Microsoft says the PSP is likely to fail

One of the oddist bits in this generation, is how much respect MS has for Nintendo....quite surprising really.
 
umm.

Micro$oft = Biased

It's in their best interst to put the worst face on a competators product especially when they themselves were concidering getting into the SAME market.
 
[quote name='Alpha2']umm.

Micro$oft = Biased

It's in their best interst to put the worst face on a competators product especially when they themselves were concidering getting into the SAME market.[/quote]

They considered it, but then didn't. They aren't in that market, so I think they might be less biased than, say, Nintendo or Sony, who were bashing each other a week or so ago when the PSP prices were revealed.
 
Microsoft is quite biased. They can say what they will, but I'd sooner buy a PSP than a X-BOX. There are only about 3 or 4 interesting games for the system in the US.
 
PSP is a much more appealing handheld in terms of design... So I'm sure the rich people with Ipods are going to prefer them to the DS...

Gameboy Advance will not be topped by either the PSP or Nintendo's own DS... Nintendo's handheld success with the GB and GBA is amazing, and they've been raking in money for 15 years because of it.
 
First, how many "good" games do you think are going to be out for the PSP that it's worth spending $200 on?
Second, I believe there are more than 5 good games for the Xbox, but I won't argue that point since you're an obvious PS fanboy. I myself have all 3 systems and I have to say they all have strengths. PS2 gets most good RPGs, Xbox has superior graphics and loading times, and Gamecube has some really good GC only titles.
 
Yeah, I think the battery life is a BIG concern about the PSP also. They said, it will get better in the future....so, wait for PSP2 ;)
 
Of course Microsoft wants it to fail. If Sony loses money in the game market that helps Microsoft in the console wars. By printing this it helps their cause and hurts Sony.
 
[quote name='dental_regurgitation']...So I'm sure the rich people with Ipods are going to prefer them to the DS...[/quote]
Well, rich doesn't always mean well informed. As we all know IPods aren't the best jukebox player out there.
 
[quote name='Indiana']Of course Microsoft wants it to fail. If Sony loses money in the game market that helps Microsoft in the console wars. By printing this it helps their cause and hurts Sony.[/quote]

exactly, maybe microsoft is trying to put a bad name on the psp because they will be the only ones without a hand held system, and they know they could never touch nintendo's hand held following
 
[quote name='article']Nintendo's dominance of the handheld market makes Sony's launch "like developing your own little operating system and saying, 'Well, I'm going to challenge Windows'..."[/quote]

Does likening the PSP to Linux make anyone else actually want it more, or is it just me?
 
having a PSP for a collector's item more than a console will probably be my method... If it fails, I'll keep it in good condition, and show it to people in 10 years...
 
[quote name='Wshakspear']One of the oddist bits in this generation, is how much respect MS has for Nintendo....quite surprising really.[/quote]

I was just about to say that.

Nintendo Microsoft know that they are aimed towards different people, and don't hate each other over it.

But both Nintendo and Microsoft hate Sony and want them to fail.
 
the PSP two main problems:

Battery Life. The whole gaming community myself incuded waited and waited for a battery life confirmation. 2-6 hrs is what we got. Some games could make the battery life in lower than two hours. Not acceptable.

Cost. Then cost estimated at about $200 dollars, more than any current console. This to me is the thing that brings it down the most. Also consider that games will cost $30-$50 and a weak battery life just make the PSP not appealing.

Plus most of the launch titles shown are games that are availble for the home consoles or the PSone era.

I not sold on the DS either I gotta try this thing before hand and see some better titles after launch to merit a purchase.

As far as the handheld market is concerned no one beats the GBA SP.
Game selection, price, battery life and style.
 
[quote name='dental_regurgitation']Gameboy Advance will not be topped by either the PSP or Nintendo's own DS... Nintendo's handheld success with the GB and GBA is amazing, and they've been raking in money for 15 years because of it.[/quote]

The DS isnt supposed to "top" the GBA it's supposed to compliment it and create an expanded userbase... the thing is, to do that they have to make games other than ports of GBA games. I hope to see more original titles announced soon.


Battery Life. The whole gaming community myself incuded waited and waited for a battery life confirmation. 2-6 hrs is what we got. Some games could make the battery life in lower than two hours. Not acceptable.

Cost. Then cost estimated at about $200 dollars, more than any current console. This to me is the thing that brings it down the most. Also consider that games will cost $30-$50 and a weak battery life just make the PSP not appealing.

Plus most of the launch titles shown are games that are availble for the home consoles or the PSone era.[/quote]

Actually the original estimate was 4-6 hours, then Kutaragi said hard core games might drop it to 2-3 hours.

New technology will always cost more, the DS costs more than a Cube! and the PS2 is a 4 year old system what the hell do you expect?

And launch titles are PSone games? have you even looked at the list? yeah there maybe a bunch of PS2 dupes but that statment is just a little ridiculous.
 
[quote name='Alpha2'][quote name='dental_regurgitation']Gameboy Advance will not be topped by either the PSP or Nintendo's own DS... Nintendo's handheld success with the GB and GBA is amazing, and they've been raking in money for 15 years because of it.[/quote]

The DS isnt supposed to "top" the GBA it's supposed to compliment it and create an expanded userbase... the thing is, to do that they have to make games other than ports of GBA games. I hope to see more original titles announced soon.[/quote]

Isn't it great DS games are ports of GBA games which are often ports of SNES games, how long can they keep it up :lol:
 
Listen, I'm getting a DS instead of a PSP this year, but I, for one, am glad to see Sony jumping in the hand-held market. Not only did it force Nintendo to 1) come up with something as geeky-cool as the DS, but it 2) also brought about a $150 price tag. Plus, since Sony knows what it has to do to compete, their fancy system is only a few dollars more...instead of the $300 I was certain it was going to launch at.

Competition is a good thing, and I hope both systems thrive, because in the long run it means better systems, games, and prices for us CAGers.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Isn't it great DS games are ports of GBA games which are often ports of SNES games, how long can they keep it up :lol:[/quote]

I wouldnt say it's THAT bad, between Metroid and Mario they've atleast made an attempt to branch out into porting form systems other than SNES.
 
[quote name='Alpha2'][quote name='zionoverfire']Isn't it great DS games are ports of GBA games which are often ports of SNES games, how long can they keep it up :lol:[/quote]

I wouldnt say it's THAT bad, between Metroid and Mario they've atleast made an attempt to branch out into porting form systems other than SNES.[/quote]

Oh its not that bad, but I do see an interesting trend :D, but I guess I can also include the NES since they did make the classic series.
 
[quote name='icemanjmw13']First, how many "good" games do you think are going to be out for the PSP that it's worth spending $200 on?
Second, I believe there are more than 5 good games for the Xbox, but I won't argue that point since you're an obvious PS fanboy. I myself have all 3 systems and I have to say they all have strengths. PS2 gets most good RPGs, Xbox has superior graphics and loading times, and Gamecube has some really good GC only titles.[/quote]

I am not a PS fanboy at all. SCEA is a crappy company. I just don't like most American developed games as I dislike FPS, PC Styled RPG's, Sports, War Games, etc... X-BOX lacks Anime-styled RPG's in the US. Thus, most of what I would want a system for is eliminated. Just because someone dislikes a system, does not mean they are the fanboy of another system. I have 13 different video game systems, only 2 of which are Sony. I want a GameCube as well. You shouldn't label people as fanboys based on such a post.
 
[quote name='dental_regurgitation']having a PSP for a collector's item more than a console will probably be my method... If it fails, I'll keep it in good condition, and show it to people in 10 years...[/quote]

I tend to do that with my poor and underrated NeoGeo Pocket Color. Though, I do play it and bought it to play.
 
[quote name='SeraphiMichael'][quote name='icemanjmw13']First, how many "good" games do you think are going to be out for the PSP that it's worth spending $200 on?
Second, I believe there are more than 5 good games for the Xbox, but I won't argue that point since you're an obvious PS fanboy. I myself have all 3 systems and I have to say they all have strengths. PS2 gets most good RPGs, Xbox has superior graphics and loading times, and Gamecube has some really good GC only titles.[/quote]

I am not a PS fanboy at all. SCEA is a crappy company. I just don't like most American developed games as I dislike FPS, PC Styled RPG's, Sports, War Games, etc... X-BOX lacks Anime-styled RPG's in the US. Thus, most of what I would want a system for is eliminated. Just because someone dislikes a system, does not mean they are the fanboy of another system. I have 13 different video game systems, only 2 of which are Sony. I want a GameCube as well. You shouldn't label people as fanboys based on such a post.[/quote]

What else is there that you do like?
 
I love the fact that Sony sucks so much they go "We know our system (In this case the PSP, but the PS2 was the same.) is flawed but we will rush to release it anyways, and fix it later so people have to buy another one in a year". Thus the reason I will never buy a Sony gaming product.
 
[quote name='SeraphiMichael']Microsoft is quite biased. They can say what they will, but I'd sooner buy a PSP than a X-BOX. There are only about 3 or 4 interesting games for the system in the US.[/quote]

That is just stupid fanboyism.
 
[quote name='David85']I love the fact that Sony sucks so much they go "We know our system (In this case the PSP, but the PS2 was the same.) is flawed but we will rush to release it anyways, and fix it later so people have to buy another one in a year". Thus the reason I will never buy a Sony gaming product.[/quote]

sounds like the PSX in Japan :p
 
[quote name='David85']I love the fact that Sony sucks so much they go "We know our system (In this case the PSP, but the PS2 was the same.) is flawed but we will rush to release it anyways, and fix it later so people have to buy another one in a year". Thus the reason I will never buy a Sony gaming product.[/quote]

hmm, wel I must say that's a bit typical of all sony products they brake, but then of course besides DREs few problems occur with the PS2, but I suppose even if it was bug ridden I'd still prefer it to a platform devoid of 3D party games.l
 
[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='SeraphiMichael']Microsoft is quite biased. They can say what they will, but I'd sooner buy a PSP than a X-BOX. There are only about 3 or 4 interesting games for the system in the US.[/quote]

That is just stupid fanboyism.[/quote]

That's not fanboiesm that's one person's personal preferance, if he said you;re an idiot for buying an xbox that'd be different because it was a personal attack. Instead he said the system dosent offer him anything worth his time.
 
[quote name='brainstorm'][quote name='Indiana']Of course Microsoft wants it to fail. If Sony loses money in the game market that helps Microsoft in the console wars. By printing this it helps their cause and hurts Sony.[/quote]

exactly, maybe microsoft is trying to put a bad name on the psp because they will be the only ones without a hand held system, and they know they could never touch nintendo's hand held following[/quote]

Never say never. During the NES' heyday, who could have imagined that just 15 years later, Nintendo would be relegated to a bit player in the console wars?
 
I swear some people can be so immature with the whole fan-boy thing. Esepcially with all the Halo 2 and GTA: SA fanboys running around. I have no intention of buying a PSP at launch. The only really interesting thing annouced was Makai Wars and who knows if that will get a US release. But I expect more companies to support it, so I think it's likely at some point (And after a price drop) I will get it. Sony hardware is poorly designed. The original Playstation had a laundry list of problems with it. I hear X-BOX breaks at the drop of a hat as well. If anything i'd say Nintendo systems are the sturdiest. As for types of games I like.. Anime-styled RPG's, 2D Fighting, Puzzle, Classic Arcade Games, Sidescroll, Simulation, and some TB Strategy. If anything, isn't it "fanboyism" to start labeling others as such. A poster commented about their annoyance with the bad design with Sony's hardware. I am not jumping up and shouting "Nintendo/Microsoft Fanboy!!"

[quote name='hutno'][quote name='SeraphiMichael'][quote name='icemanjmw13']First, how many "good" games do you think are going to be out for the PSP that it's worth spending $200 on?
Second, I believe there are more than 5 good games for the Xbox, but I won't argue that point since you're an obvious PS fanboy. I myself have all 3 systems and I have to say they all have strengths. PS2 gets most good RPGs, Xbox has superior graphics and loading times, and Gamecube has some really good GC only titles.[/quote]

I am not a PS fanboy at all. SCEA is a crappy company. I just don't like most American developed games as I dislike FPS, PC Styled RPG's, Sports, War Games, etc... X-BOX lacks Anime-styled RPG's in the US. Thus, most of what I would want a system for is eliminated. Just because someone dislikes a system, does not mean they are the fanboy of another system. I have 13 different video game systems, only 2 of which are Sony. I want a GameCube as well. You shouldn't label people as fanboys based on such a post.[/quote]

What else is there that you do like?[/quote]
 
[quote name='anonymouswhoami']
Never say never. 15 years ago, who would have thought that Nintendo would be relegated to a bit player in the console wars?[/quote]

...they're a bit player?
 
Isn't this old news? I dunno but I remember reading about something like this before. Micrsoft did some earlier research on a Xbox portable, but concluded that it just wouldn't be profitable. They're probably running on that assertion.

I'm sure Sony has come up with a different conclusion.
 
[quote name='Alpha2'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='SeraphiMichael']Microsoft is quite biased. They can say what they will, but I'd sooner buy a PSP than a X-BOX. There are only about 3 or 4 interesting games for the system in the US.[/quote]

That is just stupid fanboyism.[/quote]

That's not fanboiesm that's one person's personal preferance, if he said you;re an idiot for buying an xbox that'd be different because it was a personal attack. Instead he said the system dosent offer him anything worth his time.[/quote]

No, that would just be being an asshole. To say that a system with hundreds of titles has fewer good titles than a system that hasn't come out yet is just stupid. You can't be sure of that. Every single one of those games might be terrible. They might be great. No one here knows. The Xbox might not be his cup of tea, but to say that an as of now imaginary system is better than an established system is just ignorant.
 
[quote name='Death2Sanity'][quote name='anonymouswhoami']
Never say never. 15 years ago, who would have thought that Nintendo would be relegated to a bit player in the console wars?[/quote]

...they're a bit player?[/quote]

I hear Nintendo, as far as GC goes, isn't doing so well. I hope that isn't the case. It's a shame Sega left the console business, I'd hate to see Nintendo as well. Dreamcast was a good system and I think GameCube has had it's strong points
 
"it comes from a company which itself challenged a hugely dominant market leader when it launched the Xbox against Sony's PlayStation 2."
 
[quote name='Death2Sanity'][quote name='anonymouswhoami']
Never say never. 15 years ago, who would have thought that Nintendo would be relegated to a bit player in the console wars?[/quote]

...they're a bit player?[/quote]

When the industry leader (Sony) outsells you 5 to 1 (75 million PS2s versus 16 million GCs) and two companies that weren't even in the video game business (Microsoft, Sony) a decade ago sell more consoles than you do, I'd say that makes you a "bit player in the console wars".
 
Sony's first batch of hardware has a bad track record. I'm not willing to take a risk, the disc drive=moving parts very bad for a handheld. One drop and you're done. Buy a warranty.
 
OK well bettery life aint a concern with me cause i cant think of one timje ive ever played a handheld for more than 3 hours. It wil be a porblem on 4 hour movies though. I personally love the idea of haveing a PSP and PS2 version of a game and being able to contine playing a saved game on the PSp that you started on the PS2. I think the PSp will do well. Though i have many doubts on the whole UMD movies, maybe if they have all the new Blu-ray dvd players able to play UMD discs then im sold.
 
[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Alpha2'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='SeraphiMichael']Microsoft is quite biased. They can say what they will, but I'd sooner buy a PSP than a X-BOX. There are only about 3 or 4 interesting games for the system in the US.[/quote]

That is just stupid fanboyism.[/quote]

That's not fanboiesm that's one person's personal preferance, if he said you;re an idiot for buying an xbox that'd be different because it was a personal attack. Instead he said the system dosent offer him anything worth his time.[/quote]

No, that would just be being an asshole. To say that a system with hundreds of titles has fewer good titles than a system that hasn't come out yet is just stupid. You can't be sure of that. Every single one of those games might be terrible. They might be great. No one here knows. The Xbox might not be his cup of tea, but to say that an as of now imaginary system is better than an established system is just ignorant.[/quote]

It is based on the type of games Sony's console gets and the type of games X-BOX has been getting. A lot of the companies I buy games of don't support the system (SquareEnix, Atlus, Nippon Ichi, Bandai, etc..) There are only 3 games I really am interetsed in for X-BOX that I do not have on another system. Those being Metal Slug 3, SVC Chaos, and Black Stone. If the genre's I am interested in getted further developed, I may someday buy one. But so far they haven't.
 
[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Alpha2'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='SeraphiMichael']Microsoft is quite biased. They can say what they will, but I'd sooner buy a PSP than a X-BOX. There are only about 3 or 4 interesting games for the system in the US.[/quote]

That is just stupid fanboyism.[/quote]

That's not fanboiesm that's one person's personal preferance, if he said you;re an idiot for buying an xbox that'd be different because it was a personal attack. Instead he said the system dosent offer him anything worth his time.[/quote]

No, that would just be being an asshole. To say that a system with hundreds of titles has fewer good titles than a system that hasn't come out yet is just stupid. You can't be sure of that. Every single one of those games might be terrible. They might be great. No one here knows. The Xbox might not be his cup of tea, but to say that an as of now imaginary system is better than an established system is just ignorant.[/quote]

Not everyone is gonna love the games on the xbox, man get over it, maybe he implied there would be more games but he never said it. And even if he did the franchiases and titles most associated with playstation are very likely to apprear on the handheld makeing it a good choice if you like what they have.

When you boil it down and think about the type of worth while games that arent on a platform upi own and then remove the games on that list that dont even interest you you can be left with quite a low number, as it stand I can only see 5 or 6 games in my own preferance that I'd buy for the thing if I had it, thus not making it worth my time either. To say that just because you like a bunch of games that another person is ignorant is probably more fanboy-like than what HE said.


Also Nintendo isnt so much a bit player as they are 3rd in a 3 man race, they own the portable market with an iron fist but the console market is hurting for them. I wount concider them a bit player, they still have a voice and people still respect them just not as much as in their 8 and 16bit days.
 
The one thing I have always loved about Nintendo is they have ALWAYS stayed true to gaming. They try new things to enhance gaming. They don't offer DVD players or MP3 players. They offer a solid gaming machine. You always know you are getting your money's worth and a solid product. Even though they are losing the console war they are still making great products. If it wasn't for nintendo gaming today might not exist as we know it.

I am not a fanboy as I own a Playstation 2 among other gaming consoles.

I agree the PSP is good for competetion. It will be nice to see competetion. As for ports that Nintendo makes...as a gamer who was around when the 8-bit Nintendo first came out having those games in the palm of my hands is pretty awesome. The more and more games I have played I realize that Nintendo 1st party games are among the best if not the best. So seeing a handheld mario 64 with more stars, more playable characters, and new mini stylus games is ok by me.

Sony wants to dominate all markets instead of just gaming. They want you to have a mini disc player hooked up to your playstation with their memory sticks while watching movies on there UMD discs. Although we realize that unique formats make things harder to bootleg it also makes me feel that Sony wants my $$$ and lots of it. In actuality it would be great if all home consoles used the same memory cards but then money would be lost by those companies. I realize that all gaming companies use these methods including Nintendo but I can't help but feel Sony could have made a bigger impact by using some more universal
options.

Sony also mentioned that the PSP hardware will get better over time? I would rather stick with the DS and have something I know will work out of the box for a long time. I'll pick up a PSP a ways down the road.
 
I wonder how long it will be before we can't tell the difference between the CAG forums and the Gamefaqs forums.
 
[quote name='SeraphiMichael'][quote name='Death2Sanity'][quote name='anonymouswhoami']
Never say never. 15 years ago, who would have thought that Nintendo would be relegated to a bit player in the console wars?[/quote]

...they're a bit player?[/quote]

I hear Nintendo, as far as GC goes, isn't doing so well. I hope that isn't the case. It's a shame Sega left the console business, I'd hate to see Nintendo as well. Dreamcast was a good system and I think GameCube has had it's strong points[/quote]

Nintendo is last in sales, but still makes more money from their gaming than the other two compind.
 
[quote name='guessed'][quote name='article']Nintendo's dominance of the handheld market makes Sony's launch "like developing your own little operating system and saying, 'Well, I'm going to challenge Windows'..."[/quote]

Does likening the PSP to Linux make anyone else actually want it more, or is it just me?[/quote]

If you get a high capacity memory stick you could run Linux on the PSP, just like you can on the PS2 if you have a HDD.
 
That's really still just an assumption, for all anyone knows the Memory stick will be just as locked down as the 8mb memorycard is on the PS2, and last I heard no one was running anything off of that.
 
[quote name='jkam']Sony also mentioned that the PSP hardware will get better over time? I would rather stick with the DS and have something I know will work out of the box for a long time. I'll pick up a PSP a ways down the road.[/quote]

Yeah, they could pull the same shit that they pulled with the PSX in Japan. All of the people who bought it initially got f-ed cause of hardware upgrades in later versions.
 
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