Lost Season 4 Discussion - Because You Left

definately michael is somewhere to pop up soon. I think he IS Ben's guy on the boat. Harrold Perrineaux (sp?) is the actor's real name, and it's been popping up in the credits since season 4 started.

So I think he'll pop up any time now
 
so i thought about something this morning i didnt think about last night

so 8 people "survived" and 6 got off the island. it had to of been known that kate wasnt pregnant before she got on the plane and that claire was. so maybe kate adopted aaron (well obviously she did) and thats why her lawyer was saying hed generate a lot of sympathy. but also that means this...


oceanic 6

1. jack
2. hurley
3. sayid
4. kate
5. ???
6. ??? (Maybe Aaron).

Didn't "survive" on the island

7. Claire
8. ???

I know that john doesn't want to leave the island at all, but so far only main main characters are getting off the island, i mean i dont think well see bernard as one of the 6. so that makes me think that we will see locke in a wheel chair pretty soon. theres only a few other "main" characters left; sun, jin, sawyer and locke, and theres also the outside possibility that michael or walt could be one of the 6.
 
Don't forget Linus...he was in Sayid's episode... also Jack was lying to get Kate off.. there are definitely more than 8 people who survived. He just said 8
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']so i thought about something this morning i didnt think about last night

so 8 people "survived" and 6 got off the island. it had to of been known that kate wasnt pregnant before she got on the plane and that claire was. so maybe kate adopted aaron (well obviously she did) and thats why her lawyer was saying hed generate a lot of sympathy. but also that means this...


oceanic 6

1. jack
2. hurley
3. sayid
4. kate
5. ???
6. ??? (Maybe Aaron).

Didn't "survive" on the island

7. Claire
8. ???

I know that john doesn't want to leave the island at all, but so far only main main characters are getting off the island, i mean i dont think well see bernard as one of the 6. so that makes me think that we will see locke in a wheel chair pretty soon. theres only a few other "main" characters left; sun, jin, sawyer and locke, and theres also the outside possibility that michael or walt could be one of the 6.
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unless locke stays and is the person in control of the island and ben is dealing with everything off the island
 
[quote name='DJSteel']
Don't forget Linus...he was in Sayid's episode... also Jack was lying to get Kate off.. there are definitely more than 8 people who survived. He just said 8
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really? he lied? i must have missed that.
 
Jack's story is a huge lie. Theres like a million survivors. Even now isn't there still a couple faceless background people? He meant that 8 people survived from the crash, but only 6 made it back.

Regarding the "he" of the very first flash forward in last seasons finale, it could still be Sawyer. We don't know the timeline of all the flash forwards but it would make sense that the alcholic broken down Jack would be after the put together Doctor that went to testify at Kate's trial and visit Hurley at the mental institute. Hurley going nuts might just be the beginning of the downfall.
 
well, the story jack told on the stand is obviously a lie (kate says "you've told that story so many times your starting to think its true")

as far as the Oceanic 6, I don't think baby Aaron counts (he wasn't on the flight manifest because he wasn't born yet)

my theory is that Sawyer doesn't make it back (I think hes gonna get killed by Locke, trying to protect Kate at some point). The final 2 are going to be Sun and either Walt or Michael.

Also, my long term theory is once Lost is all said and done... we are going to realize that Ben has been right all this time...and if you go back and watch it from the beginning, your going to keep saying "why didn't they just listen to Ben!?"
 
HAND GRENADES?! FOR BREAKFAST?!

I think Locke has finally lost it.

Now, the submarine was blown up last season -- but the Others still have a boat! They captured Desmond's sailboat in The Glass Ballerina...and no mention of it has been made since. Did everyone just forget about it? It wasn't at the boat house. Maybe its still at the Hydra with a few other Others?

"3.2 million? Why not 3.3, or 3.4?"
 
ALSO the memory game they couldnt remember the cards wonder what was up with that


As many others here and/or elsewhere have observed,
it's most likely just a cool-looking and succinct way of telling the audience that Daniel has short-term memory issues that he's working on overcoming. There's nothing 'psychic' demonstrated in the scene. Charlotte even says "Okay...time." What probably transpired was that he was given a few seconds to study the cards, then they were turned over for seconds or even a minute or two, and then he had to demonstrate some retention.

They captured Desmond's sailboat in The Glass Ballerina...and no mention of it has been made since.

I know it's not canon, but if you watch the most recent trailer for the game, it pretty clearly shows the boat being blown up next to a dock. That might be all the explanation we get (or the show might just flat-out contradict the game in the coming episodes).

I thought desmond was talking to a future desmond. OR it could even back in the 70s since it looked like an old class room... Maybe they was pushing their theories back in the 70s

If you're referring to the preview for next week's episode, well, again, I watched it and freeze-framed it quite a bit, and he's confronting Dan...with longer hair. I could see Desmond shaving and getting a haircut on the boat (by choice or by force), but what Dan would be doing back there with significant time having lapsed...well, I guess we find out about that next week. Unless next week is next year.

LOST.
 
Quoted from a commenter at TV Squad:

"yes, aaron counts as one of the six. the producers said that one of the six would be revealed this episode, and there was nobody other than aaron."

I'm pretty sure they did say in commercials that one of the Six would be revealed but I could be wrong.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']P.S. In the last scene, I'm hoping
everyone noticed the paint job in Aaron's room? Look familiar?
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I didn't really pay attention to the background. Does it represent the island? :whistle2:s
 
I think it was the same as the room being put together for him in the medical station on the island.

Also, whoever said that Nadia was dead- She's not. I'm 99% sure that was her on Kate's jury.
 
How can Aaron count as one of the Six? He didn't exist on the manifest. That means as far as the world is concerned, how can Aaron have been on the flight? Sure, technically he was on the flight since he was in the still-pregnant Claire but I can't believe he counts as one of the Six.
 
[quote name='karsh']How can Aaron count as one of the Six? He didn't exist on the manifest. That means as far as the world is concerned, how can Aaron have been on the flight? Sure, technically he was on the flight since he was in the still-pregnant Claire but I can't believe he counts as one of the Six.[/quote]

HAHAHA, a subtle argument for when exactly life begins, maybe?

"He was a damn fetus, not a living person, so he doesn't count!"
 
Yeah, there's more than 8 back on the island. If 6 got off and 2 died, why go back? Jack obviously wants to go back because of his need to save people. But the reason why the 6 pretend to the world that they are all dead is still a mystery.
 
Perhaps so the world doesn't go looking for the rest? Because of all the crazy shit that went down on the island?

How exactly could they just explain away the dead US marshall (Jack: "well, yes he was returning Kate to the states, and was badly injured in the crash and was dying a slow painful death unless we got rescued, so after a couple days this conman Sawyer shot him but only put him in more suffering, so I suffocated him/broke his neck."), the couple that got buried alive, the batshit crazy Others and their shenanigans, Shannon, Boone, Mr. Eko, Michael going off the deep end and offing Ana Lucia and Hurley's girl...just for starters.

While I love the show, it's a bit hard to swallow the suspension of disbelief now required for it. I.e. just imagine an airplane full of every day people, same as Oceanic flight 815 should be. Now how many people on such a flight would be murderers (before even getting to the their time and experiences on the island with many situations that brought up/required killing/murder? Conmen/women? It's just crazy.

Before getting on that plane, thus far we know the following to be murderers:

Sawyer
Kate
Sayid
Eko
Ana Lucia

Sun could have been, she seemed ready willing and able to do so
 
With Sun I never understood why she gave the money to Jin's mother. Taking the money from her father is what caused Jin to be indebted into a life of crime. She could have just gave that death threat to Jin's mom and not borrow the money from her father. The mother wouldn't have talked because Sun's father is a crime lord that could kill her without a second thought (certainly to avoid the shame of it all), Jin would still be a regular guy. But I guess that flies in the face of the "fate" aspect of the show. If Sun didn't give that money to Jin's mother, he never would have had to deliver the watch later, Sun wouldn't need to leave him because of what his new job was, they never would have been on the plane.
 
[quote name='karkyco']Perhaps so the world doesn't go looking for the rest? Because of all the crazy shit that went down on the island?

How exactly could they just explain away the dead US marshall (Jack: "well, yes he was returning Kate to the states, and was badly injured in the crash and was dying a slow painful death unless we got rescued, so after a couple days this conman Sawyer shot him but only put him in more suffering, so I suffocated him/broke his neck."), the couple that got buried alive, the batshit crazy Others and their shenanigans, Shannon, Boone, Mr. Eko, Michael going off the deep end and offing Ana Lucia and Hurley's girl...just for starters.

While I love the show, it's a bit hard to swallow the suspension of disbelief now required for it. I.e. just imagine an airplane full of every day people, same as Oceanic flight 815 should be. Now how many people on such a flight would be murderers (before even getting to the their time and experiences on the island with many situations that brought up/required killing/murder? Conmen/women? It's just crazy.

Before getting on that plane, thus far we know the following to be murderers:

Sawyer
Kate
Sayid
Eko
Ana Lucia

Sun could have been, she seemed ready willing and able to do so[/QUOTE]

I'd follow Locke's logic, in that each of these people were brought to the island for a reason. It wasn't an airplane full of every day people.
 
I think it was the same as the room being put together for him in the medical station on the island.

There you go. It's admittedly a small touch, but it's interesting nonetheless.
 
RE: Aaron

It may well be that Claire ends up dying, but did anyone else get the feeling that Claire might still be on the island in the future and that Kate took Aaron of her own volition?

More importantly, in "Raised By Another", the psychic told Claire that the baby needed her good influence in its life. He said that if her child was raised by anyone else, terrible things would happen.

Also, a must read interview with lindelof and Cuse: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125,00.html
 
Thanks... I didn't think about it at all during the show, but I was in the shower after getting home from the gym tonight and it just dawned on me.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']What a coincidence, I think about Kate in the shower too.[/QUOTE]

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Well what guy wouldn't? ;)
 
wonder since he was born on the island if he will age slower? then again maybe that is what they were injectin the baby with. something to make his body age normal
 
Saw this on a Lost message board, thought it to be one of the more plausible theories/speculations I've seen in quite awhile.

"Eggtown"-specific spoiler:
What if Miles was speaking in code to Ben? What if he's the "man on the boat"? One, the show is all about misdirection and playing on our expectations and assumptions. We assume Miles would extort Ben because we he's repeatedly demonstrated amoral posturing and we saw him 'ghostbusting for dollars'. We are starting to assume that Michael is on the boat because Harold Perrineau's name keeps popping up in the credits. Wouldn't it also be safe to assume that the show's creators and writers are multiple steps ahead of us? And doesn't that amount of money seem odd? What else could they be communicating when Ben asks "Why not 3.3? Or 3.4?" And why would Miles be "exactly where I want to be" in the boathouse? And why did he just want to see him for one minute? Then again, they could be thinking we'd be using Naomi's code language as a precedent....
 
I hope that theory plays out if only because they desperately need to give us reason to like Miles. Just about every "villain" (term used very loosely) so far was very likeable. Ethan, Ben, Richard Alpert...but Miles is just an asshole Ghostbuster wannabe so far.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']I hope that theory plays out if only because they desperately need to give us reason to like Miles. Just about every "villain" (term used very loosely) so far was very likeable. Ethan, Ben, Richard Alpert...but Miles is just an asshole Ghostbuster wannabe so far.[/quote]

He's the Steve Buschemi of the show right now...I don't see any harm in that.
 
I hope that theory plays out if only because they desperately need to give us reason to like Miles. Just about every "villain" (term used very loosely) so far was very likeable. Ethan, Ben, Richard Alpert...but Miles is just an asshole Ghostbuster wannabe so far.

I don't know if "likable" is the word I would use for Ethan. Maybe "intriguing". And "intimidating as hell", of course.

It occurred to me after I posted that theory that
Miles did ask for privacy right off the bat. I'm sure he wasn't counting on it, but it would've made his job that much easier if it were granted. He's not unlikable in the same way Paulo and Nikki were as a pair, as they just always felt shoehorned in and irrelevant. I get the impression Miles might have an 'emerging' role over this season and possibly beyond. I think they're setting us up to have contempt for him.
 
I thought Ethan was likeable. They set him up as this borderline killing machine but later it makes more sense. He genuinely cared for Clare. His wife died from the island curse or whatever it is, so Clare was like a chance to finally solve the pregnancy curse. I really like the actor too. If you have not seen In The Bedroom, give it a rent. The guy needs to be in more movies.

[quote name='becuzimbrown']whats with all this Egg stuff? and why was it called Eggtown?[/quote]

Maybe it's a Caketown reference. http://youtube.com/watch?v=gNqiSkd1M6k
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']I hope that theory plays out if only because they desperately need to give us reason to like Miles. Just about every "villain" (term used very loosely) so far was very likeable. Ethan, Ben, Richard Alpert...but Miles is just an asshole Ghostbuster wannabe so far.

I don't know if "likable" is the word I would use for Ethan. Maybe "intriguing". And "intimidating as hell", of course.

It occurred to me after I posted that theory that
Miles did ask for privacy right off the bat. I'm sure he wasn't counting on it, but it would've made his job that much easier if it were granted. He's not unlikable in the same way Paulo and Nikki were as a pair, as they just always felt shoehorned in and irrelevant. I get the impression Miles might have an 'emerging' role over this season and possibly beyond. I think they're setting us up to have contempt for him.
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They have a very simple way to make Miles likable: Some great cause for the $3.2 million he wants.
 
I'm perplexed and befuddled by this episode. Two things I do know though .. Hurley might as well be called Gilligan. Why anyone ever trusts him to do anything or keep any secret, I dont know. And Locke is now officially a bad ass with that whole grenade thing and punishing people for breaking rules.

Also, I was wondering .. why do people want to get off the island so bad? With the exception of Clare (for the sake of Aaron) it seems as if everyone was gonna kill themselves or go to jail anyway. Why not just be on the island and live life?
 
[quote name='Matt Young']RE: Aaron

It may well be that Claire ends up dying, but did anyone else get the feeling that Claire might still be on the island in the future and that Kate took Aaron of her own volition?

More importantly, in "Raised By Another", the psychic told Claire that the baby needed her good influence in its life. He said that if her child was raised by anyone else, terrible things would happen.

Also, a must read interview with lindelof and Cuse: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125,00.html[/quote]

Nice. Semi good to know their take on alternate realities, though they've changed their minds before (or had just been flat out lying).

And now the video game isn't canon? Pfft, that blows...wonder if it will be worth playing it then? Hopefully it won't just be odd mundane menial tasks like fetching water and Dharma brand mayonaise. At least let us be able to spy on Kate, Shannon, Sun, and Claire post-baby in their undies while sun bathing.

CUSE: The mobisodes are in canon. The Orchid video is in canon. The videogame is not in canon. It's unfair for the audience to go to ancillary sources in order to really understand the show. Even the things like the mobisodes, which are in canon, aren't essential to your understanding of the show. These things are just added bonuses.
 
Episode 4.05: The Constant (Desmond-centric)
Airdate: February 28, 2008
  • new.gif
    02/23 - Sayid and Desmond hit a bit of turbulence on the way to the freighter, which causes Desmond to experience some unexpected side effects. Guest starring are Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Sonya Walger as Penelope "Penny" Widmore, Graham McTavish as sergeant, Darren Keefe as Billy, Edward Conery as auctioneer, Marc Vann as doctor, Fisher Stevens as George Minkowski, Kevin Durand as Keamy and Anthony Azizi as Omar. Source: ABC
  • 02/12 - Sayid and Desmond hit a bit of turbulence on the way to the freighter, which causes Desmond to experience some unexpected side effects. Guest starring are Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Sonya Walger as Penelope "Penny" Widmore, Graham McTavish as sergeant, Darren Keefe as Billy, Edward Conery as auctioneer, Marc Vann as doctor, Fisher Stevens as George Minkowski, Kevin Durand as Keamy and Anthony Azizi as Omar. Source: ABC
  • 01/19 - Even though episode 5 is a Desmond episode, one of the boaties, Jeremy Davies, appears in the episode as a professor of physics at Oxford. Source: DocArzt's Lost Blog
  • 10/02 - RAY: 40s-50s, any ethnicity, psychiatrist, cold, professional type who can do what's necessary to get the job done. ALFRED: 40s-50s, Caucasian, British, cool and calm under pressure, knows his place in society and knows how to handle members of the upper classes. BANNERMAN: Mid 40s, any ethnicity, narcoleptic, can fall asleep at the drop of a hat, but has an important piece of information to tell. A very smart technician by trade. BILLY: Mid to late 20s, Caucasian, British, a good buddy to have, willingly to listen but won't take too much gruff before he'll knock you in line. FOLEY: 40s - 50s, any ethnicity, British, physically fit, tough task master, unrelenting. A performance reminiscent of R. Lee Ermey in "Full Metal Jacket". LARSON: Late 20s - 30s, any ethnicity, smart, dangerous but capable of charm and humor. Tough military type. Follows orders and doesn't question them. Possible recurring character. KEAMY: Late 20s - 30s, any ethnicity, dangerous, physical - a great tactician, loyal friend and the last enemy you ever want. Military type. Follows orders and doesn't question them. Possible recurring character. Source: Lost Spoilers
  • 10/02 - 4.05 could be Desmond-centric. Lost of British soldier types. Also in the episode and possibly recurring, Ray, a coldly professional psychiatrist. Source: secretagentman @ TWoP
 
[quote name='DJSteel']
Episode 4.05: The Constant (Desmond-centric)
Airdate: February 28, 2008
  • new.gif
    02/23 - Sayid and Desmond hit a bit of turbulence on the way to the freighter, which causes Desmond to experience some unexpected side effects. Guest starring are Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Sonya Walger as Penelope "Penny" Widmore, Graham McTavish as sergeant, Darren Keefe as Billy, Edward Conery as auctioneer, Marc Vann as doctor, Fisher Stevens as George Minkowski, Kevin Durand as Keamy and Anthony Azizi as Omar. Source: ABC
  • 02/12 - Sayid and Desmond hit a bit of turbulence on the way to the freighter, which causes Desmond to experience some unexpected side effects. Guest starring are Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Jeff Fahey as Frank Lapidus, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Sonya Walger as Penelope "Penny" Widmore, Graham McTavish as sergeant, Darren Keefe as Billy, Edward Conery as auctioneer, Marc Vann as doctor, Fisher Stevens as George Minkowski, Kevin Durand as Keamy and Anthony Azizi as Omar. Source: ABC
  • 01/19 - Even though episode 5 is a Desmond episode, one of the boaties, Jeremy Davies, appears in the episode as a professor of physics at Oxford. Source: DocArzt's Lost Blog
  • 10/02 - RAY: 40s-50s, any ethnicity, psychiatrist, cold, professional type who can do what's necessary to get the job done. ALFRED: 40s-50s, Caucasian, British, cool and calm under pressure, knows his place in society and knows how to handle members of the upper classes. BANNERMAN: Mid 40s, any ethnicity, narcoleptic, can fall asleep at the drop of a hat, but has an important piece of information to tell. A very smart technician by trade. BILLY: Mid to late 20s, Caucasian, British, a good buddy to have, willingly to listen but won't take too much gruff before he'll knock you in line. FOLEY: 40s - 50s, any ethnicity, British, physically fit, tough task master, unrelenting. A performance reminiscent of R. Lee Ermey in "Full Metal Jacket". LARSON: Late 20s - 30s, any ethnicity, smart, dangerous but capable of charm and humor. Tough military type. Follows orders and doesn't question them. Possible recurring character. KEAMY: Late 20s - 30s, any ethnicity, dangerous, physical - a great tactician, loyal friend and the last enemy you ever want. Military type. Follows orders and doesn't question them. Possible recurring character. Source: Lost Spoilers
  • 10/02 - 4.05 could be Desmond-centric. Lost of British soldier types. Also in the episode and possibly recurring, Ray, a coldly professional psychiatrist. Source: secretagentman @ TWoP
[/quote]

Cool. I find Desmond's storyline the most fascinating.
 
I wonder if Jack's relationship with Kate in the future gives us some clues of what going to happen on the island.
Kate says they can't see each other until he visits the baby. He knows that the baby is Aaron yet what are his reasons for not visiting. He must know that Aaron is his nephew and Claire is is half-sister. I'm curious if something happened to Claire that is so painful that Jack can't see his own nephew. And if something did happen to Claire does Jack find himself responsible.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']I wonder if Jack's relationship with Kate in the future gives us some clues of what going to happen on the island.
Kate says they can't see each other until he visits the baby. He knows that the baby is Aaron yet what are his reasons for not visiting. He must know that Aaron is his nephew and Claire is is half-sister. I'm curious if something happened to Claire that is so painful that Jack can't see his own nephew. And if something did happen to Claire does Jack find himself responsible.
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Maybe Claire did something that cause people to die.. or something horrible.. hell. Maybe Jack had to kill or mistaken killed Claire.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']I wonder if Jack's relationship with Kate in the future gives us some clues of what going to happen on the island.
Kate says they can't see each other until he visits the baby. He knows that the baby is Aaron yet what are his reasons for not visiting. He must know that Aaron is his nephew and Claire is is half-sister. I'm curious if something happened to Claire that is so painful that Jack can't see his own nephew. And if something did happen to Claire does Jack find himself responsible.
[/quote]

I'm guessing Jack kills Claire.
 
I'm guessing Jack bangs Claire and then finds out that she is his half sister immediately thereafter which causes him to vomit all over the bed and then Claire gets pissed and says something like "don't give me that shit I know you knew who I was - I sure knew you were my brother" and then Jack flips out and cuts her up into little pieces and there's just blood and vomit everywhere and then when Hurley walks in Jack tells him it's not bloody vomit and that he dropped a giant meat lasagna on the bed and Hurley is like "dude I would have eaten that" and then they have a laugh but Jack really feels guilty so he decides to never see Aaron. THAT WILL HAPPEN!!!!
 
[quote name='javeryh']I'm guessing Jack bangs Claire and then finds out that she is his half sister immediately thereafter which causes him to vomit all over the bed and then Claire gets pissed and says something like "don't give me that shit I know you knew who I was - I sure knew you were my brother" and then Jack flips out and cuts her up into little pieces and there's just blood and vomit everywhere and then when Hurley walks in Jack tells him it's not bloody vomit and that he dropped a giant meat lasagna on the bed and Hurley is like "dude I would have eaten that" and then they have a laugh but Jack really feels guilty so he decides to never see Aaron. THAT WILL HAPPEN!!!![/quote]

Ok never would have even thought of the incest angle but hey they tried to work that in with Shannon and Boone. Maybe, Claire gets critically injured and Jack tries to save her but fails and the guilt of not being able to save his sister is too much.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']Ok never would have even thought of the incest angle but hey they tried to work that in with Shannon and Boone. Maybe, Claire gets critically injured and Jack tries to save her but fails and the guilt of not being able to save his sister is too much.[/quote]

Ah but Shannon and Boone weren't blood relatives (step siblings), as opposed to Jack and Clair, who are half siblings.
 
after waiting a year for these episodes its going to be brutal waiting for the last 5.

also, my guess is
jack has some claire guilt, thats why he cant see aaron. shes obviously not one of the oceanic 6, so maybe she dies as a result of jack. the nephew angle seems plausible too, or a combonation of the two.
 
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