"Marxist" questions to Biden get News Channel "cut off" from Obama camp

bmulligan - you are coming off as a hypocrite here...

If you are going to play the ACORN card, I will also play the ACORN card and say McCain has publicly supported ACORN numerous times including giving speeches to and get paid by ACORN.

basically, McCain has resulted to throwing dirt around, but what he's failed to realize that the dirt that he slinging is the same shit he has done...
 
[quote name='bmulligan']See? Another drone. You've made a good marketing campaign, myke.[/quote]

Well, then give us an example of McCain facing as tough of a question as Biden faced in the OP. Myke had what ammounted to an internet forum mental breakdown pleading for someone to do this and no one who claims he has faced questions just as tough (yourself, included) has done anything but give shitty arguments based on false conceptions in return.
 
To be fair, the breakdown was a combination of frustration at the general hemming and hawing of the regular right-leaning-folks on the board. They talk about the liberal media as if questioning the truth of such a claim is akin to doubting if water is wet...then when challenged on it, they balk.

It wasn't like I was asking folks to climb mount olympus, bring a RROD'd 360 back from the dead, or find a fun third-party game on the Wii. I was asking for people to do a simple internet search. The same thing everyone does every time they want to have an opinion on something but discover they are uninformed.

So it was the sheer gall of folks to parade around the media's inherent liberality as fact - then to hide behind pablum and blather when I give them the opportunity to demonstrate the truth of a claim that they dine on so voraciously.

Frustration, and Fable kept crashing on my 360. Stupid crappy BC. That put me over the edge. fuckin' hate my 360 sometimes, man.
 
Just playing Devil's Advocate but bmulligan is saying that Biden lied about ACRN. All of our points about their relationship with Obama are, in his opinion, moot.

Also, News Channel did an interview with McCain yesterday. She asked him why his campaign seems so disorganized compared to Obama's. I'm trying to track down a link for you, myke.
 
Eh, telling McCain his campaign isn't as organized is hardly accusing him of being the second coming of Karl Marx.
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/politifact/6070356.html

This a concise article, and as we all knew before McCain has gone and spoken before (and complimented) ACORN in the past.

So I do see lies, half truths and BS but they are once again coming from:
mppbjf0.jpg

Doing the same thing they do every night...
 
Nah. I don't think the two interviews are very comparable at all. Her questions are semi-tough, contain none of the venom implicit in her phrasing of questions for Biden.

It's also convenient that this happens after she gets shit for hammering Biden with talking points from the RNC.
 
I think the lady has the right to ask whatever question she wants. However, the questions that she asked and how they were posed made it clear that she was not on a "fact-finding mission", but rather wanted to frame the debate in a certain light. I'm not sure what that's called, but it certainly wasnt "journalism".

(to go a little deeper and slighty OT)
The biggest problem I have with the whole "Marxist" claim is that, fundamentally, Sen. McCain is no different. His tax policy is still a "progressive" tax, where you pay more tax if you make more ('punishing hard-working Americans). He advocates the government literally becoming a home mortgage originator by buying up "toxic" mortgages, ripping them up and negotiating new loans.

But the worst part is, you hear his advisors like Steve Forbes and other supporters saying that Sen Obama's tax cut to 95% of families is a redistribution of wealth because somewhere between 30-40% of families have no federal income tax liabilities. Therefore, they are just getting a check not a reduction in taxes. This is indeed true. HOWEVER, Sen. McCain's heath care plan is centered around a $5,000 *refundable* tax credit. The "refundable" part is important because it means you are eligible to receive the credit even if you have ZERO federal income tax liablility. Thus, McCain also is advocating giving a check to those who pay no federal income tax. If these things make Sen. Obama a "Marxist", would the same ring true for Sen. McCain?

Strangely, while they danced around the topic of "socialism", I dont recall Sen. McCain being asked about this "refundable credit" during his most recent Meet the Press interview.

But people keep telling me the entire "mainstream media" is in bed with the lefties.....(unless of course you're reading a left-wing site, then they say the "coporate media" is beholden to the Republicans)

It's all a joke (and not a very funny one either).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Nah. I don't think the two interviews are very comparable at all. Her questions are semi-tough, contain none of the venom implicit in her phrasing of questions for Biden.

It's also convenient that this happens after she gets shit for hammering Biden with talking points from the RNC.[/quote]

I don't approve it either but it's pretty bad that I had to go and find the link because the "conservatives" in the thread are too lazy to do it.

EDIT -- Marxist is getting play because it's a buzz word. It gets people riled up because they immediately think of the Soviet Union and how they were our enemy. Facist is the same way.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
or find a fun third-party game on the Wii. [/quote]
:lol:

Frustration, and Fable kept crashing on my 360. Stupid crappy BC. That put me over the edge. fuckin' hate my 360 sometimes, man.
That's why I stopped playing Fable on the 360 too.
 
[quote name='HowStern']Yeah, because McCain/Palin have been hailstormed with some tough ones, like "So, Sarah what newspapers do you enjoy reading?"[/QUOTE]

Bullshit. You haven't seen the Gibson interview, have you? That's enough to disprove your point, and that was only the first interview she did.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Bullshit. You haven't seen the Gibson interview, have you? That's enough to disprove your point, and that was only the first interview she did.[/QUOTE]

You have got to be kidding.

Whether you are joking or serious I am having trouble typing because of the laughter.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Bullshit. You haven't seen the Gibson interview, have you? That's enough to disprove your point, and that was only the first interview she did.[/QUOTE]


Hang on there Principe, only conservatives are allowed to wear blinders.


[quote name='howstern']
Well, then give us an example of McCain facing as tough of a question as Biden faced in the OP.[/QUOTE]

You just can't get it, can you? The discussion is not about McCain, it's about Obama/Biden, and that Biden lied in almost every answer he gave, regardless of the audacity of the questioning.
I'm not a McCain supporter. Finding dirt on mcCain is as easy as breahting air, so it's meaningless to me and allows me to be more objective than you because of your blind infatuation.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']I'm not a McCain supporter. Finding dirt on mcCain is as easy as breahting air, so it's meaningless to me and allows me to be more objective than you because of your blind infatuation.[/quote]

Go take a nap and find something that supports you. You get more and more pissed and it's really getting funny because it seems like you have a blind infatuation with bullshit.

So you just like arguing with people even though you don't support the candidate? I've heard of Devil's Advocates but you take the cake. You come into every conversation and do nothing but put us down for supporting liberals. We didn't put you down for supporting your guy.

We're putting down conservatives for the same tactics they've used to win five out of the last seven elections in this country. It's the same slimeball tactics every time and all you can keep going on about is how we have blinders and how we're in bed with Obama. You treat everyone and everything like it has a liberal bias. Maybe some of us do but most of us are pretty centrist and would just like to see some positive change happen in this country instead of pseudo maverick change.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Hang on there Principe, only conservatives are allowed to wear blinders.




You just can't get it, can you? The discussion is not about McCain, it's about Obama/Biden, and that Biden lied in almost every answer he gave, regardless of the audacity of the questioning.
I'm not a McCain supporter. Finding dirt on mcCain is as easy as breahting air, so it's meaningless to me and allows me to be more objective than you because of your blind infatuation.[/quote]

It's not about being a McCain supporter. It's about proving there is a liberal bias in the media like you claim there is. Why the hell would we want dirt on McCain just to have dirt on McCain?

edit: Elprincipe, just because Sarah Palin doesn't have enough of a brain to answer Charlie Gibson's questions, doesn't make them hard.
 
Proving media bias is very easy. Bias is what they don't report, and this election cycle, they've done a lot of non-reporting. They aren't reporting what Obama said in the past, therefore, bias has occurred. The fact that the media has donated 6 to 1 and 9 to 1 (rough estimates mind you, it's been a while since these numbers came out) in favor of Democrats in the last 2 election cycles respectively also shows bias.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Finding dirt on mcCain is as easy as breahting air, so it's meaningless to me and allows me to be more objective than you because of your blind infatuation.[/quote]

What a pompous ass.
 
[quote name='Heavy Hitter']More about an ACORN/Obama campaign connection...

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_595810.html?source=rss&feed=2[/QUOTE]
I don't mean to get all gotcha with my questions here, but where's the issue in that link you provided?

Anita Moncrief, a former Washington, D.C. staffer for Project Vote, which she described as a sister organization of ACORN, said her supervisor told her the list of campaign contributors came from the Obama campaign.
Uh, why would the campaign give out lists when the information is freely available to everyone?
On cross-examination, Moncrief admitted that she had no personal knowledge of how Pennsylvania ACORN registered voters.
Which makes her about as credible as you and I on the issue. So why is this interesting?
Moncrief said she was fired because she put personal expenses on the organization's credit card. She said she repaid about half of the money. "I am really sorry," she said.
And not to get too far into character assassination here, but we aren't talking about someone shitcanned for ideology. This person is a thief.
"I do not think it is a bad organization," she said. Moncrief said she came forward and contacted Heidelbaugh because she believes low-income vote canvassers were not trained and then were "thrown under the bus"-- facing criminal prosecution -- for frauduent registrations. She said there were quotas of voter registration forms for workers and that some were fired for not meeting them.

"The (voter) cards are tied to money. The more cards you get the more money you get," Moncrief said.
So the problem is the methodology ACRN used. Ok. I can groove on that.

So... what exactly about this means someone shouldn't vote for Obama? How exactly does this show poorly on Obama, other than a pretty strained (putting it mildly) connection and some crap methodology? I mean, the same pay-per-whatever is used across the marketing world and is considered an effective tool.

We're all partisans here of one form or another, but there's far too many real issues to debate to put up with ignorant bullshit like that. Don't be a friggin tool.
 
The woman saying this, Moncrief, stole money from ACORN. What better way to get out of paying it back...
And she admits herself the workers get paid by the card. So, people were filling out fake cards to meet quota. Did you even read this article?
If you're trying to say Obama/Biden lied about their involvement with ACORN here's a quote directly from the article
The Obama campaign said it wasn't involved in ACORN registration drive.
They never said they didn't donate money. They said they weren't involved with registering people.
 
[quote name='HowStern']edit: Elprincipe, just because Sarah Palin doesn't have enough of a brain to answer Charlie Gibson's questions, doesn't make them hard.[/QUOTE]

I thought she did fine personally. But there were some tough questions in the interview, including one that people crucified her for when she asked for clarification (oh no, she's so dumb!) before answering. While it wasn't the same as the anchor in the Biden interviewer basically reading him GOP talking points (which he then lied to in reply), it was a tough interview.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I thought she did fine personally. But there were some tough questions in the interview, including one that people crucified her for when she asked for clarification (oh no, she's so dumb!) before answering. While it wasn't the same as the anchor in the Biden interviewer basically reading him GOP talking points (which he then lied to in reply), it was a tough interview.[/quote]

Yeah, but when you set the bar for success at not headbutting Gibson or openly vomiting all over herself it's not too hard for Palin to meet it.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Go take a nap and find something that supports you. You get more and more pissed and it's really getting funny because it seems like you have a blind infatuation with bullshit. [/quote]

No, I'm not infatuated with you. And, unlike you, I don't require others' validation to be comfortable with my beliefs. I'm sure the multitudes of true believers give you great comfort and security.

So you just like arguing with people even though you don't support the candidate? I've heard of Devil's Advocates but you take the cake. You come into every conversation and do nothing but put us down for supporting liberals. We didn't put you down for supporting your guy.

Of course, I'm either with you or against you. There is no other choice for you, is there? And since I don't support McCain, I have no idea what you're talking about in that last sentence. I'm not arguing with you for shits and grins, and I'm not putting you down for supporting " liberals". I'm pointing out the idiocy of your unconditional, irrational devotion to candidates regardless of the evidence against them. Biden could be a pig fucker and it wouldn't matter to you because you'd dismiss it in your mind as right wing photoshopping. No other choice could possibly be the truth to people of faith. It's like telling a born-again that the bible is just a story, not the word of god. You display the same level of faith and reactionary dismissal.

We're putting down conservatives for the same tactics they've used to win five out of the last seven elections in this country. It's the same slimeball tactics every time and all you can keep going on about is how we have blinders and how we're in bed with Obama. You treat everyone and everything like it has a liberal bias. Maybe some of us do but most of us are pretty centrist and would just like to see some positive change happen in this country instead of pseudo maverick change.

Obama represent the same maverick change. There is virtually no difference between the two candidates and their slimeball tactics. The fact that you think only republicans are responsible for slimebaling proves my point.
 
[quote name='camoor']What a pompous ass.[/QUOTE]

I suppose, that since I don't take this as an insult, it proves your point.

Since you do write halfway intelligent posts every so often it puts you at least a half step up the food chain from chum like Mslut. But the fact that most of your trolling takes the form of a third person slur written to appeal to your support group, it invalidates your attempts to be an independent thinker. You're just another zombie who enjoys safety in numbers.
 
I would not mind Bmullet so much if he actually brought something to the party except for bluster.

Why do right wingers cultivate that oh so curious mix of idiocy and arrogance?
 
The husband of the "journalist" "interviewing" Biden has worked for the GOP. Not that that has to influence a spouse but here it CLEARLY does. Hey, she has a career at FUX News if all else fails. A career outside the profession of journalism though...
 
Ya know slutmuffin, you're the only person on my ignore list - and I don't miss you.

Let me take a wild guess as to the length and content of your reply: It's about 8 words, mostly monosyllabic, and completely pointless.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Please tell me you are not relying on an ultra-leftist hack organization like Media Matters for information.[/QUOTE]

Because they have been much more accurate and honest than other info outlets.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Please tell me you are not relying on an ultra-leftist hack organization like Media Matters for information.[/quote]
My point is no one has been able to provide something with as much reliable and poignant information supporting the opposite.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Hm. So um, the video has to be an interview? Can liberal bias only be shown in interviews? Or can it be by omission of facts as well as slanted presentation of facts?[/quote]

Here are some conservatives who KNOW that the "liberal media" is just plain ignorance used to distract, guess who? The ignorant. And gullible. So take it from your boys:


Pat Buchanan:
"I've gotten balanced coverage, and broad coverage--all we could have asked. For heaven sakes, we kid about the 'liberal media,' but every Republican on earth does that,"

William Kristol:
"I admit it," he told a reporter. "The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."

James Baker:
"There were days and times and events we might have had some complaints [but] on balance I don't think we had anything to complain about."

Source: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030224/alterman2


Here is an actual analysis of the whole "liberal media" myth. Read this then see if you can talk this nonsense anymore:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2447
 
It won't matter. They'll just claim that the findings are biased. They'll say that the website is biased. Of course, a liberal website will find that there isn't any bias, blah, blah, blah.
 
:lol: Yep. I've heard plenty of times that FAIR is a liberal organization.

Here's a great article on FOX and MSNBC, their differential election coverage, and a focus on their op-ed/entertainment style prime time broadcasts of O'Reilly/Hannity on one side and Olbermann/Maddow on another. (The irony being that we now have a station that wears its liberality on its sleeve, which was built in reaction to FOX, a station who developed because of the *accusations* that the rest of the media was liberally biased). Nevertheless, it's a good read, but beware, it's the New York Times. Which means that it's written for those of you who are more than functionally literate, and it's seething with liberal bias ;) : http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/us/politics/02tube.html?scp=1&sq=olbermann&st=cse
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Please tell me you are not relying on an ultra-leftist hack organization like Media Matters for information.[/quote]

Seriously, can you provide a organization that is the intellectual equivalent on the right? That provides more than tired rhetoric? AIM is a joke and they may be the best the right has to offer.

Check out my post above on the "liberal media" myth. Even knowledgeable Cons have admitted to it being a myth.

Tell me why is their a POSITIVE correlation between the left and education and a negative one with right and education?

Why did Fox "News" have the most ill informed viewers who believed the propaganda of the Bush admin when it came to the Iraq War?
Check out this poll and analysis:
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/p...security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc
 
You can bring out all those fancy numbers all you want but you'll never get a conservative to listen unless you promise to never take away guns or prayer in school.

Also, you must act like you're tough on illegal immigration but make it very easy for Joe the Plumber and Tito the Contractor to hire illegals.

You must act like you're very hawkish on defense issues but then use those honorable soldiers to settle personal vendettas or to secure oil rights for our business interests.

Then you've got to pretend to care about the injured vets while they sit in rat infested Walter Reed waiting for a prosthetic.

Oh, and don't forget to make marriage between a man and woman only. Because we have to use Biblical law when it comes to our fancy pants 21st century law.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']:lol: Yep. I've heard plenty of times that FAIR is a liberal organization.

Here's a great article on FOX and MSNBC, their differential election coverage, and a focus on their op-ed/entertainment style prime time broadcasts of O'Reilly/Hannity on one side and Olbermann/Maddow on another. (The irony being that we now have a station that wears its liberality on its sleeve, which was built in reaction to FOX, a station who developed because of the *accusations* that the rest of the media was liberally biased). Nevertheless, it's a good read, but beware, it's the New York Times. Which means that it's written for those of you who are more than functionally literate, and it's seething with liberal bias ;) : http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/us/politics/02tube.html?scp=1&sq=olbermann&st=cse[/quote]



I have come to the conclusion that conservatism has more to do with maintaining the status quo. i.e. not progresssing forward. The "left" or "liberals" have created progress through history. The left is more open to self-criticism and therefore willing to fix the flaws in our society. Without the left, the cons would have prevented us from ending slavery, segregation, child labor, inequality of women, workplace explotation, and all other evils. We must drag them kicking and screaming. But, you know what? They thank us in the end. For civilizing them. But, they still don't want to be told that anything is wrong. America is perfect. Must obey and be obedient. Too much information hurts brain... Oh yeah, and don't get me started on lack of education and its affinity for the conservative mindest. For our country to rise to its great potential, we need to keep the cons from slowing us down. THEY are the problem.
 
The only response to "here's some attempt at researching the bias of the media, and it shows that there's no liberal bias" you're going to get is "the media has a liberal bias."

No data, no support, no nothin'. To some folks, the bias of the media seems as evident as water's wetness is apparent. Likewise, there are some folks who are equally certain of the presence of Jesus, or ghosts, or spirits in our world.

Doesn't make any of them right (save for the water folks), but it does mean you have more than an uphill battle trying to convince them otherwise.
 
[quote name='depascal22']You can bring out all those fancy numbers all you want but you'll never get a conservative to listen unless you promise to never take away guns or prayer in school.

Also, you must act like you're tough on illegal immigration but make it very easy for Joe the Plumber and Tito the Contractor to hire illegals.

You must act like you're very hawkish on defense issues but then use those honorable soldiers to settle personal vendettas or to secure oil rights for our business interests.

Then you've got to pretend to care about the injured vets while they sit in rat infested Walter Reed waiting for a prosthetic.

Oh, and don't forget to make marriage between a man and woman only. Because we have to use Biblical law when it comes to our fancy pants 21st century law.[/quote]


Wow! You just summed up the Republican platform and the McCain campaign. Except you MUST mention something about them terrorists/socialists/evil-ists gonna git us. Oh yeah and 9/11 too.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']Here are some conservatives who KNOW that the "liberal media" is just plain ignorance used to distract, guess who? The ignorant. And gullible. So take it from your boys:[/quote]
My boys?
Not my boys, son.

[quote name='joeboosauce']Seriously, can you provide a organization that is the intellectual equivalent on the right? That provides more than tired rhetoric? AIM is a joke and they may be the best the right has to offer. [/quote]
Your tunnel vision is so utterly satisfying; to see someone both deny liberal media bias and defend media matters as a legitimate source of news and facts on the same page. Next you'll be telling us Foxnews has no right bias and republicans represent conservatism. I can't wait to see what you say next.

Check out my post above on the "liberal media" myth. Even knowledgeable Cons have admitted to it being a myth.
I'm sorry but defending media matters as legitimate does kind of the opposite of make you an authority on liberal media bias. Let me guess, Dailykos is for desert?

[quote name='joeboosauce']I have come to the conclusion that conservatism has more to do with maintaining the status quo. i.e. not progresssing forward. The "left" or "liberals" have created progress through history. The left is more open to self-criticism and therefore willing to fix the flaws in our society. Without the left, the cons would have prevented us from ending slavery, segregation, child labor, inequality of women, workplace explotation, and all other evils. We must drag them kicking and screaming. But, you know what? They thank us in the end. For civilizing them. But, they still don't want to be told that anything is wrong. America is perfect. Must obey and be obedient. Too much information hurts brain... Oh yeah, and don't get me started on lack of education and its affinity for the conservative mindest. For our country to rise to its great potential, we need to keep the cons from slowing us down. THEY are the problem.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. Conservatives change all the time. Study history. They just don't like to change without good reasons, change to changes that makes no sense, or change for changes sake. Which puts them at polar opposite of the modern liberal movement.

[quote name='depascal22']The definition of conservatism is to conserve what we have. Change is bad.[/QUOTE]
That's quite a generalization.
Merriam Webster:
2 a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change ; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

Since generalizations are the theme of the past 2 pages, allow me mine:

The big difference between conservatives and liberals in modern politics:

Conservatives are generally pretty happy with the way the United States was created. They like the constitution. They like states rights inherent in the founding documents. They like government to mostly be in charge of protection and defense and to stay out of most everything else. They feel the country is and has deviated from it's original set up and would like to work to get it back (for the most part i.e. not slavery).

Liberals generally, take very fundamental issues with the foundation of the United States. They feel the constitution was the best thing written at the time, but flawed, and feel it's due for a lot of changes. Capitalism is unfair and leaves a sour taste in their mouth and they gravitate towards larger nanny state policy. Fairness, above all else, is the role of government, and it must be grown and funded eternally in pursuit of the ultimate fair state at any cost. They aren't as happy with the way the country was set up originally, and they would like to morph it into something else more like countries across the pond.
 
Your boys or not, he gave a list of quotes from the creme de la creme of conservatives admitting the liberal bias charges against the media are a distraction. Made up bullshit to ease the blame on the right's wrongdoings.

Despite everyone bashing media matters, the truth is, anyone can easily research if what they write is true or not. In most cases, it is true. It's absolutely biased. Completely leftist. No one is arguing that. But that doesn't make it unreliable in providing us with corrections MSM "left out" about certain issues.

Now if someone could provide us with a site that does the same for the right side of things we could compare and contrast. See which side gets falsified more often. No one has been able to do that though. And I don't see it happening anytime soon as this topic has been up for a while.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']Seriously, can you provide a organization that is the intellectual equivalent on the right? That provides more than tired rhetoric? AIM is a joke and they may be the best the right has to offer.

Check out my post above on the "liberal media" myth. Even knowledgeable Cons have admitted to it being a myth.[/QUOTE]

1. Off the top of my head, I can't think of an equivalent of Media Matters on the right, but I know they exist. I'm not sure why this is relevant to anything, as it would only prove that there are hacks on both sides, something everyone with any brain agrees on.

2. The "liberal media" is not a myth. Most journalists are liberals. This is something self-admitted. 90+% of journalists voted for Bill Clinton, for example, and the vast majority supported Gore and Kerry over Bush. I'm sure the vast majority will vote for Obama (Salon just recently reported that in their offices 55 would vote for Obama, one (1) for McCain).

Whether or not, or to what extent, this affects coverage is the important question, however. Personally, I think it has an effect but not as much as some conservatives would have us believe.
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']I have come to the conclusion that conservatism has more to do with maintaining the status quo. i.e. not progresssing forward. The "left" or "liberals" have created progress through history. The left is more open to self-criticism and therefore willing to fix the flaws in our society. Without the left, the cons would have prevented us from ending slavery, segregation, child labor, inequality of women, workplace explotation, and all other evils. We must drag them kicking and screaming. But, you know what? They thank us in the end. For civilizing them. But, they still don't want to be told that anything is wrong. America is perfect. Must obey and be obedient. Too much information hurts brain... Oh yeah, and don't get me started on lack of education and its affinity for the conservative mindest. For our country to rise to its great potential, we need to keep the cons from slowing us down. THEY are the problem.[/QUOTE]

Now, keep in mind I am not a Republican, but you do realize that slavery was ended by Republicans, and the Civil Rights Act was filibustered by Southern Democrats, right? That's just for starters. You equate today's "liberals" with classic liberalism. One some issues you are right, and on others the Republican Party are the classic liberals. The BS you wrote above is naive at best.
 
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