Microsoft's Greenberg Slams Sony's Promises

[quote name='Malik112099']i think this is funny cause the only real complaint against the 360 is hardware failure (dont get me wrong, thats big) but MS has addressed it with a 3 year warranty and different boards/chips and eventually they *should* get it right.....

while Sony is rock solid in the hardware dept there are complaints about everything else....

I'd rather have the system with all the bells and whistles that might fail but be covered under warranty than the system that will last forever and has nothing much else that I'm interested in to offer

P.S. i only own a 360 right now but am praying to God SOCOM will be the best thing ever so I have a reason to buy a PS3[/quote]

You say the PS3 has great hardware reliability but then "nothing much else that I'm interested in to offer"

I respect your opinion, but consider this:

- Sony is at least getting most of the multi-platform games.

- Sony does have a few more exclusives other then MGS:4.

- PS3 can play Blu-Ray movies.

I'm not thrilled about PS3 losing out on games like Bioshock and Culdcept Saga. Taking that into account I think PS3 is the system for me because the hardware reliability is huge, and combined with the factors above it tips the scales Sony's way IMO. Following the way of the cheapass, I'm just waiting for the inevitable price drop / bundle package.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']lol, I don't think it will be necessary since the 360 will break itself...[/quote]

That's a feature - it just means you're one of the lucky 360 owners who got a special "Imagination Station". When you see the red lights, close your eyes and use your mind to play all the games the other systems don't have, like 'Shenmue 3' and 'Duke Nukem: ForNEver'
 
[quote name='camoor']

- Sony is at least getting most of the multi-platform games.

- Sony does have a few more exclusives other then MGS:4.

- PS3 can play Blu-Ray movies.[/quote]

Having a PS3 and trying MGS:4 (bust), Haze (bust), GT5p (not really that great) and Blu rays (I'm not wowwed like I should be) Killzone 2 is the only thing left for me to sorta make me want to keep the system. Other than that it truely does just sit there collecting dust. I think it's a solid system and solid "entertainment center" like they said it was going to be. I just don't use it. I'm sorry and disappointed I can't continue to be a PS fan, but the 360 controller and 360 games (RSV2) are just that good.

[quote name='camoor']That's a feature - it just means you're one of the lucky 360 owners who got a special "Imagination Station". When you see the red lights, close your eyes and use your mind to play all the games the other systems don't have, like 'Shenmue 3' and 'Duke Nukem: ForNEver'[/quote]

Thankfully, I haven't experienced it yet but, my system is blessed with freezing randomly for no reason. I mean no reason at all... Some days it will freeze once other days it seems like every 5 min. It's great. Thanks M$...

I am still on my first 360 though...
 
[quote name='Chacrana']How about MS' promises about fixing the 360?[/QUOTE]

This. I will not purchase a 360 until they fulfill their promises about releasing a machine that isn't fundamentally broken before you even use it.
 
Well, so it goes. Obviously the hardware and backwards compatibility issues would be easy retorts for Sony, but that doesn't mean the somewhat excessive levels of Sony's corporate BS is excusable either. I don't think delays are such a big deal, but does it *really* take this long to institute Achievements? Shit, by the time Sony gets around to actually delivering Home, I'd be surprised if MS didn't have "House LIVE" ready to go against it.

[quote name='The Mana Knight']Also, why has Too Human been taking so long and why did it take 5 years to develop Kameo??[/quote]

Considering how Kameo turned out and some of the early rumblings about Too Human, you're really not making much of a case for Killzone 2 being any good.

[quote name='The Mana Knight']Overall IMO, MS and Sony should not be taking shots at each other. Nintendo has both of them beat right now and they should be trying to top them, not going after each other.[/quote]

Well, for better or for worse, Nintendo really *is* almost in a different market than MS/Sony. They're not getting much of Nintendo's market, and it doesn't look likely that Nintendo is gonna get much of theirs. So really, it's a very direct competition between MS and Sony for the same batch of consumers. The overall similarity of hardware, features, and games is proof of that.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Having a PS3 and trying MGS:4 (bust), Haze (bust), GT5p (not really that great) and Blu rays (I'm not wowwed like I should be) Killzone 2 is the only thing left for me to sorta make me want to keep the system. Other than that it truely does just sit there collecting dust. I think it's a solid system and solid "entertainment center" like they said it was going to be. I just don't use it. I'm sorry and disappointed I can't continue to be a PS fan, but the 360 controller and 360 games (RSV2) are just that good.[/quote]

You have two systems and to me that's a diff ballgame. You're judging PS3 by the exclusives it brings to the table which I will admit are not system-sellers. Top that off with your ambivielence towards bluray and your opinion makes alot of sense.

I'm willing to venture I'm a bit less 'hardcore' then you and there are many quality multiplatform games that would keep me busy. Being that I can't carve out as much gaming time as I used to, I value the conveinience of quality hardware over the question of who currently has the biggest game library / most exclusive must-haves.

And to be fair to the PS3, Resistance and Drake's Adventure sound pretty cool, I love Silent Hill, and I can't wait to see the next iteration of the Ico story.
 
I don't know about you, but I buy consoles for the game not the consoles... beyond that I'm really picky. If you give me a mulitplatform game like RSV2 I'll most likely go with the 360 every time over the PS3... not because the graphics, not because of the system, because I simply like the 360 controller over the PS3's.

I had a discussion with a friend last night about how I don't give a flying fuck about GTA4, I missed the memo on it. I only played GTA3 for like 10 min before it got old. Yes, I know gta4 isn't the same but it doesn't matter it's still the same kind of game. There's two categories of games that keep my interest. Shooters and driving. That's it.

As for Blu ray... ok, granted I haven't gotten an hdmi cable yet (on component) the quality of Blu ray at least for me on my 28' 1080p monitor isn't enough of a quality change to keep a PS3. It's more that because a PS3 is the best upgradeable blu ray device. I'm more interested in portable movie viewing when I need to kill time.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']There's two categories of games that keep my interest. Shooters and driving. That's it.[/QUOTE]
So, you're only interested in shooting and driving games, but you don't like GTA? :whistle2:s


Not criticizing you or attacking your opinion or anything, but that just comes off as really weird that you don't enjoy the series that combines your two favorite genres.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']I don't know about you, but I buy consoles for the game not the consoles... beyond that I'm really picky. If you give me a mulitplatform game like RSV2 I'll most likely go with the 360 every time over the PS3... not because the graphics, not because of the system, because I simply like the 360 controller over the PS3's.
.[/QUOTE]



I'm the same way except that I prefer the PS3 controller. ( same with last gen, I preferred the PS2 controller over the xbox controller) although I ended up buying an xbox) I put my 360 back in its box, and I'm not buying any more games for the console. (maybe Gears of War II, will bring it back out!) I just much rather play games on my PS3, and I don't have time anymore to game on two systems, (three in the past) like I did in the past.

I guess before in the past, I just bought everything, so that I wouldnt be left out on any game that I wanted. As long as the system has a good set of games that covers each genre then I'm fine. I don't mind waiting for Ninja Gaiden II Sigma, I got a lot more patience than I used to have. As long as PS3 is getting a healthy dose of games, then I'm fine. MGS4 will be here in a little over 3 weeks.
 
I don't really like Viva Pinata and Kameo thats why I think 360 sucks!

We can all do it! Wee!!

"PS3 sucks! it doesn't have any games I like!" Well, that's probably why you don't like it.

These debates are lame.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']I don't really like Viva Pinata and Kameo thats why I think 360 sucks!

We can all do it! Wee!!

"PS3 sucks! it doesn't have any games I like!" Well, that's probably why you don't like it.

These debates are lame.[/QUOTE]


"your an idiot"


[please note that I'm kidding]
 
[quote name='Tsukento']
Nintendo has them beat in hardware sales numbers, not quality games.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo has more profit then Sony and Microsoft combined, that's all that matters in terms of winning the "next gen war", even if their graphics are gamecube level ;)

I am a pretty damn loyal Microsoft supporter, but even I have to throw in the towel when it comes to Nintendo. They have all the profit in the world and It's only a matter of time before all senior centers have a wii. They have won with all audiences, and there only weak point is lack of mature games and inability to understand the internet exists (well Mario Kart is actually good online) for the most part, and Mature/adult games make up what now, 10% of game sales? So it doesn't matter to them.

Oh and Freak I have had a 360 since launch and I've never had a freeze or RROD (except once when I forgot to plug in my audio/video cables). You fail.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Nintendo has more profit then Sony and Microsoft combined, that's all that matters in terms of winning the "next gen war", even if their graphics are gamecube level ;)[/quote]

Not really.

Sony has won the Bluray/HD-DVD awards and I'm willing to bet that PS3 had a stake in that. Getting an early pre-installed base like they did is huge. Plus, being one of the big three hardware players in the fastest growing entertainment sector (IE videogames) isn't a bad place for a content producer to be.

Microsoft didn't get into the console wars for short or mid term profits. They're in it for the long haul, they want to win the battle for the family entertainment center because they see a future in which the computer migrates from the home office to the family room, and they want to be the guys selling you and me the proprietary operating system that organizes our 21st century lives. The Xbox is their Trojan Horse into next-gen America.

Nintendo has made it clear that it's in this as a gaming company first and foremost.

These are all different business plans, it's a little to simple to judge a winner based on profits from hardware sales / third-party licensing at any point in the "next gen war".
 
[quote name='camoor']Not really.

Sony has won the Bluray/HD-DVD awards and I'm willing to bet that PS3 had a stake in that. Getting an early pre-installed base like they did is huge. Plus, being one of the big three hardware players in the fastest growing entertainment sector (IE videogames) isn't a bad place for a content producer to be.

Microsoft didn't get into the console wars for short or mid term profits. They're in it for the long haul, they want to win the battle for the family entertainment center because they see a future in which the computer migrates from the home office to the family room, and they want to be the guys selling you and me the proprietary operating system that organizes our 21st century lives. The Xbox is their Trojan Horse into next-gen America.

Nintendo has made it clear that it's in this as a gaming company first and foremost.

These are all different business plans, it's a little to simple to judge a winner based on profits from hardware sales / third-party licensing at any point in the "next gen war".[/QUOTE]


so basically we need to be looking at who actually executes and benefits from their business plan.


in terms of profits, there's one universal way to show which products are doing well... and that's by looking at shelf space that paticular products receive. In most stores, PS2 gets the most shelf space than any other system. Which imo tells me that PS2 products are still doing well.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']So, you're only interested in shooting and driving games, but you don't like GTA? :whistle2:s


Not criticizing you or attacking your opinion or anything, but that just comes off as really weird that you don't enjoy the series that combines your two favorite genres.[/quote]

There... happy now, I played it for a good hr. I was bored within the first 5, but I played it. I'd like to get my $8 back but oh well...

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/8232/dscn0287vg4.jpg
 
[quote name='Thomas96']so basically we need to be looking at who actually executes and benefits from their business plan.

in terms of profits, there's one universal way to show which products are doing well... and that's by looking at shelf space that paticular products receive. In most stores, PS2 gets the most shelf space than any other system. Which imo tells me that PS2 products are still doing well.[/QUOTE]

So, uh ... how do digital distribution, store layout, the new vs. used game life cycle, premium packaging, endcaps vs. row space, and facing factor into your hypothesis?
 
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