Oh yeah, sorry guyver, I was thinking of getting a HK 347 and selling the Onkyo, but there's so many glitches with it, and it's only HDMI 1.1.
Even the promised FW update has been taking too long.
I mainly want it for looks, and better sound.
However I don't think I would benefit from the sound quality at the levels I'd use it at.
I would check www.shoponkyo.com
Join their site and you get 10 onkyo points which is 10 bucks off.
I saw the 605 on there recently (goes in an out of stock like apple's refurb site) for $299.
Shipped + 2 year warranty was $340, which is a steal.
[quote name='guyver2077']i think i saw that but i could of sworn you mentioned it could be found in the sub 400 levels...
do they sell that with a full setup? like i mentioned i noticed my sub connects to my receiver via a s-video looking plug....[/quote]
Yeah it used to be available (during the pre-order stage) for $350-370. Unfortunately, that's the lowest price I've seen recently at a non-membership retailer. And it is available in a HTIB setup, for $899. However, you wind up paying for an upscaling DVD player that you probably won't use. Might be better off spending that $500 on a 5.1 speaker package instead, and wind up with a little bit better setup. Or spring an extra hundo and score this package that my dad just ordered for his new basement theater (wich will actually be run by the 2nd 605 he's also picking up).
And like Dallow said, if you watch and get a refurb direct from Onkyo for $299, you're golden.
Damn it! Walmart is making it so hard to stay red. I'm debating on the 40GB PS3 with the 10 free movies + 5 MIR....I figure tax return is right around the corner but at the same time, I am only spending $400 on a BR player since I wont be playing games on it...maybe Ratchet & Clank...I hope they're sold out already that way I can't do it...but Ratatouille, Cars, Chicken Little, Crank, Casino Royale, The Fifth Element, Pixar Short Films, Ice Age, & Gone in 60 seconds is hard to pass up.
EDIT: Yuck...just saw what 5 are available for mail...
EDIT2: Its for the 80GB...I thought it was for the 40GB...nevermind I'll pass.
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Damn it! Walmart is making it so hard to stay red. I'm debating on the 40GB PS3 with the 10 free movies + 5 MIR....I figure tax return is right around the corner but at the same time, I am only spending $400 on a BR player since I wont be playing games on it...maybe Ratchet & Clank...I hope they're sold out already that way I can't do it...but Ratatouille, Cars, Chicken Little, Crank, Casino Royale, The Fifth Element, Pixar Short Films, Ice Age, & Gone in 60 seconds is hard to pass up.
EDIT: Yuck...just saw what 5 are available for mail...
EDIT2: Its for the 80GB...I thought it was for the 40GB...nevermind I'll pass.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Damn it! Walmart is making it so hard to stay red. I'm debating on the 40GB PS3 with the 10 free movies + 5 MIR....I figure tax return is right around the corner but at the same time, I am only spending $400 on a BR player since I wont be playing games on it...maybe Ratchet & Clank...I hope they're sold out already that way I can't do it...but Ratatouille, Cars, Chicken Little, Crank, Casino Royale, The Fifth Element, Pixar Short Films, Ice Age, & Gone in 60 seconds is hard to pass up.
EDIT: Yuck...just saw what 5 are available for mail...
EDIT2: Its for the 80GB...I thought it was for the 40GB...nevermind I'll pass.[/QUOTE]
Won't be playing any games on it? Jesus, what a in' poser.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: you have to try *really in' hard* to claim that there are absolutely no games you'd ever want to play on a PS3. If you don't want to buy one relative to the games currently out you'd like to play, I suppose I can buy that. But this "no games worth playing never" shit is frivolous and old.
Lotsa, lotsa, lotsa good exclusives worth picking up on BR. Maybe you can spend $500 importing would-be-Blu-Rays on HD DVD?
[quote name='mykevermin']Won't be playing any games on it? Jesus, what a in' poser.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: you have to try *really in' hard* to claim that there are absolutely no games you'd ever want to play on a PS3. If you don't want to buy one relative to the games currently out you'd like to play, I suppose I can buy that. But this "no games worth playing never" shit is frivolous and old.
Lotsa, lotsa, lotsa good exclusives worth picking up on BR. Maybe you can spend $500 importing would-be-Blu-Rays on HD DVD?
EDIT: Mana Knight was banned, eh? Heh.[/QUOTE]
I still have 0 games for the PS3 and no interest in any currently available or announced. The only time I used the controller was for an hour of Full Auto 2 and to do firmware updates. T
Linkin, easiest/cheapest way to get into BR these days is the 40GB with the Sonystyle credit card for $300. You get SM3 in the box, and the 5 free by mail, but none of the other free movies. But it's _$300_. That actually what I told my parents to do when they called yesterday and asked what kind of BR player they should get.
And just to get Myke's goat, for them there ARE no games worth getting on the PS3. My mom's mostly into puzzles, and I haven't seen a decent one for the PS3 yet, and only one or two for the 360. But she'll be perfectly happy upscaling her PS1 puzzle games and using the wireless controller. Which I guess begs the question....are there any decent puzzle games on PSN? I haven't looked.
[quote name='dallow']When are you going to join the rest of your HD DVD buddies and pick up a BD player sporadic?[/QUOTE]
I think that the HD kids need to start referring to themselves as a certain proportion HD-exclusive. If we are to believe Gizmo's hidef video collection as stated in his signature, he's only 64.4% HD-exclusive. I'd estimate geko to be 75-80%+ (geko is new to the world of BR).
As far as I can tell, only Sporadic and Linkin are 100%.
[quote name='geko29']And just to get Myke's goat, for them there ARE no games worth getting on the PS3. My mom's mostly into puzzles, and I haven't seen a decent one for the PS3 yet, and only one or two for the 360. But she'll be perfectly happy upscaling her PS1 puzzle games and using the wireless controller. Which I guess begs the question....are there any decent puzzle games on PSN? I haven't looked.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, because I don't play puzzle games (though I dig the NYT crossword until Thursday, when it's too in' tough for me, and the occasional sudoku book when sitting in an airport and the like).
Don't get me wrong, I truly believe that *they* don't think there are, or will be, any worthwhile games for the system. Likewise, I met (and was, lamentably) enough teenage too-cool-for-school punk rock kids who would flat-out refuse to listen to, say "major label" acts. So, of course, you'd play something for them that they'd dig, and they'd say "aw, this is awesome! Who is it?" To which the answer would be "oh, they're so-and-so" (ostensibly a band on Epitaph or some other *ahem* "major" label).
Needless to say, "awesome" went to "oh, I guess they're all right" rather quickly.
It's a dunderheaded sort of mentality that requires a completely undefendable argument (no games now, no games ever worth playing), in addition to a great deal of obvious post-hoc mind-changing and cognitive dissonance in order to maintain an allegedly "consistent" viewpoint.
But I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know, I'm sure.
On that note, I'll see y'all later. I'm going to go play Uncharted no game at all, since I'll be on my PS3.
[quote name='mykevermin']I'd estimate geko to be 75-80%+ (geko is new to the world of BR).[/quote]
As best as I can tell (I can't remember for sure how many discs I have out on loan, I think it's 6), I have 82 HD DVDs and 15 Blu-Rays. So you're pretty close. If those numbers are right, my collection is 85% HD DVD. That doesn't include discs I've bought as Christmas gifts for the wife and kid, which, given my existing collection, are understandably skewed Blu. After Christmas, we'll probably be 78% HD DVD.
If it had been cheap enough, I probably would have gone neutral sooner, because at the end of the day, regardless of my format preference, I'm a movie fan. And no matter one's taste, there's too many worthwhile titles on both sides to be stuck with one (IMO, of course).
[quote name='dallow']When are you going to join the rest of your HD DVD buddies and pick up a BD player sporadic?[/QUOTE]
$250 or lower.
I am looking into a Blu/HD-DVD combo drive for my Dad's computer though so I don't have to field questions like "when is Wild Hog coming out on HD" followed by a pouty look when I tell him it's Blu exclusive. Guess you could call me purple by proxy then. Plus it would also curve my appetite since I could watch Dawn/Day Of The Dead and a few other films on his set-up.
On that note, I have been spreading the HD-DVD word to friends and family. Current number of players pushed, 3
[quote name='mykevermin']I'm not privvy to being bitchslapped. But, you know, go right ahead. The long term cost of importing is absurd considering what you'd get with a PS3.
It's a debate for the ages as to which method is more "cheap ass," I suppose.[/QUOTE]
Wink means joke but again unless you plan on buying 30+ imports or something crazy like that, price wise you are coming off better with imports.
My current import bill (including shipping):
Total Recall (France) = $34.22
Mulholland Drive (France) = $35.63
Terminator 2: Judgement Day (France) = $35.63
Elephant Man (France) = $34.39
Serpico (France) = $31.44
Perfume: The Story Of A Murderer (Germany) = $40.00
Band Of Brothers Vol. 1-5 (Japan) = $80
The Machinist (Japan) = $20.75
The Pianist (UK) = $33.21
The Prestige (UK) = $33.21
Reservoir Dogs (Netherlands) = $30.02
Doing the math,
15 titles
11 titles currently not available in America on either format (12 if you count the Director's Cut of T2 that comes in the 2 disc set from France which isn't available anywhere else in HD)
$408.50 spent overall
And considering that Blu-Ray titles aren't free (using $19.95 as price point), I've only spent $109.25 extra on imports.
I have a long way to go before I reach the price of a Blu player. Plus I doubt I'll ever reach it. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking about getting Running Scared, Jimi Hendrix Live and the Indiana Jones movies but that's it for now. There's nothing currently on the horizon (that I've heard about) that I want.
- edit [quote name='mykevermin']As far as I can tell, only Sporadic and Linkin are 100%.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm 100% HD-DVD at the moment with 70 movies purchased (including pre-orders and things on the way)
Own:
2001: A Space Odyssey (Special Edition)
A Clockwork Orange (Special Edition)
The Adventures Of Robin Hood
A Scanner Darkly
Band Of Brothers Vol 1
Band Of Brothers Vol 2
Band Of Brothers Vol 3
Band Of Brothers Vol 4
Band Of Brothers Vol 5
Being John Malkovich
The Big Lebowski
Black Snake Moan
Casablanca
Casino
Carlito's Way
Cream: Royal Albert Hall London
Dawn Of The Dead
Deep Purple: Live at Montreaux
The Deer Hunter
Dog Day Afternoon
The Elephant Man
Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind
Eyes Wide Shut (Special Edition)
Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas
Full Metal Jacket (Special Edition)
Forbidden Planet
The Fountain
Galapagos
The Host
Hot Fuzz
King Kong
The Machinist
Motörhead: Stage Fright
Mulholland Drive
Nine Inch Nails: Beside You In Time
One Six Right
Perfume: Story Of A Murderer
The Pianist
Planet Earth
The Prestige
The Rundown
Seabiscuit
The Searchers
Serpico
Shaun Of The Dead
The Shining (Special Edition)
Spartacus
Terminator II
Total Recall
Trading Places
We Were Soldiers
The Wild Bunch
Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory
The World's Fastest Indian
On Order:
Assault on Precinct 13
The Bourne Identity (The Bourne Trilogy from Amazon)
The Bourne Supremacy (The Bourne Trilogy from Amazon)
Pride and Prejudice
Reservoir Dogs
Tremors
Unleashed
Pre Order:
Blade Runner: Complete Collector's Edition
Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same
The Omega Man
Pan's Labyrinth
Queen Rock Montreal
The Best Of HD-DVD Vol.3: Blazing Saddles
The Best Of HD-DVD Vol.3: The Departed
The Best Of HD-DVD Vol.3: GoodFellas
The Bourne Ultimatum (The Bourne Trilogy from Amazon)
[quote name='mykevermin']Won't be playing any games on it? Jesus, what a in' poser.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: you have to try *really in' hard* to claim that there are absolutely no games you'd ever want to play on a PS3. If you don't want to buy one relative to the games currently out you'd like to play, I suppose I can buy that. But this "no games worth playing never" shit is frivolous and old.
Lotsa, lotsa, lotsa good exclusives worth picking up on BR. Maybe you can spend $500 importing would-be-Blu-Rays on HD DVD?
EDIT: Mana Knight was banned, eh? Heh.[/quote]
I didn't say never...I'm sure I'll get one by fall '08 or sometime after and by then there should be some titles besides Ratchet & Clank. There's also Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and Heavenly Sword but my 2 hardcore Playstation friends regreted their purchase of both as they said they were too short and were rentals at best.
I don't get why you bring up The Mana Knight...what does he have to do with me?
[quote name='mykevermin']y'oughta rent Uncharted at least.
If you can find a place that rents PS3 software, which, evidently, can't be classified as a "game" according to some folks here.[/QUOTE]
A user on these forums is letting me borrow it.
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix Puzzle 8.5 Aug 30, 2007
Piyotama Puzzle 7.5 Aug 9, 2007
Lemmings Puzzle 7.5 Dec 15, 2006
Go! Sudoku Puzzle 7.1 Dec 14, 2006
And Skyscraper.
And of course there is Super Stardust HD, which isn't a puzzle game, but one of my favorite games of the year.
And Myke, read my sig as to why these guys will never like a game on the PS3.
And anyone who says that they aren't excited about Little Big Planet simply must not like fun games.
[quote name='mykevermin']I think that the HD kids need to start referring to themselves as a certain proportion HD-exclusive. If we are to believe Gizmo's hidef video collection as stated in his signature, he's only 64.4% HD-exclusive. I'd estimate geko to be 75-80%+ (geko is new to the world of BR).
As far as I can tell, only Sporadic and Linkin are 100%.[/QUOTE]
And as soon as I get around to watching all these BOGO Blu-rays I bought, they will be resold and I will be down to 20-25 on Blu-ray like normal, while I tend to keep the majority of my HD DVD purchases.
[quote name='GizmoGC']And as soon as I get around to watching all these BOGO Blu-rays I bought, they will be resold and I will be down to 20-25 on Blu-ray like normal, while I tend to keep the majority of my HD DVD purchases.[/quote]
Good for you
Someone unban ManaKnight so things can be even again
[quote name='mykevermin']Won't be playing any games on it? Jesus, what a in' poser.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: you have to try *really in' hard* to claim that there are absolutely no games you'd ever want to play on a PS3. If you don't want to buy one relative to the games currently out you'd like to play, I suppose I can buy that. But this "no games worth playing never" shit is frivolous and old.
Lotsa, lotsa, lotsa good exclusives worth picking up on BR. Maybe you can spend $500 importing would-be-Blu-Rays on HD DVD?
EDIT: Mana Knight was banned, eh? Heh.[/QUOTE]
there's games i want to play on ps3, but they're all on 360 too
i've had my ps3 for about 4 months now and the only thing I've played was MK2 online and heavenly sword for 5 hours til i beat it
i used to be 100% HD DVD, but too many Blu Ray sales, now i'm at 66 HD DVD's (i guess 71 if the mail in rebate ones ever come) and 62 blu rays.
but there's many more blu rays I want in the coming months than HD DVD, so guessing blu ray gonna surpass HD DVD by years end.
I saw the Blu-Ray endcap at my local Target today, very impressive I must say, Sony must have forked out quite a bit of money for that. It was a flat panel HDTV with the $399 BR player and it showed clips of movies, some of which didn't look as good as I hoped (Finding Nemo) and some better than I expected (Pirates Of The Caribbean). The announcer talks about the exclusive formats that are releasing movies on Blu-Ray and pretty anything else to try to convince passersby to go Blu.
Toshiba needs to do something to counter-attact these types of marketing if they hope to gain more ground, fast & soon.
I saw the Blu-Ray endcap at my local Target today, very impressive I must say, Sony must have forked out quite a bit of money for that. It was a flat panel HDTV with the $399 BR player and it showed clips of movies, some of which didn't look as good as I hoped (Finding Nemo) and some better than I expected (Pirates Of The Caribbean). The announcer talks about the exclusive formats that are releasing movies on Blu-Ray and pretty anything else to try to convince passersby to go Blu.
Toshiba needs to do something to counter-attact these types of marketing if they hope to gain more ground, fast & soon.[/quote]
Actually I mentioned ManaKnight first, he simply replied "out loud" to that, or to me, I dunno (semantics really...)
True, since whatever the public is exposed to the most seems to be more easily accepted as the format of choice, and that's what the Blu Ray dudes seem to be doing a lot now. Honestly, I have yet to see one HD-DVD demo display/endcap whatever you call those thingys.
Oh I see...I've been attacked many times since I became mod, some without my knowledge, just wondering if something was going on that I should know about...guess I am paranoid.
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Oh I see...I've been attacked many times since I became mod, some without my knowledge, just wondering if something was going on that I should know about...guess I am paranoid.[/quote] lol, I was just wondering randomly as to why ManaKnight was banned, since I got a message from him on PSN the other day and I was like..."really?" and the post just ended up on this thread, since a majority of you dudes have had "run-ins" with him.
When I'm curious, I'M CURIOUS. I ask a lot of questions
I saw the Blu-Ray endcap at my local Target today, very impressive I must say, Sony must have forked out quite a bit of money for that. It was a flat panel HDTV with the $399 BR player and it showed clips of movies, some of which didn't look as good as I hoped (Finding Nemo) and some better than I expected (Pirates Of The Caribbean). The announcer talks about the exclusive formats that are releasing movies on Blu-Ray and pretty anything else to try to convince passersby to go Blu.
Toshiba needs to do something to counter-attact these types of marketing if they hope to gain more ground, fast & soon.[/QUOTE]
I saw this display at my local Target as well. I wasn't impressed by the video quality. Everything looked grainy and the colors were week. Thinking that Target employees had incorrectly hooked up the display, I decided to check the connection: it was component alright, not HDMI. I wasn't too impressed in the end 'cause it looked like an upscaled DVD.
[quote name='doctorfaustus']I saw this display at my local Target as well. I wasn't impressed by the video quality. Everything looked grainy and the colors were week. Thinking that Target employees had incorrectly hooked up the display, I decided to check the connection: it was component alright, not HDMI. I wasn't too impressed in the end 'cause it looked like an upscaled DVD.[/QUOTE]
It probably was set up to display in 480i as well.
[quote name='doctorfaustus']I saw this display at my local Target as well. I wasn't impressed by the video quality. Everything looked grainy and the colors were week. Thinking that Target employees had incorrectly hooked up the display, I decided to check the connection: it was component alright, not HDMI. I wasn't too impressed in the end 'cause it looked like an upscaled DVD.[/quote]
There is no difference in picture quality between Component and HDMI. The idea that HDMI is better is a lie foisted on you by the CE companies. Either the player was set for low-res output as RJ suggested, or the TV was WAY out of calibration.
[quote name='GizmoGC']I still have 0 games for the PS3 and no interest in any currently available or announced. The only time I used the controller was for an hour of Full Auto 2 and to do firmware updates. T[/quote]You have pretty shitty taste in games though.
[quote name='mykevermin']I think that the HD kids need to start referring to themselves as a certain proportion HD-exclusive. If we are to believe Gizmo's hidef video collection as stated in his signature, he's only 64.4% HD-exclusive. I'd estimate geko to be 75-80%+ (geko is new to the world of BR).
As far as I can tell, only Sporadic and Linkin are 100%.[/QUOTE]
I'm exclusive too, although I'm not sure I count only having about ten movies.
It's just way too expensive right now for me to buy a PS3, the only BD player I'd consider. Do I want it? Yes. Will I get it? Perhaps when I get certified and start working again.
But the thing that seems to be the BD group selling point - Disney - isn't a selling point for me. Sure, there are a few movies that pique my interest like POTC, but all these kids movies in HD? Why? Do my twins care if their Monsters Inc is in 480i or 720p? Absolutely not, and by the time they do, we'll certainly have moved on to the next phase of optical media.
[quote name='GizmoGC']And as soon as I get around to watching all these BOGO Blu-rays I bought, they will be resold and I will be down to 20-25 on Blu-ray like normal, while I tend to keep the majority of my HD DVD purchases.[/quote]S'coo, so long as you purchase and not rent these titles. Keep supporting Blu-Ray with your $$$.
[quote name='doctorfaustus']I saw this display at my local Target as well. I wasn't impressed by the video quality. Everything looked grainy and the colors were week. Thinking that Target employees had incorrectly hooked up the display, I decided to check the connection: it was component alright, not HDMI. I wasn't too impressed in the end 'cause it looked like an upscaled DVD.[/QUOTE]
Well it couldn't have been upscaled because upscaling can only be done through HDMI, DVI, or anything that can decode HDCP (High-Bandwith Digital Content Protection).
[quote name='orimental']Well it couldn't have been upscaled because upscaling can only be done through HDMI, DVI, or anything that can decode HDCP (High-Bandwith Digital Content Protection).[/QUOTE]
Yeah, your're right. Boy, that diplay needed some help. All I know BR looks way better than what I saw yesterday.
in' poser.
