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Will "bombshell" hurt McCain, or the New York Times?

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Tomorrow's (Philadelphia Daily) News today -- replacing my earlier post on the topic, wiith a new headline as well:
A bombshell report in this morning’s New York Times about all-but-certain GOP presidential nominee John McCain and his past ties to a younger attractive female lobbyist may resolve one thing:
How much has American politics changed since Gary Hart and his “Monkey Business” two decades ago?
Both the 71-year-old McCain — the Arizona senator with an insurmountable Republican delegate lead — and the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, now 40, deny there was any romance when the two were reportedly seen together frequently in the late 1990s.
But the Times reports unnamed staffers were convinced that a friendship between the senator and the lobbyist for a cable TV giant might undermine McCain’s earlier 2000 bid for the White House. The paper says aides warned the two to stay away from each other after they were spotted at events and even on her client’s corporate jet.
The article states:
That February, Mr. McCain and Ms. Iseman attended a small fund-raising dinner with several clients at the Miami-area home of a cruise-line executive and then flew back to Washington along with a campaign aide on the corporate jet of one of her clients, Paxson Communications. By then, according to two former McCain associates, some of the senator’s advisers had grown so concerned that the relationship had become romantic that they took steps to intervene. A former campaign adviser described being instructed to keep Ms. Iseman away from the senator at public events, while a Senate aide recalled plans to limit Ms. Iseman’s access to his offices.
In interviews, the two former associates said they joined in a series of confrontations with Mr. McCain, warning him that he was risking his campaign and career. Both said Mr. McCain acknowledged behaving inappropriately and pledged to keep his distance from Ms. Iseman. The two associates, who said they had become disillusioned with the senator, spoke independently of each other and provided details that were corroborated by others.
Separately, a top McCain aide met with Ms. Iseman at Union Station in Washington to ask her to stay away from the senator. John Weaver, a former top strategist and now an informal campaign adviser, said in an e-mail message that he arranged the meeting after “a discussion among the campaign leadership” about her.
The new info is a part of a much-longer article about the ethics of McCain, and how he has maintained close ties with lobbyists even after making campaign ethics a top issue. The senator aggressively tried to prevent its publication, calling Times executive editor Bill Keller and saying, according to the piece: “I have never betrayed the public trust by doing anything like that.”
How will it play out? The public seems a lot more immune to this type of story than a generation ago, and a similar type of article about John Kerry in 2004 petered out quickly. Indeed, The New York Times may take more heat for publishing the expose than McCain gets for his past actions



SHould be interesting to see how this plays out, curious to see what his definition of "Is" is
 
Another moment where we'll realize that "family values" issues and infidelity only damage Democrats.

Just ask Giuliani and Newt Gingrich.

EDIT: Allow me to have a "male" moment and simply say this: Is McCain nuts!?!?! His wife is totally hot, in an old classy broad kinda way.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Another moment where we'll realize that "family values" issues and infidelity only damage Democrats.

Just ask Giuliani and Newt Gingrich.[/quote]

Agreed, I imagine he could solicit sex from another man in a bathroom stall and come off pretty well (no pun intended).

~HotShotX
 
Read the Washington Post version of the article. Gets more to the heart of what the scandal should be about -- did his staffers ask this lobbyist to stay away from McCain because it'd ruin his image and did his close friendship with some lobbyists in general influence his decision-making? Those are the real questions here, not whether or not he cheated on his wife which is the least substantiated of any of the claims...
 
I doubt it will have much effect on anything. The guys a straight up American War Hero.

But then again, so was John Kerry until he got Swiftboated. Politics is so fucked it makes me sick, but i love it.

This lady is pretty hot, I'd throw her a shot, anyone got a pic of McCain's wife?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']

EDIT: Allow me to have a "male" moment and simply say this: Is McCain nuts!?!?! His wife is totally hot, in an old classy broad kinda way.[/quote]

It is possible to get sick of certain women....no matter how hot they are. Looks get you through the door; Personality keeps you in the room.

Then again, McCain could be a dog for all I know. I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt though...
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Kucinich's wife beats mccain's hands down.[/quote]
agreed. McCain's wife kinda creeps me out. It's ludicrous I know, but I feel like she's going to bite me unpleasantly as soon as she's finished smiling pleasantly.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Allow me to have a "male" moment and simply say this: Is McCain nuts!?!?! His wife is totally hot, in an old classy broad kinda way.[/quote]

His wife is probably a frigid bitch in the sack.
 
If I remember correctly, he cheated on his first wife with his current wife. So him cheating on her isn't out of the realm of possibility. The Times story reeks of having been over edited. From Bill Keller's (NYT Exec. Editor) own admission they had to run the article through numerous legal reviews. The idea that the four reporters and two contributors, the political editor, washington editor, editor in chief, lawyers, etc. all signed off on this knowing it was an evil smear article is pretty doubtful. The indication being they know he did it, but they don't have the concrete evidence. Now that the topic has been breeched, someone is bound to find something eventually to cement it. There is a rumor that suggests this why Huckabee is still in the race.

If anything, for the time being the article has been good for him, everyone under the sun came to his defense; the news channels, talk radio guys, senate members of all stripes, etc. The only folks it would matter to are the people on the far right who weren't happy with him anyways.

McCain's close ties to lobbyists aren't that shocking for a guy who has been in Washington as long as he has. THe fact that there are five or six lobbyists in the top echelons of his campaign staff, that's stinky for sure.
 
[quote name='Msut77']It is not as if McCain has never cheated on his wife before, the outrage is really quite astonishing.[/quote]

No one cares that he's sleeping around. The point is that he's exchanging punani for huge government favors to lobbyists.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']No one cares that he's sleeping around. The point is that he's exchanging punani for huge government favors to lobbyists.[/QUOTE]

I understand and agree with you that is what the most troubling point is and should be,but to say "no one" cared is silly.
 
[quote name='Cheese']There is a rumor that suggests this why Huckabee is still in the race.
[/quote]

Huckabee is still in the race because men of McCain's age have the bad habit of dying.

From Wikipedia:

"McCain has been treated for recurrent skin cancer, including melanoma, in 1993, 2000, and 2002."

What is the life expectancy of a former POW with recurring cancer and a lot of money?

McCain could keel over tomorrow without anybody batting an eye or thinking foul play. Of course, McCain could reach 100 given the medical care he has access to.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Huckabee is still in the race because men of McCain's age have the bad habit of dying.

From Wikipedia:

"McCain has been treated for recurrent skin cancer, including melanoma, in 1993, 2000, and 2002."

What is the life expectancy of a former POW with recurring cancer and a lot of money?

McCain could keel over tomorrow without anybody batting an eye or thinking foul play. Of course, McCain could reach 100 given the medical care he has access to.[/QUOTE]

True, though skin cancer isn't deadly in the least as long as it is checked for and detected early, as I'm sure he's doing considering he's had it three times.
 
Melanoma is a very nasty and dangerous cancer. It should be distinguished from far less lethal, but disfiguring skin cancers, such as basal cell and squamous cell.

Melanoma prognosis mainly depends on how deeply the malignant cells have invaded the dermis. In theory, if you resect it with good margins at an early stage, you can get a good chance for a cure... but it often spreads to inopportune places or recurs...

It's often a terrible death because of the propensity for melanoma to metastasize to the brain (e.g., Bob Marley died of an acral melanoma that spread to his brain).
 
I heard drowning was one of the worst ways to die. Burnign woudl be pretty bad too IMO (though drowning is pretty much the equivalent to burning, it's just the burningis on the inside of your lungs).
 
[quote name='pittpizza']I heard drowning was one of the worst ways to die. Burnign woudl be pretty bad too IMO (though drowning is pretty much the equivalent to burning, it's just the burningis on the inside of your lungs).[/quote]

Burning is only a bad way to go if you hold your breath and try to survive.

If you're going to die in a fire, shove your head into a cloud of thick, black smoke and take a deep breath.

You'll pass out instantly and never wake up.
 
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