Madden 08 PS3 vs 360 impressions

[quote name='zewone']I'm not even going to read what you typed.

The PS3 controller could be a 2x4 with a dildo nailed to it and you'd still buy any multiplatform game on the PS3 because it's made by Sony.[/QUOTE]


Sony wouldn't do too good in the Dildo market, they don't have RUMBBBBLE!


Sony does make the best controller though, its still got that Super nes design at its base, and its sad that only Sony seems to appreciate that. I wish Nintendo would go back to their roots with their controller design. the Wii snes controller is pretty good until they got to the 4 buttons at the top - two L/Z(good) then the two Z buttons - (bad) There was a madcatz (or some other brand) controller that was desinged to look like a nes controller (square) it was the same as the Wii (snes) controller with the two analog sticks, however it had the 4 buttons cross the top, L1 and 2, R1 and 2, and boy did that suck balls. It was 9.99 for the ps2, nice nastaglia accessory though..
 
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You can't drive or use a phone.[/QUOTE]I do drive and have an LG phone provided by Verizon.

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[quote name='Thomas96']Sony wouldn't do too good in the Dildo market, they don't have RUMBBBBLE!


Sony does make the best controller though, its still got that Super nes design at its base, and its sad that only Sony seems to appreciate that. I wish Nintendo would go back to their roots with their controller design. the Wii snes controller is pretty good until they got to the 4 buttons at the top - two L/Z(good) then the two Z buttons - (bad) There was a madcatz (or some other brand) controller that was desinged to look like a nes controller (square) it was the same as the Wii (snes) controller with the two analog sticks, however it had the 4 buttons cross the top, L1 and 2, R1 and 2, and boy did that suck balls. It was 9.99 for the ps2, nice nastaglia accessory though..[/QUOTE]I pretty much agree because before the PS1 came out, I was a big SNES fanboy. One reason I really liked my SNES was because of the awesome controller. When I first say the PS1 controller, it resembling the SNES controller actually made me want a PS1 more. Yeah, I kind of wished Nintendo still used that type of controller, but oh well.

It's the most comfortable controller ever IMO. I like the symmetrical analog sticks, d-pad is very functional, button layout is perfection, etc. Holding the PlayStation controllers just feels so great.
 
The Sony controller isn't perfect (none of them are) but at least it hasn't changed much in 10 years. The analog sticks are terrible - the Nintendo one is WAY more precise. They are in the wrong place too (the d-pad and the left stick need to switch places). Not to mention that it doesn't rumble and tons of people are having desync problems. I'm confident that once Nintendo or MS think of something cool, Sony will tack it on to the sixaxis though.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']No. You're actually listening to one of the nerdiest CAG Members who locks himself in his room all day trying to get nerd points. :lol:[/quote]
Wait, you're calling someone else a shut-in nerd? :shock:
 
[quote name='javeryh']The analog sticks are terrible - the Nintendo one is WAY more precise. [/quote]You haven't played a PS3 have you?? The new analog sticks are more sensitive; therefore, more precise. Those who had some problems with RE4 on PS2 using the dual shock 2 controller, had zero problems with the SIXAXIS.

They are in the wrong place too (the d-pad and the left stick need to switch places).
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No, many PlayStation exclusive games over the years were designed for symmetrical analog sticks, and it just feels more natural. Games like Ape Escape, Robot Alchemic Drive, Katamari, etc. just don't play right with asymmetrical analog sticks. Plus, games that use the d-pad heavily (like a fighter or something), using the d-pad feels much more natural and comfortable.

Not to mention that it doesn't rumble
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Meh over rumble. It just drains battery life more in controllers. I'm glad that I don't have to mess with turning rumble off on my PS3 controllers, because it isn't there.
and tons of people are having desync problems.
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Desync problems are isolated, not everyone. In my apartment, where I had very few (next to no wireless devices), I had zero problems and the controllers never desync. At home, I had it happen only a few times (out of the several times I played my PS3), but that's because there are tons of wireless devices in my home (from USB wireless adapters, several coordless phones, and many other wireless devices). The problem is that the frequency on the bluetooth is very close to the frequency of other devices, which may cause an occasional disconnect. That's why the new 80GB models use a completely different frequency. Some may wonder why Sony didn't use a completely different frequency in the first place, but in order to do that, they had to get the frequency ok by the FCC. I'm an electrical engineer myself and very familiar with frequency interferences with all the noise in the air.
I'm confident that once Nintendo or MS think of something cool, Sony will tack it on to the sixaxis though.
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MS hasn't come up with anything cool. They basically copied the Dual Shock 2 controller for the 360 controller, then added a guide button similar to the PSP Home button. Absolutely nothing on that controller was original in the first place. On the original Xbox, MS copied the Dreamcast controller for the Duke controller, then slightly copied the Dual Shock 2 controller (made a few alterations so it wasn't exactly the same) to make the S controller. Nintendo on the other hand can come up with nice controllers, but not one has been able to top their SNES controller (which the PS1 controller surpassed IMO).
 
Can someone please *explain* to me how 30fps all of a sudden has all these stutters in them? Games have been 30fps all these years and i've never seen any stutter at all. The *only* stutter I saw in that trailer was when they played it back in slow motion.
 
Actually, I don't think the PS3 controller is the best out there, but neither do I think the 360 one is.

In fact, no controller out there is the best, because everyone has different hands, grips, and even methods of pushing buttons.

Main things I like about the PS3 controller are the above mentioned more sensitive analog sticks. But I love the Dpad, it's not the best dpad, but the 360 controller's dpad stinks, I know it's not used much, but when I have to use it, I really don't like how inaccurate it is. It's also prone to breaking.

What I like about the 360 controller are the grips. My hands are large, so it's more comfortable for me to grip the 360 controller. That doesn't mean I have a problem with the ps3 grip, but it's not as comfortable.

I also like the 360 controller's replaceable battery pack, but on the other hand, I like how the PS3 controller can be reassigned to different player numbers.

I don't care at all about the placement of the two analog sticks, but I understand some do. I use the tip of my thumb to move the analog sticks, but I know many who use the middle or even lower on the thumb to move the stick, and the side by side sticks can cause problems, especially in FPS games.

Desync problems plague every wireless device, and a rare for all such devices. I'd go so far to say that for those people with desync problems it's not the hardware, but rather other electronics in the room that cause problems. My 360 and Wii controllers have had problems in the past. The culprit? Cell phones, the house wireless phone, the wifi, and the unshielded speakers.

I used to think that I wouldn't miss rumble, but I kind of do, not to mention that yes, some games really did use rumble to good effect. Rockstar Table Tennis has rumble as a core gameplay aspect by letting the player know when his shot is too risky, all without having to put an on screen indicator.

There is some rumors about how Sony's new controller prototypes actually have a more advanced rumble system that borders on force feedback. Something like touchsense, but basically it has many smaller rumble motors around the controller, instead of just one or two. This could be useful say in an FPS if you fire a huge weapon, instead of your whole controller vibrating just the trigger area does. Or, also in and FPS, if you get shot at or hit, the controller could vibrate in the direction of the gunfire, letting the player know from which direction he's been shot from, all without having to interpret flashing red arrows on screen.

As for who copies who? Nintendo copied the PC controller market since PC controllers were the first to have motion sensors. Then most PC and modern console controllers are copying the Dual Shock 2 controller layout. Even Nintendo does in a way, they try to hide it by making one of the sticks slightly clinky and making it yellow with a C, but that was two analog sticks on the gamecube.

So everyone takes good ideas from the other.
 
[quote name='gokou36']Can someone please *explain* to me how 30fps all of a sudden has all these stutters in them? Games have been 30fps all these years and i've never seen any stutter at all. The *only* stutter I saw in that trailer was when they played it back in slow motion.[/QUOTE]


ps2 madden 07, or (rather and) 06 in a specific spot on the field... if you run a play from the 5th yard line.. usually a passing play. You'd get some stutter out of the game. Some slowdown... somtimes it happens when you're running a 4 or 5 wide... Madden has had slow down/suttering in them. Which is a shame because you'd think by now.. EA would have improved the Madden engine
 
I'm not too fond of Madden anymore... and I don't think that I'd like the 360 version anymore.. No Madden commentary, everyone on god's green earch can see what play your're picking. I think I might just go and try the PS2 version...
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I'm not too fond of Madden anymore... and I don't think that I'd like the 360 version anymore.. No Madden commentary, everyone on god's green earch can see what play your're picking. I think I might just go and try the PS2 version...[/QUOTE]

To be perfectly honest, I've been on the fence with getting it at all this year myself.. I have 06 for the 360 (drek)... but I didn't pay much for it... ;) and All Pro for the Ps3... so I figure I've got my football games well in hand for this season. Granted, I don't have "the latest team" whatnot... but I don't mind all that much, considering I'm not a "sim" football player.... preferring to play with friends and simple versions alone... (I've not done a franchise mode in quite a while...)

Once EA got their NFL exclusive, they've been more complacent than usual in their game mechanics and features... refusing to fix certain things (admittedly, All Pro didn't fix some nagging problems with 2k5's AI) and really pushing the "pay $60 for new rosters" a bit too far. Some of their enhancements seem to be gimmicks, and their announcing has been atrocious for quite some time now...

Meh, maybe once people start trading their 08's in after a while, I'll pick one up used... :) I'll continue my undefeated season (4-0!) with the Seattle Sailors... Elway and Earl Campbell are unstoppable! :lol:

And I truly believe the 30fps vs 60fps is entirely too overhyped.. Possibly, on their 3rd try, EA got more polish out of 08 than they had for 06 or 07... and this is only the 2nd Madden for the Ps3... *shrug*
 
[quote name='Furashu']i still dont see why people complain and whine about 60fps, since when the hell has this made a difference, if the gameplay is good i could careless, the ps3 games look great no matter what.[/QUOTE]
::remembering back to the PS1 era::

[when sub-60 frames per second meant things could get ugly fast]
 
So, is anyone else rooting for someone to make a new simpler football game with emphasis on player action like, say, Tecmo Bowl?

I mean, Soccer fans get Sensible Soccer remade.

Those older football games had the feel of football, but were simple enough that anyone could pick it up and play.
 
[quote name='Mechafenris']To be perfectly honest, I've been on the fence with getting it at all this year myself.. I have 06 for the 360 (drek)... but I didn't pay much for it... ;) and All Pro for the Ps3... so I figure I've got my football games well in hand for this season. Granted, I don't have "the latest team" whatnot... but I don't mind all that much, considering I'm not a "sim" football player.... preferring to play with friends and simple versions alone... (I've not done a franchise mode in quite a while...)

Once EA got their NFL exclusive, they've been more complacent than usual in their game mechanics and features... refusing to fix certain things (admittedly, All Pro didn't fix some nagging problems with 2k5's AI) and really pushing the "pay $60 for new rosters" a bit too far. Some of their enhancements seem to be gimmicks, and their announcing has been atrocious for quite some time now...

Meh, maybe once people start trading their 08's in after a while, I'll pick one up used... :) I'll continue my undefeated season (4-0!) with the Seattle Sailors... Elway and Earl Campbell are unstoppable! :lol:

And I truly believe the 30fps vs 60fps is entirely too overhyped.. Possibly, on their 3rd try, EA got more polish out of 08 than they had for 06 or 07... and this is only the 2nd Madden for the Ps3... *shrug*[/QUOTE]


Now don't let me talk you out of a purchase.. I'm with you about the 30 vs 60fps being overhyped. My [at this time] somewhat disappointment goes deeper than just an issue of 30 vs 60fps. I've played every Madden starting with 92 [I went back and tried out 91] So I've seen the franchise evolve step by step. So it bothers me that there's no Madden commentary because he is the heart of the game. It bothers me that there isn't a 3 x 2 play selection [unless later on I find that in 08 I can pick plays via psp] - with that set up there were 9 plays available for your picking pleasure... your opponent has a 1 in 9 chance of guessing your play. [6 of which he can't even see] But this year, the players are stiff, and the game just isn't smooth. [which may be a ps3 only problem] but the stiff animation, that was last years problem. Using the vision is hard cause it feels sluggish... Madden 07 for the ps2 was good, it was smooth, the animation was smooth, the controls were fluid... yes there was some A.I. problems here in there but overall it felt like a polished product. If I find that the PS2 version is more like the Madden 07, and controls well and plays smooth... I'm going to get that version.. Same thing happened to me.. when I got madden for ps3, played like crap.. I ended up just continuing to play Madden via ps2, and heck, at least I can upscale the graphics. But like I said, dont' me talk you out of Madden 08, I'm probrobly the most forgiving and the most fault finding Madden player/fan there ever could be. I know one thing.. EA needs competition to stay on top of its game, I'm going to stay away until that NFL license agreement is over..
 
[quote name='Thomas96']Now don't let me talk you out of a purchase.. I'm with you about the 30 vs 60fps being overhyped. [/QUOTE]

No problem... I value your input (and those of others who enjoy the Madden franchise) but I've always been a fence-sitter when it comes to Madden, and any of the series of games I purchase well after the season expires and you can get the title used for $19 or less. It's because I'm not really deeply familiar with how defense works and generally have a limited grasp of certain formations (beyond the basic stuff we used to see playing 4th and Inches on the C-64...heh) So in reality, I tend to play with other "football challenged" friends, or on rookie (definitely below all-pro or whatever it's called.)

Madden truly needs some competition, and we're seeing what the lack of it can do to a staple franchise... Either that, or EA is funneling its truly gifted programmers to other next-gen items and leaving Madden twisting in the wind, with the idea that "where you gonna go?" holds up enough... ;)

I'm greatly interested in how you feel about the Ps2 version... I hadn't realized that it was available for the PS2 as well... (I thought it was a Wii, 360, PS3 focused title.)

If nothing else, I've got a 2k5-style game to play. :)
 
I played the 360 version today at Best Buy, and I must say I was very surprised at how smooth and enjoyable it was. I had rented the PS3 version earlier in the day, as that is the lone console I own at this time. I will preface by saying I thought the 30 vs. 60fps was also overhyped, but man was I wrong. I'm sorry, but the PS3 version is quite inferior, only after you play the 360 version. From visuals to gameplay, it's not even close. I wish it was, but sadly it's not.
 
Then I suspect it's probably more than just a difference in framerate that's the problem. Because if it played fine, a constant 30fps wouldn't matter at all. There's countless number of games that run at a constant 30fps.

It's likely people just focused on those two numbers since they're easy, one is double the other. Whereas the real problem was just a shoddy port job from EA.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']Whereas the real problem was just a shoddy port job from EA.[/QUOTE]

You hit the nail on the head, I'm sorry to say. For whatever reason, it appears EA simply doesn't care about the PS3 w/r/t Madden.

*shrug* That's fine... Here's to hoping 2k franchise gets up and running (albeit sans license for now.) A certain amount of healthy competition is what EA sorely needs. The complacency of being "on top" (and now "the only") NFL franchise game is spectacularly obvious. :)
 
[quote name='zewone']EA said the reason is because they've been working with the 360 dev kits for over 3 1/2 years, while Sony was late to get dev kits to EA and they've only had it for a little over a year.

So, he did not hit the nail on the head.

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=19757[/QUOTE]

And the console itself has been out less to boot. IIRC, Madden 06 blew dead bears on the 360.... so EA isn't exactly batting 1000 when it comes to the 360's development either.

So, yes... he did hit the nail on the head... Because other dev houses aren't having the same issues with stutter and framerate that EA is w/r/t Madden...
 
But, this year's Madden is so much better than '06 on the 360.

The more time with a system, the better a devolper can make use of it's resources. It's not like EA said, "Let's make sure the PS3 version doesn't stack up the 360 version."They pushed the game to the best of their abilities on the PS3, but they were able to push it farther on the 360 since they know it better.

I don't know how that equates to a shoddy port.
 
[quote name='zewone']But, this year's Madden is so much better than '06 on the 360.

The more time with a system, the better a devolper can make use of it's resources. It's not like EA said, "Let's make sure the PS3 version doesn't stack up the 360 version."They pushed the game to the best of their abilities on the PS3, but they were able to push it farther on the 360 since they know it better.

I don't know how that equates to a shoddy port.[/QUOTE]

It's speculation, mind you... and it always will be... but their inability to get the most out of the PS3's dev kits when other games have done quite well so far is more about what they focus on than their inexperience with the console. My guess is it is purely a lack of concern for the PS3 as a platform at the moment. The same could be said for the dismal Madden 06 Xbox 360 version at the time when the previous gen consoles had far better (and far more feature-packed) editions. It's a matter of them short-changing the lesser installed base... You don't think they'd skimp on the Wii version with its incredibly huge installed base, would you? Same holds true for the 360. When the market grows, so does EA's corporate interest. it's simple economics, but let me elaborate further..

Since EA is a corporation, I don't expect them to twirl their mustache and snicker about "getting those Sony boys"... They're playing their cards the way they feel it best to maximize the $ intake and that's fine with me... that said... it doesn't diminish their substandard port, because the PS3 is not an inferior console by any stretch of the imagination... They're not saying "well, we tried to get it as good as the 360, but the PS3 just doesn't have the oomph..." (well, Redmond's saying that, but it's marketing hype) The PS3 is more than capable of doing the exact thing a 360 does in terms of Madden, and given time, I'm sure EA will stop short-changing the PS3 and give the console a decent Madden... It's an incremental step to be sure, and the 360 had the luxury of being the only "next gen" on the block, so EA's sinfully bad Madden 06 was more forgivable...

Their decision to devote their limited resources to the 360/Wii/PS2 (possibly) versions results in a shoddy port on the PS3.
 
On this matter though I'd actually believe EA about the devkit issue. There were numerous reports of Sony screwing up the PS3 devkit release, and screwing up the devkits themselves.

I'm pretty sure there'd be a lot more PS3 games out right now and better ports had they gotten the kits released in better condition. I mean, wasn't it only recently they got some new graphics profiling tools released at GDC?

To be fair, however, the 360 dev kit is likely not too much different from a PC with multiple core processors. There's a lot of people familiar with the PC.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']On this matter though I'd actually believe EA about the devkit issue. There were numerous reports of Sony screwing up the PS3 devkit release, and screwing up the devkits themselves.

I'm pretty sure there'd be a lot more PS3 games out right now and better ports had they gotten the kits released in better condition. I mean, wasn't it only recently they got some new graphics profiling tools released at GDC?

To be fair, however, the 360 dev kit is likely not too much different from a PC with multiple core processors. There's a lot of people familiar with the PC.[/QUOTE]
Right, MS went with an easy to use platform while Sony chose the opposite.

There has been lots of talk people having trouble with the PS3, like everyone using the Unreal 3 engine. Though, Sony is now throwing dough at Epic now to work on making U3 more compatible.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']On this matter though I'd actually believe EA about the devkit issue. There were numerous reports of Sony screwing up the PS3 devkit release, and screwing up the devkits themselves.

I'm pretty sure there'd be a lot more PS3 games out right now and better ports had they gotten the kits released in better condition. I mean, wasn't it only recently they got some new graphics profiling tools released at GDC?

To be fair, however, the 360 dev kit is likely not too much different from a PC with multiple core processors. There's a lot of people familiar with the PC.[/QUOTE]

I think the PPC variant inside the 360 is a little more esoteric than the Intel chips of a PC (big endian/little endian aside, since like the G5's and G4's of the Apple world, they can do both on the PPC side...) I've had a little experience with PPC assembly and it's all about the dev tools... it's not fun when the tools suck, to be sure. ;)

Certainly, and with MS making their cross-platform development system available, (DirectX and all that) people are built-in ready to put it forth and get a jump on the other consoles...

That said, I can believe that inexperience was the case for EA in the realm of Madden 07 for the Ps3... that was their first stab... but things have calmed down quite a bit, and if the PS3 was further along in sales, I think they'd have devoted more time to the dev kits (which I am sure aren't the easiest... certainly less so than the 360... more like the older Ps2 ones I suppose) and we'd have seen a better port this time around.

It's not to diminish the skill of 360 developers when I say MS provides good kits and toolsets (they're fairly proficient at it... coming from Windows.... though they do tend to move things well up into the bloat stage... at least the older MFC stuff I had to do on projects back in the NT4 days...)

They can only get better, and if Madden 09 looks like 08 does, we can safely say EA hates the PS3. :lol:
 
I'm not trying to get in the fight of which is better, but its not just the nerds arguing about which is better 360 vs. PS3.

I work at a GS, and it is in a ghetto part of town, where Madden, NBA Live/2k, and Grand Theft Auto are the only games that exist. Yesterday, there were one specific occasion that some gangsta was complaining that the PS3 version was real choppy. Now this guy, purchased a PS3 ONLY for Madden and NBA Live. Now 50% of his entertainment doesnt run as well on his system, AND he actually noticed it, showing that this is a big dilemma across the board. I had several other convos with other customers spouting the same thing, that the 360 runs a lot better than the PS3. I'm sorry but if these guys can notice this, and its actually taking the fun from their experience, then we have ourselves an inferior version.

Anyways, I think that dude was drug dealer or somethin, cuz he went and traded in his PS3 and his Madden and purchased a 360 Elite w/ said game for that system.
 
[quote name='Pestilence']I'm not trying to get in the fight of which is better, but its not just the nerds arguing about which is better 360 vs. PS3.

I work at a GS, and it is in a ghetto part of town, where Madden, NBA Live/2k, and Grand Theft Auto are the only games that exist. Yesterday, there were one specific occasion that some gangsta was complaining that the PS3 version was real choppy. Now this guy, purchased a PS3 ONLY for Madden and NBA Live. Now 50% of his entertainment doesnt run as well on his system, AND he actually noticed it, showing that this is a big dilemma across the board. I had several other convos with other customers spouting the same thing, that the 360 runs a lot better than the PS3. I'm sorry but if these guys can notice this, and its actually taking the fun from their experience, then we have ourselves an inferior version.

Anyways, I think that dude was drug dealer or somethin, cuz he went and traded in his PS3 and his Madden and purchased a 360 Elite w/ said game for that system.[/QUOTE]Although it probably wouldn't happen, but if NBA Live were to run better on PS3, I wonder what that guy will do. :lol:
 
I have some depressing news... I went to EB this morning and played Madden 08 on 360, and the night before, I played Madden 08 (ps3) up until 2am in the morning with friends. I love my Playstation 3, I can admit that I'm more biased towards it, but overall I love games. I've been unfair to my 360 because, I'm not bonding with it.. cause I'm affraid time I start to love it.. it'll break... anyway...

The 360 version of Madden 08 is better than the PS3 version hands down, hands up, however which way you go. The controls on the ps3 feel lagged, the 360 version goes up to 1080i and the PS3 version only goes up to 720p.. which IMO is the biggest fucking slap in the face ever to happen. EA severely hampered the PS3 version... its not fair, they never should have even released the ps3 version. I even played the ps3 version in 480p, to see if their was some HD lag... but no, the game controls (ps3) are sluggish, the game is not fluid, and imo that's not just 30fps, that's just bad programming, because, I know that Madden 07 for ps2 was 30fps, and it still felt fluid, the controls were on spot. My analysis... EA gimped us.. PS3 fans, straight GIMPED... and what's so sad is that I'm basically rewarding EA by going out and buying the 360 version.. now I have TWO... I'm on my way to TRU... I might keep my ps3 version of madden 08 and just try to get used to it. So now I just need to confirm that I can at least get roster updates for madden without having to pay for xbox live services... I would buy another PS3 madden if EA would re release it.. completed...
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I have some depressing news... I went to EB this morning and played Madden 08 on 360, and the night before, I played Madden 08 (ps3) up until 2am in the morning with friends. I love my Playstation 3, I can admit that I'm more biased towards it, but overall I love games. I've been unfair to my 360 because, I'm not bonding with it.. cause I'm affraid time I start to love it.. it'll break... anyway...

The 360 version of Madden 08 is better than the PS3 version hands down, hands up, however which way you go. The controls on the ps3 feel lagged, the 360 version goes up to 1080i and the PS3 version only goes up to 720p.. which IMO is the biggest fucking slap in the face ever to happen. EA severely hampered the PS3 version... its not fair, they never should have even released the ps3 version. I even played the ps3 version in 480p, to see if their was some HD lag... but no, the game controls (ps3) are sluggish, the game is not fluid, and imo that's not just 30fps, that's just bad programming, because, I know that Madden 07 for ps2 was 30fps, and it still felt fluid, the controls were on spot. My analysis... EA gimped us.. PS3 fans, straight GIMPED... and what's so sad is that I'm basically rewarding EA by going out and buying the 360 version.. now I have TWO... I'm on my way to TRU... I might keep my ps3 version of madden 08 and just try to get used to it. So now I just need to confirm that I can at least get roster updates for madden without having to pay for xbox live services... I would buy another PS3 madden if EA would re release it.. completed...[/quote]*whispers*Hey, you, might wanna edit that before TheManaKnight sees it. You speak harshly of the PS3 version.;)
 
[quote name='Pestilence']I'm not trying to get in the fight of which is better, but its not just the nerds arguing about which is better 360 vs. PS3.

I work at a GS, and it is in a ghetto part of town, where Madden, NBA Live/2k, and Grand Theft Auto are the only games that exist. Yesterday, there were one specific occasion that some gangsta was complaining that the PS3 version was real choppy. Now this guy, purchased a PS3 ONLY for Madden and NBA Live. Now 50% of his entertainment doesnt run as well on his system, AND he actually noticed it, showing that this is a big dilemma across the board. I had several other convos with other customers spouting the same thing, that the 360 runs a lot better than the PS3. I'm sorry but if these guys can notice this, and its actually taking the fun from their experience, then we have ourselves an inferior version.

Anyways, I think that dude was drug dealer or somethin, cuz he went and traded in his PS3 and his Madden and purchased a 360 Elite w/ said game for that system.[/QUOTE]

LOL

For a lot of people (ganstas), people I know, they're not "gamers" but they play Madden... and that's the only game they want, the only game they need.. just to play with everyone else, and the problem is... if you mess up Madden, then you just messed up the one game they've been waiting for all year. So yeah, I believe that some people will buy 360s just to play Madden, and for them its the right thing to do. EA needs to take pride in their products and get them all right before release. Everyone knows that I'll fight for the PS3, I won't let people talk B.S. about it.. and really this isn't a PS3 issue its an Electtronic Arts issue. There is no argument.. the 360 version is better, did I even fuckin mention that it has custom soundtracks. After I buy this fuckin Madden 08 on 360... I'm not buying another EA anything, unless its tremendously better than its competitor.
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']*whispers*Hey, you, might wanna edit that before TheManaKnight sees it. You speak harshly of the PS3 version.;)[/QUOTE]


I'm cool with Mana Knight, and he'll know that I'm not just talking crap. Someone called me Mana Knight [I forgot who it was] because of how I love the PS3. But we all gamers, and also this isn't a stab at the PS3... has nothing to do with PS3... its EA Lazy asses.

I can't program, I can't program and code Madden 08 for ps3 at 60fps... but damn if this is the product that EA produces, then fuck it... let me get a dev kit, and I'll fucking try to do it myself... all I want is for EA to stop Gimping their customers... especially with Madden...
 
[quote name='SteveMcQ']*whispers*Hey, you, might wanna edit that before TheManaKnight sees it. You speak harshly of the PS3 version.;)[/QUOTE]You might want to be careful what you say, because we don't live all that far from one another. ;)

I'm not even going to play Madden. I've hated Madden all my life always preferring NFL Fever, NFL 2k series, and NFL Gameday (before the year 2000). I could careless about Madden, like I said anyway.

EA did an all right job with NFS Carbon and NBA Street Homecourt on PS3, and that's all I care about (only two series by EA I like).

[quote name='Thomas96']
I can't program, I can't program and code Madden 08 for ps3 at 60fps... but damn if this is the product that EA produces, then fuck it... let me get a dev kit, and I'll fucking try to do it myself... all I want is for EA to stop Gimping their customers... especially with Madden...[/QUOTE]I'm actually a decent programmer, so I wouldn't be surprised if I could get Madden running at 60FPS on PS3.
 
I have played them for the 360 and the PS3, and the 360 version is definitely better(360 froze during the 3rd quarter, so now I have a box coming for it for the 5th time, but anyway) I rented the PS3 version and it plays fine. I definitely think if u have a working 360 u should get it for that system because it is superior. However if u only have a PS3 I don't think the game plays bad at all. I am only 1 game in but so far while the frame rate does have it's problems the overall experience was positive.
 
Here's the REAL question:

How much does M$ pay companies to make PS3 games look worse? I mean I have both systems and I see everything fairly and I am pretty sure M$ is doing everything they can (including payoffs) to make their system superior. Hell, $50 million for GTA episode exclusives? That's like saying "Who cares what we lose on the game, we'll drive PS3 into the dirt!"
 
I played the PS2 version of Madden 08 - First of all, found Madden and Micheals... they're calling the PS2 game. As thought, the game plays well, just like 07. But of course it plays and feels better than the PS3 version. But there's some Gimp factor present as well.. Play call screen has been reduced - its 3 across, but you can't choose plays above and below the plays that are displayed. From the game I played, there are no new animations, no gang tackling. No more than a 49.99 roster update.. I've played every Madden every year... never seen one where you lost moves/features. There's no double juke in any of the Madden 08 games. Funny... next year, they'll bring it back like its something new. I should sue EA for 54 million for lazy programming.
 
From what I heard (I cannot find the article), EA Tiburon spoke out about the PS3 version. They admitted they are just more comfortable with the 360 hardware, due to working with it for almost 3 years, compared to only working with the PS3 hardware for a year.

That's why the PS3 version turned out the way it did.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBXOZIRF9Gw


even the 360 version has problems... also, the running through the wall trick, well I've seen that on the PS3 as well. The 360 has more polish, but even it was poorly done (in some areas)..

I even played All pro football 2k8 and that is a next gen football game... The crowd looks more realistic, people don't just jump around like manics, they look like a crowd. [and they have been a better designed crowd, since 2k] and in basket ball.. The sidelines.. just look at how the sideline activity is in All pro vs Madden 08; Madden 08 players make the same movements, movements that look like some stupid ass dance routine. 2k8, I see fans [where players stand around to cool off], the chain gang is more active. The damn players talk "I want tails" at the coin toss, "we'll choose to receive" The player models don't look perfect, but they look good. The stadium in 2k8 has a "United we Stand" banner... its nice.. I might just pick this game up for the PS3..

I'm going to keep my PS3 madden, as a reminder.. no NBA live, No nascar, No NHL; people said that EA was going to get lazy after they got the NFL license.. but I really thought they would still be dedicated to the game. I wish 2k would make more sports games.. golf, boxing, anything just to keep EA from doing it. I bought Madden for the 360, but I took that mess back after confirming that I have to pay for xbox live service, just to get a damn roster update.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']From what I heard (I cannot find the article), EA Tiburon spoke out about the PS3 version. They admitted they are just more comfortable with the 360 hardware, due to working with it for almost 3 years, compared to only working with the PS3 hardware for a year.

That's why the PS3 version turned out the way it did.[/quote]

Exactly, thats why most 360 games look better than their PS3 counterparts. Its not a conspiracy.
 
No! It's a conspiracy by M$! M$ is evil! I type M$ because they have a lot of money and it makes me look clever!
 
[quote name='IXISIXI']Here's the REAL question:

How much does M$ pay companies to make PS3 games look worse? I mean I have both systems and I see everything fairly and I am pretty sure M$ is doing everything they can (including payoffs) to make their system superior. Hell, $50 million for GTA episode exclusives? That's like saying "Who cares what we lose on the game, we'll drive PS3 into the dirt!"[/QUOTE]

That is just dumb....MS doesn't pay EA to make games look "worse"
 
EA is just lazy... even the superior 360 version has some glitches... and that version is their cash cow this year.
 
I must say, I'm a xbox 360 convert to the PS3 and I am disgusted in how the PS3 version looks. I really liked the graphics of 07 for the 360 and it had 30 frame rts. 08 for the PS3 looks like a joke compared to that. The one thing I really don't like is they don't even try to do the close ups on the field for pre-snap like on the xbox. Another thing is that I really do notice the stuttering issues due to the frame rate. I rented it but i have the game in the mail, I will be returning it. I actually liked 2k8 better than this. The one thing I like is the replay action, that looks good. Just my 2 cents, kinda pissed off about it cause I just converted and Madden is usually what I look forward too each year.
 
Ok here is the deal. I am a PS fan till the end. But i got a 360 untill the price drops. I havent played the PS3 version. But The Xbox version looks superior to the PS3. As a matter of fact all the games seem to look better on 306. I can give the 360 that.

I have played the ps2 version. (i dont know if it is similar to PS3) The big differece from ps2 to 360 is the gameplay. The bigest thing that i noteced betwen the two is how the players move. 360 got linear movement and ps got that quadriactic movement. Saying that the ps version moves in a curved fasion (more realistic) and 360 moves in stright lines.

306 movement........ /\
ps movement........... ~

But if u dont want the occasional "burp" and better lighting effects go with the 360.
 
[quote name='Gang']Ok here is the deal. I am a PS fan till the end. But i got a 360 untill the price drops. I havent played the PS3 version. But The Xbox version looks superior to the PS3. As a matter of fact all the games seem to look better on 306. I can give the 360 that.

I have played the ps2 version. (i dont know if it is similar to PS3) The big differece from ps2 to 360 is the gameplay. The bigest thing that i noteced betwen the two is how the players move. 360 got linear movement and ps got that quadriactic movement. Saying that the ps version moves in a curved fasion (more realistic) and 360 moves in stright lines.

306 movement........ /\
ps movement........... ~

But if u dont want the occasional "burp" and better lighting effects go with the 360.[/quote]Wow.
 
I've played all 3 myself, the PS2 version is the superior version gameplay wise.. by far. I was able to play All Pro football 2k8 on 360, and PS3 (demos) and on the PS3, that game running at 30fps was smooth, felt good, and there was just so much detail on the players, the stadiums, and sidelines, player uniforms... The ball physics are better as well, it doesn't float around waiting to be caught, The players animate so much better in All pro. All pro shows that a next gen football game can have good gameplay even at 30fps.. Madden (ps3) was poorly done... as a matter of fact... EA should give anyone who bought madden 08(ps3) 10 dollars of Madden 09. If All pro had access to the NFL license, they would have had the superior football game on the PS3, and possible the 360 as well.
 
Madden isn't a fast enough game for framerate to matter. The 30/60 difference isn't really obvious until you start playing a racing game like Burnout or a FPS like Unreal Tournament.

I've got the 360 version of NCAA 08, and that still has that stupid nextgen "hiccup" when it loads stats on screen post-huddle. Bugs the shit out of me.
 
I've played all 3 myself, the PS2 version is the superior version gameplay wise.. by far. I was able to play All Pro football 2k8 on 360, and PS3 (demos) and on the PS3, that game running at 30fps was smooth, felt good, and there was just so much detail on the players, the stadiums, and sidelines, player uniforms... The ball physics are better as well, it doesn't float around waiting to be caught, The players animate so much better in All pro. All pro shows that a next gen football game can have good gameplay even at 30fps.. Madden (ps3) was poorly done... as a matter of fact... EA should give anyone who bought madden 08(ps3) 10 dollars of Madden 09. If All pro had access to the NFL license, they would have had the superior football game on the PS3, and possible the 360 as well.
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There we go. thats what i was looking for. PS3 has WAY better physics than 360!! 360 may have better graphics (at the time) but PS3 graphics are not bad at all. So i would choose PS3 over 360 just because physics are better which in turn means better gameplay (at least for me). But everybody has there opinion.
 
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