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Well, everyone knew the Mavs wanted to trade Walker, and it looks like they've struck a deal.

Antoine Heading To Hawks
August 3, 2004
Call it win one, lose one for the Knicks.
While Jamal Crawford is expected to join the Knicks as soon as today in a trade with the Bulls, it looks like Isiah Thomas will lose out on another piece he'd hope to bring to the Garden — Antoine Walker.
That's because Walker will be traded tomorrow from the Mavs to the Hawks for Jason Terry and Alan Henderson, a league source revealed.
Walker, a forward, never really fit in during his one year with the Mavs, and was hoping for a deal to either the Sixers (where he'd have been reunited with ex-Celtic coach Jim O'Brien) or the Knicks.
Walker is owed $14.625M in the final year of his contract. Terry, a guard, has $7.5M and $6.6M left over two years, while Henderson, an injury-prone forward, is owed $8.2M for one year.

—Peter Vecsey

Then, here's another story.

Look for the Mavs to make a push for disgruntled New Jersey Nets star Jason Kidd. While the Nets seem to be in a cost-cutting mode, moving Kidd's $90 million contract over the next 5 years would be optimal to the Mavs who can give up recently acquired Calvin Booth (three years remaining, $19 million), Jerry Stackhouse (three years, $22.5 million), Tariq Abdul-Wahad (three years, $22 million), Tony Delk (two years, $6.5 million) and Christian Laettner (one year, $6.2 million).
Mavs president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson seems pretty interested in the idea as well, as the Mavs have gone after Shaq earlier and remain in the Vince Carter rumors.
"All the major names bandied about have some interest," Nelson said. "We have an interest in getting better defensively, making significant upgrades to our roster and giving our young group enough to make a run in the playoffs."
Nelson also adds that players acquired in trades this summer, such as Stackhouse, Laettner and Booth, plus some already on the roster help make blockbuster deals possible.
"These base hits put you in position to hit a grand slam," Nelson said. "There's no such thing as a grand slam until the bases are loaded. If you do the right thing consistently with smaller moves, it makes it easier to do bigger moves.
"Smaller moves also protect against something unforeseen happening, like Nash leaving. If we didn't trade [Antawn] Jamison, we wouldn't have had Devin Harris."

Dallas has too many people with guaranteed contracts right now, so they are going to have to trade a helluva alot of people anyway. If Dallas did this they'd have another great team but still have no center.

This would be our lineup:

PG: Jason Kidd
SG: Jason Terry
PF: Dirk Nowitzski
SF: Michael Finley
C: Shawn Bradley

Bench
PG: Devin Harris, Avery Johnson
SG: Marquis Daniels
PF: Eduardo Najera, Alan Henderson
SF: Josh Howard
C: Didier Ilunga-Mbenga, Pavel Podkolzin

With that line up, Dallas would have a legitimate Big Four with TONS of talent coming off the bench. Harris is the future at point with Daniels and Howard coming off great seasons. I can see our bench keeping up with our starting lineup offense-wise.

Plus Jason Terry can play some pretty good defense and Kidd isn't as much a liability on defense like Nash was, and we all know that we need more D.
 
[quote name='Supernothing']Poor decisions all the way around the way I see it.[/quote]

Please explain to me how trading a bunch of dead weight for two great players are poor decisions.

If the Kidd trade went through, we'd be getting rid of several dead contracts in exchange for a huge contract that will actually be earned in Kidd.

If the Mavs did this, they'd actually be able to put together a good team despite losing Nash and avoiding a disastrous off season.
 
Okay, some new details from the Terry trade have just emerged.

We throw in Tony Delk and we get the Hawks' first rounder next year. With the Hawks always playing bad, that almost certainly guarantees us a lotter pick!
 
Not a bad lineup, but it will be their first year together which could lead to some hard times.

A few other problems I see with this potential team:

Terry can play decent defense on PGs and in the passing lanes if I remember correctly, but I think he will be in trouble with guards that can post up unless they move Kidd over on D to the 2 in those situations.

Dirk again will be a defensive liability at the PF spot. Especially in the West.

This lineup gives them less of a post presence than last year.

The center spot looks like a joke, but admittedly, I don't know much about their backups (but the fact that Bradley would start says something about them. :) )

I would almost like to see Daniels start with that team and bring Terry off the bench as a sixth man. Daniels and Howard had good years last year, but with the second team in there, can either carry the offense? I am not sure, but Terry would be able to.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']Okay, some new details from the Terry trade have just emerged.

We throw in Tony Delk and we get the Hawks' first rounder next year. With the Hawks always playing bad, that almost certainly guarantees us a lotter pick![/quote]

any details if this pick is protected..cause Delk is certainly not worth a lottery pick
 
I think the Mavs would have to throw in some draft picks (including the one they just got from the Hawks) to even get Jersey listening to a trade. Kidd is coming off of major knee surgery so there are no guarantees with how he is going to be able to perform either.
 
Well, since we picked up that extra first rounder, we should be able to keep Calvin Booth, who played center pretty good for us a couple years back. If we kept him, he'd be the starter most likely.
 
Or we could forget Kidd altogether and go after a big man, like Dampier. That would be better for the team, IMO. If we got Dampier and gave up a few scrubs like Stackhouse and Laettner, that might work.

Our lineup would be:

PG: Jason Terry
SG: Marquis Daniels
PF: Dirk Nowitzski
SF: Michael Finley
C: Erick Dampier

Bench
PG: Devin Harris, Avery Johnson
PF: Eduardo Najera, Alan Henderson
SF: Josh Howard
C: Shawn Bradley, Didier Ilunga-Mbenga, Pavel Podkolzin

I think that's a much more well-rounded team. There are really no gaping holes in the starting lineup, and we would have a lot of good, young talent coming off the bench.
 
I love this trade. I was afraid Dallas would trade key pieces away for Jason Kidd, who I think wouldn't fit well in Dallas cuz he can't shoot and he's bit of a risk now with the knee surgery. We get Philadelphia's pick that Atl. had and I heard it's lottery-protected.

The reason I like Jason Terry is he could keep the Mavs' fast pace style up since he is very quick and a pretty good shooter like Nash. Finally I'm just glad we didn't give up our young prospect Josh Howard, since his name has been popping up in all of these trade rumors, and I think he could be great and love to see the Mavs keep him.
 
[quote name='ksuwild25']I love this trade. I was afraid Dallas would trade key pieces away for Jason Kidd, who I think wouldn't fit well in Dallas cuz he can't shoot and he's bit of a risk now with the knee surgery. We get Philadelphia's pick that Atl. had and I heard it's lottery-protected.

The reason I like Jason Terry is he could keep the Mavs' fast pace style up since he is very quick and a pretty good shooter like Nash. Finally I'm just glad we didn't give up our young prospect Josh Howard, since his name has been popping up in all of these trade rumors, and I think he could be great and love to see the Mavs keep him.[/quote]

Very true, plus we get Henderson who also has an expiring contract.

Terry's contract is up in two years, so that will give Harris plenty of time to mature without having to worry about carrying the team on his shoulders.

Like I said before, I think now is the best time to pursue Dampier. After that though, I would call it quits unless another great deal came our way.

Honestly, what was Atlanta thinking in this deal? They get two pretty crappy players in exchange for a damn good guard, an expiring contract and a first rounder. Highway robbery.

ksuwild25, do you have a Mav's forum that you go to? I just found www.mavsforum.com. It's not very big, but there are a few people active there.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend'][quote name='Machine']I'm glad I'm a Pistons fan.[/quote]

You and me both[/quote]

Well, it's good that you guys had your year, but there is only Detroit, Indiana and Miami who are playoff worthy when you have Dallas, Sacramento, San Antonio, Houston, Memphis, Utah, Phoenix, Minnesota, Denver and L.A. in the West. Plus, most of the Western teams have significantly upgraded themselves and took a lot of great players out of the East.

So I don't think we'll be seeing another Eastern team win the championship for at least a few years.
 
I like this trade. I would also like to trade for Jason Kidd. He's a proven winner and leader. Dallas will be looking for a leader after Nash's departure. I think we'll be ok at center with Booth...now that Shaq is in the East. Bradley is 6 fouls, and possibly 6 blocks so there is some upside to him.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='Zenithian Legend'][quote name='Machine']I'm glad I'm a Pistons fan.[/quote]

You and me both[/quote]

Well, it's good that you guys had your year, but there is only Detroit, Indiana and Miami who are playoff worthy when you have Dallas, Sacramento, San Antonio, Houston, Memphis, Utah, Phoenix, Minnesota, Denver and L.A. in the West. Plus, most of the Western teams have significantly upgraded themselves and took a lot of great players out of the East.

So I don't think we'll be seeing another Eastern team win the championship for at least a few years.[/quote]

Utah, Memphis and Phoenix are a bit of a stretch. I don't think they are any better than any of the middle Eastern Conference teams like Milwauakee, New Jersey or New Orleans.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction']
Well, it's good that you guys had your year, but there is only Detroit, Indiana and Miami who are playoff worthy when you have Dallas, Sacramento, San Antonio, Houston, Memphis, Utah, Phoenix, Minnesota, Denver and L.A. in the West. Plus, most of the Western teams have significantly upgraded themselves and took a lot of great players out of the East.

So I don't think we'll be seeing another Eastern team win the championship for at least a few years.[/quote]

You're kidding right? Oh well such is the way most people thought last year, and then the finals came and like most people predicted they only lasted 5 games, only it was the Pistons dominating LA, instead of the other way around. While all of those WC teams you listed are playoff worthy only about half of them are finals worthy, well actually Utah isn't really playoff worthy (especially not over New Orleans), but maybe Jerry Sloan will find a way. True the east only has 3 good teams (as usual), but that's only going to make it easier for Detroit to get to the finals and therefore easier to repeat. The Pistons also slightly upgraded their roster by bringing Carlos Delfino over from Argentina.
 
Pistons let Okur go because they didn't really need him BUT they picked up McDyess and Delfino will play this year. Basically, the NBA champs will be better next season. Because the unit is essentially unchanged, there are no concerns about team chemistry either. I'd say they are early favorites to repeat.
 
[quote name='johnnyoski']
Utah, Memphis and Phoenix are a bit of a stretch. I don't think they are any better than any of the middle Eastern Conference teams like Milwauakee, New Jersey or New Orleans.[/quote]

New Orleans is in the west now, and Phoenix is probably the best team in the pacific division now. They added a backcourt this offseason signing Quentin Richardson and Steve Nash, while losing nothing. But, I must agree New Jersey, Milwaukee, Cleveland and a healthy New York are as good as Utah, New Orleans, and Memphis at the moment.
 
New York is not close to any of those teams. They barely made the playoffs last year and they were in the east. If they played out west they would have a 25 in season

Jerry Sloan knows how to coach. He lost his wife last year and they were still better than everyone predicted. Hubie has his team running good, and Mashburn should be healthy
 
Phoenix best in Pacific? Sounds a bit iffy to me.

As for OP, Dampier's probably going to NY, so they are still weak up front as well as defensively. I don't think Mavs are going to gain any ground unless they get rid of Nelson. How many more Bradleys/Podkolzine types is he going to recruit before he finds out that freakishly tall stiff white guys are useless? I'm surprised he didn't pick up Millicic (yet).

I'm a fan of Terry's game though, but I don't think he will fit in Dallas. They need a pass-first PG like Nash, but considering there aren't too many in the league much less free agents, it was a good trade. However I think he'll be gone as soon as his contract expires.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']New Orleans is in the west now[/quote]

Damn, how could I forget about those Charlotte Bobcats?!?!
 
[quote name='magilacudy']I'm a fan of Terry's game though, but I don't think he will fit in Dallas. They need a pass-first PG like Nash, but considering there aren't too many in the league much less free agents, it was a good trade. However I think he'll be gone as soon as his contract expires.[/quote] That's the plan. Terry should be good enough until Devin Harris gets better and learns how the NBA is. They won't need Terry as much once Harris matures.
 
Dallas made it deep into the Western Conferenece finals due to Nick Van Exel. A shooting point guard is needed to help spread out the defense when the team is much bigger (like Tony Parker in games 1 and 2 last year )
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend'][quote name='Grave_Addiction']
Well, it's good that you guys had your year, but there is only Detroit, Indiana and Miami who are playoff worthy when you have Dallas, Sacramento, San Antonio, Houston, Memphis, Utah, Phoenix, Minnesota, Denver and L.A. in the West. Plus, most of the Western teams have significantly upgraded themselves and took a lot of great players out of the East.

So I don't think we'll be seeing another Eastern team win the championship for at least a few years.[/quote]

You're kidding right? Oh well such is the way most people thought last year, and then the finals came and like most people predicted they only lasted 5 games, only it was the Pistons dominating LA, instead of the other way around. While all of those WC teams you listed are playoff worthy only about half of them are finals worthy, well actually Utah isn't really playoff worthy (especially not over New Orleans), but maybe Jerry Sloan will find a way. True the east only has 3 good teams (as usual), but that's only going to make it easier for Detroit to get to the finals and therefore easier to repeat. The Pistons also slightly upgraded their roster by bringing Carlos Delfino over from Argentina.[/quote]

They also signed Mcdyess.
 
Well ya, but that's really just to replace Okur, Delfino is where the team should improve. As well as, all the experience they've gained from winning a championship. This will also be the Pistons first full year with Rasheed. I'm excited.

As for Phoenix, I think they'll give the Kings a good run for the top spot in the Pacific. Since I'm feeling frisky I'll toss out my projected division standings with the current rosters:

EAST
North Atlantic
1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Raptors
4. Sixers
5. Celtics

Central
1. Pistons
2. Pacers
3. Cavs
4. Bucks
5. Bulls

South Atlantic
1. Heat
2. Magic
3. Wizards
4. Hawks
5. Bobcats

WEST
Northwest
1. Timberwolves
2. Nuggets
3. Blazers
4. Jazz
5. Sonics

Southwest
1. Spurs
2. Rockets
3. Mavericks (if they get Kidd & Terry move em up)
4. Grizzlies
5. Hornets

Pacific
1. Kings
2. Suns
3. Lakers
4. Clippers
5. Warriors
 
Ya know that would make more sense at the moment, plus NY hasn't signed Crawford for sure yet. I dunno I just want to see the Knicks play the Pistons and get crushed to get revenge for the 1992 playoffs.
 
EAST
North Atlantic
1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Raptors
4. Sixers
5. Celtics

Central
1. Pistons
2. Pacers
3. Cavs (Cavs could move up a spot with their new additions)
4. Bucks
5. Bulls

South Atlantic
1. Heat
2. Magic
3. Wizards
4. Hawks
5. Bobcats

WEST
Northwest
1. Timberwolves
2. Nuggets
3. Blazers
4. Jazz
5. Sonics

Southwest
1. Spurs
2. Mavericks
3. Grizzlies
4. Rockets (I'm kind of skeptical on the T-Mac/Yao tandem)
5. Hornets

Pacific
1. Kings
2. Suns
3. Lakers
4. Warriors
5. Clippers

Overall I agree with most of your choices, and this should definitely be an interesting year.
 
A lot of em could really shuffle slightly, like the bottom teams North Atlantic and Northwest, depends on injuries. I'm hoping that all the chaos opens the door for a Piston repeat.
 
I wish Dallas would take back Raef Lafrentz... It helps to clear out some salary when you're going to tank it for a few years.

Thanks a lot Danny Ainge. You wouldn't even let us be mediocre for a little while longer.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I wish Dallas would take back Raef Lafrentz... It helps to clear out some salary when you're going to tank it for a few years.

Thanks a lot Danny Ainge. You wouldn't even let us be mediocre for a little while longer.[/quote]

Yeah, that was a big suprise to me when they picked up Raef. New York has had a bit of history taking Dallas' bad contracts. Does Howard Eisley ring any bells?
 
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