Merril Lynch's PS3 Analysis - Possible Launch Delay - Cost to Manufacture = $900

[quote name='botticus']Pretty good odds this is what ML is taking into account.[/QUOTE]

Agreed this thing is very accurate.. that PS3 will cost 500-600 bucks at launch if it launches in 06 or even 1st qt. of 2007, just think you'll need an extra controller and some games to play as well..bahabha. I think some PS fanboys are a little upset about the news most of us knew was coming....put your Xbox hats on its time to jump ship

Not to stick you fanboys but whats the last PS2 *Exclusive* title besides Shadow Of Colussus and God of War in the past 2 yrs that was AMAZING.....ahhahah

Or better yet how about this...PSP is $250...Xbox 360 is $300....oh or how about the failed UMD format:

Studios slow UMD movie production
Poor sales force movie production houses to cut back on PSP-formatted flicks; noncomedy genres are first to get canned.
When Sony released the PlayStation Portable last year, many industry watchers felt as though the movie-watching capabilities were limited by the handheld's proprietary format. The Universal Media Disc, many argued, would go the way of the Betamax and the Minidisc, formats both made by Sony that were eventually edged out of the market because of competition and their limited usage.

Would people pay money to buy movies that could only be viewed on the four-inch screen of the PSP? Out of the gate, the answer was surprisingly "yes." Seeing the format as a viable option for more revenue, many film studios, some reluctantly, jumped on the bandwagon and announced support for the format.

Now, it appears that many are hopping off as quickly as they got on. Paramount Home Entertainment, Warner Home Video, and yes, even Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, are cutting back on UMD releases because of poor sales, reports Variety.

Warner has cut six titles from its previously announced lineup, including Martin Scorsese's classic Goodfellas. Sony, realizing that comedy UMDs sell much better than action or horror UMDs, will be adding Not Another Teen Movie and Monty Python content to its lineup. Sony will also begin releasing movie bundles, selling a movie on DVD and UMD in one pack for just under $30.

An abundance of formats and piracy (DVDs can be ripped to larger memory sticks) are cited as likely causes for the falling demand, which right now nets about 40,000 to 50,000 units sold for the average release, according to Variety.

To hype demand for UMDs, Sony is said to be pushing an adapter that would let PSPs play UMDs on televisions.


Hmmm a low res picture on my TV....BRILLIANT....LMAO
 
[quote name='Daddy']I dont think so....the cost at this time is looking pretty dead on...and to get technical factor in that 1080P tv...then what..babhabha, also your qouting ENGADGET??? a PS3 site...comon....the title alone should give away engadgets bullshite alone....LYNCH MOB? comon[/QUOTE]


Umm, did you not click the links? The link quoting $523 was from Financial Times, where the engadget was a quoting the ML report.:dunce: Click on the engadget link, then click on the picture of the chart: you'll be taken to the original ML pdf report, wherein ML can't even add up their own numbers.

If you weren't so busy hating Sony and took your head outta your ass, you'd see that the neither the $523 nor the $900 isn't gospel, just predictions.

I'm no Sony fanboy, I was just showing that there are other opinions on the *component* costs out there.

And re: 1080p, it's not a requirement. And it's not even supported by anything other than Blu-ray so far.

manthing
 
People that comment on engadget are fucking dumb...

Anyway, that doesn't seem too far off to me (now that I've actually seen the numbers) I'm guessing the $100 extra was HD and then taken off or something like that, but sticking two new technologies into a box isn't fucking cheap, I'd be surprised if the actual cost was under $700 (not that I really know anything about anything) because the only thing on there that I think could be significantly cheaper is the blu-ray drive, around $200 for a 3.2ghz processor sounds about right not even thinking about how it's some new cell whateverthefuckitis processor.

So unless the processor is significantly slower than that or the blu-ray drive turns out to cost em only $100 at the start, they're going to take a major loss on the first of their consoles.

And seriously, is anybody surprised? They are the ones with a $250 handheld.
 
[quote name='manthing']Umm, did you not click the links? The link quoting $523 was from Financial Times, where the engadget was a quoting the ML report.:dunce: Click on the engadget link, then click on the picture of the chart: you'll be taken to the original ML pdf report, wherein ML can't even add up their own numbers.

If you weren't so busy hating Sony and took your head outta your ass, you'd see that the neither the $523 nor the $900 isn't gospel, just predictions.

I'm no Sony fanboy, I was just showing that there are other opinions on the *component* costs out there.

And re: 1080p, it's not a requirement. And it's not even supported by anything other than Blu-ray so far.

manthing[/QUOTE]


Comon the PSp for $250 is proof alone...dont need to hate Sony they screw themselves enough...your in a dream state if you think it will cost $523 is even close for production costs unless we are talkin well into 2007....and Ml didnt add the numbers wrong they are taking into account production costs...Sony is staggering drunkin down this road just like with PSP....this whole thing is trying to merge there electronics division together by building some media hub and its way to over priced and about 1080P thats like not having 720P right now for 360....when you will spend 500-1000 on PS3 plus accesories your telling me you dont want the systems top specs running....who the hell are you kidding besides yourself....and then you say its not supported by anything but Blu-ray....ummm in case you missed the boat thats the drive in the PS3.....sorry stupid manthing i think your in denial about a system thats non exsistent
 
http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/fe.../hov/p9_05.html

Sony Releases Specs for the New PlayStation
Information on the PlayStation 2 is slowly released throughout the year. In March, it's revealed that a new Toshiba/Sony 250MHz microprocessor, dubbed the Emotion Engine, will be the brains behind the unit. Early reports say that the new unit will retail at approximately $800.
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posted this in another topic and thought it was relevant here.
 
Um for whomever said Wal-Mart wouldn't support Blu-Ray? I saw company pictures of the "future" store setup for May-August, and Wal-Mart is already anticipating stocking blu-ray and HD-DVD when they are out. It's just a matter of how many units Wal-Mart will carry and how much it will cost.

Also, while the PSP isn't exactly "owning" the DS, it still shows people are willing to pay a great amount more for a system/handheld then it's competitors if it has the titles and brand name. In the PSP's case, it sold better because it had Sony slapped onto the name. Last I checked the PSP was selling quite well for $250, and the gigapack was sold out at several locations when it retailed near $300. I am not the biggest fan of Sony (I own the PS1 and PS2, and their accessories, etc, I support them but mainly for the cheapass cause) but I'll admit the PSP did pretty damn well compared to what people thought it would do when it was released.

As for the PS3 releasing at $700-$800, again, people are still going to buy this system. It's just a matter of how many diehard Sony fans exist to the point where they will spend every single dime on one system. I can tell you for that price your better off with a 360 though, because I spent around $815 for all the accessories, year of live, even a overpriced memory card with five games.
 
Just like everything else Sony...

I honestly think they pay people to say their products will be rediculously expensive so that when they launch them at (still) high prices, they are lower than originally estimated and the masses say, "Wow! This thing is SO much cheaper than it was supposed to be! $500 is a GREAT deal! I gotta get one...MOM!"
 
I'm tired of all the bullshit that they call speculation. It's never been right, ever. I'm waiting until Sony themselves spill the details and ignoring the bullshit until then.
 
Quote:
Sony Releases Specs for the New PlayStation
Information on the PlayStation 2 is slowly released throughout the year. In March, it's revealed that a new Toshiba/Sony 250MHz microprocessor, dubbed the Emotion Engine, will be the brains behind the unit. Early reports say that the new unit will retail at approximately $800.



posted this in another topic and thought it was relevant here.


Well this qoute is USELESS....b/c i remember that E3 and how AMAZING the graphics were supposed to be...they DIDNT DELIVER at all on the "emotion enigine" and what it showed was capable....why do you think it ended up not costing that much....dont be surprised if the Cell doesnt produce those CGI graphics you see in the FMV trailers SONY has been popping out
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']$70 for a game is nuts. Crazy Crazy nuts. Theres no way thats gonna fly man.[/QUOTE]

I bought Goldeneye for $75 dollars. One of the best investments I ever made, rivaling my college education. :)
 
Keep in mind that I'm completely unbiased...

but Nintendo is going to fucking crush Sony if the the Revolution sells for less than $299 as they keep saying. People could potentially buy two Revolutions for the price of one PS3.
 
Yes greetard....Nintendo has not been around this long b/c of luck...they have a tried and true formula and have been innovative and leading the way for consoles and controllers since the beginning....keep in mind the single best launch in history was N64....and guess what do you remember how many launch tiltes their were?? TWO....yup..... Pilot wings and mario 64......chew on that......I dont see a flop in Nintendo's future
 
Xbox 360 Manufacturing cost = $715.
Selling Price = $300 to $400
Loss Per System = $315 to $415.

Speculated PS3 Manufacturing Cost = $800 (LOOK CLOSELY - MERRIL'S TOTAL SHOULD BE $800, NOT $900)
Speculated Selling Price = $400 to $500
Loss Per System = $300 to $400


Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me... if they truly sell it within that price range.
 
[quote name='Greetard']Keep in mind that I'm completely unbiased...

but Nintendo is going to fucking crush Sony if the the Revolution sells for less than $299 as they keep saying. People could potentially buy two Revolutions for the price of one PS3.[/quote]

I deffiently agree, I mean sure it is not as powerful as the 360 or the PS3, but if Nintendo can show some awesome games with wifi. Also I think for the PS3 to sell, it is going to have to show that what it can do is better than any PC game out in the market, or one that will be coming out in the next few years, because even if the PS3 is $500, I could get alot of parts to a new gaming PC.
 
[quote name='psiufoxx2']Xbox 360 Manufacturing cost = $715.
Selling Price = $300 to $400
Loss Per System = $315 to $415.

Speculated PS3 Manufacturing Cost = $800 (LOOK CLOSELY - MERRIL'S TOTAL SHOULD BE $800, NOT $900)
Speculated Selling Price = $400 to $500
Loss Per System = $300 to $400


Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me... if they truly sell it within that price range.[/QUOTE]


WTF where are you getting your numbers from $715 for 360? Dont tell me Joystiq.com? I know its at a loss but not that much...MS is NOTORIOUS for loss and then make-up on software..... As for Meryl Lynch.... is at $900 on PS3 not b/c they cant add its b/c of parts pricing and analyzing cost on parts....no one losses $400 a unit ...look for cut backs on PS3 technology and options on the actual unit....look for XBOX 360 to have a price drop by then and HALO 3.....sorry SONY is toast
 
If you can lose $4 Billion dollars over the life of the system, and be considered by the mainstream as a success, Sony will be technically fine.
 
[quote name='Daddy']WTF where are you getting your numbers from $715 for 360? Dont tell me Joystiq.com? I know its at a loss but not that much...MS is NOTORIOUS for loss and then make-up on software..... As for Meryl Lynch.... is at $900 on PS3 not b/c they cant add its b/c of parts pricing and analyzing cost on parts....no one losses $400 a unit ...look for cut backs on PS3 technology and options on the actual unit....look for XBOX 360 to have a price drop by then and HALO 3.....sorry SONY is toast[/quote]

Joystiq, TGDaily, xbox365, Insider Scoop, gizmodo, all quote the final shipped cost of an Xbox 360 to be around $700.

iSuppli, a microchip research company, has quoted it a bit lower at $550, not including shipping and marketing costs rolled into the final "manufacturing" cost - ie, your "parts pricing and analyzing costs on parts".

I know that internet sources can be fuzzy, and often flat out wrong, but so can this whole speculation proposed by Merril Lynch. I'm still comparing apples to apples here, regardless of the source. Your argument about the Xbox 360 toasting Sony's efforts seems completely unfounded, however.

Want a better source? BusinessWeek magazine compiled a report which estimates that the total cost of all of the components in the "premium" bundle is $525 USD, aside from additional manufacturing costs, meaning that Microsoft is losing at least $126 ON PARTS on every Xbox 360 system sold in the US, and at least as much in Japan. Factor in manufacturing costs and you easily approach the $700 point which I had indicated earlier.

--

All I have left to say is thank goodness I'm rooting for the Revolution.
 
PS3 has such a hill to climb it is not even funny just look at at the data presented form PSP selling at $250 with no game or memory (8mb doesnt count for sheite) to the fact that if it is "as strong" graphically as they say it will...WHO THE FOOK WILL BE ABLE to make games for it? Only the top 3 houses for games maybe like UBISOFT and EA? Or its proposed selling point of $500 with no game and who knows what else? A year and half behind in games production by the time its released in the US b/c overseas is getting it first and they are looking at a winter release date themselves? Or maybe the Blu-ray games costing $70 or more due to the fact the DVD-9 format games on 360 are selling at $60 themselves?.....and dont even get me started on the ONLINE (without that your toast in Next Gen) that is missing for SONY as well.


The whole thing is HORRIBLE b/c SONY wants the "entertainment" peice of the pie and MS is starting to suceed with its Media Center integration with gaming and movies on 360 so now SONY has to make this hunky PS3 do it all and its just getting out of control....EVERYONE (MS included) wants that whole IPOD/ITUNES movie/music slice of the pie....Nintendo is the only one focusing on gaming...look for SONY to shoot themselves in the foot due to greed alone
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']If you can lose $4 Billion dollars over the life of the system, and be considered by the mainstream as a success, Sony will be technically fine.[/QUOTE]
Microsoft can do that. Such a loss would obliterate Sony as a whole.
 
well, no one really knows anything for sure about the ps3. all will be revealed in may, hopefully.

One thing's for sure-- Sony would have to make some really stupid decisions to fail this gen. they've got Japan (the 360 numbers have spoken) and they are still the most popular in America by far. Brand and quality recognition are almost 100% in their favor.

If their system isn't this ridiculously expensive thing to develop for, they'll have the most dev support too.
 
[quote name='Daddy']Nintendo is the only one focusing on gaming...look for SONY to shoot themselves in the foot due to greed alone[/QUOTE]
I have to wonder how much truth this statement will end up holding. I love console launches. The unknown, and just to watch as everything play out. In my personal thoughts, I think the quoted statement is dead-on. Microsoft as the cash to keep doing this, and their focus is different enough from Nintendo that they can co exisit well. I'm just not sure what Sony is going to do... I have a hard time believing they'll be anywhere near as dominant in this coming generation as they were with the PS2, but it all remains to be seen.
 
Thanks....I seriously look into this generation as "losing sight" for some companies...MS like I stated previously can afford to do it and hasnt gone insane with it....Xbox Live is proven and works seamlessly....as for SONY I just see them getting hurt here....even if you are not sure on the Meryl Lynch prediction...SONY stock took a hard hit this week in the stocks b/c of it and the sighted delay which is inevitable. Either way fanboy or bandwagon people are the same wether its gaming or sports.....you go were the gettin is good....so if Nintendo and XBOX are leading the way and SONY falls finally, dont try to tell me you wont end up with a 360 or Revolution....Sony is not gonna be able to step up this generation no matter how you swing it....your just starting to see it if your eyes havent been open since the day SONY tried to pass off a NON-EXSISTENT system with no ventalation and a BOOMERANG as a controller.....

PS- Daroga....nice qoute/sig.....thats exactly what ive been trying to tell people....and thats why Nintendo has been around so long...no high prices....no bull....no Itunes....just games and fun

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The PS3 and the Xbox 360 may both look shiny on the outside, but it's the guts of each machine that determine their retail price tags.
Consumers who buy the PlayStation 3 will certainly get high-priced components in that new game console whenever it hits store shelves. The big question will be how much of a financial loss Sony will have to swallow on each box in order to get consumers to buy them.

The estimated total bill of materials for Sony's next-generation game console will be between $725 and $905, according to various estimates. In comparison, the Xbox 360 from Microsoft comes with a component bill between $501 and $525.

Though Sony hasn't disclosed the price of the PS3, analysts figure it will have to be in the ballpark of $299 to $399--the price for the two versions of the Xbox 360. PS3 pricing speculation has heated up in recent days, along with rumors that the long-awaited game console could be delayed for up to a year.

The pricing disparity between the components for the two consoles comes largely because the Sony box will contain a Blu-ray drive, which supports the new high-definition Blu-ray DVD format. That could cost $200 to $300 or more per console. The processor in the PS3 also will likely cost more.

The unusual nature of the new console's component menu makes it difficult to pinpoint the cost estimate. The PS3 will be one of the few machines on the market with XDR memory, based on designs from Rambus.

Some analysts have suffered addition problems, too. Merrill Lynch wrote in a widely publicized research note that the component bill would total $900, not including a detachable drive, but Merrill later told CNET News.com that it meant to say $800.

Nonetheless, the cost of the rest of the components is roughly equal for both the Sony and Microsoft consoles, according to various analyst estimates.

The materials price estimates do not include marketing, software development, advertising or other costs, which will push Sony's total cost per console even higher. A Sony representative said the company would not comment on pricing.

A mismatch between the retail price and the cost of materials for a game console isn't unusual, because console manufacturers expect to make up the difference by selling games to run on the consoles. That's what Microsoft did with the Xbox 360.

The cost of making game consoles also drops rapidly over time because manufacturers don't usually upgrade the configurations year after year, while the cost of the components they're using drop. Merrill Lynch, in fact, estimates that the component bill will drop to $320 in three years, not including the detachable drive.

Ken Kutaragi, who heads up Sony Computer Entertainment, is counting on it. In 1999, the processor and the graphics chip inside the PS2 took up 239 and 279 square millimeters in surface area, respectively, which made them relatively large (and hence relatively expensive) chips, he noted in a speech in February in San Francisco. By 2004, the two chips were condensed into one that took up only 87 square millimeters, almost one sixth the size.

Here's how the components stack up.

Processor: The PS3 will be a showcase for the Cell processor from the SIT powers (Sony, IBM, Toshiba). The cell consists of a PowerPC core with eight signal processing cores. While the large number of cores help run multimedia applications, they also make for one large chip. Cell will take up 221 square millimeters of space, larger than the 168 square millimeters of the Xbox 360 processor. Larger chips are typically more expensive to make.

A greater percentage of the real estate on the Xbox 360 chip, also from IBM, is given up to cache memory. Cache is typically cheaper to manufacture than logic transistors, which own more of the real estate on Cell. As a result, Sony faces two disadvantages in terms of cost.

Kevin Krewell, editor in chief of the Microprocessor Forum, estimates the chip will cost between $150 and $170 at launch. Merrill Lynch puts the cost at $230, dropping to an estimated $60 in three years. In comparison, iSuppli estimates the cost of the Xbox 360 chip at $106.

The optical drive: For PS3, this is the killer. In 2006, manufacturers will have to pay $200 to $300 for Blu-ray drives, according to Wolfgang Schlichting, an analyst with IDC. By 2007, the price will drop to between $100 and $200. The Xbox has a standard DVD drive, with an optional HD-DVD drive.

Standard DVD drives sell for $20 or less. Even recordable DVD drives at wholesale sell for a mere $28 to $32.

Graphics chip: This looks like a tie. Microsoft worked with ATI Technologies to develop a chip that costs about $141, according to iSuppli. Sony teamed with ATI rival Nvidia for its chip, which could cost $120 to $150, according to Dean McCarron at Mercury Research. Since the two chips are based on the high-end PC chips from the two companies, and since ATI and Nvidia are such fierce competitors, it's a safe bet that the two are roughly equal here.

Memory: Looks like a tie, but Sony may take a slight hit here. The Xbox 360 will come with 512MB of GDDR (graphics double data rate memory, meant for handling graphics-intensive programs like games). The PS3 will come with 256MB of 700MHz GDDR 3 memory and 256MB of XDR memory. Bob Merritt of Semico Research says it's safe to assume that both types of memory will sell for a 100 percent premium over conventional DDR2 memory in 2006, dropping to a 50 percent premium the following year. A 256-megabit DDR2 chip sells for about $2.46 on the wholesale market, he said, leading to a price of about $79 for 512MB of GDDR (here's the math: 2.46 x 2 x 2 x 8. There are eight bits in a byte).

iSuppli and Merrill Lynch put the cost of memory at, respectively, $65 and $50. The average between the three is $65.

In a twist, Samsung will make memory for both consoles.

Hard drive: The $399 version of the Xbox 360 comes with a detachable 20GB hard drive. Sony will include a detachable drive but hasn't set specifications. So again, it's a draw. On the wholesale market, the drives go for about $40.

Everything else: The power supply, the chassis, the wireless components--all of these parts will come from the same (or similarly situated) competitors in China and Taiwan and will cost the same. The "other" category of parts comes to about $165, according to iSuppli and $100 according to Merrill Lynch. Let's average that out to $130.

Total: If you use the low-end figures for Cell ($150) and the Blu-ray drive ($200) the PS3 materials bill comes to $700. The high estimate, including a $230 chip and $300 drive, comes to $880. The average is $790. The Xbox 360, meanwhile, comes in at $476 through averaging prices from different analysts. A study from iSuppli puts the figure at $525.


EITHER WAY YOU SWING IT...its almost double to produce the PS3 UNLESS...its held till at least half way through 2007 (summer)
 
Ps3 fans have to start looking to another system unless they want to wait and pay a whole lot
 
[quote name='Daddy']PS3 has such a hill to climb it is not even funny just look at at the data presented form PSP selling at $250 with no game or memory (8mb doesnt count for sheite)[/quote]
What? That it's sure to sell well just like the PSP is doing? I don't particularly see why you keep mentioning the PSP as some sort of example of why the PS3 will fail.
[quote name='Daddy']to the fact that if it is "as strong" graphically as they say it will...WHO THE FOOK WILL BE ABLE to make games for it? Only the top 3 houses for games maybe like UBISOFT and EA?[/quote]
Any developer worth their salt can develop for the PS3. Not every developer has to spend $10-$20 million+ to develop a game, they can spend what they feel comfortable with without having to come up with a Metal Gear Solid 4-quality game. There's even rumors of an XBLA-style service to be offered with the rumored PlayStation Hub, which would be a nice for the smaller developers to get their games out there.
[quote name='Daddy']Or its proposed selling point of $500 with no game and who knows what else?[/quote]
Since when did no game included become a bad thing, as systems have been launching like that for a long time. The price is merely rumor at this point until Sony says otherwise, as analysts overprice systems 95% of the time.
[quote name='Daddy']A year and half behind in games production by the time its released in the US b/c overseas is getting it first and they are looking at a winter release date themselves?[/quote]
I honestly don't understand this part and the overall message here. I know Koei has said that they will be ready for a Spring 2006 launch with, I believe, two games.
[quote name='Daddy']Or maybe the Blu-ray games costing $70 or more due to the fact the DVD-9 format games on 360 are selling at $60 themselves? $70.....and dont even get me started on the ONLINE (without that your toast in Next Gen) that is missing for SONY as well.[/quote]
I'd like to see your source on the $70 Blu-Ray games, as I don't believe I've seen any specific price for the games mentioned. One thing I noticed on the list of disc mediums that the PS3 will support is PlayStation 3 DVD-roms. Could we see DVD games coming to the PS3 just like how early PS2 games (and even some still come out to this day) were on CD-soms? Probably for those games that wouldn't fit more than a DVD could hold. Source

[quote name='Daddy']The whole thing is HORRIBLE b/c SONY wants the "entertainment" peice of the pie and MS is starting to suceed with its Media Center integration with gaming and movies on 360 so now SONY has to make this hunky PS3 do it all and its just getting out of control....EVERYONE (MS included) wants that whole IPOD/ITUNES movie/music slice of the pie....Nintendo is the only one focusing on gaming...look for SONY to shoot themselves in the foot due to greed alone[/QUOTE]
Sony's also focused on the games, as they know that the console's not worth the money it cost if it doesn't have any good content available. That's how they won this generation, and that a huge part of their plan for this generation. They just want to offer more to do with your system when you're not playing games.
 
Are you kidding? Those are your answers?

I use the PSP as an example b/c its $299 with a one gig stick...the 360 is a CONSOLE at the same price....PS3 cant sell for less than $500 bucks w/o looking stupid for that fact alone.

Then you think if the graphics are up to par that gaming houses will develop for games on there next gen system w/o spending big bucks? Games developed on 360 already every development house says their dev teams have doubled since the last gen consoles....so your claiming this superior PS3 will produce crappy games with small budgets? Comon....gimmie a break, then you TRY to counter Xbox Live Arcade by saying PS3 will sell a hub (extra cost yet again) to COPY Microsoft?


Then we go to a system that will sell for $500 or more with no game and you ask why that will be a problem? Well I'll bet dollars to donuts that since Xbox 360 games are selling at $60 bucks on DvD-9 format and BLU-RAY is PS3 choice for there system....your teling me that they wont sell for AT LEAST $70 bucks due to the technology alone? Then you use a link to SONY...bahabhba...right i like how they say 1080P is FAR SUPERIOR to 720P.....ok and your 1080P HDTV costs how much? righttttt.....i guess you plan on playing on a 10inch 1080P HDTV monitor...ahhahaha


Then we go to your Spring 2006 (spring is March 20th-June21st) launch date (oh in case you havent been doing your research its launching in Japan first) that ISNT HAPPENING.....considering E3 is in the middle of May ....I highly doubt they will say...PS3 is launching is 4 weeks...SURPRISE .....I dont know why you would reply to this thread or even my post b/c it looks as if you havent been paying attention to any of the news...or even rumours?

Last but now least you have somehow drank magic KoolAid and think Sony is focused purely on gaming....i dont know how you got your head so far up in SONY's bootie but you need to wake up.....SONY came in the gaming market copying others and stealing their ideas then putting more money into it to make it better...you can only do that so many times....this time they are gonna push the price tag TOO HIGH for the average consumer to keep up...maybe this think will do good in Japan...ahahha....this is ridicuous .....i still cant see how your sooo blind.....try going to an E3 event and checking out SONY...they are ridiculous...they have funny ass tactics that seem to work on the average Joe Blow like Look we have "more Power" or "Bigger drive" or "1080P is Far Superior to 720P" they are such smoke blowers they are ridiculous....E3 last year was sooo funny...they brought out ram sizes and terraflops in their presentation b/c THEY HAD NO REAL SYSTEM to show...just some vids....it was sooo stupid....yet people like ou were like WOW that thing rocks...i bet even after they got BUSTED that it wasnt a real system b/c it didnt even have ventalation holes you still fell for it......

In short the PS bandwagin ended a while back for people....granted PS2 did great....but this is next-gen and they arent gonna pull through considering its march in 2 days....and spring is a few weeks away.....nice dedication, but you just look like a fan boy at this point
 
[quote name='Daddy']Well I'll bet dollars to donuts that since Xbox 360 games are selling at $60 bucks on DvD-9 format and BLU-RAY is PS3 choice for there system....your teling me that they wont sell for AT LEAST $70 bucks due to the technology alone?[/quote]

First, and awesomely: Daddy bets dollars to donuts. Does that mean Tanuki is offering donuts? Who else would he be betting his dollars to? Tanuki, share the damn wealth.

Second: I honestly cannot and will not assign any credit to someone who doesn't have a basic grasp on the English language. I agree with many of your points... but c'mon man, message board or not, if you're trying to argue your case at least proofread your own words.
 
[quote name='psiufoxx2']First, and awesomely: Daddy bets dollars to donuts. Does that mean Tanuki is offering donuts? Who else would he be betting his dollars to? Tanuki, share the damn wealth.

Second: I honestly cannot and will not assign any credit to someone who doesn't have a basic grasp on the English language. I agree with many of your points... but c'mon man, message board or not, if you're trying to argue your case at least proofread your own words.[/QUOTE]


BAhahha...ok just a tip if your gonna bash someone on spell check you might wanna spell check your own stuff.....you needed to say "betting his dollars too?" you forgot an O...hahaha....oh yeah its proof-read not proofread....this is too funny.....but who cares point is you can read it and you get the point

PS- Now i want some donuts....with dollars on top
 
Current estimates on the core system put the 'cost of goods' at $310. That number does not include manufacturing costs, it only factors in the cost of the components. The $500-ish estimates are probably on track for the premium when all costs are considered.

One notable thing to keep in mind is the wireless controller. It retails for $50, and costs $11 to make. They're making up quite a bit of that initial loss on accessories alone. The attach rate for 360 has been 3 accessories and 4 games. The margins on those accessories are astronomical, they're not losing much. That attach rate will almost certainly decrease as availability increases, but costs will also decrease somewhat.

Put the retail price of the 360 aside for a minute, when trying to come up with PS3's retail price. Consider this, a $500 standalone HD-DVD player is coming out this month. That is the price point Sony is competing with. PS3 is going to be the cheapest Blu-Ray player for a good while.

A lot of sources are suggesting that PS3 is costing more, and not as far along, as Sony would like. I think most of us can believe that. Personally, I can't fathom how PS3 could possibly launch anywhere within 6 weeks unless they're manufacturing them today. They're going to need to start making these at least a month before they launch. I'm not saying Sony can't pull something together, but its certainly not going as smoothly as they'd like. Many attribute this to Sony being a little over ambitious with PS3.

Just to show that the numbers aren't being pulled out of my ass:
http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=180201706&pgno=1
 
Thats correct...SONY is dreaming.....this whole thing is stupid....see that PS3 in 2007....bababahb
 
[quote name='Daddy']BAhahha...ok just a tip if your gonna bash someone on spell check you might wanna spell check your own stuff.....you needed to say "betting his dollars too?" you forgot an O...hahaha....oh yeah its proof-read not proofread....this is too funny.....but who cares point is you can read it and you get the point

PS- Now i want some donuts....with dollars on top[/quote]

Um... no :) I was not "bashing" you... but since you've bashed me:

"betting his dollars to" - The word "to" and "too" are in fact different and in this case, have different meanings. I was using a slang version of the question "To whom else would he be betting his dollars?" by rephrasing it as "Who else would he be betting his dollars to?"

proofread - Honestly, where the hell did you produce that spelling from? The proper spelling is proofread. Using the hyphen is redundant.

Please don't argue grammar with me... I simply mentioned that your argument is lessened by your poor typing in an effort to help you strengthen your position. Yes I can read your posts, but no I won't agree with babble.
 
[quote name='Daddy']Hahahah......grammar.....who cares its a message board not an essay[/quote]

You should care if you want people to take what you're saying seriously. If you can't be bothered to type and spell correctly why should I believe you would actually make an effort to research these "facts" you keep spewing? And stop typing "hahahaha". It's idiotic.
 
I'll pay $500 for the PS3 if the system's defect rate will be less than the PS1 and the PS2. I hate buying something and then having to buy it again a couple years down the road.
 
[quote name='Daddy']Are you kidding? Those are your answers?

I use the PSP as an example b/c its $299 with a one gig stick...the 360 is a CONSOLE at the same price....PS3 cant sell for less than $500 bucks w/o looking stupid for that fact alone.[/quote]
Apples and oranges. If someone wanted a console, they'd go for the 360. If they wanted a handheld system, they'd go for the DS and PSP. Plus, the only comparable version of the 360 and PSP would be the Premium 360 bundle and Deluxe PSP bundles, as both include memory storages devices in addition to the basic systems. Either way, it's not a good comparison to make. Handhelds vs. handhelds and consoles vs. consoles would actually make some sense. In regards to the PS3 selling for less than $500 being stupid, how so? It has to be above $500 to be a smart decision? I'm not getting the logic behind that last sentence.

[quote name='Daddy']Then you think if the graphics are up to par that gaming houses will develop for games on there next gen system w/o spending big bucks? Games developed on 360 already every development house says their dev teams have doubled since the last gen consoles....so your claiming this superior PS3 will produce crappy games with small budgets? Comon....gimmie a break, then you TRY to counter Xbox Live Arcade by saying PS3 will sell a hub (extra cost yet again) to COPY Microsoft?[/quote]
Why are you putting words in my mouth? When did I ever say the PS3 was superior and that small budgets would produce crappy games? Developers aren't forced to spend blockbuster money on a project if they're not willing to spend double digit million dollar on the project, but it will cost a few times more than dev. costs were this generation. Small budget games doesn't automatically mean crappy, as games like Alien Hominid and Katamari Damacy were pretty cheap, but certainly not crap. Hell, if the PS3 is just out of a developer's price range, there's the PSP and PS2 that still have plenty of life in them and much larger install bases than the PS3 (obviously).

Have you heard of the rumors of the PlayStation HUB, the Live-like service that Sony's supposedly putting in place? Sony pretty much has to copy Live in some form to appease developers, as many wished Sony would go that route for their systems. I don't see how taking a page from MS's book to make a semi-weak point of their first online attempts better is a bad thing. I can see how you'd think it was.

[quote name='Daddy']Then we go to a system that will sell for $500 or more with no game and you ask why that will be a problem? Well I'll bet dollars to donuts that since Xbox 360 games are selling at $60 bucks on DvD-9 format and BLU-RAY is PS3 choice for there system....your teling me that they wont sell for AT LEAST $70 bucks due to the technology alone? Then you use a link to SONY...bahabhba...right i like how they say 1080P is FAR SUPERIOR to 720P.....ok and your 1080P HDTV costs how much? righttttt.....i guess you plan on playing on a 10inch 1080P HDTV monitor...ahhahaha[/quote]
360 games are selling at $60 to cover the higher cost of development, not because of the cost of DVD-9's. We don't know how, or even if, the use of Blu-Ray-roms will have an effect on the MSRP of games. Until Sony says otherwise, I'm not assuming anything else. I used the link to Sony's specs on the PS3 to show that they list PS3 DVD-roms as a media playable on the PS3, meaning that we'll probably see some early games on DVD-roms, probably even DVD-9's, for those teams that aren't going to need more than what a DVD-rom offers. You're last few sentences aren't even responses to anything I said, just putting more words in my mouth.

[quote name='Daddy']Then we go to your Spring 2006 (spring is March 20th-June21st) launch date (oh in case you havent been doing your research its launching in Japan first) that ISNT HAPPENING.....considering E3 is in the middle of May ....I highly doubt they will say...PS3 is launching is 4 weeks...SURPRISE .....I dont know why you would reply to this thread or even my post b/c it looks as if you havent been paying attention to any of the news...or even rumours? [/quote]
Did I suddenly become a Sony rep and not know it? I never said that I believed Sony would be making their Spring 2006 release date. I mentioned that Koei has said that they'd be ready for the release if it actually happens in the spring. I'm just as skeptical as anybody, but Sony's almost been too quiet about the system these past few weeks, so I'm expecting some info to come out at GDC, where Phil Harrison, I believe it's him or someone from Sony, is doing the keynote address. Again, you seem to be putting words in my mouth. I've been paying attention to all the rumors, but they're just that, rumors. Until Sony themselves comes out and confirms or denies the rumors, there's not much reason to take them as fact just yet.

[quote name='Daddy']Last but now least you have somehow drank magic KoolAid and think Sony is focused purely on gaming....i dont know how you got your head so far up in SONY's bootie but you need to wake up.....SONY came in the gaming market copying others and stealing their ideas then putting more money into it to make it better...you can only do that so many times....this time they are gonna push the price tag TOO HIGH for the average consumer to keep up...maybe this think will do good in Japan...ahahha....this is ridicuous .....i still cant see how your sooo blind.....try going to an E3 event and checking out SONY...they are ridiculous...they have funny ass tactics that seem to work on the average Joe Blow like Look we have "more Power" or "Bigger drive" or "1080P is Far Superior to 720P" they are such smoke blowers they are ridiculous....E3 last year was sooo funny...they brought out ram sizes and terraflops in their presentation b/c THEY HAD NO REAL SYSTEM to show...just some vids....it was sooo stupid....yet people like ou were like WOW that thing rocks...i bet even after they got BUSTED that it wasnt a real system b/c it didnt even have ventalation holes you still fell for it......[/quote]
Sony's not focused purely on games, but they do know that for the system and most of its features to seem useful, they've got to have the content to back it up. I went to E3 last year, and while Sony's numbers presentation is nothing new, the tech demos are called tech demos for a reason. Though they may not be representative of what the system may or may not be able to do, I'm not speculating on that, they weren't really created on actual dev kits, as they weren't really sent out until a few months later. MGS4 is probably one of the few games to have been shown to be running in real time, as Kojima had shown at TGS. And once again, you put a whole paragraph in my mouth. Please, you should stop with the extreme amount of assumptions you've made in this one post.

[quote name='Daddy']In short the PS bandwagin ended a while back for people....granted PS2 did great....but this is next-gen and they arent gonna pull through considering its march in 2 days....and spring is a few weeks away.....nice dedication, but you just look like a fan boy at this point[/QUOTE]
You're calling me a fanboy? :rofl: This is coming from the guy who's posted pretty much nothing but PS3 bashing over the past week, and even calling the PS2 crap compared to the 360 based on graphics. I'm not defending the PS3 so much as questioning your arguments as to why it'll fail.

I'm sorry, but I've got to agree with neocisco about the grammar issues, as it's fairly hard to decipher your post with all these sets of 3-5 periods being used instead of periods, commas, semi-colons, etc. It's much easier to understand a point if I can clearly understand it. I'd doubt that you'd turn this post in to an English teacher and not expect to get an F on it.
 
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