Microsoft says the PSP is likely to fail

Well frankly you can end facing the same thing with ever system.

The genesis removed it's headphone jack, the PS removed the paralle port and improved it's drive and got 2/3 SMALLER, The PS2 lost the iLink port and gained things like prograssive scan and a built in IO port for the remote, the Gameboy alone has had like 4 or 5 different revisions in it's lifetime!

Technology will always get better the longer you wait for it. Early adopters pay for the privlage of owning a product first with the possible cost of cooler features or improved design later on.
 
[quote name='"Alpha2"']umm.

Micro$oft = Biased

It's in their best interst to put the worst face on a competators product especially when they themselves were concidering getting into the SAME market.[/quote]

EXACTLY. Like M$ is going to give Sony a pat on the back.
 
[quote name='anonymouswhoami'][quote name='Death2Sanity'][quote name='anonymouswhoami']
Never say never. 15 years ago, who would have thought that Nintendo would be relegated to a bit player in the console wars?[/quote]

...they're a bit player?[/quote]

When the industry leader (Sony) outsells you 5 to 1 (75 million PS2s versus 16 million GCs) and two companies that weren't even in the video game business (Microsoft, Sony) a decade ago sell more consoles than you do, I'd say that makes you a "bit player in the console wars".[/quote]

Sony's been in the game industry for a lot longer than you think. They were a developer for the SNES, and was contracted by Nintendo to create a CD-based add-on for the SNES called the Playstation. Nintendo pulled the plug after 3 years of development in 1991, which this device eventually became the PS that we know today. Therefore Sony has been in the industry for at least 16 years.
 
microsoft and nintendo are like practically neighbors in seattle, they have at least some good respect for each other up there from what I've heard
 
[quote name='guessed'][quote name='article']Nintendo's dominance of the handheld market makes Sony's launch "like developing your own little operating system and saying, 'Well, I'm going to challenge Windows'..."[/quote]

Does likening the PSP to Linux make anyone else actually want it more, or is it just me?[/quote]

:D

I had a good laugh when he said that. And it's not just you.
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='anonymouswhoami'][quote name='Death2Sanity'][quote name='anonymouswhoami']
Never say never. 15 years ago, who would have thought that Nintendo would be relegated to a bit player in the console wars?[/quote]

...they're a bit player?[/quote]

When the industry leader (Sony) outsells you 5 to 1 (75 million PS2s versus 16 million GCs) and two companies that weren't even in the video game business (Microsoft, Sony) a decade ago sell more consoles than you do, I'd say that makes you a "bit player in the console wars".[/quote]

Sony's been in the game industry for a lot longer than you think. They were a developer for the SNES, and was contracted by Nintendo to create a CD-based add-on for the SNES called the Playstation. Nintendo pulled the plug after 3 years of development in 1991, which this device eventually became the PS that we know today. Therefore Nintendo has been in the industry for at least 16 years.[/quote]

Nintendo has been around as a game company since ~1985,, even before that as a card manufacturer. Oh and the reason sony outsold nintendo is because the lifespan of a PS2 is 5 times shorter than a gamecube or an xbox. Its not even a year before the shaqfuin thing breaks. Thank god I bought the BB extended waranty and used the hell out of it.
 
[quote name='sying'][quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='anonymouswhoami'][quote name='Death2Sanity'][quote name='anonymouswhoami']
Never say never. 15 years ago, who would have thought that Nintendo would be relegated to a bit player in the console wars?[/quote]

...they're a bit player?[/quote]

When the industry leader (Sony) outsells you 5 to 1 (75 million PS2s versus 16 million GCs) and two companies that weren't even in the video game business (Microsoft, Sony) a decade ago sell more consoles than you do, I'd say that makes you a "bit player in the console wars".[/quote]

Sony's been in the game industry for a lot longer than you think. They were a developer for the SNES, and was contracted by Nintendo to create a CD-based add-on for the SNES called the Playstation. Nintendo pulled the plug after 3 years of development in 1991, which this device eventually became the PS that we know today. Therefore Nintendo has been in the industry for at least 16 years.[/quote]

Nintendo has been around as a game company since ~1985,, even before that as a card manufacturer. Oh and the reason sony outsold nintendo is because the lifespan of a PS2 is 5 times shorter than a gamecube or an xbox. Its not even a year before the shaqfuin thing breaks. Thank god I bought the BB extended waranty and used the hell out of it.[/quote]

I've had my PS2 since launch and no problems at all. I don't know anyone personally who has had problems with their PS2. I do hear quite a few DRE complaints on the internet, but part of that is because there are way more PS2's out there than GC's and XBOX's. Also, usually only the people with problems talk about it. People who don't have any problems don't usually say that. Which is why it SEEMS like everyone has problems, but really don't. I will agree that out of all the consoles, PS2 seemes the most fragile, but I haven't had a problem with it yet. I don't know where you are getting that the PS2 has a lifespan "5 times shorter than a GC or xbox". :roll:
 
[quote name='sying']It all comes down to a simple math equation...

Nintendo DS>Ngage>PSP[/quote]

HAHA NO. The ngage is already a dead product. As for that crock of bull about the PS2's life span, really I'd love to see the degree in engineering that qualifies you to make such a rediculous statement like that and claim all of it as fact.
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123']Sony's been in the game industry for a lot longer than you think. They were a developer for the SNES, and was contracted by Nintendo to create a CD-based add-on for the SNES called the Playstation. Nintendo pulled the plug after 3 years of development in 1991, which this device eventually became the PS that we know today. Therefore Nintendo has been in the industry for at least 16 years.[/quote]

Almost right. The CD add-on of which you speak eventually became the Phillips CD-i. Sony was working with Nintendo for quite some time before Nintendo got cold feet and pulled the plug. Nintendo kept all of the technology that had been developed thus far, and decided to just dump it onto Phillips (who had been business partners with Nintendo). Sony used their newly gained knowledge and experience to eventually develop the Playstation.
 
[quote name='Parathod']I wonder how long it will be before we can't tell the difference between the CAG forums and the Gamefaqs forums.[/quote]

sying Posted: November 10, 2004, 10:02 pm

It all comes down to a simple math equation...

Nintendo DS>Ngage>PSP
Click to expand...
 
[quote name='sying']Oh and the reason sony outsold nintendo is because the lifespan of a PS2 is 5 times shorter than a gamecube or an xbox. Its not even a year before the shaqfuin thing breaks. Thank god I bought the BB extended waranty and used the hell out of it.[/quote]

I bought my PS2 used off of ebay, and it was a launch model. It was shipped in a cardboard box packed in a weekday newspaper.
It has never been refurbished or even cleaned.

But it works better than my gamecube, which I bought new and is also a launch model. My gamecube occasionally freezes, my PS2 does not.
It doesn't even hang at the boot screen.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='CrashSpyro123']Sony's been in the game industry for a lot longer than you think. They were a developer for the SNES, and was contracted by Nintendo to create a CD-based add-on for the SNES called the Playstation. Nintendo pulled the plug after 3 years of development in 1991, which this device eventually became the PS that we know today. Therefore Nintendo has been in the industry for at least 16 years.[/quote]

Almost right. The CD add-on of which you speak eventually became the Phillips CD-i. Sony was working with Nintendo for quite some time before Nintendo got cold feet and pulled the plug. Nintendo kept all of the technology that had been developed thus far, and decided to just dump it onto Phillips (who had been business partners with Nintendo). Sony used their newly gained knowledge and experience to eventually develop the Playstation.[/quote]

Yeah, I didn't mean that they used that technology to make the PS, but what you said about the knowledge and experience. Thanks for clearing that up. And the Nintendo thing is a typo, but Nintendo has been around for over 100 years, which they made cards and some other stuff then. Hell, Miyamoto signed with Nintendo to design toys for Nintendo and they gave him an assignment to design a game which became DK.
 
I could care less about the handheld wars, but I would like to make one point. Wasn't there word not too long ago that Final Fantasy: Advent Children was being considered to first be released as a PSP movie disc or something, and then later on DVD? FF7 gave Sony dominance in that generation; they may try to follow a similiar strategy. Never underestimate the fanboy spending power for anything FF7 related, and that Sony does realize its potential to generate revenue from it.
 
yeah I remember hearing about that too but some how I doubt FF uberfans are that hot for FF7:AC that they'd spend close to 200 bucks to watch it a little earlier than a dvd which will more than likly contain some extra features.

As much as I'd love for the PSP to become an overnight success, it's not going to happen all that easily.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='CrashSpyro123']Sony's been in the game industry for a lot longer than you think. They were a developer for the SNES, and was contracted by Nintendo to create a CD-based add-on for the SNES called the Playstation. Nintendo pulled the plug after 3 years of development in 1991, which this device eventually became the PS that we know today. Therefore Nintendo has been in the industry for at least 16 years.[/quote]

Almost right. The CD add-on of which you speak eventually became the Phillips CD-i. Sony was working with Nintendo for quite some time before Nintendo got cold feet and pulled the plug. Nintendo kept all of the technology that had been developed thus far, and decided to just dump it onto Phillips (who had been business partners with Nintendo). Sony used their newly gained knowledge and experience to eventually develop the Playstation.[/quote]

The Philips CD-i has almost no relation at all to the Nintendo project. The relationship didn't go much beyond the discussion stage and a commtment to use Philip's CD-XA format which became common for a lot of PC and other CD-ROM platforms. If you examine the innards of a CD-i you'll find nothing that can be connected otherwise to the prototype SNES CD Nintendo sent some distributors. (Konami had a completed version of Xexex and Square's SAecret of Mana was intened to be a CD game with FMV sections.) Note also that the CD-i project predates Nintendo's abort CD-ROM add-on by several years. We had a CD-i development workstation at Cinemaware in early 1988. It actually was a pretty decent Motorola 68000 based PC but Philips chose not to pursue that.
 
[quote name='dastly75']microsoft and nintendo are like practically neighbors in seattle, they have at least some good respect for each other up there from what I've heard[/quote]

Try Redmond.

A lot of people have worked at both companies thanks to their offering a nearly identical commute. The funny thing is that it's much harder to get into Nintendo's campus than Microsoft's. Nintendo is very intent on not letting any pre-release code wander off while Microsoft depends on getting millions of people to participate in their beta programs to help mitigate the nightmarish range of possible variation in PC configurations.
 
This article is from three months ago! That was before Sony made clear how much pain they were willing to endure for a strong launch.

Microsoft's Moore is not without a point here. Don't forget he was once part of a company that challenged the GameBoy empire back when it was still B&W.

Microsoft has other options for pursuing the portable space. The Pocket PC platform recently took the lead in the PDA market and is capable of doing some good game presentation. The main thing missing is a model designed for game input ala the PalmOS based Zodiac. Another question is whether Microsoft would want to go beyond defining a minimum set of specs for a portable gaming platform and sell a model themselves. The recently released Portable Media Player platform could also be easily extended to play games well. The question there is whether a market exists at that price point.
 
[quote name='jetblac']Sony will blow out nintendo DS.
I'll pay everybody in here $5 if it doesn't![/quote]

I accept check, MO, paypal, or well concealed cash.
 
I also hope Sony beats the DS...why you may ask? Nintendo had the handheld market for a long time without any real competition...now Sony is putting out the PSP at that fantastic price...must get psp...and someone said that DS has 2 million pre orders and how many does PSP have....PSP COMES OUT SOMETIME NEXT YEAR WHILE DS COMES OUT THIS MONTH, it will get most of its preorders within a month of its release which isnt even officially announced yet. On the note of PS2 breaking easily mine only broke once and it was my fault because I hit the cord and it fell on the floor....Anyone getting a PSP Buy a warranty and take care of it and you shouldnt have any trouble.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I also hope Sony beats the DS...why you may ask? Nintendo had the handheld market for a long time without any real competition...now Sony is putting out the PSP at that fantastic price...must get psp...and someone said that DS has 2 million pre orders and how many does PSP have....PSP COMES OUT SOMETIME NEXT YEAR WHILE DS COMES OUT THIS MONTH, it will get most of its preorders within a month of its release which isnt even officially announced yet. On the note of PS2 breaking easily mine only broke once and it was my fault because I hit the cord and it fell on the floor....Anyone getting a PSP Buy a warranty and take care of it and you shouldnt have any trouble.[/quote]

Usually when someone makes a comment like that, they follow it up with the reason(s). Are your reasons for wanting Sony's PSP to beat Nintendo's DS that Sony has less experience in the handheld market, the PSP will cost more, and won't be available for a while? Those don't seem like very good reasons to me, but that seems to be what you wrote.
 
[quote name='guessed'][quote name='whoknows']I also hope Sony beats the DS...why you may ask? Nintendo had the handheld market for a long time without any real competition...now Sony is putting out the PSP at that fantastic price...must get psp...and someone said that DS has 2 million pre orders and how many does PSP have....PSP COMES OUT SOMETIME NEXT YEAR WHILE DS COMES OUT THIS MONTH, it will get most of its preorders within a month of its release which isnt even officially announced yet. On the note of PS2 breaking easily mine only broke once and it was my fault because I hit the cord and it fell on the floor....Anyone getting a PSP Buy a warranty and take care of it and you shouldnt have any trouble.[/quote]

Usually when someone makes a comment like that, they follow it up with the reason(s). Are your reasons for wanting Sony's PSP to beat Nintendo's DS that Sony has less experience in the handheld market, the PSP will cost more, and won't be available for a while? Those don't seem like very good reasons to me, but that seems to be what you wrote.[/quote]

True the PSP will cost more...but not by much, and yeah it doesn't come out for awhile which is a shame. Ok, not very good reasons I guess....but I was just trying to put a couple points across such as how if you take care of it, the PSP breaking shouldn't be that big of a deal. I want it to beat Nintendo because Nintendo has had the console market for a long time now, and I think Sony has a chance of taking them out. Will it happen....who knows. I think that if PSP beat the DS it would give other companies a chance to get into the console market to show that Nintendo can be beaten at that. Besides I think Nintendo is trying to really control the console market with the DS and GBA being out. If Sony beats them it would get Nintendo to do something better than a touch screen. With real competition in the handheld market Nintendo would be forced to do more with the handhelds (donkey kong on gb, gbc and gba? all the same game...) Yes PSP will have some PS2 games but atleast last I heard you can transfer your file to play it on the psp when you are out of the house.
 
Whoknows - The saving thing hasn't actually been confirmed yet. Aside from that I can see what you;re trying to say but you're not saying very well. Basically you want nintendo to have real competition in the handheld market in order to make them come up with newer more impressive things.

But the thing is what's wrong with what they;ve been putting out? It's obvious been good enough for us all so far that even when the others tried to bring out something "more powerful" they didnt succeed. Maybe the public is happy with what they're getting.

Now Nintendo gets the bright idea for the DS, something a little different, just to help make up for the loses they;re taking on the console side. Sony comes along and in their own way tries to one up Nintendo with hard core equipment that should be more atractive to people playing next gen systems, the same tactic as everyone else has tried in the past, but the thing is Nintendo always beats this tactic. why? because their systems are just simple enough for people to pick up and play. Grab the system a couple of cartridges, pop them in your bag or pocket and you're good to go. You dont need much else, heck now we don't even need link cables to play each other anymore.

This is probably the biggest problem for Sony... too many "things" that you need. Memsticks, UMDs, an optional battery... blah blah blah blah. Not to mention the size of the unit is going to make it a little unapproachable for some while the DS is just complicated enough to be a little jump in tech but still simple for most users. While I'd like a portable Playstation2 I still wouldnt mind a simple pick up and play game system as well.
 
The public really hasn't had any choice with handhelds because Nintendo is dominating, besides wouldn't it be nice to have choice? Sony is taking a loss of $131,500,000 USD because of the $185 price for it, if they sold it for what its worth it would cost around $450. This shows that Sony is serious about the handheld market and will be a serious competitor. You say the problem is too many things you "need". One of the things you mention is UMD's..Correct me if I'm wrong, but dont you need games to play the PSP? Dont you need the cartridges to play the DS/GBA? So that really isn't a very good example. Memory stick, well I wont mind that for the size they made the PSP, and then you say Optional Battery, which is Optional..If around 5-6 hours isn't enough time for you to play a handeld out of the house, something is wrong. When you are playing at home you can easily just plug it in.
Just want to comment that its awesome that you are defending both the DS and PSP.
 
I agree with Alpha2, all of his posts thus far on the whole "PSP vs. DS" issue are in line with my own. I wish some of the people on this board would look at both sides of the coin and realize that we have too great systems coming out. It's not important which one "beats" the other. What is important is that the handheld market is finally being pushed in the right direction (wether it be through innovation or technology or even just some competition). In my opinion, the only people who are losing out are the people who view this "handheld war" as some sort of sport where one team wins and the other team loses. You should play games because their fun, not because they give you something to argue about.
 
Honestly I'd like to see them both succeed because I believe there's room for them both. and I'd like to see them both get a fair shake.

I did mention games for the DS as something else you need but that's generally all. if you only play 2 games the entire day they should be easy to drop in your pocket with the DS.

As for Nintendo Dominating the market, it's not like they're really doing anything to stop people from releasing new portable systems. The thing that kills Nintendo's opponents is trying to push to hard. They release systems that are too expensive, that dont have any imediatly popular games or franchaises, they require too many extras or they;re too large. They knock themselves out of the running while Nintendo sits back and updates only when they NEED to.

Sony is "going big" which is dangerous. Giant screen, a bunch of options, and unfortunatly many possible short commings, but they have done the smart thing with the innitial price of the PSP. The price is probably the one thing they have the most control over. The Games will likely have the depth of a home game which kinda justifies the possible $40 pricetag and is great.... if you;re at home.... with an adaptor plugged into the wall...defeating the purpose of having a portable (unless you;re in the bathroom or somthing). The PSP has to get a better battery to remain a presence in the portable market or they'll dropp out just like the Game gear and the lynx, great systems but flawed. If they can do that people willget over the fact that it's twice the size of a GBA or DS or the need for memsticks because it'll be worth it for something big when people are in the mood for "big."
 
[quote name='Parathod']I agree with Alpha2, all of his posts thus far on the whole "PSP vs. DS" issue are in line with my own. I wish some of the people on this board would look at both sides of the coin and realize that we have too great systems coming out. It's not important which one "beats" the other. What is important is that the handheld market is finally being pushed in the right direction (wether it be through innovation or technology or even just some competition). In my opinion, the only people who are losing out are the people who view this "handheld war" as some sort of sport where one team wins and the other team loses. You should play games because their fun, not because they give you something to argue about.[/quote]

Exactly, the same thing happened with the GC/Xbox releases and they've pretty much been a tie, neither has blown the other out of the water, but neither has been doing extremely well.There's likely to be a similar thing to happen in the handheld market. neither will really dominate, and no one should wish for it. We should be rooting for great games, not for systems to fail.
 
Hmmm...I thought the DS was bigger than the PSP? I may be wrong, but I could have sworn I read it somewhere.....And 5-6 hours of gameplay should be enough for playing out of the house for most people so I have no problem with this price. PSP has a few popular titles coming out near release time namely Metal Gear Ac!d...I know its a card game but if they are changing the gameplay that much they have to have a plan, I have faith. Besides DMC being ported to the PSP is more than enough reason for me to get it....
 
The DS is a little thicker than the PSP and taller (only when unfolded obviously). The PSP is thinner but wider because of the size of it's screen.

We really dont know what the bettery life will really be like untill they get out to the public and start getting used under real world conditions. Maybe 5-6 hours will be enough for the games we get on the PSP, maybe the battery life will be much shorter and closer to the 2-4 that seems to be the more cautious estimate. Maybe the DS will have a surprisingly shorter life than expected with two screens to power, it's all still very up in the air.
 
Personally, I'd like to get both, as I said I feel there's room for the two.

My first instinct is to get the DS since it'll be out first and I know to expect a lot of the same type of games I play on the GBA (not to mention the ones I already have) and the demos I've played at E3 made me very optimistic for the future of the device. Right now, My problems are the fact that I'm unemployed and CAG is slowly wittling away at my bank account so that 150 price tag is looing a bit steep, I'll wait a little while and see if I can scrounge up some cash for it or atleast squeez it into my budget. Maybe while I'm waiting they'll announce the extra colors that you just KNOW they;re going to sooner rather than later.

The PSP I'd like to grab when it's released, a black one to go with my black PS2, GC and GBA maybe (the white looks a little girly... but they seem to be planning a boat load of colors) The price is low enough to make it a tempting purchase and you have to love that screen when you see it in real life.. My hopes are that they'll improve the battery life for the american release and more original games will be announced by march. (and also that I'll be working so I can afford the blasted thing.)
 
Yeah, they will release other colors for the DS...I got the GBA SP at launch and I wish I didnt cuz I could have gotten the NES series one, which I would have rather had by far than the blue one I'm stuck with.....oh well live and learn. but for PSP black is fine for me, actually the color I would want. I may end up getting a DS after the price drop which you know is going to happen a few months after release.
 
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