Microsoft: "It's almost over. Sony is almost finished."

I think GT3-A-spec is in the top 3 or top 5. too lazy to search for it..
 
[quote name='daroga']That surprises me a lot, but is very true. I mean, the games are great, but in my mind Racing Sims seem so niche, even more so than an arcadey racer like Burnout. But, I guess that shows what I know![/QUOTE]

Yea, I was extremely surprised too actually. The PS2/PS1 had plenty of titles that, I thought, would appeal more to the masses than Gran Turismo (From Wikipedia):

PS1
# Gran Turismo (10.5 million)
# Final Fantasy VII (9.8 million, includes Final Fantasy VII International)
# Gran Turismo 2 (8.5 million)
# Tomb Raider II (8 million)
# Tomb Raider (7 million)
# Crash Bandicoot (6.8 million)

PS2
# Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13 million)
# Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (12 million)
# Grand Theft Auto III (11 million)
# Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (11 million)
# Gran Turismo 4 (8.79 million)
# Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million)
# Kingdom Hearts (5.6 million shipped)

I think most of the sales are from outside of the U.S., which is probably why I was surprised. From people I see here, it just doesn't seem a series that would be THAT popular.
 
Gran Turismo is serious business.

Those kinds of racers are big in the US, but even bigger outside.
Europe and Japan are all about car racing in real life.
 
Gran Turismo is dead to me as a series. It hasn't changed near enough over the years and has been way too much about the look without really advancing anything in gameplay since GT3, and in some ways GT2. Online play might help, but realistic racing sims just don't have a dynamic enough experience to be interesting for a long time. Some people might enjoy trying to perfectly replicate a method of driving for 30-40 hours but it gets old quick for me. I think it's a limited appeal title for gearheads and Speed TV freaks.

Games like burnout can have much more appeal because they're actually fun, and take advantage of the gaming medium to create a new experience.

As for Sony, well they have a long way to go. That's all there is to it, they are absolutely attempting to climb out of an increasingly deep hole. I don't think they'll be able to recover this generation, but who knows? PS3 doesn't even register on my radar (due to price and lack of interesting titles) when I think of this generation of gaming, and that's sad.
 
Microsoft wouldn't have thrown Forza at us if Gran Turismo wasn't a serious title. I used to spend hours upon hours playing Gran Turismo A Spec, it was probably the best selling game on PS2. and don't forget the fact that it was so popular, Sony made a PS2 bundle with Gran Turismo 3. I bought that bundle.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']360 is finished in Japan... that's almost certain. why MS didn't comment on that?[/quote]

Their too L33t for Japan anyway.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Gran Turismo is dead to me as a series. It hasn't changed near enough over the years and has been way too much about the look without really advancing anything in gameplay since GT3, and in some ways GT2. Online play might help, but realistic racing sims just don't have a dynamic enough experience to be interesting for a long time. Some people might enjoy trying to perfectly replicate a method of driving for 30-40 hours but it gets old quick for me. I think it's a limited appeal title for gearheads and Speed TV freaks.

Games like burnout can have much more appeal because they're actually fun, and take advantage of the gaming medium to create a new experience.

As for Sony, well they have a long way to go. That's all there is to it, they are absolutely attempting to climb out of an increasingly deep hole. I don't think they'll be able to recover this generation, but who knows? PS3 doesn't even register on my radar (due to price and lack of interesting titles) when I think of this generation of gaming, and that's sad.[/QUOTE]



Its not on your radar, because its not in your price range* ..... but when its at an appropriate price for you, you'll probably like what it has to offer. 500/600 is not a price range for the avg consumer on any product, unless its a laptop of TV.

*price range - meaning what you are willing to pay.
 
Don't forget Madden this year the 360 Madden is outselling the PS2 Madden for once.

If Sony can't get the rest of them to buy a PS3... they are finished :)
 
[quote name='jer7583']Gran Turismo is dead to me as a series. It hasn't changed near enough over the years and has been way too much about the look without really advancing anything in gameplay since GT3, and in some ways GT2. Online play might help, but realistic racing sims just don't have a dynamic enough experience to be interesting for a long time. Some people might enjoy trying to perfectly replicate a method of driving for 30-40 hours but it gets old quick for me. I think it's a limited appeal title for gearheads and Speed TV freaks.

Games like burnout can have much more appeal because they're actually fun, and take advantage of the gaming medium to create a new experience.

As for Sony, well they have a long way to go. That's all there is to it, they are absolutely attempting to climb out of an increasingly deep hole. I don't think they'll be able to recover this generation, but who knows? PS3 doesn't even register on my radar (due to price and lack of interesting titles) when I think of this generation of gaming, and that's sad.[/QUOTE]

I don't know about you, man, but I'm just sick of all the cynicism.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']Excuse you? Competition is what's best for the gaming community.[/QUOTE]


Huh? I said I hope that the console war is close, as in, there is no dominant console, as that is what's best for the community.... Not sure what you thought I meant with that.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']360 is finished in Japan... that's almost certain. why MS didn't comment on that?[/quote]Why would they?
 
Gran Turismo bores me and I'm being cynical? How about doing something new with the series? How about getting rid of the bumper car gameplay? How about some damage modeling? How about online play? How about some customization? How about any of the advancements other series have made? GT was groundbreaking when it was first released, now it's just a graphics showcase for Sony.

To be fair, I never enjoyed Forza either. They're good for some people, but I think Burnout and other racers not bound by simulation and realism are much more fun overall.
 
In defense of racers like Forza and GT. They're supposed to be sims focused on realistic driving using well known licensed cars. They're for people who want something like the experience of racing one of those expensive cars without actually buying one.
 
[quote name='Apossum']I don't think anyone thinks any of these companies will die off...the only company who could feasibly "die" is nintendo, but they've done a 180 in the past few years.[/QUOTE]

That's my point. People assume that just because Sony has a somewhat decent chance at finishing third this gen, they're finished as a company.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']That's my point. People assume that just because Sony has a somewhat decent chance at finishing third this gen, they're finished as a company.[/quote]Finished as a company? No. But both Microsoft and Sony could fessibly cut off their respective games divisions if they proved to be getting in the way of the rest of the company excelling.

I don't really think that's likely to happen, but it is possible.
 
Nintendo was never going anywhere.

Or at least that's what this guy said:

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Oh good. I need to send Microsoft and email thanking them for letting me know so I can sell my PS3 now and buy a 360.

It should have been obvious though, PS3 has only sold like...6 consoles. The rest are sitting on the shelves.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']That's my point. People assume that just because Sony has a somewhat decent chance at finishing third this gen, they're finished as a company.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

not happening. little known fact-- their most profitable division is insurance (or something random like that.)

MS probably has the least riding on the console race (not a coincidence that they are also the richest.)
 
As long as Sony can get blu ray on the market, they'll be fine. Sony's fighting two wars.

What Sony needs to do is keep pushing, high quality, HD games, BIG 50gb HD games that actually Can't be done on 360. If the PS3 can consistently show that its the most powerful system [via games on shelf] then the 360 is finished. PS2 wasn't the king in 2 years... it wasn't until they got the slew of GTA titles, that put the PS2 on top. Right now the PS3 is still releasing launch games vs the 360s second generation of games. What happens when PS3 hits it second generation of games... next year? UT3 is the first 2nd generation game on ps3. Will the Wii even have a second generation... will their fans be willing to play games not on par with the standards (for graphics) set by 360 and PS3. How can a Wii fan buy a racing game on Wii ever, with games like Forza, PGR 4, and Gran Turismo on the other side of the gate. Casual gamers aren't loyal to anyone, not like hardcore gamers. I wouldn't pick a winner, until everyone gets their big games going.

[- Metroid 2... Wii's second generation game]- can anygame on Wii look better than Metroid 2?
 
[quote name='daroga']Why would they?[/QUOTE]


they won't... on one side of the gate, they're trash talking, and on the other side they're getting punked.
 
[quote name='dallow']Yeah, I know a couple people who bought a PS3 just for the GT:HD download.
They're GT freaks and it's pretty much all they've been waiting for.[/quote]
You know, I'm a serious GT freak--own all 4 versions, with a few hundred play hours on each--and I was pretty much resigned to the fact that I'd have to buy a PS3 to get GT5, even if there were no other games I was interested in. I have a few friends in the same boat, including one who calls his PS2 the "Gran Turismo machine" because it's never seen any games other than the GT series or Tourist Trophy.

Forza 2 changed all that. Those of us who have it (4 out of 5 at this point) no longer see a need for GT5. It's THAT good. Now, granted, not everyone's situation will be the same, but not everybody who played GT in the past will need to buy a PS3 to continue to do so. My one friend who has one (bought primarily as a $350 Blu-Ray player) is undecided on whether he'll actually pick it up. Those of us who don't currently own a PS3 don't plan to buy one for GT5.

Again, it will sell consoles because it's a hugely popular series, but I highly doubt it will sell anywhere NEAR the number of consoles that GT2 and GT3 did, if only because it's no longer the only game in town.
 
There have been 5 million PS3 systems sold through August of 2007. It's in a distant third - but selling 5 million of a $500/600 system that has "OMG NOE GAMEZ!" So we can only imagine what sales will be like once, y'know, the price drops to $400 and the games are ample (and they roll out Resistance and the rest of the $20 GH line).

I really, really, really think that the "Sony is doomed" nonsense merely came about as a consequence of people's inability to sell the PS3 for $3000 on eBay after launch. Somehow, the irrationality of taking a "Jesus Tapdancing Christ this is one expensive console!" to a "maybe I can sell it for a BILLION DOLLARS" wasn't foreseen, and, as a consequence, the average consumer's unwillingness to pay $1500-2000 for a PS3 was somehow an indication that nobody wanted to buy a PS3.

Which, as we can see, is not true. Color me shocked that consumers are adopting a $250 console at a faster rate than a $500 console; but, as I will continue to say (and make the poor man spin in his grave), I'll paraphrase Mark Twain: The rumors of the PS3's death have been greatly exaggerated.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Gran Turismo is dead to me as a series. It hasn't changed near enough over the years and has been way too much about the look without really advancing anything in gameplay since GT3, and in some ways GT2. Online play might help, but realistic racing sims just don't have a dynamic enough experience to be interesting for a long time. Some people might enjoy trying to perfectly replicate a method of driving for 30-40 hours but it gets old quick for me. I think it's a limited appeal title for gearheads and Speed TV freaks.

Games like burnout can have much more appeal because they're actually fun, and take advantage of the gaming medium to create a new experience.

As for Sony, well they have a long way to go. That's all there is to it, they are absolutely attempting to climb out of an increasingly deep hole. I don't think they'll be able to recover this generation, but who knows? PS3 doesn't even register on my radar (due to price and lack of interesting titles) when I think of this generation of gaming, and that's sad.[/quote]

This is just disgustingly silly.

You've been a member of this board for 3 years and you really THINK all that? Fine, I'll go ahead and open the door for you, since the sun is so bright out and you've missed all that healthy sunshine.

Let's analyze the 360 Sales versus PS3 sales at a deeper angle. A side by side chronical comparison.

360salesze8.jpg


ps3salesth1.jpg


The total of 360 sales in Quarter 1 & 2 combined is 1,300,000 roughly. Remember, quarter 2 ends at the end of June, so those are sales calculated from January 1st to June 30th/31st.

From November 11th/17th until now, PS3 has sold 4.28 million units. They didn't hit the 1 million mark until January, so you can't take 1 million from the month extra calculation, even if, being generous, you took away 1 million sales for the extra months in calculation, the PS3 at the least, has sold 3 million in Quarter 1 & 2.

No, it's not losing the console HD race. It's winning it. 360 is just attempting to make people believe otherwise, by going based off total sales.

*News Flash* When did the 360 debut? November 22nd, 2005. Was the Nintendo Wii around? No. The only system Microsoft had to compete with during that season was the Playstation 2 and people were ready for new systems.

Even with the Nintendo Wii, the 360's strong community and a lackluster holiday performance, (Close to 1 million world wide versus 4.4 million 360 sales) Sony managed to catch up to 360's pace they were holding in 2006 when their system had its Q1 and Q2 period.

Don't forget Gears of War. Gears of War went platinum at launch, something not even Zelda could do. Gears of War sold a lot of systems in December.

360 isn't "winning" anything. It only WON 2006. 2007 shouldn't factor sales from 2006 and 2005 so the whole "11.4 million worldwide" is a moot number. If you want the real sales figures for 2007 to know who's doing better, I'll fill you in:

For the year of 2007 the scores are:
1) Nintendo Wii
2) Playstation 3
3) Xbox 360

Now don't get me wrong, Halo 3 is definitely going to turn the tide, but it's going to be a CLOSE war, especially if Sony has a holiday price drop.

Sony is far from dead in the console wars.
 
On the other hand nameless, despite how much I like my PS3 (And 360 too), you still have to look at things from the here and now standpoint.

Sony is still in third even though technically, the others got a head start. They're all in the same race though. It's like a racing game, but scored in different ways by different people. Some take the rally approach where you try to get the best time, others go for whoever finishes first with time not mattering.

It's been a sticking point with developers/publishers too, which is why the stupid execs at places like Square are going on and on about the PS3 not selling, when the fact is its sold pretty well.

So, I say, cut Sony a bit of slack because it really is just its first year games. MS had some good games, mainly shooters, for its first year games. Sony also has some good first year games. But we won't be seeing some of the real blockbuster games until early 2008 at the very least.
 
[quote name='NamelessMC']The total of 360 sales in Quarter 1 & 2 combined is 1,300,000 roughly. Remember, quarter 2 ends at the end of June, so those are sales calculated from January 1st to June 30th/31st.

From November 11th/17th until now, PS3 has sold 4.28 million units. They didn't hit the 1 million mark until January, so you can't take 1 million from the month extra calculation, even if, being generous, you took away 1 million sales for the extra months in calculation, the PS3 at the least, has sold 3 million in Quarter 1 & 2.[/quote]
What are you talking about?

You're including the PS3's holiday 2006 sales (also it's launch, and PS3 sale rates have dropped drastically since then), but not the 360's? Are you just looking the other way on the 4.4 million units that 360 sold in Q4 2006 (according to the chart you provided)? You also under-estimate PS3 sales for 2006, and give it a few extra months in world wide sales and cut the 360 off in July.

Check the NPDs. In the US, the 360 has outsold the PS3 in every month of 2007. In PS3's defense, the 360 is basically DOA in Japan, so it picks up an advantage there. Of course, Japan is a smaller market than either the US or Japan, so while it's outselling the 360 by a factor of 10-to-1, it's still only selling 10,000 systems a week.

People are hesitant to call this generation, but the PS3's sales trends definitely aren't helping its cause. If it were to have any chance of catching up to the 360 (for second place mind you), then it would have to start consistently outselling it in all available markets. It's consistently outselling it in one (Japan), and being consistently outsold by it in all other markets (everywhere else).
 
[quote name='evilmax17']What are you talking about?

You're including the PS3's holiday 2006 sales (also it's launch, and PS3 sale rates have dropped drastically since then), but not the 360's? Are you just looking the other way on the 4.4 million units that 360 sold in Q4 2006 (according to the chart you provided)? You also under-estimate PS3 sales for 2006, and give it a few extra months in world wide sales and cut the 360 off in July.

Check the NPDs. In the US, the 360 has outsold the PS3 in every month of 2007. In PS3's defense, the 360 is basically DOA in Japan, so it picks up an advantage there. Of course, Japan is a smaller market than either the US or Japan, so while it's outselling the 360 by a factor of 10-to-1, it's still only selling 10,000 systems a week.

People are hesitant to call this generation, but the PS3's sales trends definitely aren't helping its cause. If it were to have any chance of catching up to the 360 (for second place mind you), then it would have to start consistently outselling it in all available markets. It's consistently outselling it in one (Japan), and being consistently outsold by it in all other markets (everywhere else).[/quote]

Read what I said, I said you can't discount more than 1 million because Sony made that whole "1 million in January" speech.

I said at the most you can discount 1-1.2 million for the holiday and extra month.

Who cares how much 360 sold in holidays 2006. That has NOTHING to do with 2007, at all. They're not the same year, period.

Microsoft's big speech in this thread is ENTIRELY about this year. They even say, "Sony will be done for this holiday season". They're not talking about the entire life span. They'd be IDIOTS to make that kind of speech because Sony has guaranteed their part in this console and the next console race just on PS2 sales and PSP sales alone. Same thing with Nintendo. No matter HOW badly the N64 and Gamecube did, Nintendo STILL came out with the Wii. Why? Because of handheld sales.
 
[quote name='NamelessMC']This is just disgustingly silly.

You've been a member of this board for 3 years and you really THINK all that? Fine, I'll go ahead and open the door for you, since the sun is so bright out and you've missed all that healthy sunshine.

Let's analyze the 360 Sales versus PS3 sales at a deeper angle. A side by side chronical comparison.

360salesze8.jpg


ps3salesth1.jpg


The total of 360 sales in Quarter 1 & 2 combined is 1,300,000 roughly. Remember, quarter 2 ends at the end of June, so those are sales calculated from January 1st to June 30th/31st.

From November 11th/17th until now, PS3 has sold 4.28 million units. They didn't hit the 1 million mark until January, so you can't take 1 million from the month extra calculation, even if, being generous, you took away 1 million sales for the extra months in calculation, the PS3 at the least, has sold 3 million in Quarter 1 & 2.

No, it's not losing the console HD race. It's winning it. 360 is just attempting to make people believe otherwise, by going based off total sales.

*News Flash* When did the 360 debut? November 22nd, 2005. Was the Nintendo Wii around? No. The only system Microsoft had to compete with during that season was the Playstation 2 and people were ready for new systems.

Even with the Nintendo Wii, the 360's strong community and a lackluster holiday performance, (Close to 1 million world wide versus 4.4 million 360 sales) Sony managed to catch up to 360's pace they were holding in 2006 when their system had its Q1 and Q2 period.

Don't forget Gears of War. Gears of War went platinum at launch, something not even Zelda could do. Gears of War sold a lot of systems in December.

360 isn't "winning" anything. It only WON 2006. 2007 shouldn't factor sales from 2006 and 2005 so the whole "11.4 million worldwide" is a moot number. If you want the real sales figures for 2007 to know who's doing better, I'll fill you in:

For the year of 2007 the scores are:
1) Nintendo Wii
2) Playstation 3
3) Xbox 360

Now don't get me wrong, Halo 3 is definitely going to turn the tide, but it's going to be a CLOSE war, especially if Sony has a holiday price drop.

Sony is far from dead in the console wars.[/QUOTE]

I don't see why you can't count the 360s already sold... it really isn't fair if you don't. For instance, this year I bought a PS3, but I would have bought a 360, if I didn't already own one. Yes, the ps3 may have better numbers this year....but who really cares, marketshare is what matters, not who sold more consoles in a subset of months.
 
Sony's presence in Japan is too strong to say that they are doomed. The Xbox brand will probably never sell well in Japan no matter what they do and so Nintendo and Sony will always have a strong market in Asia to support future consoles. Sony is just in a rut, like Nintendo was during the N64 - Gamecube days. I'm sure it will take a lot more than finishing third in the current generation to make Sony throw in the towel. Not to mention the PS2 is still going on strong everywhere.
 
[quote name='NamelessMC'] Blah Blah Skewed Numbers Blah Blah [/QUOTE]

I'll be honest I didn't even read it, but you obviously misread my statement as well. I don't care about the PS3. This generation has games for 360 and Wii for me, and that's it as far as my perception goes. Whos fault is that? Sonys. It's not my responsibility to care. They're selling something to me, and they're failing.

I don't see how anyone could not say that they have the best chance of being third this generation. They'll do fine, and they'll sell enough, but they are absolutely going to be 3rd this generation. Why can't people be okay with that? GameCube was 3rd last gen, and that had plenty of good stuff to play. Who cares?
 
[quote name='Thomas96']What Sony needs to do is keep pushing, high quality, HD games, BIG 50gb HD games that actually Can't be done on 360.[/quote]

Yeah, like that SIXAXIS controlin' and Bluray capacity usin' system mover, Lair.

[quote name='Thomas96']If the PS3 can consistently show that its the most powerful system [via games on shelf] then the 360 is finished.[/quote]

Right. Just like the superior power of the Xbox let it crush the PS2.

[quote name='Thomas96']PS2 wasn't the king in 2 years... it wasn't until they got the slew of GTA titles, that put the PS2 on top.[/quote]

Actually it was king the first christmas, when Twisted Metal: Black and Devil May Cry hit, and there was no Microsoft presence to speak of. The GTA phenomena did come later, but Sony had already set their position by then.

[quote name='Thomas96']Right now the PS3 is still releasing launch games vs the 360s second generation of games.[/quote]

Launch games don't come out ten months after the system.

[quote name='Thomas96']What happens when PS3 hits it second generation of games... next year? UT3 is the first 2nd generation game on ps3. Will the Wii even have a second generation... .[/quote]

Don't you say Metroid is second gen, below? Pick a position already.

[quote name='Thomas96']will their fans be willing to play games not on par with the standards (for graphics) set by 360 and PS3.[/quote]

Because Wii graphics have come close to 360/PS3 caliber so far?

[quote name='Thomas96']How can a Wii fan buy a racing game on Wii ever, with games like Forza, PGR 4, and Gran Turismo on the other side of the gate.[/quote]

Because sims are dull. Because they don't want to pony up $400 ~ $600 dollars. The list is endless.

[quote name='Thomas96']Casual gamers aren't loyal to anyone, not like hardcore gamers.[/quote]

According to ... you? This information is substantiated by ... what? Casual gamers are "loyal" to the games they enjoy and the money they spend.

[quote name='Thomas96']I wouldn't pick a winner, until everyone gets their big games going.[/quote]

Yeah, well, your track record is ironclad so far.

[quote name='Thomas96'][- Metroid 2... Wii's second generation game]- can anygame on Wii look better than Metroid 2?[/quote]

How does the Wii have second generation games while the PS3 is still on launch games, when they launched within days of each other?

Sony isn't going anywhere, and that 30% surge MS is expecting is insanely high, so I don't really have a dog in this race, but jesus christmas, man, where do you get this happy horseshit?
 
[quote name='trq']Yeah, like that SIXAXIS controlin' and Bluray capacity usin' system mover, Lair.



Right. Just like the superior power of the Xbox let it crush the PS2.



Actually it was king the first christmas, when Twisted Metal: Black and Devil May Cry hit, and there was no Microsoft presence to speak of. The GTA phenomena did come later, but Sony had already set their position by then.



Launch games don't come out ten months after the system.



Don't you say Metroid is second gen, below? Pick a position already.



Because Wii graphics have come close to 360/PS3 caliber so far?



Because sims are dull. Because they don't want to pony up $400 ~ $600 dollars. The list is endless.



According to ... you? This information is substantiated by ... what? Casual gamers are "loyal" to the games they enjoy and the money they spend.



Yeah, well, your track record is ironclad so far.



How does the Wii have second generation games while the PS3 is still on launch games, when they launched within days of each other?

Sony isn't going anywhere, and that 30% surge MS is expecting is insanely high, so I don't really have a dog in this race, but jesus christmas, man, where do you get this happy horseshit?[/QUOTE]



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[quote name='Chacrana']Only fags play as Neko-Arc, fag.[/QUOTE]



winning with neko arc = perma-taunt
 
[quote name='jer7583']I'll be honest I didn't even read it, but you obviously misread my statement as well. I don't care about the PS3. This generation has games for 360 and Wii for me, and that's it as far as my perception goes. Whos fault is that? Sonys. It's not my responsibility to care. They're selling something to me, and they're failing.

I don't see how anyone could not say that they have the best chance of being third this generation. They'll do fine, and they'll sell enough, but they are absolutely going to be 3rd this generation. Why can't people be okay with that? GameCube was 3rd last gen, and that had plenty of good stuff to play. Who cares?[/QUOTE]
I wish I had the power to see into the future too
 
[quote name='NamelessMC']360 isn't "winning" anything. It only WON 2006. 2007 shouldn't factor sales from 2006 and 2005 so the whole "11.4 million worldwide" is a moot number. If you want the real sales figures for 2007 to know who's doing better, I'll fill you in:

For the year of 2007 the scores are:
1) Nintendo Wii
2) Playstation 3
3) Xbox 360[/quote]
Sorry, try again. Vgchartz (notoriously inaccurate, but they can't POSSIBLY be wrong enough for the results to come out different) has the YTD numbers for the NA market of 2007 at:

1) Wii 3.57M
2) 360 2.06M
3) PS3 1.27M

That's not even REMOTELY close. If you'd like me to add up NPD numbers, I'd be more than happy, but Vgchartz tends to skew in favor of the PS3 for some reason, so I would advise you not to ask.
 
To say the PS3 is doomed this early on is a little bit exaggerated. But truthfully, who cares. I have a PS3, but personally, I could care less who sells more systems, as long as there are enjoyable games on the system(s) I own. But like others have said, I think after next year, once the PS3 has had another run of the yearly released games, we'll have a better indication of how this gen will shape up.
 
So MS thinks Sony's gonna lose. Just like Sony thinks MS will lose. Just like Nintendo believes it already won. Who cares, I just want to play some games already.
 
3rd place does not equal doomed. Maybe less 3rd party support and dev time, but not doomed. It will be okay, sony fans..
 
[quote name='jer7583']3rd place does not equal doomed. Maybe less 3rd party support and dev time, but not doomed. It will be okay, sony fans..[/QUOTE]
But you say it as it's fact that the PS3 will come in 3rd, which doing so this early is laughable.

I mean, back when the xbox came out people could have said it probably would die out soon and that looked highly probable. People would most likely laugh at the idea of there being another Xbox in the future.

Then Halo came out, and systems started to sell and good games started to come out and it outsold the Gamecube (at least in the US)

So case in point, saying something like that so early is ignorant.
 
I'd say wait until later 2008 when they finally have the stuff they've been working on released. Home, firmware 2.0, all those PS3 games in development. Then we'll compare the two directly.

Right now it's perfectly valid to say that the PS3 is lagging behind, but to say its dead, well that's foolishness.
 
[quote name='whoknows']But you say it as it's fact that the PS3 will come in 3rd, which doing so this early is laughable.

I mean, back when the xbox came out people could have said it probably would die out soon and that looked highly probable. People would most likely laugh at the idea of there being another Xbox in the future.

Then Halo came out, and systems started to sell and good games started to come out and it outsold the Gamecube (at least in the US)

So case in point, saying something like that so early is ignorant.[/quote]
Halo was a launch title, available on day 1.

Predicting that the PS3 will finish in third isn't so ignorant, quite the opposite in fact. In every console race that we've seen, a system's standing was pretty much solidified after its first year of release (or after the first year of its competition's release). All three systems have been in direct competition with each other for just about a year, and some very predictable sales trends have developed.

Are MGS4 and FFXIII enough to completely and permanently change these established sales trends, and buck a precedent that has already been set by nearly 40 years of videogame history?

Should the PS3 rise against the odds and finish in second (or hell, even first), then it would be the first console ever to achieve such a feat.

In this regard, PS3 finishing in third is a relatively safe assumption, not a laughable one. Sure, it could defy the odds, but the odds are indeed stacked against it.
 
[quote name='Vanigan']I'd say wait until later 2008 when they finally have the stuff they've been working on released. Home, firmware 2.0, all those PS3 games in development. Then we'll compare the two directly.

Right now it's perfectly valid to say that the PS3 is lagging behind, but to say its dead, well that's foolishness.[/quote]

agreed, 360 does have ninja gaiden 2 to look forward to in 08, but the ps3 list is very impressive.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']You see evilmax, historical precedent no longer has any value. Why?

Because.[/quote]

......the market changes so quickly each generation that it's hard to make bold claims about what's going to happen. In 2000 everyone was ready and willing for a nice cheap DVD player. 6 years later and Sony tries the same strategy but amplified and it doesn't work so well. Nobody ever thought that a Nintendo console would be leading this generation in sales. Nobody would buy the were. Sony console at launch because of how reliable the PS2's launch consoles, etc.
 
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Aww, I was going to post an MK pic with the words "Flawless Victory" prominently displayed, but you beat me to the punch (by about 5 hours :lol: )

Nothing kills a fanboy's credit liked horribly inaccurate statements.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']You see evilmax, historical precedent no longer has any value. Why?

Because.[/QUOTE]

The thing the SDF can't seem to wrap there head around is that the PS2 is nothing like the PS3, and is more like the original Xbox.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']The thing the SDF can't seem to wrap there head around is that the PS2 is nothing like the PS3, and is more like the original Xbox.[/QUOTE]

Based on...? I'd like to see you elaborate on this a bit, because it just seems like unsupportable nonsense to me. I can see parallels between the 360 and PS2 based on the expectation of the imminent death of one's own console, but that's about it.

I think the notion of the "SDF" is tired and overwrought, if only because it suggests that *only* PS3 owners are irrational thinking types emotionally attached to a single brand/console. Which, of course, if one glances in the 360/Wii forums (or handhelds as well), they'll find much the same, truth be told. There are, unarguably, "XDF" and "NDF" as well. Why single out one brand for that kind of constant berating? This is merely something most all single-brand "hardcore gamers" do.

If you don't like the PS3, that's fine. I can understand that. If you think that *perhaps* you'll buy one in the future once more titles are released and/or a second price drop happens, I can understand that. But this phony moral grandstanding that somehow only people who like the PS3 are the absurd ones this time around needs to stop. It's tired, it's boring, and it's wrong.
 
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