MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) Thread: UFC/Strikeforce

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Here's how I had it scored:

Round 1: Rampage 10-9
Round 2: Forrest 10-8
Round 3: Forrest 10-9
Round 4: Rampage 10-9
Round 5: Forrest 10-9

Rampage did more damage in the fight imo but Forrest was more aggresive and really dominated round 2.
 
This fight almost made me swear off paying for anymore UFCs. Such a joke. I have no idea how Rampage though he could win by not fighting, sick gameplan.
 
[quote name='zewone']This fight almost made me swear off paying for anymore UFCs. Such a joke. I have no idea how Rampage though he could win by not fighting, sick gameplan.[/quote]

Yeah its not the same Rampage. I was so excited when I saw him pick up Forrest and than nothing happen. Forrest was lucky he let go of the triangle.
 
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Forrest wasn't lucky, he let go of the triangle because he didn't want to get slammed. Having a blown up knee on your lead leg will change a lot of fighters gameplans. Rampage probably felt he could score points by just waiting for Forrest to come in, and deliver punches.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']Here's how I had it scored:

Round 1: Rampage 10-9
Round 2: Forrest 10-8
Round 3: Forrest 10-9
Round 4: Rampage 10-9
Round 5: Forrest 10-9

Rampage did more damage in the fight imo but Forrest was more aggresive and really dominated round 2.[/QUOTE]

these 10-8 scores are silly. it seems like anytime someone clearly wins a round people want to mark it 10-8.
10-8 rounds should be reserved for nearly finishing an opponent or inflicting heavy amounts of damage both while controlling the round.

I think im going to enjoy the more interesting matchups that will result from a forrest win.
 
[quote name='blueweltall']Yeah its not the same Rampage. I was so excited when I saw him pick up Forrest and than nothing happen. Forrest was lucky he let go of the triangle.[/QUOTE]
How can someone making a conscious decision be construed as luck? He chose to do it, thus it was not luck.

Things learned from the fight.

Griffin has a better chin than Liddell
Jackson is vulnerable to leg kicks
Griffin had an underrated ground game
Jackson has an overrated takedown game

Juanito Ibarra is a liar. "If Forrest wins I'll quit."
 
What do you think would have happen to Forrest if he held on? Thats what I mean by luck. I didn't mean that the decision he made was luck. I was just applying what the outcome might have been if he held on.
 
Rampage is taking the loss pretty good. Dude is already smokin' jays and partying it up with white people.
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Anyways, the payout for Griffin was insane, considering he was fighting for peanuts a few years ago.

Forrest Griffin: $310,000 ($100,000 base salary, plus $150,000 win bonus, plus $60,000 “Fight of the Night” bonus)
Quinton Jackson: $285,000 ($225,000 base salary, plus $60,000 “Fight of the Night” bonus)
Gabriel Gonzaga: $100,000
Melvin Guillard: $80,000 (includes $60,000 “Knockout of the Night” bonus)
Cole Miller: $80,000 (includes $60,000 “Submission of the Night” bonus)
Josh Koscheck: $70,000
Joe Stevenson: $60,000
Tyson Griffin: $40,000
Marcus Aurelio: $40,000
Patrick Cote: $32,000
Ricardo Almeida: $23,000
Chris Lytle: $14,000
Gleison Tibau: $11,000
Jorge Gurgel: $10,000
Justin Buchholz: $8,000
Corey Hill: $8,000
Dennis Siver: $7,000
Justin McCully: $5,000
Total disclosed payroll: $943,000
 
[quote name='blueweltall']What do you think would have happen to Forrest if he held on? Thats what I mean by luck. I didn't mean that the decision he made was luck. I was just applying what the outcome might have been if he held on.[/QUOTE]
Luck only applies to things which happen by accident & have positive outcomes. If someone is aware of what possible outcomes are and makes a decision to take a beneficial route it is not luck.
 
[quote name='DT778']That's not a joint, it's one of them dollar cigarettes that are next to the cash registers at liquor stores.[/QUOTE]
looks like a joint to me. You can tell joints because the way they burn leaves a conical ash that's also about twice as long as a regular cig. due to MJ being about twice as dense as a packed cig & Js being usually tighter.


* Quinton Jackson - suspended until Jan. 2 due to possible left knee, tibia, fibia and thumb injuries (can be cleared early by orthopedic doctor); minimum suspension until Aug. 5 with no contact until July 27 for precautionary reasons
* Forrest Griffin - suspended until Sept. 4 due to right-upper-eyelid laceration (can be cleared early by doctor)
* Chris Lytle - suspended until Sept. 4 due to laceration near right eye (can be cleared early by doctor)
* Josh Koscheck - suspended until Aug. 5 with no contact July 27 for precautionary reasons
* Marcus Aurelio - suspended until Jan. 2 due to possible left-thumb ligament injury (can be cleared early by orthopedic doctor); minimum suspension until Aug. 5 with no contact until July 27 for precautionary reasons
* Justin McCully - suspended until Jan. 2 due to possible left-shoulder injury (can be cleared early by doctor)
* Cole Miller - suspended until Sept. 4 due to facial lacerations (can be cleared early by doctor)
* Jorge Gurgel - suspended until Jan. 2 due to right tibia, fibia and elbow injuries (can be cleared early by orthopedic doctor)
* Dennis Siver - suspended until Aug. 20 with no contact until Aug. 5 for precautionary reasons
* Justin Buchholz - suspended until Sept. 4 due to scalp laceration (can be cleared early by doctor)
 
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[quote name='TURBO']Luck only applies to things which happen by accident & have positive outcomes. If someone is aware of what possible outcomes are and makes a decision to take a beneficial route it is not luck.[/quote]

I never said his decision making was luck. Your lucky I'm done with this argument. Ha!:hot:
 
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Kenny Florian: "I know you guys were very verbal about Rampages chances. You felt, you talked about, that if Rampage went 3 rounds that you'd be surprised. You said that you'd retire if Forrest won. Uh, in the countdown leading up to the fight.

What do you think went wrong? Was it something that Forrest did right, was it something that Rampage did wrong? Why do you feel rampage had trouble in there with Forrest?"


Janito Ibarra: "Let me set the record straight. I've been almost in this game, uh, the fight game for almost thirty years. When I said I'd retire, umm, I didn't never said from the fight game.. so let me set that straight. I'm retiring from the, from the waterfront as a longshoreman. And that was just, umm, in the moment so uhh I'm not retiring; I'm not going anywhere.

Umm, what he would do different is just fight a better fight. I think rampage is ahead and um, it was.. no criticism to Forrest when I said he couldn't bust a grape, I love Forrest he's a great kid great competitor; it's just I didn't believe in his power & we still think we won that fight. And, with um, regard to it going five rounds; I just think it was misjudged."


what a sore loser. No wonder Rampage sloughs this guy off every chance he can. 50:1 Rampage dumps him within a year.
 
They also make alot more money from there sponsor too. I heard the real money is from the sponsor. I'm not sure if its true or not.
 
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[quote name='blueweltall']They also make alot more money from there sponsor too. I heard the real money is from the sponsor. I'm not sure if its true or not.[/QUOTE]
It all depends on the sponsor, the fighter & how good the fighter's manager is. Sometimes less sometimes more. Tapout is famous for sponsoring up & coming fighters but their sponsorships are usually less than others & they rely on fighters keeping their sponsorship after they make it even at the lower pay due to loyalty. Not the greatest reason, but a lot of fighters start their own gyms & they want to stay on their good side so they have that relationship to introduce their own apprentices to eventually. The same is true for better paying sponsors like Affliction who payed extremely well until UFC banned fighters from wearing their clothes (due to them sponsoring & promoting fighters from other organizations).

Affliction has the best card of this year though coming up in 1 week. That's why UFC's putting on the fight night so soon on free tv, trying to distract people. Theyre threatened. Honestly I hope Affliction is gangbusters. UFC has great fighters but it's a virtual monopoly atm. They could use some stiff competition.
 
former UFC light heavyweight Quinton Jackson has been arrested in California and faces felony hit-and-run charges after allegedly attempting to flee police.

The Costa Mesa Police Department has released additional details regarding the series of events leading to Jackson's arrest.

According to a press release, "Rampage" ignored an officer's directions to pull over and continued "weaving in and out of traffic" while forcing "pedestrians to flee for their lives" as he continued "running several red lights."

Jackson, who was allegedly driving a large pick-up truck that's adorned with his own image, continued operating the vehicle even after a tire rubber disintegrated underneath it (see exclusive photos below), according to the release.

The full release states:
A Motor Officer was monitoring traffic at the intersection of Newport Blvd and Broadway. He saw Jackson driving [south] bound weaving in and out of traffic, with a flat front left tire (and) speaking on his cell phone. The Motor Officer activated his lights and siren and initiated a traffic stop. Jackson ignored the Motor Officer and continued south bound on 17th weaving in and out of traffic to avoid being stopped.

Jackson drove over the raised center portion of the roadway at Cabrillo Ave. He lost control and drove up onto the sidewalk causing pedestrians to flee for their lives. Jackson regained control and continued southbound in the northbound lanes of Newport Blvd. As he crossed through the intersection with 17th St, he collided with a vehicle legally in the intersection. Jackson continued south bound on Newport Blvd running several red lights. The rubber from his left tire began to disintegrate at the PCH overpass. Jackson continued southbound onto the Balboa Peninsula running several more red lights, causing pedestrians to flee in terror. Jackson’s vehicle finally came to a stop at 18th St and Newport Blvd in the city of Newport Beach. Jackson was taken into custody by Costa Mesa Officers without incident.

Jackson was transported to the Costa Mesa City Jail and booked for; Felony Evading, Reckless Driving and Hit and Run. He was transported to the Orange County Jail and is being held in lieu of a $25,000.00 bail.

Prior to Motor Officer Barnes actions, Jackson had been involved in two separate collisions on the south bound 55 FWY. The CHP is taking those reports.

Jackson is a former Ultimate Fighting Champion title holder and fought under the name Quinton “Rampage” Jackson.

According to Costa Mesa Police Lieutenant Paul Dondero, neither drugs nor alcohol are suspected to have played a role in today's events. Jackson was being held on $25,000 bail, though as we reported earlier today, UFC President Dana White is already in California with plans to bail him out of jail.

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After being arrested for felony evading, hit-and-run and reckless driving, Jackson posted bail, which had been set at $25,000, overnight.

Jackson allegedly hit multiple cars during a short police chase Tuesday afternoon. He eventually pulled over and surrendered to police after traveling from Costa Mesa to Newport Beach in California. No injuries were reported.

According to a press release from the Costa Mesa Police Department, Jackson ignored an officer's directions to pull over and continued "weaving in and out of traffic" while forcing "pedestrians to flee for their lives" as he continued "running several red lights."

Police initially told MMAjunkie.com that neither drugs nor alcohol were suspected to have played a role in the incident.

UFC president Dana White arrived in California on Tuesday via private plane, presumably to post bail for Jackson.

Additionally, according to fiveouncesofpain.com, reports that Jackson has been hospitalized appear unfounded.
 
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was great.

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Also the Affliction show was awesome. much more value/$ than the past UFC shows i've ordered.

+Not spoiling anything, but there was a big sort of announcement at the end which will probably lead to something epic.
 
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The UFC didnt ban their fighters from wearing affliction logod stuff at the shows because affliction sponsors fighters from other orgs. they banned them because affliction was startign their own promotion. i know proelite promotions dont allow fighters to wear affliction stuff either.
 
Is Rampage still in the psych ward? I haven't heard anything about him getting out. Dana's been saying he's pretty fucked in the head right now. Whether that's a cover story for him borrowing some of Liddell's coke and gettin' a little crazy, who knows.

Someone corner Dana White and ask him his opinion of Fedor again. I'm sure he'll come up with a way to say he still sucks, but it's fun to watch him scramble for new reasoning whenever something unexpected happens.

I'll be in Vegas for a bachelor party for the August UFC. Tempting to throw down a few hundred on Lesnar but Herring scares me more than old man Coleman did.
 
white already stated his opinion of fedor had changed and that tim was a good opponent, he then said that anderson silva is unquestionably the p4p best.

well it depends on your idea of a good match, IMO anytime you see the real arlovski, its a good match, and thats what youll see when you watch him demolish rothwell.

hopefully the next affliction will have more even match ups.
id really like to see fedor v barnett and arlovski v aleksander
 
[quote name='guyver2077']i only saw the main even of affliction.. any other good matches?

and now cant wait till ufc 87.. CMON LESNAR![/QUOTE]

Terry Martin vs. Vitor Belfort
Josh Barnett vs. Pedro Rizzo
Arlovski vs. Rothwell

Also, Fedor is going to kill Couture. Couture's only move is to pin his opponent to the cage and dirty box for 15/25 minutes. Now, with no cage, all he's going to do is get his ass beat like Silvia.
 
[quote name='paz9x']white already stated his opinion of fedor had changed and that tim was a good opponent, he then said that anderson silva is unquestionably the p4p best.

well it depends on your idea of a good match, IMO anytime you see the real arlovski, its a good match, and thats what youll see when you watch him demolish rothwell.

hopefully the next affliction will have more even match ups.
id really like to see fedor v barnett and arlovski v aleksander[/QUOTE]

anderson is good, there's no doubt about it. but the whole P4P best was the UFC's spin trying to distract from Fedor & Affliction. Irvin never had a chance he was a horrible match up for Silva. he's a power puncher w/ shorter arms who was going to fight MT w/ him. i saw that ending coming from a mile away. watch the lutter fight or okami fight for a more accurate portrayal; lutter might have even won that fight if he didnt completely gas out in 5 mins. Fedor is only 1 inch taller than anderson. they say anderson walks around at 230 which is the same as Fedor, but somehow i dont think he could beat Fedor.

then there's BJ at 155 who could probably hang w/ anderson at 185. anderson's good, but i still have strong doubts about him being P4P the best. from watching his fights he seems to have the most trouble w/ submission guys who can take a punch. (or submit fast a la Ryo Chonan)
 
to the untrained eye, masters of jiu jitsu like these guys may appear slow and lethargic, but thats just what happens when you put high black belt level BJJ guys together to roll.

Their skill is so high it cancels each others out at that level, and thats what we're seeing here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snzv4wDAWkk
 
[quote name='DT778']Lesner needs to step up his ground game. Seemed like he just wanted to snuggle that guy to death.[/quote]
It looked lame but he held a dominant position the whole time while landing some great knees, though the ref should've stood 'em up in the first round.

I'd like to see if anyone can have a successful takedown defense against Lesnar. He took down both Mir and Herring while absorbing a kick to the chest like it was nothing.
 
[quote name='blueweltall']The GSP Vs. Fitch fight was fucking awesome! GSP look amazing and big props to Fitch for hanging in there.

GSP vs BJ Penn 2! Holy shit![/QUOTE]



Yeah, that fight between GSP and BJ Penn, should be great!I want to see that fight!
 
[quote name='guyver2077']yea lesnar looked dominant..the first punch just rattled herring early...

wonder whos next for him..[/quote]

That punch reminded me of something you see in Dragon Ball Z. A punch and the other guy is flying back 20 feet.:lol:
 
Looks like Lesnar may be skipping all the "midcard" heavyweights and jumping straight to the top - Lesnar vs. Couture is strongly rumored to be announced soon, possibly for the November UFC card.

Obviously Couture will be the favorite, and I don't doubt he'll win, but I do doubt he's going to roll right over him. Lesnar can obviously be frustrating as hell on the ground for his opponents and is 14 years younger. I just don't see him having the ability to finish Couture on the ground yet, especially because Couture is one of the few guys who matches/surpasses Brock's wrestling skill. Plus Brock will run out of gas before Randy does.

A loss wouldn't really hurt Brock though, so he doesn't have much to lose and has everything to gain. It's motherfucking Randy Couture, people expect him to win.
 
wasnt he going to fight cheick kongo (sp?). I thought that would be an interesting and better fight.. but not necessarily easier for lesnar
 
UFC is going to have a conference call at 3 pm EST for a "major announcement," so it looks like Lesnar-Couture is going to be official this afternoon.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot'] because Couture is one of the few guys who matches/surpasses Brock's wrestling skill. It's motherfucking Randy Couture, people expect him to win.[/QUOTE]

theyre two very different wrestling disciplines. randy hasnt fought in a year. and was knocked out in his last fight previous to his comeback. hes won 2 straight.
im interested to see how the ufc handles the supposeed champ issue. i imagine the winner of this fight would fight the winner of nog/mir.
 
[quote name='zewone']What about Minotauro?[/QUOTE]

hes the interim champ as hes been since the sylvia fight. te winner of nog/mir v. winner randy/lesnar to unify the title.
i actually like it. makes the blah heavy weight division exciting for the time.
i do wonder what theyll do with werdum though, id guess finish everyone he fights until
he finally gets his shot.
 
http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/6606/124/ - Brock vs. Couture is for the UFC Heavyweight title (which would make sense, as UFC still recognized Randy as the champion even when he renounced the title). with the winner getting a shot at the Interim Heavyweight Champion after Mir-Nogueira in December.

Mir-Lesnar II for the undisputed title would do HUGE business, but Couture being back in and of itself is a major deal. It'll be interesting to see just how good a shape he's in at 45 - he is an amazing athlete, but he's also a middle-aged one taking on a younger, bigger man, who also happens to be a freak of nature in Brock.
 
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