Lost Season 4 Discussion - Because You Left

Was it ever explained at some point in the series who Aaron's father is?

Also, going back two episodes .. did anyone think Sayid treated Naomi with a lot of reverence. Did anyone think there was some kind of connection there?
 
[quote name='Maklershed']Was it ever explained in the show who Aaron's father is?[/quote]

i think it was just claire's old boyfriend that bailed out on her
 
Eggtown = an old expression used by traveling salesmen to describe a bad trading situation - no one wants to trade for eggs since they're very common and perishable - an "eggtown" is a town where bad deals are made.
 
So Eggtown in this case refers to Kate's deals to get Miles to talk to her by getting him to see Ben, Miles' deal to get 3.2 million (which he probably knows he wont get), and Kate's deal with the DA to not leave the state she is in.
 
Wow...that was amazing. The Desmond episodes are always so freakin' good.

I'm still sorting it out in my head...hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.

Wow.
 
I almost have to watch that again. It was like watching the Back To The Future trilogy in random order with Spanish dubbing. At least we know a.) the reason Desmond was sent to military prison and b.) we finally got a Hanso reference (owner of the captain's log from the Black Rock). But wasn't the owner a different Hanso? The first name didn't sound familiar.
 
I'm so pissed:bomb::bomb::bomb:. I watched the episode, but I was DVRing it and planned to go back and watch it again only to find out my DVR only recorded 2 min. of it and I still have 80% free space on my hard drive. fuck Time Warner, this definately sucks.

But yes, that episode was excellent, possibly the best episode of the entire series thus far!!! Too bad I can't sort it out in my head like I want to...
 
[quote name='karsh']That was definitely an awesome episode tonight. I definitely have an idea now of what's going on with Dan.[/quote]

O shit yes! I loved Dan's "flashback" (I still dont know how when they find fake Oceanic 815 in the ocean fits in the timeline), where he's freaking out watching the news report and doesn't know why! This just makes things so much juicier.
 
So now Jack and crew know about the time difference now, and Dan should be cured having Desmond as the constant, and Penny knows where Desmond is. Damn, these Desmond episodes are awesome.
 
I've been watching every ep this season at least twice...I really like the weekly "enhanced" episodes with the pop-up info bar.
 
after tonight's episode, it became apparent that if anyone has a life after Lost, the only actor I could see breaking out is Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond)
 
Desmond's episodes rule. Every damn time. Such a great episode, and definitely in my top 3 favorites of the whole series. Maybe the favorite.
 
Are you guys serious? This show is completely out of control and I have no faith that the writers know what they are doing. I can't wait for next week's episode when 3-headed space aliens mysteriously show up on the island! The season finale with killer robot ninjas from the future is going to be great!!!
 
[quote name='javeryh']Are you guys serious? This show is completely out of control and I have no faith that the writers know what they are doing. I can't wait for next week's episode when 3-headed space aliens mysteriously show up on the island! The season finale with killer robot ninjas from the future is going to be great!!![/quote]

Have to disagree completely. Everything is fitting together perfectly. I LOVE the direction this show is going. Great, great, GREAT writing. What exactly is your problem with it? This time-travel stuff was hinted at back in season 2.

My favorite part that perhaps people haven't thought about:

Remember when they introduced Daniel Faraday? He was watching the footage of the Oceanic 815 "find" at the bottom of the ocean, started crying, and didn't know why? It's likely he was undergoing a flashback like Desmond was last night, which would explain his emotion toward the event.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Are you guys serious? This show is completely out of control and I have no faith that the writers know what they are doing. I can't wait for next week's episode when 3-headed space aliens mysteriously show up on the island! The season finale with killer robot ninjas from the future is going to be great!!![/QUOTE]
I won't see last nights episode till I get home since I completely forgot it was on last night.. but damn you just made it sound so much more exciting. Will there be any mogwais?
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[quote name='Plinko']Everything is fitting together perfectly.[/quote]

Well, except the fact that in an episode from last season (or maybe the one before) when Desmond was training for the sailing race and Penny showed up and asked why he never wrote her when he was in prison.... which was after his time in the military... Hmmm.... weren't they supposed to go from 1996 to Christmas Eve 2004 with no contact?

I will admit that it is entertaining - anytime you rip off Back To The Future it's got to be good - but I think there is too much going on, there are too many loose plot threads, they never really tell us anything and I have no faith that anything will ever really get resolved.

EDIT: I also loved how they get one phone call to anyone in the world and Sayiid lets Desmond waste it on his ex-girlfriend - brilliant!!!
 
[quote name='javeryh']Well, except the fact that in an episode from last season (or maybe the one before) when Desmond was training for the sailing race and Penny showed up and asked why he never wrote her when he was in prison.... which was after his time in the military... Hmmm.... weren't they supposed to go from 1996 to Christmas Eve 2004 with no contact?[/quote]

The emotion of the phone call wasn't there because they hadn't talked since 1996. They had, but he has been lost on the damn island for years and she's been looking for him. Yes, they've talked since 1996, but the guy's been in a damn hatch. That's where the emotion came from, him being lost.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Well, except the fact that in an episode from last season (or maybe the one before) when Desmond was training for the sailing race and Penny showed up and asked why he never wrote her when he was in prison.... which was after his time in the military... Hmmm.... weren't they supposed to go from 1996 to Christmas Eve 2004 with no contact?

I will admit that it is entertaining - anytime you rip off Back To The Future it's got to be good - but I think there is too much going on, there are too many loose plot threads, they never really tell us anything and I have no faith that anything will ever really get resolved.

EDIT: I also loved how they get one phone call to anyone in the world and Sayiid lets Desmond waste it on his ex-girlfriend - brilliant!!![/quote]

after seeing the Communications officer die.. I think that he made the right choice..
 
[quote name='javeryh']Well, except the fact that in an episode from last season (or maybe the one before) when Desmond was training for the sailing race and Penny showed up and asked why he never wrote her when he was in prison.... which was after his time in the military... Hmmm.... weren't they supposed to go from 1996 to Christmas Eve 2004 with no contact?

I will admit that it is entertaining - anytime you rip off Back To The Future it's got to be good - but I think there is too much going on, there are too many loose plot threads, they never really tell us anything and I have no faith that anything will ever really get resolved.

EDIT: I also loved how they get one phone call to anyone in the world and Sayiid lets Desmond waste it on his ex-girlfriend - brilliant!!![/quote]

Go read the aintitcool.com talkback about last night's episode--some of the posters on there do an excellent job explaining what happens.

Remember when Faraday tells Desmond "you can't change the future" but does so sounding unsure of himself? It actually happens--hence the reason for Faraday seeming relieved when he finds the message to himself about Desmond in his journal. It wasn't there before--now it is. Since Desmond had the flashes and did things differently in the past, he changed the future.
 
Wow...what a mind fuck.

Now I'm wondering if the flashback of Daniel was actually a flash forward and he's crying because since he's been on the island there's a lot of significance when he sees the plane on the TV. Also, what if Jacob is stuck in a time paradox, this is why he asked for help...and why the cabin keeps moving, he can't control it :shock:
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Wow...what a mind fuck.

Now I'm wondering if the flashback of Daniel was actually a flash forward and he's crying because since he's been on the island there's a lot of significance when he sees the plane on the TV. Also, what if Jacob is stuck in a time paradox, this is why he asked for help...and why the cabin keeps moving, he can't control it :shock:[/quote]

Agreed--I posted the same thing about Daniel earlier today.

As for Jacob, that would be very interesting. Still wonder who he is, though. Rumors abound about Jack's father being involved somehow.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']I almost have to watch that again. It was like watching the Back To The Future trilogy in random order with Spanish dubbing. At least we know a.) the reason Desmond was sent to military prison and b.) we finally got a Hanso reference (owner of the captain's log from the Black Rock). But wasn't the owner a different Hanso? The first name didn't sound familiar.[/quote]

Hmmm, I don't recall which was which...I *think* Alvar Hanso is the 'current' one, the founder of the Hanso Foundation, and his great grandfather or grandfather was the one who found the island, possibly wrote the journal, etc.

Nice to see that little bit tie in...now it looks like Penny's father and his conglomerate were/are hunting for the island, and more than likely are the sponsors of the freighter.

Starting to look like he and Alvar are rivals, or run rival conglomerates/founations etc. with opposing purposes and viewpoints, is my take.

I found this while googling around trying to find the original, legit damn Hanso Foundation website - THAT website had some crazy good info on Hanso and a lot of backstory/Dharma hints. Anyone have a link? Never mind, it's www.thehansofoundation.org

http://www.hansoair.org/

Don't know if that one is a legit site or a fan/unofficial one.

What the eff? They took off all of the original links about time travel and bizarre experimentation...but if you tab across the website there is this small yellow block, clicking on it opens up some crazy light show with some guy babbling in slow mo...

www.thehansofoundation.org
 
[quote name='bmachine']I've been watching every ep this season at least twice...I really like the weekly "enhanced" episodes with the pop-up info bar.[/quote]

Yes indeed - does anyone know if the enhancements are included on the DVD's, perhaps in a special features "turn on/turn off" setting? I should just check it out tonight, but I'm lazy.

And what about those special Tivo hints I've heard about, where you can pause and click on certain things on the screen for more info or something...damn Time Warner does indeed suck ass since that feature is non existent.
 
Ok, so at lunch me and my friend ended up in an argument about whether Desmond
traveled to the past or his past traveled to the future. I was thinking that his conscious traveled to the past...but then he made an excellent point...his past traveled to the future, this is why he could already see what happened...so then It got me thinking.

Towards the end of the episode when Penny answers the call, 1996 Desmond has a smile on his face, at that point, I think that his conscious merged with the one in 2004, but it remained dormant until the hatch blew off, this caused him to regain his consensus up to 12/24/2004 when he leaves the island to get to the boat....so his "visions" were actualy DeJavu's because his conscious was already there. I think that he won't be having any more visions from now on.
 
I absolutely love this show.

Anyone know what was written in Daniel's journal in the last scene? I thought it said something like "Desmond is my constant", but I could be mistaken.
 
This newest episode of Lost was incredible! And finally it felt like the first time EVER that we got a solid answer on what is happening with the island. Now my question is what is the physicists guy's thing about Desmond being a constant. Did he tell Desmond who is in 1994 to go see himself for that purpose? Is he time shifting himself? What's going on with that?
 
It means Faraday is in love with Desmond. ;)

But I kinda took it as he was looking through the book to see if something new appeared and saw that.
 
So Faraday wrote that in his notebook back in 1994 after he met Desmond. That note previously did not exist because in the alternate reality he hadn't met Desmond at that point.
 
[quote name='Maklershed']So Faraday wrote that in his notebook back in 1994 after he met Desmond. That note previously did not exist because in the alternate reality he hadn't met Desmond at that point.[/QUOTE]

Wait a second, are we so sure that Des did "change the future"? We know that Faraday has a that memory problem (w/ Charlotte flipping the cards in the earlier episode), so how do we know their meeting didn't happen the first time around? There's not too much evidence to support it (although I feel like it might explain why Des is keeping that one book to read "before he dies," since he knows he'll survive until at least 2004), but I feel like there's not conclusive evidence to the contrary either...
 
By the way, just in case anybody hasn't seen it, there are actually 3 more episodes of LOST before the break. Michael Ausiello of TV Guide reported last week that ABC has decided to run 3 more episodes, break for a month, and then show the final 5 in a row.

The original plan was to do 7 then 6, but now it's 8 then 5.
 
Episode 4.06: The Other Woman (Juliet-centric)
Airdate: March 6, 2008
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    03/01 - The others have a therapist. And we find out she was married to Goodwin. Daniel and Charlotte have taken the gas masks and left everyone else to make their way to the new hatch. Source: Lost Spoilers
  • 02/26 - Juliet's past comes back to haunt her (and a few others) when someone she would rather not see again resurfaces with orders to foil Charlotte and Faraday's mission. At the same time, Ben makes an intriguing offer to Locke that could spell even more trouble for the so-called rescue team. Source: TV Guide
  • 02/26 - [Juliet's] upcoming flashback [episode] is entirely located on the Island. And yet it guest stars Alan Dale as Charles Widmore. She's going on a little field trip to the Orchid Station. As in the station unveiled this summer at Comic-Con, with the "highly volatile and potentially dangerous" research-and them creepy numbered bunnies. I'm also hearing something about a field of skeletons... I'm told she's the one who initiates the kiss [with Jack]. Source: Kristin on E!Online
  • 02/23 - Juliet receives an unwelcome visit from someone from her past and is given orders to track down Charlotte and Faraday in order to stop them from completing their mission -- by any means necessary. Meanwhile, Ben offers Locke an enticing deal. Guest starring are Jeremy Davies as Daniel Faraday, Rebecca Mader as Charlotte, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Andrea Roth as Harper, M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly/Tom and Brett Cullen as Goodwin. Source: ABC
  • 02/23 - I know that [Andrea Roth] plays somebody from Juliet's past in the March 6 episode. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide
  • 02/12 - Jack and Juliet will share a passionate kiss in Episode 4.06 - The Other Woman. Source: Lost Spoilers
  • 02/12 - The flashback features a look at Juliet's history on the Island, including her reaction to the death of her lovah Goodwin at the hands of Ana-Lucia. Source: Kristin on E!Online
  • 01/16 - Jacketeers (Jack and Juliet shippers) will like this episode.Source: Lost Spoilers
  • 11/18 - Episode 6 is Juliet-centric and features the return of three deceased characters: Goodwin, Ethan, and Mr. Friendly. Source: Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide
  • 10/14 - Chandley Price - mid 30s to early 40s. Female. She is tough, no-nonsense and beautiful in an unadorned way. She is a therapist by profession and yet could benefit from some therapy herself. The qualities that make her a leader and effective at seeing into other people also cause her problems in her own life -- she can be overly controlling and obsessive. Her strength of personality is undeniable. Recurring role. Source: Lost Spoilers
 
That was pretty good. I wish they'd hurry up & kill off charlotte tho.

Looks like Michael is comming back next week. Am I the only one who thinks Walt is Ben's "man on the boat"?
 
Kind of a slow episode. Seemed like the B plot was much more enjoyable.

Michael is probably the man on the boat for sure. Walt seems to be back on the island somewhere. Probably kept safe with the surviving Others (Michael wouldn't entrust Walt back with his own people after betraying them), kept out of sight when Locke was around. But maybe Walt gave them the shake to go and help Locke out. That would explain how Walt knew where Locke was, probably peeking through a tent flap and seeing Locke go off with Ben and only Ben coming back...with the gun.

I'm starting to think whoever is on the boat is hiding. Seems hard to put Michael (or anyone) on the boat without the crew getting suspicious.
 
[quote name='Segasonic01']That was pretty good. I wish they'd hurry up & kill off charlotte tho.

Looks like Michael is comming back next week. Am I the only one who thinks Walt is Ben's "man on the boat"?[/QUOTE]

If Charlotte is that English lady, then yes, get rid of her. There's something about her I just don't like.

Having Walt being the "man" on the boat would be a great twist, especially since we know the island messes with time.
 
Hmm...that striken-out comment would certainly explain the plot hole about Walt's aging.

Thinking about it, maybe Walt is the man on the boat. Ben telling Locke to sit down before telling him who it was could factor in. Locke would be more shocked to hear Walt's name than Michael, since Locke and Walt were friends. Still, I find it hard to believe Michael would allow Walt to go play James Bond for Ben though. He's too protective of Walt.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']So is it confirmed now that Aaron is #5 of the Oceanic Six? The preview said we'd find out the last one next week.[/quote]

He's not--Ausiello of TV Guide pseudo-confirmed it last week.

The promo actually said "the last OF the Oceanic Six." Since it's Jin and Sun's episode, my guess is that it's both of them.
 
I say one or the other



Michael is the captain of the boat and Walt is in the coffen (everyone who appears in visions are dead)

or

walt is the captain and michael is in the coffen


They aged rapidly when they got off the island. and the other boat found their little boat and picked them up (so they never really escaped off the island


I say its michale in the the coffin


little preview LIBBY is in the March 20 show along with that chic who first came from the helicpoter so probally either major flashback or something


I say the 6th is either Walt or michael (whoever the captin is)

THEN AGAIN JACK SAID 8 made it off the island and 2 died

Jack
kate
hurley
desomond
sy.
Walt (or michale) or someonee else = 6

2 dead

walt or michael
clair or locke since echo said he was next

would = 8

What sort of sucks is this is what the 6 or 7 show and yet the black smoke monster is no where to be seen anywhere.... i guess it went on the feild trip with the others . I mean for the first 3 seasons they feared the island. DONT Go into the jungle or the island will get you. Now its like they take fun daily walks though the jungle not even worring about the monster.

another question got to wonder is when you saw libby in the insane place was that before or after hurley got off the island (another ghost watching him)
 
[quote name='slidecage']
THEN AGAIN JACK SAID 8 made it off the island and 2 died

Jack
kate
hurley
desomond
sy.
Walt (or michale) or someonee else = 6
[/QUOTE]
No. Jack's story in Kate's flashforward was all made up.
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']No. Jack's story in Kate's flashforward was all made up.[/QUOTE]

was it showen it was made up?

he said the crash. he never said what crash.


I wonder what happen to desmond is what the french chic was calling the sickness. they did have that one dude on the boat tied down to his bed

maybe the sickness it time leaping
 
I thought last night's episode was kind of week. Then again, last week's was so great that I knew this one would be a let down. Hopefully next week will be great.
 
For all the people saying last night's was weak, I only want to point one thing out that made me love this episode.

We had something I consider a particularly huge revelation that actually moves the story forward a bit. I'm talking about
the fact that Charles Widmore is the person who sent the freighter out and is trying to find the island to exploit it.
We may find out that Ben didn't know the whole truth to this and there's more to it, but that seemed like a huge revelation to me.
 
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