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[quote name='io']Yes, but if you are going for the level achievements you will need to use the same character and then you are stuck with it. I picked a char with a wide range of abilities (Vanguard I think?) - some weapon, some biotic. The problem is he isn't a specialist in either area so I *still* have to play as all those other types to get the last few achievements. The thing is I guess you don't have to play all the way through - just enough to get the achs...[/quote]

So what you are saying is when I start over I can pick a new character with biotics but he won't be leveled up (so no level achievements) or I can use the same Shepard I'm using now all leveled up (so no biotics achievements)? Those are my choices?!?!?

So if I want everything I have to play through this game a minimum of 4 times? 3 times for the leveling up and ally achievements and one extra time for the biotics? I am so pissed I chose to be a soldier.
 
[quote name='javeryh']
So if I want everything I have to play through this game a minimum of 4 times? 3 times for the leveling up and ally achievements and one extra time for the biotics? I am so pissed I chose to be a soldier.[/QUOTE]

This is correct. ME is unfortunately one of those games you apparently need to read all the walkthroughs first before you play it in order to avoid having to play through about a billion times.
 
[quote name='lordwow']This is correct. ME is unfortunately one of those games you apparently need to read all the walkthroughs first before you play it in order to avoid having to play through about a billion times.[/quote]

Ugh. It's highly frustrating to find this out now - especially when some of the walkthroughs I was looking at suggested a Soldier for the first time through. The chances of me playing this 4 times are slim to none.
 
ME is one of those games that makes me glad that I don't care at all about achievements. :D

I had no problem with the Thorian on my play through. Don't think I died at all. Just clear a room, save and go on to the next one.

But I think I did that planet second of my post citadel story missions and I always did every available side quest I had found before going on to the next story missions so I was always fairly leveled up heading into story missions.
 
The problem, I think, with the early walkthroughs, was that there was some belief rampant that you had to be trained in the gun type to get the achievement, but that is not true, I've gotten the assault rifle one with my infiltrator dude, and am close to getting shotgun too.

You really should run through as a biotic first, then an engineer (or vice versa). Achievement-wise, there's no reason 2 play anything but these 2 classes, other than maybe ease.
 
[quote name='lordwow']The problem, I think, with the early walkthroughs, was that there was some belief rampant that you had to be trained in the gun type to get the achievement, but that is not true, I've gotten the assault rifle one with my infiltrator dude, and am close to getting shotgun too.

You really should run through as a biotic first, then an engineer (or vice versa). Achievement-wise, there's no reason 2 play anything but these 2 classes, other than maybe ease.[/QUOTE]

I tried getting Assault Rifle kills with my Vanguard (thus untrained) and I couldn't kill jack squat so I assumed the damage I was doing was minimal and thus it was impossible. Now that I'm playing on Insanity it is probably even harder. I just assume it would be easier to start a new game afterwards and just concentrate on those different weapon types.

But really, though I'm so close, I may not go for the 1000 - the work needed to get those last few 20 pointers is just not worth it. Plus I'm playing Lost Odyssey now so I'm not sure when I'll finish my Insanity playthrough (though, being half way, I might as well).

Javeryh - there's at least one good thing about multiple playthroughs. First, you can skip through dialog with X. Second, you start to know where everything is pretty quickly. My first play was 40 hours. My second (on hardcord and getting ally achs so I was pretty thorough) took 24. I'm halfway through on Insanity and it has only been 4 hours or so. I still have a lot of sidequests to finish up on uncharted planets but I'd expect to finish up at around 10 hours. I'm at the level cap (60) now so I'm just blasting everything from the Mako and not trying to maximize the exp any more - that saves tons of time. I've also stopped opening every locked item I find.
 
[quote name='io']I tried getting Assault Rifle kills with my Vanguard (thus untrained) and I couldn't kill jack squat so I assumed the damage I was doing was minimal and thus it was impossible. Now that I'm playing on Insanity it is probably even harder. I just assume it would be easier to start a new game afterwards and just concentrate on those different weapon types.

But really, though I'm so close, I may not go for the 1000 - the work needed to get those last few 20 pointers is just not worth it. Plus I'm playing Lost Odyssey now so I'm not sure when I'll finish my Insanity playthrough (though, being half way, I might as well).

Javeryh - there's at least one good thing about multiple playthroughs. First, you can skip through dialog with X. Second, you start to know where everything is pretty quickly. My first play was 40 hours. My second (on hardcord and getting ally achs so I was pretty thorough) took 24. I'm halfway through on Insanity and it has only been 4 hours or so. I still have a lot of sidequests to finish up on uncharted planets but I'd expect to finish up at around 10 hours. I'm at the level cap (60) now so I'm just blasting everything from the Mako and not trying to maximize the exp any more - that saves tons of time. I've also stopped opening every locked item I find.[/QUOTE]

If you use the Spectre Weapons, even untrained, they are very powerful. I just finished getting the shotgun one, so I had gotten pistol & sniper rifle trained in my first playthrough, about the last 1/4 of my first playthrough and first 1/4 of this playthrough using the untrained assault rifle, and the rest (about 3/4 of this playthrough) using an untrained shotgun, and now have all 4 despite only having training in 2. It's not bad, but you've gotta find ways to kill steal from your allies (get the last hit, which is all that matters).
 
[quote name='lordwow']The problem, I think, with the early walkthroughs, was that there was some belief rampant that you had to be trained in the gun type to get the achievement, but that is not true, I've gotten the assault rifle one with my infiltrator dude, and am close to getting shotgun too.

You really should run through as a biotic first, then an engineer (or vice versa). Achievement-wise, there's no reason 2 play anything but these 2 classes, other than maybe ease.[/QUOTE]

That's true, I actually claimed otherwise on a different post, but I've been working on the shotgun achievement with my adept. You'd have a lot more fun playing w/o a care for the achievements though, picking different members of your squad, and doing whatever you want Renegade/Paragon-wise.
 
Man, I figured the Hardcore difficulty wouldn't be bad with a 50+ level character and Spectre X grade weapons but they don't mess around at all. I should definitely be getting the First Aid achievement now. I guess I forgot that the better I get, the better they get, too.
 
I just saw that the DLC is coming March 10 for 400 points and it will include 50 Achievement Points. Sweet! I'll probably pick this up after I finish the game for the first time so I can do the new mission during my second playthrough...

The "Bring Down the Sky" content pack will be released to Xbox LIVE® Marketplace on Monday, March 10 at 2:00 A.M. PST, and will be available for 400 Microsoft points. This is the first in a series of planned downloadable content that further expands the Mass Effect universe and continues the adventures of Commander Shepard and the crew of the Normandy.


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"Bring Down the Sky" includes a new uncharted world that introduces the notorious and feared alien race of the Batarians. A Batarian extremist group has hijacked a mobile asteroid station in the Asgard system, setting it on a collision course with the nearby colony world of Terra Nova. Only Commander Shepard can save the millions of innocent civilians before the asteroid completes its deadly descent.


"Bring Down the Sky" contains approximately 90 minutes of heart-pounding action and a new Achievement worth 50 Gamerscore points.
 
I thought it was coming out next week, did it get pushed back, or am I just losing my mind.

I'll pick it up for 400 pts, I'll finish my 2nd playthrough first (you'll need a new playthrough to access it they've said) and run my 3rd playthrough with it. Gives me a nice break from the game after some hardcore time with it the last 2 weeks.

Also a question about the Rachni:

I get that ExoGeni had the queen and was making more, but did they transport them off-world to all these other planets? Like I know theres some in their science stations, but on the Listening Post assignments, there's just a ton of them in cave. So are there just more non-extinct ones out there, or did ExoGeni send off the ones they made?

Edit: I re-read it, and I think if I understand correctly they were being shipped to the listening posts, then they sort of overran the places.
 
[quote name='lordwow']I thought it was coming out next week, did it get pushed back, or am I just losing my mind.

I'll pick it up for 400 pts, I'll finish my 2nd playthrough first (you'll need a new playthrough to access it they've said) and run my 3rd playthrough with it. Gives me a nice break from the game after some hardcore time with it the last 2 weeks.

Also a question about the Rachni:

I get that ExoGeni had the queen and was making more, but did they transport them off-world to all these other planets? Like I know theres some in their science stations, but on the Listening Post assignments, there's just a ton of them in cave. So are there just more non-extinct ones out there, or did ExoGeni send off the ones they made?

Edit: I re-read it, and I think if I understand correctly they were being shipped to the listening posts, then they sort of overran the places.
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Your edit is correct. ;)
 
So I beat Feros, did a crap-load of sidequests and I'm in Noveria now. Halfway through driving to PEAK 15 or whatever its called.
This game=AWESOME.
I hate elevators though.
 
I beat the game on Normal as an Adept my first time and am going to start a 2nd play through. The specific achievements I managed to get were...

Rank: Level 50.
Points: Paragon.
Allies: Soldier. Sentinel.
Weapons: Shotgun. Pistol.
Skills: Stasis. Lift. Warp. Singularity. Barrier. Throw. First Aid.

Obviously I still need to continue using my character for another play through to get to the Rank 60 achievement. And I'll use 2 different allies for each of the next 2 play throughs (Krogan, Turian, Quarian, & Asari). Plus when I start a new character for 1 of the next 2 play throughs I'll need to go for my Renegade points as well. Plus I'll play on Hardcore and then Insanity.

Here are the other specific achievements I need...
Weapons: Assault Rifle. Sniper.
Skills: Damping. A.I. Hacking. Overload. Sabotage. Neural Shock.

My question is whether I'll be able to get the weapon and skills achievements in the next 2 play throughs based on the info I provided above. I know the skills are basically the ones that Kaidan has as a Biotic or whatever so I figure I can do those when I create a new character on my 3rd playthrough. What worries me is the weapon achievements. I started using my assault rifle towards the end of my 1st playthrough and didn't really snipe much. Now I've been reading the thread and it seems that this will be possible if I focus on the skills since I can get the weapon achievements using whatever class.

Thanks in advance. And sorry for being so specific.

EDIT: Can I start a new game on my 2nd play through on Hardcore and then continue w/ my original character from my 1st play through for my 3rd play through on Insanity?
 
Just finished my second character last night (soldier, renegade, hardcore) and wow, the renegade ending is pretty grim and not a fraction as awesome as the paragon ending. This may sound ridiculous, but while I was planning to use my old paragon/vanguard character for my insanity playthrough, I feel like I need to reuse my soldier and make some paragon choices this time around so she can redeem herself. I picked all the renegade options during the ending, so she was pretty despicable. (Except for
choosing Ambassador Udina to lead... That guy sucks.
)

A couple questions before I leave Eden Prime: I've read conflicting things about whether you can get the Insanity achievement (and more importantly, the sweet N7 gamerpic) on a new game+. Do you have to start a brand new character, or is it the same deal as Hardcore where I can load my old career and just switch the difficulty to Insanity immediately?

Also, what causes the Normandy quartermaster/Citadel shops to get new equipment in? (Specifically, new high end/rare equipment.) I'd check them after major missions or every couple assignments, but a lot of the stuff always looked familiar.

[quote name='lordwow']This is correct. ME is unfortunately one of those games you apparently need to read all the walkthroughs first before you play it in order to avoid having to play through about a billion times.[/quote]

Fortunately, I have no problem whatsoever playing through this game a billion times.

[quote name='Cleaner7']Here are the other specific achievements I need...
Weapons: Assault Rifle. Sniper.
Skills: Damping. A.I. Hacking. Overload. Sabotage. Neural Shock.

My question is whether I'll be able to get the weapon and skills achievements in the next 2 play throughs based on the info I provided above.[/quote]

I think you should be good if you just play as a soldier and an engineer and spam your eng abilities. I've heard AI hacking is tough, so be sure to maximize that one. Also is neural shock tech or biotic? That might throw a wrench into things.
 
^Thanks for the answer.

I was just looking at a Skills FAQ on gamefaqs.com and I can get Damping, Hacking, Decryption, and Electronics all through the Engineer or Machinist paths. It just doesn't specify about Overload, Sabotage, and Neural Shock, but I think they're covered under Decryption and Electronics since Kaiden had them. Hopefully that works out.

The Assault Rifle and Sniper skills require the Soldier, Agent, and Battlemaster or Soldier, Infiltrator, and Agent paths respectively.

Using that general knowledge I want to say that I should focus on the skills achievements and then I can get the weapons ones later if I don't get them over the course of my play throughs.

Looks like I'll start a new playthrough as an Engineer and then maybe a Soldier if I still need to after I continue as my Adept.
 
You may want to search around to confirm this, but I'm pretty sure that your allies' actions don't count towards any of the achievements. The FAQ is a little misleading if it mentioned ally classes like agent and battlemaster as helping to unlock anything.
 
You are right, I think you misunderstood me. I just meant that Kaiden had the abilities so I should be able to go that route and complete the achievement. Thanks again!
 
[quote name='metaly']Just finished my second character last night (soldier, renegade, hardcore) and wow, the renegade ending is pretty grim and not a fraction as awesome as the paragon ending. This may sound ridiculous, but while I was planning to use my old paragon/vanguard character for my insanity playthrough, I feel like I need to reuse my soldier and make some paragon choices this time around so she can redeem herself. I picked all the renegade options during the ending, so she was pretty despicable. (Except for
choosing Ambassador Udina to lead... That guy sucks.
)[/quote]

Wait, what!? I played with all the Renegade choices and the ending was EXACTLY the same as before (when I maxed out Paragon). I didn't think there were different endings. Well, I did save the council again because I was thinking that would be the character I would end up using on ME2 and I didn't want the council gone. But are there different things other than the choices?

A couple questions before I leave Eden Prime: I've read conflicting things about whether you can get the Insanity achievement (and more importantly, the sweet N7 gamerpic) on a new game+. Do you have to start a brand new character, or is it the same deal as Hardcore where I can load my old career and just switch the difficulty to Insanity immediately?

I certainly hope you can do the same char because that's what I'm doing now... If I get nothing out of this playthrough I'll be a little fed up with the game I think.

As for all the people suggesting you can get the weapon achievements untrained that may be true for the shotgun - but I already got that via training (it was my main weapon for the 3 playthroughs actually). But since that has a nice spread out shot it is probably way easier to use untrained. I tried the Spectre master assault rifle untrained and it didn't do anything.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Depending on how you deal with the council, the ending is different.[/QUOTE]

Well, I didn't consider those "Renegade vs Paragon" decisions, really. I thought he was saying playing the whole game as renegade results in an entirely different outcome (and choices to make). I was somewhat underwhelmed, actually, with the "normal" ending so something different there wouldn't shock me I guess.
 
Sorry, yeah, I did just mean I picked the renegade choices (or what I considered renegade -- I can see how you could go either way) at the very end. The only thing your overal paragon/renegade score seems to affect is the end scene with your character in front of the planet.

And I'm pretty sure now the thing about the insanity achievement requiring a new character is false. The guy I heard it from must have just been confused.

I'm considering just blazing through the story and skipping sidequests for my insanity game. I'll probably go back to doing the complete playthrough when I make an adept later on.
 
Personally, I was really unhappy with this aspect of the ending:

How on earth is choosing to kill the reaver a renegade choice while saving the council a paragon? By killing the reaver you're putting an end to it's reign of terror across the galaxy, and I'm a bad guy because I tell my ships to worry about a ridiculously powerful and nearly unstoppable reaper rather than save the council who apparently evacuate in a shuttlecraft?

Saving the council IMO is more selfish than destroying the reaper.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Personally, I was really unhappy with this aspect of the ending:

How on earth is choosing to kill the reaver a renegade choice while saving the council a paragon? By killing the reaver you're putting an end to it's reign of terror across the galaxy, and I'm a bad guy because I tell my ships to worry about a ridiculously powerful and nearly unstoppable reaper rather than save the council who apparently evacuate in a shuttlecraft?

Saving the council IMO is more selfish than destroying the reaper.
[/QUOTE]
Personally I don't see how anything that has to do with helping the council is a paragon choice, or how anyone here picked anything but letting them die. They were a bunch of racist assholes.
[quote name='javeryh']So how do I get better at skills? for example, I've come across items I can't hack into because my skill is too low...[/quote]
Level up your decryption skill or take party members with you that have good stats in that area. Tali and Garrus for example.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Level up your decryption skill or take party members with you that have good stats in that area. Tali and Garrus for example.[/quote]

So if one of my party members can do something that means I can do it too or do I have to tell Tali to go unlock something?
 
[quote name='javeryh']So if one of my party members can do something that means I can do it too or do I have to tell Tali to go unlock something?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you can do it too. You just need to have that character in your party.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Yeah, you can do it too. You just need to have that character in your party.[/quote]

OK cool. I guess Tali wasn't leveled up enough on Feros to unlock everything.
 
OK, I did a bit more exploring last night. I've been scanning planets for minerals and stuff which is fine. There's usually one planet in each system to land on and explore. I've noticed that some of the mineral deposits don't show up on the overworld map so how do you know if you've found everything on a planet? It takes quite a bit of time to patrol the surface. Also, I've come across things I can't access - like there was a probe that required electronics to access but I wasn't leveled up enough to get inside. I wanted to clear that entire system but now I might have to come back - is this typical? How do you remember where you've been and what you've collected on each planet?

Also, is there a good place to do some grinding to level up like some place with respawning enemies or something? I'm at level 22 now and I'd like to get higher.
 
[quote name='javeryh']OK, I did a bit more exploring last night. I've been scanning planets for minerals and stuff which is fine. There's usually one planet in each system to land on and explore. I've noticed that some of the mineral deposits don't show up on the overworld map so how do you know if you've found everything on a planet? It takes quite a bit of time to patrol the surface. Also, I've come across things I can't access - like there was a probe that required electronics to access but I wasn't leveled up enough to get inside. I wanted to clear that entire system but now I might have to come back - is this typical? How do you remember where you've been and what you've collected on each planet?

Also, is there a good place to do some grinding to level up like some place with respawning enemies or something? I'm at level 22 now and I'd like to get higher.[/QUOTE]


The way to do it is use the Mass Effect Wiki site. They have a list of all minerals on a given planet and their approximate location. It comes in handy, especially if you're trying to get that assignment done.

Beat my 2nd playthrough last night. Got Asari Ally on Ilos, so I was very happy.
 
That asari ally ach is a bitch to get, congrats on that!

How do you remember where you've been and what you've collected on each planet?

Jav, what I do, is I try to do what you were attempting to do, which is clear out a system at a time. For instance I woudl go to the horse head nebula, then try to tackle every planet on each system within the nebula before leaving. This is not always possible but it's a great way to avoid duplicative efforts.

Other than that, when you enter a system...you know what... this is a great time to clarify definitions:

A planet is the smallest unit in the game. You can land on these. A system is a star, that has several planets revolving around it. What is the thing called that has all the systems in them? For instance Hades Gamma is a ______.

So what I was trying to say is when you enter a system, work your way from the inside out, or outside in. Take the local system or whatever it is called. It has Pluto on the outside and Mars in the inside. Start at Mars or Pluto and work your way out or in respectively. THis allows you to avoid what would amount to probably an hour or two, of double checking planets you've already checked. Some have minerals, others have wrtings, and about half have nothign at all.

Constantly knowing that you have a system in place will prevent you from having to take the time to re-check a planet you can't remember if you checked or not. After landing on earth's moon, I could come back to the Normandy, and confidently know that I only needed to check the planets that orbited the sun INSIDE of earth, because I always, without exception, work my way from the outside in.

Its sort of a nitpicky tip but it will save you some time.

Other than that you really need to get those electronics adn decryption skills leveled up. Nothing sucks worse than being on a planet you know you'll need to return to once you get your elec/decrypt skills leveled up. Okay playing for forty minutes without saving and having to start ALL over sucks worse but it is annoying not being able to open things. The exp is valuable and so is the loot!

how do you know if you've found everything on a planet? It takes quite a bit of time to patrol the surface.

Yeah it does, and mineral deposits are the only thing that don't show on your map (though they do appear on your compass. I jsut took wide swaths in the mako (the compass really does cover almost a third of the width of a map, so you don't actually have ot drive into corners). Know though, that they give you 4-6 extra out of 20. So if you need to find 20 rare earths, and you found every sinlge one ther is to find, you may end up with 24 or 26/20. They give you extra so I sort of said fuck it to scouring every sinlgle inch of each uncharted planet.
 
With the minerals, metals and gases and the race artifacts, there are more around that you need for the assignments. I got all of those done just by scanning all planets, finding everything that showed up on the map, and only getting ones that didn't if I happened to drive close enough to them for them to pop up on the map. I didn't drive around every planet aimlessly to try and find them.
 
Just breezed through Feros on Insanity last night with my soldier. So far the only thing that's really insane seems to be the amount of bullets it takes to drop one of those creepers.

I had a couple of firsts: My Mako flew off the skyway unexpectedly, which was very sad because I lost a set of Battlemaster X armor which I had never even seen before. :[ Then on the way back, apparently it took too much damage while I was killing some enemies on foot. When I got back in, I died instantly. Poor design.

[quote name='pittpizza']What is the thing called that has all the systems in them? for instance Hades Gamma is a cluster.[/quote]

Rather than looking up maps for every planet, I just assumed that there would be 1-2 uncharted minerals per planet and they'd usually be in an empty/remote part of the map. I got in the habit of driving the long way around to get to some objectives and usually came across the extra minerals, and it only took a couple minutes extra per planet.
 
Yeah Metaly I used that method too. If there was an objective directly due north of me, and I had already cleared teh western part of the map, I would just loop around to the east and sort of make a semicircle on my way there.

You may find something pops up on your map, or you may not, etiher way it isnt necessary since, like dmaul pointed out, they give you extra minerals and stuff to find. You do miss out on some xp though not much.
 
Awesome - thanks for the tips. It is a relief to know I don't have to aimlessly drive around every planet to collect the minerals and stuff they are requesting. I really need to read a wiki/faq but I'm afraid of seeing major spoilers.

I haven't encountered any of the "romance" sections I don't think and I'm starting to get worried - if I don't get to see some naked blue butt I'm going to be sad.

I did level up my shotgun to "Carnage" last night - it was the first time I didn't allow for an auto-level up. I had 4 points to spend and I was 4 points shy from maxing out that weapon so I did. It seems to be my weapon of choice (until I get the 150 kills and move on to the pistol or something).
 
Just talk to ashley/liari often in the ship and pick the paragon conversation options, go through all options etc. and you'll be set.

The love scene isn't until near the end of the game, but you'll see more lead up to it in conversations etc. as you go on.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']
You may find something pops up on your map, or you may not, etiher way it isnt necessary since, like dmaul pointed out, they give you extra minerals and stuff to find. You do miss out on some xp though not much.[/QUOTE]

True on EXP. Though as you say, it doens't matter much. I still got to level 50 on my first play through without directly seeking out the unmarked minerals etc.
 
^ Yeah Dmaul, it only really matters for those going for level 60 and even then you don't geta whole lot for finding minerals.

Jav, you need to talk to the ladies in between every main story planet (feros, noveria, etc.). WHen they start repeating themselves you can know for sure that you've done all you need to at that point in time.

And this is pretty obvious but I'll say it anyway.

If you want to have sex with a girl, BE NICE TO HER!

While i was playing one time, my fiance came in the room (not during teh sex scene, thou she was sleeping on the couch next to me at the time, it made me feel...naughty) while I was in convo w/ ashley. She, Friday style, said "Who tha fuck is that bitch!?" while flipping her hair to the side.
 
Just finished Eden Prime, loving the game so far, i'd like it if they had a type of "practice walkthrough" took me about 30 minutes to understand the controls. This game so far is everything KOTOR 2 shoulda been.
 
I just rescued Liara. I'm about 14 hours in and I still don't know what I'm doing! I've never even used the right shoulder button wheel thing!
 
[quote name='javeryh']I just rescued Liara. I'm about 14 hours in and I still don't know what I'm doing! I've never even used the right shoulder button wheel thing![/QUOTE]

Ah, you went to Feros first then before even getting Liara - I could see how that would have been hard. I tend to save Feros for last :lol:. You definitely want to get Liara first - I think it is by far the easiest of the 3 options at that point.
 
[quote name='io']Ah, you went to Feros first then before even getting Liara - I could see how that would have been hard. I tend to save Feros for last :lol:. You definitely want to get Liara first - I think it is by far the easiest of the 3 options at that point.[/quote]

yeah - I thought it was WAY easier than Feros. I'm back on my ship trying to bang everyone now. Talk about effort! I've spent less time talking to real girls and gotten some action much faster!
 
My first time through, I did Artemis Tau, Feros, then Noveria and the order just stuck with me. Doing Artemis Tau first definitely helps because you get Liara, but that krogan battlemaster can be a pain.

Also, I definitely, definitely recommend doing Virmire last if it's your first game.
 
[quote name='metaly']My first time through, I did Artemis Tau, Feros, then Noveria and the order just stuck with me. Doing Artemis Tau first definitely helps because you get Liara, but that krogan battlemaster can be a pain.

Also, I definitely, definitely recommend doing Virmire last if it's your first game.[/quote]

Krogan was a bitch, until I figured out that you take out his friends, then him.
 
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