Mexico legalizes hardcore drugs

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This is INSANE, legalizing drugs on an American boredom, and what is moe shocking is how little attention this story has gotten. This is huge, huge news for so many reasons and not just american high school and college kids going down south to get wild. And no American response so far, either.

There are numerous reports, here is one from NYTimes:

MEXICO CITY, April 28 — Mexican lawmakers passed a sweeping new drug law early Friday that would crack down on small-time dealers, legalize the possession of small quantities of drugs and mandate treatment for addicts.

Under the bill, it would be legal to have 25 milligrams of heroin, a fifth of an ounce of marijuana or half a gram of cocaine. The bill also makes it legal to possess small amounts of LSD, hallucinogenic mushrooms, amphetamines and peyote.

President Vicente Fox had proposed the law in January 2004 in the hopes of slowing down the rapid growth in drug addiction and the ranks of small-time dealers that has hit Mexican cities and towns in recent years, just as it has long plagued American cities.

Both houses of the Mexican Congress passed it in a last-minute flurry of legislation as their session drew to a close. The final version of the bill passed the Senate by a vote of 53 to 26 during an all-night session that ended Friday morning. After its final approval, the president's spokesman, Ruben Aguilar, said Mr. Fox would sign it into law.

"This law gives police and prosecutors better legal tools to combat drug crimes that do so much damage to our youth and children," Mr. Aguilar said.

A United States Embassy official in Mexico deplored the new measure. "We have not seen the text, so we cannot comment on it in detail," said the official, who was not authorized to speak publicly. "But any law that would decriminalize dangerous drugs would not be helpful."

Supporters of the bill said it was meant to fix major flaws in Mexico's current drug laws. First, it will allow local judges and the police to decide on a case-by-case basis whether people should be prosecuted when caught with small amounts of drugs. Previously, every drug suspect had to be prosecuted, a system that put many addicts in jail while dealers went free after bribing officials.

Second, the state and local police will be empowered to arrest and prosecute street dealers who are carrying more than the minor amounts allowed under the law. Under existing laws, drug crimes were handled only by federal officials.

The new measure also requires people caught with less than the legal limits to go before a judge, prove they are addicts and seek treatment.

"We are not authorizing the consumption of drugs," said Senator Jorge Zermiño, the bill's sponsor in the Senate. "We are combating it and recognizing that there are addicts that require special treatment. We cannot close our eyes, nor fill our jails with addicts."

But opponents said the law would essentially legalize drug use and lead to more drug abuse and so help drug dealers.

"Here we are authorizing drug use," said Senator Miguel Ángel Navarro of the Party of the Democratic Revolution. "Whether it's a little or a lot, we are legalizing drug use. And I ask who is selling the drugs? Is it now legal to sell drugs in the eyes of the authorities? Clearly not."

The bill was approved as Mexico finds itself in the midst of a war between rival drug cartels that has claimed hundreds of lives, including dozens of police officers, particularly in the Texas border town of Nuevo Laredo and along the Pacific Coast between Acapulco and Zihuatanejo.

The violence has been only part of the social cost of the lucrative drug trade here. Twenty years ago Mexico used to be a country through which drugs passed on their way to Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and other major American cities.

These days, however, drug dealers and addicts have become more numerous in border towns and big cities. The growing local market for drugs has spurred higher levels of prostitution, robbery and burglary.

Local police forces have been hamstrung in their efforts to stop street-level dealing. Lacking the training and authority to investigate under the old law, they could arrest someone only if the person was caught in the act of selling drugs. Only the federal police could arrest someone for drug possession.

"The current law is unclear," said José Ángelo Cordova, the chairman of the health committee in the Chamber of Deputies. "If they don't catch the person selling it, they can't charge them with a crime."
 
The article disputes your title

Mexican lawmakers passed a sweeping new drug law early Friday that would crack down on small-time dealers, legalize the possession of small quantities of drugs and mandate treatment for addicts.

If they leaglized drugs, they wouldn't be cracking down on small time dealers and mandating treatment for addicts. What this does is make it so the police don't have to waste their time with users.
 
This is exactly what needs to happen in the US. We've packed our jails full of people who have done little more than gotten high a few times. Its destroying the lives of countless people who have done nothing to hurt anyone, and costing taxpayers billions every year. Its a waste of resources that could be infinitely better spent fighting real crimes, and getting addicts the help they need via rehabilitation.

Unfortunately, its going to be a long time before any real change happens here in the US: our political landscape is infected with a 'tough on crime' meme that makes it political suicide to suggest anything other than longer and longer sentences (regardless of how little longer sentences actually work in preventing crime.)
 
Theres a biiiig difference between legalizing and decriminalizing. You can smoke a cigarette infront of a cop, but try snorting coke infront of him and he'll bust your skull and demand to know who you got it from... but you wont be in jail.
 
banning things does not address the demand side of the issue,

if people are going to want drugs they will get it, and people will find ways to sell it to them because it will be profitable
the ban of anything will generate black market for that good
 
[quote name='DuckM4n']banning things does not address the demand side of the issue,

if people are going to want drugs they will get it, and people will find ways to sell it to them because it will be profitable
the ban of anything will generate black market for that good[/QUOTE]
True, although a legalization of it does make it more tempting for hxc-drug virgins to give them a go (and thus lead them into addiction).
 
[quote name='I AM WILLIAM H. MACY']True, although a legalization of it does make it more tempting for hxc-drug virgins to give them a go (and thus lead them into addiction).[/quote]

I don't know about that.

If you're going to risk death or a coma to do hardcore drugs, then the (remote) chance of getting caught by the law on your first time will probably do little to dissuade you.
 
I don't understand how this is not a huge, hysterical story. Parents flip out over pixelated blood in videogames, when this is an issue that has far more potential to impact the lives of their kids.
If anything, the illegal immigration storyline currently in favor could dovetail with this one.
 
[quote name='I AM WILLIAM H. MACY']True, although a legalization of it does make it more tempting for hxc-drug virgins to give them a go (and thus lead them into addiction).[/quote]

This is the idiocy that keeps marijuana from being decrminilized.


I, for one, applaud Mexico for giving the people what they want!

We'll now trade our druggies for their homeless.
 
[quote name='vherub']And there is not thread on this yet?!?!
This is INSANE, legalizing drugs on an American boredom, and what is moe shocking is how little attention this story has gotten. [/QUOTE]

Where is this "American boredom" you speak of? Was that what went out and saw R.V. this weekend?
 
Hopefully it will cut down on arresting some kid and make more time to arrest a huge dealer.

Also, I don't really think it's the job of American citizens to dictate Mexican law, so if you want to bitch then go for it, but it's pointless.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Hopefully it will cut down on arresting some kid and make more time to arrest a huge dealer.

Also, I don't really think it's the job of American citizens to dictate Mexican law, so if you want to bitch then go for it, but it's pointless.[/quote]


:cry: But Mexicans get to dictate our policies...
 
[quote name='camoor']I don't know about that.

If you're going to risk death or a coma to do hardcore drugs, then the (remote) chance of getting caught by the law on your first time will probably do little to dissuade you.[/QUOTE]
Most people don't think you'll die or go into a coma just from trying coke once.
 
[quote name='Rich']This is the idiocy that keeps marijuana from being decrminilized.


I, for one, applaud Mexico for giving the people what they want!

We'll now trade our druggies for their homeless.[/QUOTE]
Ah, but I'm for marijuana legalization. It's really no worse than tobacco. On the other hand, drugs like LSD or heroine can seriously fuck up someone's life.
 
[quote name='I AM WILLIAM H. MACY']Most people don't think you'll die or go into a coma just from trying coke once.[/quote]

People most at risk for drug deaths and hospitalization are new users. The addicts know how much to take and usually having drugs to counter overdoses (ie. overdose on an upper then take a downer). The new users are the ones who don't know how to minimize the risks.
 
The argument about how easy it is to OD on drugs is actually a good argument for legalizing them. If they were legal and being sold in actual stores by actual companies, then appropriate dosage would be clearly indicated on the box, which would drastically cut down the number of new users who don't know how much to take. Another big cause of overdoses is that the strength of a given drug can vary widely, as drug sellers generally cut what they sell as much as they can get away with. What may be a completely safe dose from one dealer can be a massive overdose from another. THEN you have the problem with the fact that dealers often cut their drugs with unsafe chemicals.

If drugs were legal, they would without a doubt be signifcantly safer. You'd also have drug companies researching new designer drugs which would be safer than anything available now is, since doing so would lead to massive profits. Criminalizing drugs has done nothing except make them unsafe while enriching extremely evil men.
 
[quote name='Drocket']If drugs were legal, they would without a doubt be signifcantly safer. You'd also have drug companies researching new designer drugs which would be safer than anything available now is, since doing so would lead to massive profits. Criminalizing drugs has done nothing except make them unsafe while enriching extremely evil men.[/quote]

If christianity goes out of vogue in our lifetimes, I expect a 180 from the American government, who will no doubt subsidize production of Soma on a grand scale.
 
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