Mass Effect PC $10 off with pre-order from gamestop

Has anyone tried this? I Got up to the last review of my order, and it still wasn't taking off the $10.
Why couldn't they just use a coupon code instead of making people jump through hoops?
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']I'd like to pick this up, but I'm waiting on what the DRM situation is like.[/quote]If you're hoping it's going to be DRM-free like a Stardock game, then you need to put down the crack pipe and head straight to rehab cuz that ain't gonna happen with a title like this from these devs/pubs. I doubt they'll use Starforce either, so what DRM situation are you looking for?
 
[quote name='Skexis']Has anyone tried this? I Got up to the last review of my order, and it still wasn't taking off the $10.
Why couldn't they just use a coupon code instead of making people jump through hoops?[/quote]

Here's the actual wording from the site:

" $10 off! Pre-order Mass Effect for PC now and receive $10 off the regular price when your order is processed for shipping."

I'm interpreting that to mean that -- given GameStop doesn't charge your card until the item ships -- they'll lop off the $10 then. Your reservation would very likely show $49, but you'll be billed $39.
 
[quote name='DirkBelig']If you're hoping it's going to be DRM-free like a Stardock game, then you need to put down the crack pipe and head straight to rehab cuz that ain't gonna happen with a title like this from these devs/pubs. I doubt they'll use Starforce either, so what DRM situation are you looking for?[/QUOTE]

Publishers have used pretty non-invasive DRM for years now, but recently we've started seeing activation crap. Both Microsoft and Take 2 (who I think is publishing this?) have done that recently. Doesn't mean this will too, but I'm not "buying" it if there's anything like "activation" on it.

[quote name='KhrevalBruuk']Here's the actual wording from the site:

" $10 off! Pre-order Mass Effect for PC now and receive $10 off the regular price when your order is processed for shipping."

I'm interpreting that to mean that -- given GameStop doesn't charge your card until the item ships -- they'll lop off the $10 then. Your reservation would very likely show $49, but you'll be billed $39.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Publishers have used pretty non-invasive DRM for years now, but recently we've started seeing activation crap. Both Microsoft and Take 2 (who I think is publishing this?) have done that recently. Doesn't mean this will too, but I'm not "buying" it if there's anything like "activation" on it.[/quote]I guess you haven't played any Valve games on the PC in the past several years. If you want to pirate it, then just effing steal it and quit bragging that you're striking a blow against The Man in the process.

The irony is that people like you, who loudly brag that they'd rather steal than go thru 5 seconds of activation, are the reason why publishers want to drown their games in stuff like this in the first place. If you were worried about Starforce gunking up your system, that's one thing; whining about activation is a cop-out and an excuse. (It's like the dopes who flipped out about in-game ads in BF2142; crying it was "spyware" when it was nothing more than a few textures on billboards. Woohoo. If you're looking at the wallpaper, you aren't watching for the guys trying to cap your ass.)

The only reason I'm not getting ME immediately on PC is because I put in 40-50 hours on the 360 version and I'm too backlogged in games to start over on the PC. That my character is supposed to roll over to the sequels is a problem since I'm L50 on the 360 already. If there was a way to export my character, that'd be great, but it isn't happening. When this hits the bargain bin, I may give it a whirl to see how alien lez sex looks on the PC.:bouncy:
 
I think it's more of an issue of not wanting to be bound by the publisher's whims... I fucking hate the fact that Bioshock tries to lock me out of the game that I bought and only gives me a limited number of installs. I bought the legitimate game... but I still used a crack so I didn't have to put up with their bullshit. Hopefully it'll be nothing so obnoxious here.
 
I'd bite on this but I'm not sure if my comp will even run this as specs aren't released yet. I played Bioshock and Gears on my comp so I'm hoping this one runs fine. Not too concerned about DRM so long as it isn't worse than Bioshock's. From what I can tell, the DRM in that game didn't cripple my comp at all so it was a non-issue for me.

Nice find OP.
 
[quote name='DirkBelig']If you're hoping it's going to be DRM-free like a Stardock game, then you need to put down the crack pipe and head straight to rehab cuz that ain't gonna happen with a title like this from these devs/pubs. [/QUOTE]

Well, considering Oblivion was essentially DRM free, there is a chance. Considering Bioware's recent PC releases however, it's likely going to use SecuROM.
 
I might order MEPC, if Bioware actually told us what the heck the system requirements for this thing actually are gonna be....

I mean, it's not like this game is coming out 6 months or more from now, we're talkin' this game comin' end of next month. They have to have it nailed down by now, to a pretty good extent...
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I think it's more of an issue of not wanting to be bound by the publisher's whims... I fucking hate the fact that Bioshock tries to lock me out of the game that I bought and only gives me a limited number of installs. I bought the legitimate game... but I still used a crack so I didn't have to put up with their bullshit. Hopefully it'll be nothing so obnoxious here.[/quote]How many simultaneous installs do people REALLY need? Seriously. Are you playing a single-player ONLY game on 10 PCs or are you trying to hook up all your friends and family? Hmmm? You're copying your save games on a key drive from each PC, right? :roll:

Company of Heroes does it right by not requiring the CD to be in the drive to play. Stardock does it right by making updates and online play only available to authenticated keyholders. Even the evil Steam allows you to skip CDs and do multiple installs as long as you aren't trying to run them all at the same time, but they lock your games to your account and require the same authentication that supposedly will be a deal-breaker for Mass Effect.

I'm sorry, but a lot of the self-righteous complaints really fail the smell test. Acting indignant that the publishers are imposing restrictions on their games rings false when it's obvious that what people are trying to do is freely pass around multiple copies of their games and resent that mechanisms are in place to prevent it. Since they can't make 50 extras copies, they use this as justification for their stealing the first one! "I'll show those greedy fuckers who won't let me make 50 copies! Who cares if they spent years and millions developing the game, I WANT WHAT I WANT!!!"

Spare me. As more and more smug PC gamers get their rebellion on by jacking the PC versions of games, watch more and more developers stop bothering with making PC versions in favor of the more secure and lucrative console market. Epic has all but forsaken PC gamers with UT3's half-assed PC version and with Gears of War 2 a sure-fire five-million-copy seller, why not concentrate on the market that's not looking to gank them as a protest?

Life has all sorts of restrictions on it: You can't get drunk and drive at 100mph on the wrong side of the road; as hot as that 14-year-old Lolita may be, you can't fuck her; and as much as you want to, sometimes you can't install a game on 10 PCs at once. Get over yourselves and pay your 40 bucks and have fun. Otherwise, "obtain" it however you want, but keep it to yourself. You're not striking a blow for PC gamers; you're killing off the future of PC games.
 
[quote name='DirkBelig']I guess you haven't played any Valve games on the PC in the past several years. If you want to pirate it, then just effing steal it and quit bragging that you're striking a blow against The Man in the process.

The irony is that people like you, who loudly brag that they'd rather steal than go thru 5 seconds of activation, are the reason why publishers want to drown their games in stuff like this in the first place. If you were worried about Starforce gunking up your system, that's one thing; whining about activation is a cop-out and an excuse. (It's like the dopes who flipped out about in-game ads in BF2142; crying it was "spyware" when it was nothing more than a few textures on billboards. Woohoo. If you're looking at the wallpaper, you aren't watching for the guys trying to cap your ass.)

The only reason I'm not getting ME immediately on PC is because I put in 40-50 hours on the 360 version and I'm too backlogged in games to start over on the PC. That my character is supposed to roll over to the sequels is a problem since I'm L50 on the 360 already. If there was a way to export my character, that'd be great, but it isn't happening. When this hits the bargain bin, I may give it a whirl to see how alien lez sex looks on the PC.:bouncy:[/quote]

To be fair the BF ads do at the very least tailor themselves to the gamers region. People could see that as a company trying to get a foot in the door. And some funny stuff did come from that.
 
[quote name='DirkBelig']I guess you haven't played any Valve games on the PC in the past several years. If you want to pirate it, then just effing steal it and quit bragging that you're striking a blow against The Man in the process. [/quote]

What the HELL are you talking about? I do not steal games, and if I did, obviously I wouldn't give a rat's ass what kind of DRM was on them. DRM hurts US. People who BUY GAMES.

The irony is that people like you, who loudly brag that they'd rather steal than go thru 5 seconds of activation, are the reason why publishers want to drown their games in stuff like this in the first place.

Again, what the HELL are you talking about? Who the hell was stealing games, let alone "loudly bragging" about stealing games?

If you were worried about Starforce gunking up your system, that's one thing; whining about activation is a cop-out and an excuse.

Once again, what the HELL are you talking about? "Activation" is not acceptable. It turns game purchases into nothing but a glorified rental. When I buy a game I want to OWN THE GAME, not be beholden to a third party to get to play it. I don't care about disc checks (if they're done reasonably so they'll run under future OSes, but activation is unreasonable.

(It's like the dopes who flipped out about in-game ads in BF2142; crying it was "spyware" when it was nothing more than a few textures on billboards. Woohoo. If you're looking at the wallpaper, you aren't watching for the guys trying to cap your ass.)

Actually it's nothing like that at all. That's a completely separate, unrelated issue. And I can see how people can complain about that since they're not giving you a break in the price for having ads.

[quote name='Chacrana']I think it's more of an issue of not wanting to be bound by the publisher's whims... I fucking hate the fact that Bioshock tries to lock me out of the game that I bought and only gives me a limited number of installs. I bought the legitimate game... but I still used a crack so I didn't have to put up with their bullshit. Hopefully it'll be nothing so obnoxious here.[/QUOTE]

And a lot of us skipped it entirely. On one forum I frequent not one person bought it because of the DRM crap.

[quote name='DirkBelig']How many simultaneous installs do people REALLY need? ... I'm sorry, but a lot of the self-righteous complaints really fail the smell test. Acting indignant that the publishers are imposing restrictions on their games rings false when it's obvious that what people are trying to do is freely pass around multiple copies of their games and resent that mechanisms are in place to prevent it.[/quote]

One typically, maybe two or three tops, but that's not the issue. You're attacking a straw man here. You're also very confused. People who steal games don't care whether they have activation or not, since obviously the game they're stealing doesn't have it. DRM only affects people who BUY games.
 
[quote name='V878']I'd bite on this but I'm not sure if my comp will even run this as specs aren't released yet. I played Bioshock and Gears on my comp so I'm hoping this one runs fine. Not too concerned about DRM so long as it isn't worse than Bioshock's. From what I can tell, the DRM in that game didn't cripple my comp at all so it was a non-issue for me.

Nice find OP.[/quote]

From Kotaku

Minimum System Requirements:
Operating System:
Windows XP or Vista
Processor:
2.4+GHZ Intel or 2.0+GHZ AMD
Memory:
1 Gigabyte Ram (XP)
2 Gigabyte Ram (Vista)
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 6 series(6800GT or better)
ATI 1300XT or better (X1550, X1600 Pro and HD2400 are below minimum system requirements)
Hard Drive Space:
12 Gigabytes
Sound Card:
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card and drivers

Recommended System Requirements:

Operating System:
Windows XP or Vista
Processor:
2.6+GHZ Intel or 2.4+GHZ AMD
Memory:
2 Gigabyte Ram
Video Card:
NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX or higher.
ATI X1800 XL series or higher
Hard Drive Space:
12 Gigabytes
Sound Card:
DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card and drivers - 5.1 sound card recommended
 
^Yeah saw that today. Requirements look pretty similar to Bioshock and Gears and seem very optimized. Great news.
 
didn't see this post xP

anyways, i'll be purchasing a copy at gamestop now that the DRM issue has been semi fixed (now it's like bioshock's system)
 
[quote name='xGunCrazyx']didn't see this post xP

anyways, i'll be purchasing a copy at gamestop now that the DRM issue has been semi fixed (now it's like bioshock's system)[/quote]

I have actually canceled my preorder upon hearing about the DRM. I have been out of the PC gaming loop for a while but recently got a new PC and was looking forward to this game but until the 3 limits on activations is removed I have no need to pay $40 for what is really a rental. What happened to buying a game and installing it as many times as you pleased. The game will still be pirated regardless of what DRM is implemented so why restrict those who pay for it? This really rubs me the wrong way.
 
[quote name='deliveryboy15']What happened to buying a game and installing it as many times as you pleased. [/quote]Nothing is preventing you from installing and reinstalling it as much as you want ON THE SAME PC. How many PCs do you need to simultaneously need to install it on that three concurrent installs aren't enough? Home, work, laptop - that's three; what else is needed? As I mentioned upthread, the people screaming the loudest about this are those who want to give their copy to everyone they've ever known. Mass Effect is a rental? Why? Because you can't give it to everyone? 50+ hours of entertainment isn't worth $40?

The phone-home-every-10-days DRM they initially announced was ridiculous and I posted on the Bioware forums just how stupid it was since it wouldn't stop pirates while punishing the paying customers. The revised DRM setup is reasonable, though, and much like Steam: Activate once upon install (or when modded), no DVD needed, up to three simultaneous installs for you mobile gamers.

Demanding unlimited installs is unreasonable and as more and more publishers decide to skip making PC versions because of whining crybabies who think that pirating is a good way to teach them a lesson - because they know it's because of their DRM stance and not that you're a cheap thief - I'm sure that the same crybabies will whine about the lack of PC games for them to.......what, buy?
 
being able to install a game as may times as I want is not unreasonable its the only thing I will accept. However I do not condone piracy for me its just a DONT BUY.

[quote name='DirkBelig']
Demanding unlimited installs is unreasonable and as more and more publishers decide to skip making PC versions because of whining crybabies who think that pirating is a good way to teach them a lesson - because they know it's because of their DRM stance and not that you're a cheap thief - I'm sure that the same crybabies will whine about the lack of PC games for them to.......what, buy?[/quote]
 
Why do you need unlimited installs? Hmmm? Why? What is being denied to you by this setup? They're allowing you to install it on three PCs simultaneously when many EULAs only allow you to install on ONE PC at a time, so what's the problem? Worried about not being able to reinstall it a fourth time on a primary computer after you've bought three new rigs? That's a valid concern and Bioware is saying that EA will make case-by-case decisions meaning we could be hosed down the line, but OTOH, it could mean nothing more than a phone call.

I have screenplay formatting software which allows me to run it on any PC with the CD in the drive or I can have up to three copies activated on separate computers so as to eliminate the need for the disc. When I uninstall a copy, it returns a token to my account, so I have it on my home PC activated, but on my work PC needing the disc. I removed it from my old laptop and installed it on my new one, so I have two tokens out and one in the bank. Would such a setup be acceptable to you guys for Mass Effect or is anything less than 50 installs going to satisify you and if not, why not?

In a perfect world, we'd never have to verify, activate, input serial numbers, have an internet connection, keep the disc in the drive, etc. But unless you pass by St. Peter on a daily basis, you've got to cope with some level of grief in no small part because too many punks believe that they are entitled to the fruit of others' labors for cheap like free. They will spend $1500 on a pimped out gaming rig and then cry poormouth that they're getting ripped off on games when it costs tens of millions to produce a AAA title. While GTA IV grossed $500 million in the first week, it cost over $100 million to make. Granted, it was as safe a bet for success as running a bar that offers free pizza and hookers to fuck with every drink purchase, but it still required cash to be laid out on the expectation of payment by customers.

So, unless someone cares to explain why Bioware is being unfair to you other than bellowing, It's my RIGHT to install this as many times as I want!!!!", spare us the inarticulate spoiled brat outrage.
 
DirkBelig,

If Bioware/EA institutes some sort of revocation tool, that would be great. But right now, even though I've seen countless people ask about it on their forums, there's been no mention on whether it's going to be done. So until I hear otherwise, my assumption is we get three installs and that's it. Which would have killed me with Knights of the Old Republic, because I've installed it on at least three different PCs over the years (I never get around to playing it a lot, so it moves from PC to newer PC as I upgrade).

On a side note, why BioShock doesn't do a revoke on uninstall I don't get. I've read through all the revocation tool documentation, and it seems like using the tool is the only way to get your license(s) removed from their license server. So good luck if you forgot to run the tool and that PC is no longer in your possession (since the revoke tool has to be run from the PC the game was installed on).

-HM
 
Don't worry Hollow, the crackers will deliver a fix within a week or two tops. So this DRM scheme is pretty meaningless. Paying customers are once again punished while pirates receive superior versions. And excuse me, Dirk, if I don't want to deal with the idiots over at EA customer support if I want to install the game a fourth or fifth time in the future. Stardock does just fine sans DRM; it's proof enough that DRM schemes are nothing but PITAs. Oh ya, did I mention the pirates will circumvent the system anyway?

ps: SecuROM is malware. While the constant online validations are going away, users still have to deal with Sony's difficult-to-remove sh*tware clogging their hard drives.
 
[quote name='DirkBelig']How many simultaneous installs do people REALLY need? Seriously. Are you playing a single-player ONLY game on 10 PCs or are you trying to hook up all your friends and family? Hmmm? You're copying your save games on a key drive from each PC, right? :roll:

Company of Heroes does it right by not requiring the CD to be in the drive to play. Stardock does it right by making updates and online play only available to authenticated keyholders. Even the evil Steam allows you to skip CDs and do multiple installs as long as you aren't trying to run them all at the same time, but they lock your games to your account and require the same authentication that supposedly will be a deal-breaker for Mass Effect.

I'm sorry, but a lot of the self-righteous complaints really fail the smell test. Acting indignant that the publishers are imposing restrictions on their games rings false when it's obvious that what people are trying to do is freely pass around multiple copies of their games and resent that mechanisms are in place to prevent it. Since they can't make 50 extras copies, they use this as justification for their stealing the first one! "I'll show those greedy fuckers who won't let me make 50 copies! Who cares if they spent years and millions developing the game, I WANT WHAT I WANT!!!"

Spare me. As more and more smug PC gamers get their rebellion on by jacking the PC versions of games, watch more and more developers stop bothering with making PC versions in favor of the more secure and lucrative console market. Epic has all but forsaken PC gamers with UT3's half-assed PC version and with Gears of War 2 a sure-fire five-million-copy seller, why not concentrate on the market that's not looking to gank them as a protest?

Life has all sorts of restrictions on it: You can't get drunk and drive at 100mph on the wrong side of the road; as hot as that 14-year-old Lolita may be, you can't fuck her; and as much as you want to, sometimes you can't install a game on 10 PCs at once. Get over yourselves and pay your 40 bucks and have fun. Otherwise, "obtain" it however you want, but keep it to yourself. You're not striking a blow for PC gamers; you're killing off the future of PC games.[/quote]

What's that I smell? Is it... Whiny pedo?

Also, dude, citing GTAIV as a Triple-A game? Whatever, man.
 
[quote name='DirkBelig']Why do you need unlimited installs? Hmmm? Why? What is being denied to you by this setup? They're allowing you to install it on three PCs simultaneously when many EULAs only allow you to install on ONE PC at a time, so what's the problem? Worried about not being able to reinstall it a fourth time on a primary computer after you've bought three new rigs? That's a valid concern and Bioware is saying that EA will make case-by-case decisions meaning we could be hosed down the line, but OTOH, it could mean nothing more than a phone call.[/QUOTE]

It could also mean that in an indefinite amount of time (10 years? 5 years? 2 years? Who knows), you will no longer be capable of installing your game at all or that server and connection problems mean you won't be able to play games which you legally purchased. Also, I don't think you're taking upgrades and reformats into account when you consider how many installs you'll need, there are some games that I've reinstalled a dozen times for various reasons. This whole system has essentially brought the issue of publisher instability to the market of single-player games. At least before, a company shutting down servers only affected MMORPG players and online matchmaking connections.

Honestly, the whining about how "you don't need that many installs!" or "you shouldn't hate DRM!" are far more annoying and pointless than the worries about these authentication systems. At least the complaints made against restrictive DRM have a legitimate purpose...why are you complaining about people that bring up reasonable complaints about something else?
 
Because as a customer I should not need to ask for permission to reinstall a game after I reformat. Mass Effect will not revoke the token on uninstall. Also I am not showing outrage I just saying I won't support it. To me it’s a bad deal to pay money and have a rootkit installed on my machine. So before you call people spoiled brats I suggest you learn to be more articulate and less combative.

[quote name='DirkBelig']Why do you need unlimited installs? Hmmm? Why? What is being denied to you by this setup? They're allowing you to install it on three PCs simultaneously when many EULAs only allow you to install on ONE PC at a time, so what's the problem? Worried about not being able to reinstall it a fourth time on a primary computer after you've bought three new rigs? That's a valid concern and Bioware is saying that EA will make case-by-case decisions meaning we could be hosed down the line, but OTOH, it could mean nothing more than a phone call.

I have screenplay formatting software which allows me to run it on any PC with the CD in the drive or I can have up to three copies activated on separate computers so as to eliminate the need for the disc. When I uninstall a copy, it returns a token to my account, so I have it on my home PC activated, but on my work PC needing the disc. I removed it from my old laptop and installed it on my new one, so I have two tokens out and one in the bank. Would such a setup be acceptable to you guys for Mass Effect or is anything less than 50 installs going to satisify you and if not, why not?

In a perfect world, we'd never have to verify, activate, input serial numbers, have an internet connection, keep the disc in the drive, etc. But unless you pass by St. Peter on a daily basis, you've got to cope with some level of grief in no small part because too many punks believe that they are entitled to the fruit of others' labors for cheap like free. They will spend $1500 on a pimped out gaming rig and then cry poormouth that they're getting ripped off on games when it costs tens of millions to produce a AAA title. While GTA IV grossed $500 million in the first week, it cost over $100 million to make. Granted, it was as safe a bet for success as running a bar that offers free pizza and hookers to fuck with every drink purchase, but it still required cash to be laid out on the expectation of payment by customers.

So, unless someone cares to explain why Bioware is being unfair to you other than bellowing, It's my RIGHT to install this as many times as I want!!!!", spare us the inarticulate spoiled brat outrage.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Hollow Man']

So until I hear otherwise, my assumption is we get three installs and that's it. Which would have killed me with Knights of the Old Republic, because I've installed it on at least three different PCs over the years
[/quote]

I'll have to agree here...this is the deal killler. Not just upgrading, but mobo replacements (ok, its an excuse to upgrade, but its not intentional). Come on, I've gone through countless mobos through the years....and my classic games like KOTOR can be installed over and over...since I bought the game. Mass Effect will have to wait until someone with common sense fixes this.
 
Serik, while yes, I imagine that someone will come out with something to circumvent this, if I want to play release week, I'm pretty much stuck with it. And while I definitely don't like it, I can live with the concept of getting online to register the game. But ONLY if when I remove the game from my PC if I can also remove the license from the license server.

If anyone is watching those monstrosity of threads on the official Bioware forums, and finds out what Bioware is going to do about this, please paste it here. I have tried to keep up, but those threads multiply at an astonishing rate.

-HM
 
LOL @ butthurting DirkBelig

I'll be playing with my pirated version, and paying customers like you will end up suffering from MY decision. And you know what's funny? My version of the game will actually be superior to yours.

Stop having your lip glued to the developers' asses. Why can't you realize you're actually justifying them hurting you? pirates like me actually never got hurt by all these DRM stuff lol.
 
[quote name='Big Wang']LOL @ butthurting DirkBelig

I'll be playing with my pirated version, and paying customers like you will end up suffering from MY decision. And you know what's funny? My version of the game will actually be superior to yours.

Stop having your lip glued to the developers' asses. Why can't you realize you're actually justifying them hurting you? pirates like me actually never got hurt by all these DRM stuff lol.[/QUOTE]

This is the obvious reality. DRM doesn't affect people who steal, only people who BUY games. Valve's lost countless sales from me as I skip release after release. I just rented the 360 Bioshock instead of buying the PC one, ditto for Mass Effect now. All lost sales because of "activation". And not one person who was going to steal those games was prevented. Probably a lot of people see this mess and just steal it instead of buying it-NOT something I will do or I'd suggest doing. It wouldn't surprise me at all if "activation" costs tens if not hundreds of thousands of sales.

There's plenty of other games we can spend our money on that don't require us to resort to theft, or bending over for a megacorp.
 
HM,

Ya, it's utterly pathetic the number of cracks and third-party fixes I've had to download over the years just to get my PC games to work correctly. I would've totally bought Bioshock for the PC, but DRM issues made it a no-go (and lo and behold, it's still being pirated!)

Personally, I don't want a server keeping track of many installs I have and revoking my privileges if I surpass their arbitrary installation number. That's just added hassle, especially if the server goes away in a few years.
 
[quote name='DirkBelig']Why do you need unlimited installs? Hmmm? Why? What is being denied to you by this setup? They're allowing you to install it on three PCs simultaneously when many EULAs only allow you to install on ONE PC at a time, so what's the problem? Worried about not being able to reinstall it a fourth time on a primary computer after you've bought three new rigs?[/quote]
You can install it on 3 different PC's LIFETIME. So, in say 5-10 years or more, I'm sure you'll have used up your 3 install limit. Want to play it in 20 years on your PC in that era (if it'll actually work on that PC)? Yeah, well, good luck -- you ran your limit. Too bad.

After you've installed the game THREE times over ANY single period of time, you would have to get a brand new copy of the game -- and it'll likely be from a retailer or EA directly ONLY. See, this would give 2nd-hand PC game selling places w/ lots of users (such as EBay, fo example) absolutely no reason for anyone to actually buy a game from a PC game owner over there, since nobody probably wants a "used copy" that has likely already used up its 3 installs -- not unless they want the original contents of the disc and probably are planning on running a crack of the game (unless EA releases a patch to remove the install count limit, of course).

The only good thing about the limit is probably that on the up-side, this could also make it likely for EA to keep this game, numerous years later, possibly STILL in print.

This could all change if they eventually allow for revokes in your install count a la Bioshock, or they remove install limit entirely (making it unlimited installs), or remove the DRM entirely in a patch.

Oh, by the way -- nobody yet knows what kind of hardware changes constitute a usage of an install. Yes, change in hardware on the same PC will use up an install, BTW.

I have installed Planescape: Torment in 2 PC's in my lifetime. Oh, so, say it did have the same protection as MEPC will have. if I do install it on my next one, that'd be it for PS:T. Actually, I have modified hardware in my current PC and my PC before that a few times (RAM, video card, and adding a 2nd hard drive), so I probably would've used up all my install limits some time ago. Plus, oh yeah -- Black Isle's out of business. I doubt their servers would be up, these days -- for online verification and whatnot.

That's a valid concern and Bioware is saying that EA will make case-by-case decisions meaning we could be hosed down the line, but OTOH, it could mean nothing more than a phone call.
For some countries outside of the USA, a call to EA's Tech Support is a TOLL call.

In a perfect world, we'd never have to verify, activate, input serial numbers, have an internet connection, keep the disc in the drive, etc. But unless you pass by St. Peter on a daily basis, you've got to cope with some level of grief in no small part because too many punks believe that they are entitled to the fruit of others' labors for cheap like free. They will spend $1500 on a pimped out gaming rig and then cry poormouth that they're getting ripped off on games when it costs tens of millions to produce a AAA title.
They could always charge $60 for a PC game instead of $50. Some of us might not mind ponying up, if they're going to use copy protection that doesn't make the game feel like it's more or less just a rental.

While GTA IV grossed $500 million in the first week, it cost over $100 million to make. Granted, it was as safe a bet for success as running a bar that offers free pizza and hookers to fuck with every drink purchase, but it still required cash to be laid out on the expectation of payment by customers.
While the console version of GTA4 doesn't require a Net connection to play.
Oh, right -- Mass Effect X360 doesn't either.

Oh, but Mass Effect PC version does.

So, unless someone cares to explain why Bioware is being unfair to you other than bellowing, It's my RIGHT to install this as many times as I want!!!!", spare us the inarticulate spoiled brat outrage.
Personally, I'd even have NO PROBLEM w/ only being allowed to run ONE COPY of the game on ANY PC at once for an unlimited time amount -- like Steam does. Steam doesn't care if I'm on PC #1, PC #2, PC #500 -- it cares that I ain't running more than one copy of the game at once. Steam only cares that my unique game account is the only one running the game period.

So, for example -- I have Half-Life 2. Say I got it loaded on 4 different PC's. But, I run it on any of those one PC's; let's for the sake of things, say I want to run it on PC#1. Well, that's the only PC I'll be able to run it on. Try running it on another PC I have -- for sake of argument, let's call it PC#2 is the PC I want to boot up with it -- I'd probably have to shut it off on PC#1. That makes a lot more sense to me than this 3 install lifetime crap.
 
Actually, with Half-Life 2, you can simply put Steam in offline mode on all those PCs, and then you can run HL2 on all of them at the same time.

-HM
 
[quote name='Hollow Man']Actually, with Half-Life 2, you can simply put Steam in offline mode on all those PCs, and then you can run HL2 on all of them at the same time.

-HM[/QUOTE]

Good point.

Then instead of HL2 as my example, pick a Steam game that is MP-Only, which would require Steam's "online mode' then. :p
 
[quote name='Serik']HM,

Ya, it's utterly pathetic the number of cracks and third-party fixes I've had to download over the years just to get my PC games to work correctly. I would've totally bought Bioshock for the PC, but DRM issues made it a no-go (and lo and behold, it's still being pirated!)

Personally, I don't want a server keeping track of many installs I have and revoking my privileges if I surpass their arbitrary installation number. That's just added hassle, especially if the server goes away in a few years.[/QUOTE]

And these servers will go away. I can't count the number of times that even PATCH servers have been taken down-often for fairly recent games I'm just getting to. Then you look at even huge companies like Google and Microsoft killing off "activation" servers for various DRMed up products they've had, and there's no question that NONE of these "activation" products are really yours, really safe.

I'm not willing to do Steam either, although it looks downright tame compared with this SecuROM crap. I liked when SecuROM was just a disc check. I've got no problem with disc checks...except that they seem to be done with drivers, which can cause issues or break in future OS versions. I'd even be okay with a USB dongle you plug in to run it or something. Just give *ME* control over it so I actually own the game I bought.

I'm not going to get to play Penny Arcade Adventures either :bomb: ...although I suspect it might eventually get released on disc for a console, which is where I'd have to play it I guess.
 
[quote name='Big Wang']LOL @ butthurting DirkBelig

I'll be playing with my pirated version, and paying customers like you will end up suffering from MY decision. And you know what's funny? My version of the game will actually be superior to yours.

Stop having your lip glued to the developers' asses. Why can't you realize you're actually justifying them hurting you? pirates like me actually never got hurt by all these DRM stuff lol.[/QUOTE]

I normally try to support games like this that deserve the support but in a case like this...
 
Does this apply to pre-ordering in-store aswell?

I dropped the money on it a week ago at a nearby Gamestop, but the guy in there said it kept ringing up as $50 for it despite my insistance of the $10 off. I only gave him $40, but he said I would need to bring in some sort've proof (wat).
 
I don't think theres a Bioware game I haven't gotten the first week of release since Baldurs Gate 1 released on PC. Crazy.

Great deal. Thanks OP.
 
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