Midway pulls Mortal Kombat I from Midway Arcade Treasures Vol. 2

I'm glad people are emailing Midway. The more people email their complaints to them, the more likely they are to consider reversing their decision.

Here are the email address again (Sorry If I'm reduntant).

Game Comments or Questions:
Email: [email protected]

Public Relations
Email: [email protected]
Phone: 773-961-2557
 
[quote name='eldad9']Yes, it really sucks. They're much worse than Namco, splitting 30 games or so across FIVE releases. It's evidently enough to make a person swear uncontrollably and wish that more people in the world got raped.

Grow up. A company's selling a product. You can choose to buy it, or not. That's all there is to it.

And about steel talons and S.T.U.N. runner - who knows? maybe it turned out they were much harder to emulate on these consoles than originally thought.

I haven't seen any of you whiners write an emulator for even a 2D title, even on the much easier to program PC architecture. You have absolutely no idea how much work goes into it. It's not like the publisher called a few of your friends, asked them what your favorite midway games were, and decided to remove those.

Would you rather buy this title to find these two games are so glitchy they're unplayable?[/quote]

You're talking about some very old arcade hardware. STUN Runner is all off the shelf 1989 hardware that is extremely well documented:
http://emustatus.rainemu.com/games/stunrun.htm

Steel Talons was done on a later generation of this same hardware.
http://www.system16.com/atari/hrdw_harddrivin.html

Unlike a homebrew emulation project the people coding for Midway have access to all the proprietary data and can use off the shelf licensable emu code bases for the major processors. Their primary task is to create the virtual wiring that joins it all together.

The funny thing is that these games are so trivial by today's standards that it would be vastly easier to write them as native applications than go through all the work of emulating the original hardware that used dozens of discrete chips costing thousands of dollars to do the same job as a modern $5 chip. The fact is that these games were already reproduced pretty well on home computers that themselves are so far behind the capacity of current game systems that an Xbox can easily run an Amiga 68020 emulator to run the Amiga versions of these games. (Many modded Xboxen are doing exactly that already.)

Part of the fun of these packages is the exactness of the reproduction, thus making emulation preferable to native versions. As well, this can be much more cost effective if you have a lot of games that run on the same emulated hardware. This would raise the question of whether they wanted to put all of the titles using the Hard Drivin' hardware in a separate product but the continuing inclusion of Hard Drivin' itself makes that questionable.

There is either an IP issue over the rights to these two titles or they simply decided to hold them back as part of a planned third package of arcade classics. If this third package were to focus on the rise of 3D then they'd damn well better include I, Robot in there.
 
[quote name='eldad9']Yes, it really sucks. They're much worse than Namco, splitting 30 games or so across FIVE releases. It's evidently enough to make a person swear uncontrollably and wish that more people in the world got raped.

Grow up. A company's selling a product. You can choose to buy it, or not. That's all there is to it.

And about steel talons and S.T.U.N. runner - who knows? maybe it turned out they were much harder to emulate on these consoles than originally thought.

I haven't seen any of you whiners write an emulator for even a 2D title, even on the much easier to program PC architecture. You have absolutely no idea how much work goes into it. It's not like the publisher called a few of your friends, asked them what your favorite midway games were, and decided to remove those.

Would you rather buy this title to find these two games are so glitchy they're unplayable?[/quote]

You work for Midway or something? Because you seem to be the only one defending their decision to have gamers spend $60 more just to be able to get the whole MK trilogy.

And you do realize that you're on the CheapAssGamer message board, right? Keyword: CheapAss
 
What Midway should have done was include the PS1/Saturn version of Mortal Kombat Trilogy in the MK:D Collector's Edition. Then they could have left the Arcade Treasures 2 disc alone, while including something special for the people who spend the extra on MK:D.

It would make MK:D CE better because it would have something with more appeal than MK 1 by itself, and it would keep the fans of the Arcade Treasures disc happy. Unless they are still pissed about the omission of S.T.U.N. Runner, which I'm not too happy about either.
 
[quote name='Dawson210']You work for Midway or something? Because you seem to be the only one defending their decision to have gamers spend $60 more just to be able to get the whole MK trilogy.[/quote]

I don't work for Midway. The decision doesn't need to be protected; it's their decision to make, they certainly don't owe you anything. Just like it's your decision whether or not to buy their products.

The key question is: Was the company behaving responsible to shareholders (I'm assuming the publisher's publicly held without checking) when the decision was made?

Personally, I think so, but none of us will ever know for sure.

But this classic compilation still has incredible value, especially for $20. And not many people will miss the original Mortal Kombat when they get the newer MK on the same disc.

P.S. epobirs, thank you for your post. It was insightful and informative. I admit now I'm curious about the reasons for excluding these two games - technical (who knows what problems they came across), licensing (who do they belong to now? are any of the other games owned by the same party?) or otherwise.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']What Midway should have done was include the PS1/Saturn version of Mortal Kombat Trilogy in the MK:D Collector's Edition. Then they could have left the Arcade Treasures 2 disc alone, while including something special for the people who spend the extra on MK:D.

It would make MK:D CE better because it would have something with more appeal than MK 1 by itself, and it would keep the fans of the Arcade Treasures disc happy. Unless they are still pissed about the omission of S.T.U.N. Runner, which I'm not too happy about either.[/quote]

I totally agree. If MK:D would include the MK Trilogy game and MAT2 would leave the original MK alone, I'd definitely consider getting MK:D along with MAT2 (and maybe it would be worth the price too). But if Midway does not do anything about the exclusion of MK on MAT2, I'll be way disappointed.
 
I'm a shareholder in Midway. Not a ton, but about 400 shares or so.

I'd like for them to include on 3 on a disc, but if it's more profitable the way it is now, then I'm all for it.
 
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='Dawson210']You work for Midway or something? Because you seem to be the only one defending their decision to have gamers spend $60 more just to be able to get the whole MK trilogy.[/quote]

I don't work for Midway. The decision doesn't need to be protected; it's their decision to make, they certainly don't owe you anything. Just like it's your decision whether or not to buy their products.

The key question is: Was the company behaving responsible to shareholders (I'm assuming the publisher's publicly held without checking) when the decision was made?

Personally, I think so, but none of us will ever know for sure.

But this classic compilation still has incredible value, especially for $20. And not many people will miss the original Mortal Kombat when they get the newer MK on the same disc.

P.S. epobirs, thank you for your post. It was insightful and informative. I admit now I'm curious about the reasons for excluding these two games - technical (who knows what problems they came across), licensing (who do they belong to now? are any of the other games owned by the same party?) or otherwise.[/quote]

I'd think it could hurt PR and sells thus being bad for the shareholders. I mean this just isn't about including on the CE of Deception either. What about GCN owners? They are getting screwed over in general by not being able to have a oringinal MK port in the GCN lineup at all. And this is next to the fact that they listed an official slate of games on the disc, then blantantly changed it just a handful of weeks before release. I'd think that's bad for business.
 
[quote name='eldad9'][quote name='Dawson210']You work for Midway or something? Because you seem to be the only one defending their decision to have gamers spend $60 more just to be able to get the whole MK trilogy.[/quote]

I don't work for Midway. The decision doesn't need to be protected; it's their decision to make, they certainly don't owe you anything. Just like it's your decision whether or not to buy their products.

The key question is: Was the company behaving responsible to shareholders (I'm assuming the publisher's publicly held without checking) when the decision was made?

Personally, I think so, but none of us will ever know for sure.

But this classic compilation still has incredible value, especially for $20. And not many people will miss the original Mortal Kombat when they get the newer MK on the same disc.

P.S. epobirs, thank you for your post. It was insightful and informative. I admit now I'm curious about the reasons for excluding these two games - technical (who knows what problems they came across), licensing (who do they belong to now? are any of the other games owned by the same party?) or otherwise.[/quote]

Just as it's their decision on what games they want to include in a collection, it is our decision to complain to them and tell them that we are upset. Sure they are out to make a profit, but if they could give a rat's ass about what we think then they will not stay successful. Telling a company you are upset isn't whining, it's letting them know how to make a better product and how to serve you the consumer.
 
I just got this in an email in regards to STUN Runner and Steel Talons.

Thank you for contacting Midway Games. These games were unfortunately
pulled due to unforeseen technical difficulties.

Claire Moore
Customer Service Manager
Midway Games

Sounds like they had emulation issues. Disappointed but stuff happens.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Sounds like they had emulation issues. Disappointed but stuff happens.[/quote]

It's very likely. They probably still could have included them, but they would have run like crap, and then people would bitch about shoddy programming or something. Midway really couldn't win in this situation.
 
i just got this to the e-mail i sent yesterday

Thank you for contacting Midway Games. We appreciate your feedback
concerning the changes made to the MAT2 game line up and the inclusion
of MK1 on the collector's editions of MK Deception.
I sampling of customer emails will be submitted to our marketing and
business departments so that your opinions and statements are heard.
 
[quote name='punqsux']i just got this to the e-mail i sent yesterday

Thank you for contacting Midway Games. We appreciate your feedback
concerning the changes made to the MAT2 game line up and the inclusion
of MK1 on the collector's editions of MK Deception.
I sampling of customer emails will be submitted to our marketing and
business departments so that your opinions and statements are heard.
[/quote]

At least you guys got responses. Thats a positive sign (I've have to check my email when I get off work to see if they responded to me)
 
[quote name='punqsux']i just got this to the e-mail i sent yesterday

Thank you for contacting Midway Games. We appreciate your feedback
concerning the changes made to the MAT2 game line up and the inclusion
of MK1 on the collector's editions of MK Deception.
I sampling of customer emails will be submitted to our marketing and
business departments so that your opinions and statements are heard.
[/quote]

I just recieved that same email. Now let's see if our opinions are heard.

Just as it's their decision on what games they want to include in a collection, it is our decision to complain to them and tell them that we are upset. Sure they are out to make a profit, but if they [don't] give a rat's ass about what we think then they will not stay successful. Telling a company you are upset isn't whining, it's letting them know how to make a better product and how to serve you the consumer.

Well said!
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I just got this in an email in regards to STUN Runner and Steel Talons.

Thank you for contacting Midway Games. These games were unfortunately
pulled due to unforeseen technical difficulties.

Claire Moore
Customer Service Manager
Midway Games

Sounds like they had emulation issues. Disappointed but stuff happens.[/quote]

I find that hard to believe. Hard drivin', which uses the same hardware to be emulated, is still included. These are not complex machines by today's standards. Recreating these games from scratch would be a summer project for high school student using one of the many "So you want to make 3D games" kits out there.

If they were dropping Hard Drivin' too I'd be more trusting but the contradiction make me suspect they have another motive than they're admitting.
 
My letter:

"Hi, I was checking up on Gamespot and realized that MK1 was removed from the MAT2 compilation. Gee, this wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that MK1 is now being included in MK5 SE? Greedy bastards, I won't buy either now, at least not until MK1 is put back on the compilation where it belongs with the other classics. Thanks for your time, as I know I'm one of many gamers who are pissed off about this."
 
In the last posters vein this is the letter I'm tempted to write:

"I know you're going broke here but making a move like taking MK out of MAT2(after it was confirmed or whatever just weeks or months earlier) and placing it in Collector's Editions of MK5 just alienates more gamers from buying your products and lessens the sympathy you would like to create.
I myself will still pre-order "Shadow Hearts: Convenant" to play the sequel as well as use the original that comes with it to introduce my friend to it but other than that do NOT expect me to buy MAT2 or MK5 Collectors or regular edition for a long while as well as any other Midway products.".
 
I got this pathetic response.

Subject: RE: Regarding recent decision to remove MK1 from Arcade Treasures 2

Thank you for contacting Midway Games. We appreciate your feedback
concerning the changes made to the MAT2 game line up and the inclusion
of MK1 on the collector's editions of MK Deception.
I sampling of customer emails will be submitted to our marketing and
business departments so that your opinions and statements are heard.

Claire Moore
Customer Service Manager
Midway Games

Which led to my typing this response.

I would expect no less from the second worst publisher in gaming (Acclaim still sucks harder, longer, and cheaper than you guys) than a formulated response to an email that has already been deleted. Way to go, you're ignoring what your customers want. You guys must really be anxious to get back into bankruptcy again. fuck you very much, Midway.

Disgruntled,
Jeremy

Nice little flame..
 
Yeah, I got the form response too. Here's my rebuttal.

Dear Midway

This is unacceptable, this removal of a game nobody will miss to create a special edition of a game. I'll still buy Midway Arcade Treasures 2 and now Mortal Kombat Deception SE, since both still have a huge amount of content and value, but you can be sure I'm very angry over this decision. I WILL be moaning at length about this on various internet messageboards, be sure of that! I hope you read some of the mean things I say and feel really bad!

Your stupid customer who doesn't know how to influence a company and has no contact with reality anymore,
Jmcc

PS: Psi-Ops and The Suffering were awesome. I love you Midway XOXOX
 
[quote name='jmcc']Yeah, I got the form response too. Here's my rebuttal.

Dear Midway

This is unacceptable, this removal of a game nobody will miss to create a special edition of a game. I'll still buy Midway Arcade Treasures 2 and now Mortal Kombat Deception SE, since both still have a huge amount of content and value, but you can be sure I'm very angry over this decision. I WILL be moaning at length about this on various internet messageboards, be sure of that! I hope you read some of the mean things I say and feel really bad!

Your stupid customer who doesn't know how to influence a company and has no contact with reality anymore,
Jmcc

PS: Psi-Ops and The Suffering were awesome. I love you Midway XOXOX[/quote]

I almost spit soda on my monitor laughing at that. You jerk.
 
Nice over the top jerkish response, it made me laugh as well. For someone who wasn't going to buy MK:Deception and wanted MAT2 a lot though, this does kinda suck, you have to admit.
 
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