x-mas being the dominant holiday.

And some's not related at all. I don't like tax money going to faith-based organizations either, but that has nothing to do with Christmas as that happens year round. Decorations in the white house don't bother me, it's the presidents house he and his family should be able to decorate it how they see fit. But I can see people having issues if tax dollars are buying a nativity scene rather than a christmas tree etc. I stopped worrying about stuff like that, "in god we trust" on money etc. years ago. Not worth the effort and many more important issues to worry about with separation of church and state.[/QUOTE]

It doesnt matter if Christmas is a Christian holiday or not. Its a religious holiday that is celebrated on a federal/state level which is wrong. It is also creates far to many work place problems. I understand that as you say its just the time of the year people want to take time off of work, I understand that its a tradition and all that other stuff. None of it makes it right nor changes the fact that its a religious holiday.

Also you say sorry bout the 1 bad co worker but thats hardly it. I have meet numerous people that were like that lady, my fiancee works with SEVERAL not a single person like that lady, there are the people putting out the Christ in Christmas signs then many others. Hell my own family who is not Christian and is pretty damn far to the left(my mom is even one of those goverment is watching us and putting stuff in vacines people)was pissed off when I told them this year that this was the last year I was going to celebrate Christmas. Even after I explained that I was still going to come and visit this time of the year and get together wtih the family for dinner, just not do presents because I am not Christian they were pissed.......and pissed would be an understatment for my fiancees family whom IS Christian and I thought was going to scream heathens then kill me.

Yes none of this bitching is going to make a difference, nor would bitching about stuff like the in god we trust on money make a difference. But the reason for it is because there arnt enough people bitching about it and those that do bitch are fucking hippies that whine if anyone even says Merry Christmas. Again I am not one of those people, I just dont want Christmas to be a national holiday nor tax money be spent on anything relating to it.

Its funny that I let out a short rant on my view on Christmas....and people since then have bitched about my bitching. I will never understand that kind of behavior....its easier to let me express my views then let the subject drop then to whine about my bitching.....which as I stated is an even bigger waste of time. I bitch here because as I said I realize not enough people(or reasonable smart people atleast)are upset about the issue. So I blow off quick steam...its kind of what the internet is for....
 
Fair enough. I'm not bitching about your bitching per se. Just saying it's a waste of time and energy to get so bent out of shape over such things. Especially with all the other problems you've posted about in your life.

And I say that as an atheist who used to rant about such things 10 or so years ago until I realized it wasn't worth the energy. I still get upset when people force their views on others (like your fiancee's coworker) but I have no problem with saying Merry Christmas etc. But I actually like the holiday from the family and gift giving standpoint despite being an atheist so I guess that helps.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Fair enough. I'm not bitching about your bitching per se. Just saying it's a waste of time and energy to get so bent out of shape over such things. Especially with all the other problems you've posted about in your life.

And I say that as an atheist who used to rant about such things 10 or so years ago until I realized it wasn't worth the energy. I still get upset when people force their views on others (like your fiancee's coworker) but I have no problem with saying Merry Christmas etc. But I actually like the holiday from the family and gift giving standpoint despite being an atheist so I guess that helps.[/QUOTE]

But like I said.....I do say Merry Christmas to people or Happy Holidays or just smile and say have a good day. The only time I have made an issue out of stuff like this is online, with other like minded people or if I have some stupid Christian try and go on an rant about Christmas and people not celebrating it. Hell like I said next year will be the first year in my life where I havnt done gift exchange with the family and others.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']It doesnt matter if Christmas is a Christian holiday or not. Its a religious holiday that is celebrated on a federal/state level which is wrong. It is also creates far to many work place problems. I understand that as you say its just the time of the year people want to take time off of work, I understand that its a tradition and all that other stuff. None of it makes it right nor changes the fact that its a religious holiday.

Also you say sorry bout the 1 bad co worker but thats hardly it. I have meet numerous people that were like that lady, my fiancee works with SEVERAL not a single person like that lady, there are the people putting out the Christ in Christmas signs then many others. Hell my own family who is not Christian and is pretty damn far to the left(my mom is even one of those goverment is watching us and putting stuff in vacines people)was pissed off when I told them this year that this was the last year I was going to celebrate Christmas. Even after I explained that I was still going to come and visit this time of the year and get together wtih the family for dinner, just not do presents because I am not Christian they were pissed.......and pissed would be an understatment for my fiancees family whom IS Christian and I thought was going to scream heathens then kill me.

Yes none of this bitching is going to make a difference, nor would bitching about stuff like the in god we trust on money make a difference. But the reason for it is because there arnt enough people bitching about it and those that do bitch are fucking hippies that whine if anyone even says Merry Christmas. Again I am not one of those people, I just dont want Christmas to be a national holiday nor tax money be spent on anything relating to it.

Its funny that I let out a short rant on my view on Christmas....and people since then have bitched about my bitching. I will never understand that kind of behavior....its easier to let me express my views then let the subject drop then to whine about my bitching.....which as I stated is an even bigger waste of time. I bitch here because as I said I realize not enough people(or reasonable smart people atleast)are upset about the issue. So I blow off quick steam...its kind of what the internet is for....[/quote]
Huffy. See?
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']But like I said.....I do say Merry Christmas to people or Happy Holidays or just smile and say have a good day. The only time I have made an issue out of stuff like this is online, with other like minded people or if I have some stupid Christian try and go on an rant about Christmas and people not celebrating it. Hell like I said next year will be the first year in my life where I havnt done gift exchange with the family and others.[/QUOTE]

No problem. Your rants here are so intense I envision you sitting at the computer in a rage with veins bulging and blood pressure skyrocketing and shaving years of your life. :D

And stuff like this isn't worth getting that upset over. Nothing on internet forums is worth getting upset over.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']No problem. Your rants here are so intense I envision you sitting at the computer in a rage with veins bulging and blood pressure skyrocketing and shaving years of your life. :D

And stuff like this isn't worth getting that upset over. Nothing on internet forums is worth getting upset over.[/QUOTE]

Hehe I can appreciate that. I am a pretty complicated guy(and not in the emo teenager sense). I really am a very peaceful and happy person but I am also very intense and feel very passionately and state things in that way. Even in person I get very heated and often come across in ways I dont intend to. My mom and fiancee insist its the aspegers but I really freaking hate labels. 99% of the time even if I am coming across intense im in a good mood and just taking a break after dying in a game(happening a lot tonight, freaking Mario Bros 3 World 8) or during a load or something.
 
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