[quote name='RAMSTORIA']just because youre a little priss about spoiler tags doesnt mean you have to go out of your way to remove other peoples spoiler tags when you quote them.[/quote]
Michael might be out of contact with Ben though. If he told Sayid and Desmond not to trust the captain, I would think it was from what he learned on his own recon work on the boat.
Why does everyone think the fake 815 crash has to have some negative connotation behind it? I still think Ben did it to protect the island from being discovered because he knew the real crash would be a beacon for Whitmores organization. The survivors was just an adverse side effect. I think the Captain wants to exploit their emotions on this note to do his bidding.
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Michael might be out of contact with Ben though. If he told Sayid and Desmond not to trust the captain, I would think it was from what he learned on his own recon work on the boat.[/quote]
I don't think Ben is out of contact with anybody.
He somehow knew how to contact the therapist (can't remember her name) who was one of the others that were supposedly headed to the temple.
If Jin dies this season, I'm going to have to wonder if the 'Hawaii DUI curse' (i.e., being written off the show) is alive and well. I can't believe that they would alter the show's storyline significantly for relatively minor infractions that the actors commit, but rumor says otherwise. Regardless, fans will be skeptical in many cases about this.
To be fair, (spoiler for those who didn't hear the confirmation via the Comic Con panel or elsewhere)
Libby is returning in some capacity very soon
, so hopefully it's more complicated than 'You get busted, you get killed off'.
I still wonder where the show would've gone if Ana Lucia survived the second season. Would the survivors have formed an army? Would there be a dramatic need for Juliet? Would Libby have died, as she was supposedly killed because they wanted the audience to feel for someone Michael shot? Would the entire "Others" story arch going well into Season Three have been totally different? Did they really expect anything more out of casting Michelle Rodriguez?
I personally think Jin dies sooner than later, for whatever reason. I think he will go out nobly, too.
EDIT:Maybe he is talking to people telepathically?
In the teaser for next week's episode,
we see him sitting in front of a microphone, presumably talking to and 'motivating' Michael. Of course, he couldn't access that mic while in his basement holding cell, so it's trickier than that, admittedly.
All I know is that while it's not a fundamental mystery of the show, if they just let the explanation for that whole scene from "The Other Woman" completely slip, I'm going to be very disappointed in them. The more I watch the show, the more my fear grows that they think it's 'cool' and 'smart' to leave so many things completely unexplained, all in the name of the lame, lame, lame "It's more fun to use your imagination!" rhetoric. That's just a weak excuse for messy storytelling as far as I'm concerned. And the unexplained shit keeps mounting and mounting, so much so that most people have completely forgotten the vast majority of it.
after tonight we have to wait over a month for the last 5 episodes.
so, who do you think will die tonight? they previews said someone would die.
i cant see it being a main character, especially desmond. he seems way to deep now that whidmore is the guy that sent the boat. im thinking itll be the captain or someone else from the freighter... either that or scott/steve which ever one is alive.
[quote name='jollydwarf']All I know is that while it's not a fundamental mystery of the show, if they just let the explanation for that whole scene from "The Other Woman" completely slip, I'm going to be very disappointed in them. The more I watch the show, the more my fear grows that they think it's 'cool' and 'smart' to leave so many things completely unexplained, all in the name of the lame, lame, lame "It's more fun to use your imagination!" rhetoric. That's just a weak excuse for messy storytelling as far as I'm concerned. And the unexplained shit keeps mounting and mounting, so much so that most people have completely forgotten the vast majority of it.[/quote]
This is why in the back of my mind I hate this show even though I'm totally obsessed with it. The writers aren't going to resolve anything.
[quote name='slidecage']Wonder if those are all of the people ben killed on the island with the gas or did he run out and kill more[/quote]
When Ben shot Locke and he fell into that pit of bodies I presumed that those were the former Dharma employees that had been gassed. Weren't they even wearing uniforms?
[quote name='bmachine']When Ben shot Locke and he fell into that pit of bodies I presumed that those were the former Dharma employees that had been gassed. Weren't they even wearing uniforms?[/quote]
Yes. I think that pit with the bodies were a part of that episode where Ben kills everyone actually.
Maybe Ben faked the crash to protect the islands identity because nobody would then search for the real crash because they found the fake one. Bens just trying to cover his ass. I don't think Charles would fake the crash because he has nothing to gain from it.[/quote]
Exactly - I think one of the most critical and telling quotes of the entire series is what Ben said to Locke a couple of weeks ago, to paraphrase:
"Before you came to the island you couldn't walk. Imagine what would happen to the island if word got out."
Yes, he wants to of course protect his own secrets, but also the secrets of the island and whatever organization the Others, Dharma, Hanso etc. belong to.
That island would be overrun and quite possibly destroyed if word got out that it was a miraculous place that could 'cure' people, among its other extraordinary properties.
[quote name='Maklershed']That is a good point. I wonder though, why did Hurley go all the way to where Sun lives (Hawaii?) to visit his grave. And why was he happy when she said nobody else came?[/quote]
She was obviously back in South Korea when she gave birth. Hence the reason for the Korean TV, Korean doctors and nurses...everyone was Korean.
[quote name='bmachine']When Ben shot Locke and he fell into that pit of bodies I presumed that those were the former Dharma employees that had been gassed. Weren't they even wearing uniforms?[/QUOTE]
maybe he took some out of the pit. Then again that could be the pit where they tossed all the bodies of everyone who crashed / died on the ocean.
Goofy thing is you would think they would cover up all of the bodies. wouldnt you smell the sink of rotten flesh.
TOM IS NOT DEAD! Please, don't let him be a ghost or some shit like that EDIT: No, he's probably still dead, this must have been a trip he made and got shot after he already returned. So it seems Ben is lying and they could all leave the island if they chose to. He had some great character development and I was so pissed when Sawyer shot him.
Wow, I really didn't see that comming. Karl & Dannielle were killed by the boat people. I guess Ben was telling the truth. For some reason, I dont think Danielle is dead. The writers have already said they have a flashback planned for her. And we didn't really egt to know Karl's backstory either.
Why did Sayid reveal Michael to the captain? That was kinda dumb...
They never implied the boat people killed Karl & Danielle (or that Danielle was even killed...since she's more than deserving of a flashback). It could be the surviving Others that killed them. Shoot Karl because he's worthless, shoot Danielle because they don't even know who she is, and capture Alex to use against Ben. The surviving Others wanted Ben gone. Maybe they plan on threatening to kill Alex so Ben turns himself in with the hope Widmore will leave them all alone.
I think it's safe to say now that the island "talks" through visions of people from the past. None of this "Ben is sending ghosts/Others" stuff. This makes me wonder who's past Jacob is from...
[quote name='humidore']This makes me wonder who's past Jacob is from...
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That's already been semi-established. I don't even want to post it in spoiler tags just to avoid accidental clicks. It's been said here who people are certain Jacob is from Hurley's hallucination (or was it?) of the cabin.
thats so weak that they killed danielle... (if she actually turns out to be dead, which im hoping she doesnt). i was hoping that she and locke would hook up and adopt alex (ill post my fan-fic next week). karl wasnt much of a surprise, i mean after ben set them trotting into the jungle i kinda figured hed be the guy to go.
as for sayid telling the captain about michael, well you have to assume he told the captain that to get some kind of leverage with the captain, but i dont see what kind of good it will do.
tom said the island wont let michael die. so what does that say about "the island"? it has far reaching powers, or the people that control the island wont let michael die. well, they have 37 more hours to let us know.
TOM IS NOT DEAD! Please, don't let him be a ghost or some shit like that EDIT: No, he's probably still dead, this must have been a trip he made and got shot after he already returned. So it seems Ben is lying and they could all leave the island if they chose to. He had some great character development and I was so pissed when Sawyer shot him.
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Ben's not lying. Tom's trip took place before the sub was blown up. He could have still traveled to NY and back.
I heard rumors of a break between episode 8 and the rest of the season, but I hoped it wouldn't happen. Tonight was the first I heard of the break, after "Meet Kevin Johnson" ended. I was sad. 5 weeks till a new episode... .
I can totally see why the producers said that the ending of episode 8 was not finale-esque. The episode as a whole was great, but the ending with Alex, Rousseau, and Karl was meh. I'm glad Karl died rather than someone who mattered, and I hope Danielle is still alive. That seemed up in the air to me.
Who was shooting them, anyway? Freighter people? (Lapidus was gone with the chopper) Or was it The Others? Did Ben send them there so that Danielle and Karl would be killed and he could win his daughter back without competition?
The episode wasn't hugely finale-esque. But my heart did skip a beat when in a split second Alex stood up. I thought for sure she was going to be shot. Ben probably knew that would happen though. Karl gets killed so his daughter won't die from potential pregnancy (same reason he wanted Juliette for himself and set Goodwin up to never come back...because what good is having the one person cable of solving the pregnancy deaths if she gets pregnant herself?) and the competing parental figure is removed, all without getting any blood on his hands.
Still, I think the shooters were the Others. But if the show for once takes the predictable route, it'll be Widmore's people. The flashback with the MP5 rifles shows they have good aim.
[quote name='Matt Young']
I can totally see why the producers said that the ending of episode 8 was not finale-esque. The episode as a whole was great, but the ending with Alex, Rousseau, and Karl was meh. I'm glad Karl died rather than someone who mattered, and I hope Danielle is still alive. That seemed up in the air to me.
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I think she'll be alive. I vaguely recall reading that she has a flashback episode in store for her aka another filler ep that doesn't advance the story :lol:
Though it could just be an Alex flashback episode that explains Danielle's history.
[quote name='crunchb3rry']The episode wasn't hugely finale-esque. But my heart did skip a beat when in a split second Alex stood up. I thought for sure she was going to be shot. Ben probably knew that would happen though. Karl gets killed so his daughter won't die from potential pregnancy (same reason he wanted Juliette for himself and set Goodwin up to never come back...because what good is having the one person cable of solving the pregnancy deaths if she gets pregnant herself?) and the competing parental figure is removed, all without getting any blood on his hands.
Still, I think the shooters were the Others. But if the show for once takes the predictable route, it'll be Widmore's people. The flashback with the MP5 rifles shows they have good aim.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree that the shooters were The Others. That is why I said what I said. ben could set them up, have Karl and Danielle killed, and Alex has no one else. I do still hope that Danielle is not dead, however.
I say the shooters were the boat people. Here's why:
A) The guns that they were shooting with on the boat when Michael approached them sounded the same.
B) Lapidus took a group of people to the island in Episode 7, and we haven't seen them since.
C) Alex stood up & yelled "I'm his daughter". She knew they wouldn't kill her so they could use her against Ben.
Edit:
On Lost.cubit.net, they habe a screen cap of the person who shot Karl & Danielle. You can see the back of the guy crouched down in the grass. HE looks to be wearing the same shirt as the guy on the boat that was shooting the machine gun.
[quote name='pitfallharry219']16 episodes x 3 seasons = 48 - 8 = 37? Huh?[/quote]
There's only gonna be 13 episodes this season. Thanks the writers strike for that.
TOM IS NOT DEAD! Please, don't let him be a ghost or some shit like that EDIT: No, he's probably still dead, this must have been a trip he made and got shot after he already returned. So it seems Ben is lying and they could all leave the island if they chose to. He had some great character development and I was so pissed when Sawyer shot him.
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Hahaha, Tom likes
gay Eurotrash prostitutes...who would have thunk it?
[quote name='pitfallharry219']But wasn't it said that they will still produce those three episodes?[/quote]
I heard they were only doing 5 episodes, not all 8
[quote name='crunchb3rry']The episode wasn't hugely finale-esque. But my heart did skip a beat when in a split second Alex stood up. I thought for sure she was going to be shot. Ben probably knew that would happen though. Karl gets killed so his daughter won't die from potential pregnancy (same reason he wanted Juliette for himself and set Goodwin up to never come back...because what good is having the one person cable of solving the pregnancy deaths if she gets pregnant herself?) and the competing parental figure is removed, all without getting any blood on his hands.
Still, I think the shooters were the Others. But if the show for once takes the predictable route, it'll be Widmore's people. The flashback with the MP5 rifles shows they have good aim.[/quote]
Good aim, but it should be noted whoever picked off Danielle and the lil douche Carl was using a silencer or silencers (and most likely via sniper rifles). You would think that if it was the freighter mercenaries/assassins, they would have chosen to practice with the silencers on in order make sure they were accustomed to the difference in the feel of the shots.
That's why I would lean toward the Others, however it will probably end up being peeps from the freighter.
EDIT: Hey SegaSonic, regarding this:
[quote name='Segasonic01']I say the shooters were the boat people. Here's why:
A) The guns that they were shooting with on the boat when Michael approached them sounded the same.
B) Lapidus took a group of people to the island in Episode 7, and we haven't seen them since.
C) Alex stood up & yelled "I'm his daughter". She knew they wouldn't kill her so they could use her against Ben.
Edit:
On Lost.cubit.net, they habe a screen cap of the person who shot Karl & Danielle. You can see the back of the guy crouched down in the grass. HE looks to be wearing the same shirt as the guy on the boat that was shooting the machine gun.
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That just looks like a dark shirt to me, no way to use that to tell who it was. While I agree with B & C, regarding A the guns DEFINITELY did not sound the same - they were using silencers to pick Carl and Danielle off. Though that doesn't mean they weren't the same guns, as the HK MP5, used on the boat, is easily equipped with silencers, scopes, and can be adjusted from single to 3 shot burst to full auto. We need to start a betting line on whether it was the Others in or near to the Temple (recall that Ben was planning on having Carl killed), some mercenaries from the Freighter, or ...? DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMMM...
as for the extra couple of episodes....they have confirmed they will make them, they said they will either all be added to next years, or they will add 1 - 2 a season...
[quote name='karkyco']Good aim, but it should be noted whoever picked off Danielle and the lil douche Carl was using a silencer or silencers (and most likely via sniper rifles). You would think that if it was the freighter mercenaries/assassins, they would have chosen to practice with the silencers on in order make sure they were accustomed to the difference in the feel of the shots.
That's why I would lean toward the Others, however it will probably end up being peeps from the freighter.
EDIT: Hey SegaSonic, regarding this:
That just looks like a dark shirt to me, no way to use that to tell who it was. While I agree with B & C, regarding A the guns DEFINITELY did not sound the same - they were using silencers to pick Carl and Danielle off. Though that doesn't mean they weren't the same guns, as the HK MP5, used on the boat, is easily equipped with silencers, scopes, and can be adjusted from single to 3 shot burst to full auto. We need to start a betting line on whether it was the Others in or near to the Temple (recall that Ben was planning on having Carl killed), some mercenaries from the Freighter, or ...? DUM DUM DUMMMMMMMMMMMMM...[/quote]
You're right, the guns didn't sound the same. I guess I was just confused about them.
those people who lived with ben. are they the others who have been on the island or are they all of the people he took to the island. So the people shooting the arrorws could be the natives. Meaning now we have yet another group of people to waste time
Anyone notice the first 3 seasons everyone feared the woods. Dont go into the jungle or the smoke monster will get you. This entire season they act like they forgot all about the monsters in the woods and go on daily walks into the woods LOL
I would argue that while they were sacred of the smoke monster, the whole thing with the Others made them scared of the Others instead and mostly laid the blame on them. With their leader captured, they're probably a little more comfortable walking around in the woods.
Anyone notice the first 3 seasons everyone feared the woods. Dont go into the jungle or the smoke monster will get you.
Actually, while the smoke monster appeared fairly frequently in the first three seasons (particularly Season One), after the first handful of episodes, it didn't seem to deter them much from going into the jungle, at least to established areas, anyway.
Minor spoiler from the post-episode teaser for the remaining Season Four episodes:
I think we hear the smoke monster's roar during the beginning of the teaser--or maybe it's a polar bear--and I think we'll see it 'protecting' the island by killing (some of) the gunmen from the freighter. I can't in' stand that meathead, Keamy. Disliked him the second I saw him, so good casting, guys. I'd love to see him get slammed into a tree trunk a few times. Crossing fingers.
I think we hear the smoke monster's roar during the beginning of the teaser--or maybe it's a polar bear--and I think we'll see it 'protecting' the island by killing (some of) the gunmen from the freighter. I can't in' stand that meathead, Keamy. Disliked him the second I saw him, so good casting, guys. I'd love to see him get slammed into a tree trunk a few times. Crossing fingers.
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It seems like he's a one-trick pony, though. His role in 3:10 to Yuma is a carbon copy of Keamy, save for the Western accent. It's actually annoying how similar the characters are.
[quote name='Greetard']It seems like he's a one-trick pony, though. His role in 3:10 to Yuma is a carbon copy of Keamy, save for the Western accent. It's actually annoying how similar the characters are.[/quote]
Isn't that the same dude that was one of the crazy assassin brothers in Smokin' Aces? He was pretty awesome in that.
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