May 1 immigrant boycott aims to 'close' cities

[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']When they don't know as much spelling/grammar/math as well as the rest of the class due to a language barrier, then yes it is a big deal. If you don't believe me ask a teacher if a student that is already behind needs all the time in the classroom they can get, and I can promise you they will agree with me. The odd thing here is, a good number of Latino families make the education of their kids a pretty high priority so this makes even less sense IMO. I'll ask you what good it does to pull them out even if only for a day?

More to the point though, I wasn't making an argument against protesting in general, agreeing or disagreeing with this protest or whatever point you where thinking I was making apparently. I'd also be willing to bet alot of the kids not in school right now are not at any protest so much as they are probably doing whatever they feel like doing. I know alot of kids aren't in school in my area now, but as far as I know the only schedule and large protest isn't happening til about 6 pm tonite. At any rate, I was simply making a point that is was stupid for parents to allow their kids to miss school because I don't think having an 9 year old even at a protest will the the help cause or the kid as much as even just a day of education will.[/quote]

This is obviously dependent on the student.. I worked in a group home setting for about two years (educational for "deviant" students.. about 95% were Latino as there is a very large Latino population in the Santa Cruz, CA area).

Anyway, like I said, you can argue this. of course, but shoot, when I was in high school and from the examples of what I've seen most of the days in school a lot of the kids just dick around and are more interested in socializing, doodling in their notebook or daydreaming. I'm not trying to bash those few awesome teachers or insinuate that all students are apathetic but be realistic.

I'm just saying this isn't like PhD level stuff here. One day isn't going to take you out of the game at all... at the very least you can catch up. If you're too retarded to catch up from one day, then you have special needs and shouldn't be protesting in the first place because you'd probably bump your head on something. If you believe in the protest, I think it's perfectly acceptable to ditch work/school to make a point -- making a point can be simply being with people that are sharing your viewpoint and lending support to one another.
 
[quote name='coltyhuxx']I can't move to Europe and just start working... or get on the dole (well, perhaps medical services)... If I did sneak in, they, or any country would be fully within their right to call me an "illegal"... that's just common sense.[/QUOTE]
If you look at most countries, its easier for their citizens to emigrate here than it would be for an American to emigrate there. What does that say about our policies?

[quote name='Kayden']It really needs to be all or none. Say you've got a family of 7 that wants to immigrate. Only the oldest son speaks English. Say he gets a low paying dangerous factory job and winds up dying. Now this family has no means of interaction or a way to support themselves. It gets worse if you zoom out a bit. Say you get 60 families of 5. Thats 300 people, only 60 of which are able to interact in American society. The other 240 lump together and form a miniMexico. Thats not neccisarily bad, but its totally against the entire purpose of immigrating-- that being integrating into a new society. It's not wrong for them to want to remember who they are as a people, but if you let it grow enough you get situations like the one in France. The 'natives' begin presuring a large foreign cell to integrate. The immigrants start lashishing out because they're 'being repressed'. Honestly, how are you a fourth generation immigrant and not know the native language? Its just asinine![/QUOTE]
I would certainly prefer that more than one person speaks English. But, I would require that the 'head of household' would speak English, and have a skill that would get them a decent job, something more than a minimum wage factory job. We don't need more unskilled workers, we have tons and tons of people that have been laid off from manufacturing, steel, textiles, etc and the 'semiskilled' jobs, that you could reasonably support your family on if you were willing to work hard, that only require a highschool diploma, are disappearing fast.
 
You can't get medical care in Canada until you've lived and worked there 90 days.

As for the moderate skill/hard jobs, they aren't disapearing. They're just being taken (as I believe you already said) by illegals willing to do them for less.

[quote name='dafoomie']If you look at most countries, its easier for their citizens to emigrate here than it would be for an American to emigrate there. What does that say about our policies?


I would certainly prefer that more than one person speaks English. But, I would require that the 'head of household' would speak English, and have a skill that would get them a decent job, something more than a minimum wage factory job. We don't need more unskilled workers, we have tons and tons of people that have been laid off from manufacturing, steel, textiles, etc and the 'semiskilled' jobs, that you could reasonably support your family on if you were willing to work hard, that only require a highschool diploma, are disappearing fast.[/quote]
 
[quote name='dafoomie']You have to be able to function within our society. Part of that entails speaking English. I wouldn't require it of every member of the family, or the children since they can learn it here, but there needs to be someone in the family that has the means to provide for their family and function within our society. That requires speaking English. Its a matter of practicality. If you want to permanantly move to Russia, speak Russian. If its China, speak Chinese. I wouldn't expect them to necessarily be fluent, good enough to get by would be fine. Its just common sense that you'd at least make some attempt at learning the language of the country you seek to move to.

To paraphrase JFK, ask not what America can do for you, ask what you can do for America. Having more able and productive members of society is a benefit to the country. Having more unskilled, uneducated people that lack the ability to communicate with most of the country, does not benefit the country.

Before anyone says that this is a racist policy against Mexicans, its much easier for a Spanish speaker to learn English than it would be for someone who speaks a completely unrelated language, like Chinese, Korean, or Swahili.[/QUOTE]

Ahh, good point. Weird observation on my school day today. Pretty much everybody showed up for each and every one of my ap/honors classes while the "average" classes saw about half of the students being absent.
 
So... all the Mexicans here cut themselves out of our lives while all the Mexicans elsewhere cut us out of their lives... And this is supposed to make us miss them? Honestly, can someone tell me what great contributions illegal mexicans have made to the US? Besides plunging wages for labor jobs into the toilet and milking social aide programs, what have they done for this country?

Not in a hateful biggot way, but honestly. Are we supposed to believe they've enriched our culture by refusing to embrace it?


[quote name='Metal Boss']They don't even know what they are protesting anymore...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060501/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_us_boycott;_ylt=AhMjLFd0NL916xDTvZyOrlms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-



I love the irony.


I can't believe 500+ people are protesting this instead of the war, if anything it seems like a dupe to take attention off the war...[/quote]
 
[quote name='Kayden']What constitutes 'genuinely' absent? Should they be in trouble if they're sick? No. Should they be in trouble if they're skipping school? Yes.

I don't know how many different ways you need the same thing said. An unexcused absence... isn't excusable! If they know the policy is they can't graduate if they're unexcused that day then they damn well better not skip, whether it'd be from support or habitual skipping. If you're ACTUALLY sick that day, you'd most likely have a parent call the school and say you're sick-thusly, making it an EXCUSED absence.

I didn't say all mexicans not in school should be expelled/punished/etc. What I said was if someone is Mexican/hispanic and has an UNEXCUSED absence, its fairly obvious why they were gone.[/quote]

That the issue though. The deciding factor of the punishment is based on ethnicity. If an Irish kid has an unexcused absence then he gets a lesser punishment than the kid from el salvador, even though they committed the same violation.

If it's a blanket punishment then I think it's unfair, but making the punishment differ based on ethnicity would be illegal.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']That the issue though. The deciding factor of the punishment is based on ethnicity. If an Irish kid has an unexcused absence then he gets a lesser punishment than the kid from el salvador, even though they committed the same violation.

If it's a blanket punishment then I think it's unfair, but making the punishment differ based on ethnicity would be illegal.[/quote]


No its not... atleast, I don't think so. I'm taking it as ANYONE with an unexcused absence today is getting the same punishment. I was just saying that mexicans would stand out the most and would have the least room to bullshit their way out of it.
 
[quote name='Kayden']You can't get medical care in Canada until you've lived and worked there 90 days.

As for the moderate skill/hard jobs, they aren't disapearing. They're just being taken (as I believe you already said) by illegals willing to do them for less.[/QUOTE]
Those jobs are going overseas, more often than not. Ironically, many of those jobs went to Mexico. Its all about $$$, its all about cheap labor wherever they can get it. Its all about exploitation. Thats what Bush's "guest worker" program is all about. Why in gods name do we need to import unskilled workers? They don't give a rats ass about your average immigrant, they just want to save the company money.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Those jobs are going overseas, more often than not. Ironically, many of those jobs went to Mexico. Its all about $$$, its all about cheap labor wherever they can get it. Its all about exploitation. Thats what Bush's "guest worker" program is all about. Why in gods name do we need to import unskilled workers? They don't give a rats ass about your average immigrant, they just want to save the company money.[/quote]


Exactly, and it's also why McDonalds and many other corporate conglomerates supports the reform, they are protesting too keep this shitty ass jobs?

Or not? I can't even tell because they are protesting the people who support the reform as well! They are fucking retarded!
 
wooo my cousin has just went down and got a lawyer and going to sue the #$#$#$# out of the school system


40% of the mexicans skipped school without their parents calling in yesterday YET not 1 of them was picked up by the cops for skipping school...


my cousins kids skiped today to protest the thing yesterday and was picked up by the cops for skipping school


i hope the school system gets the #$#$ up the ass .... just shows you how #$#$# up the school system is... They allow the mexicans to get away with it but if a black or white student does it they wont put up with it..


#$#$# them all and send them back
 
They couldn't bring the mexicans in. That would be culturally insensitive/racist. :roll: :puke:


[quote name='slidecage']wooo my cousin has just went down and got a lawyer and going to sue the #$#$#$# out of the school system


40% of the mexicans skipped school without their parents calling in yesterday YET not 1 of them was picked up by the cops for skipping school...


my cousins kids skiped today to protest the thing yesterday and was picked up by the cops for skipping school


i hope the school system gets the #$#$ up the ass .... just shows you how #$#$# up the school system is... They allow the mexicans to get away with it but if a black or white student does it they wont put up with it..


#$#$# them all and send them back[/quote]
 
[quote name='slidecage']wooo my cousin has just went down and got a lawyer and going to sue the #$#$#$# out of the school system


40% of the mexicans skipped school without their parents calling in yesterday YET not 1 of them was picked up by the cops for skipping school...


my cousins kids skiped today to protest the thing yesterday and was picked up by the cops for skipping school


i hope the school system gets the #$#$ up the ass .... just shows you how #$#$# up the school system is... They allow the mexicans to get away with it but if a black or white student does it they wont put up with it..


#$#$# them all and send them back[/quote]

Uhhh... cops arrest truants where you live? I've never heard of anyone having any confrontation with police unless the kid simply doesn't attend at all, or attends very little.

Though, yesterday, many schools, businesses etc. allowed people to leave. You expect the cops to call the schools individually and ask whether or not kids were allowed to not attend?

Though he sure has a convenient way to protest people skipping school. "Damn people skipping school. I'll show em, I'll skip the day after them!"
 
Uhhh... cops arrest truants where you live? I've never heard of anyone having any confrontation with police unless the kid simply doesn't attend at all, or attends very little.
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They do where I live. If a cop sees someone that looks school age, then they will be asked for ID, and if they are school age then they take them back to school. At which point they're given Saturday detention. Which is the way it should be.

Anyone who skipped school/work yesterday should have been punished just as if they had skipped it any other day. That's a risk you're willing to take by participating in the protests. But like Kayden said, we can't do that because then we're apparently racist and hate all immigrants.
 
[quote name='slidecage']wooo my cousin has just went down and got a lawyer and going to sue the #$#$#$# out of the school system


40% of the mexicans skipped school without their parents calling in yesterday YET not 1 of them was picked up by the cops for skipping school...


my cousins kids skiped today to protest the thing yesterday and was picked up by the cops for skipping school


i hope the school system gets the #$#$ up the ass .... just shows you how #$#$# up the school system is... They allow the mexicans to get away with it but if a black or white student does it they wont put up with it..


#$#$# them all and send them back[/QUOTE]

I support education reform that puts you back in sophomore year.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I support education reform that puts you back in sophomore year.[/QUOTE]


i vote for that as well.... those were the days : )
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']
Anyone who skipped school/work yesterday should have been punished just as if they had skipped it any other day. That's a risk you're willing to take by participating in the protests. But like Kayden said, we can't do that because then we're apparently racist and hate all immigrants.[/QUOTE]

I skipped school today but not in protest, just don't really have anything to do, senior year, good enough gpa, etc etc.
 
[quote name='YoshiFan1']I hate those types of protests where people block roads and all that nonsense. I also hope that anyone who misses work unexcused is gets a penalty at work and any kid who cuts school gets detention (maybe that's harsh but this kind of stuff gets me very angry!)

""We want full amnesty, full legalization for anybody who is here (illegally)," "

Let them earn it like everyone else had to do[/quote]

I like your attitude. Unfortunately politicians can't decide what constitutes "earning it." I'd sum it up by saying that it's been earned if the families have lived a lengthy and healthy tax paying life. Since there was last an amnesty (early 80's, can't remember exact year) it could be as long as 20+ years.
 
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