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I'm not so sure it wouldn't have changed the Penn fight, though. BJ tried a dozen times to get his legs up over GSP's shoulders to try for a triangle but kept slipping off. Yeah, he was getting his ass beaten but it only takes a second to lock in a triangle and the fight would have had a different finish.

BJ should have had his knees and ankles wrapped to give himself a better grip (he said he planned on fighting from his back anyway) so it is still pretty much his fault. The Vasoline certainly didn't help, though.
 
[quote name='GF_Eric']I'm not so sure it wouldn't have changed the Penn fight, though. BJ tried a dozen times to get his legs up over GSP's shoulders to try for a triangle but kept slipping off. Yeah, he was getting his ass beaten but it only takes a second to lock in a triangle and the fight would have had a different finish.

BJ should have had his knees and ankles wrapped to give himself a better grip (he said he planned on fighting from his back anyway) so it is still pretty much his fault. The Vasoline certainly didn't help, though.[/QUOTE]

i have similar thoughts to a small degree. ive rewatched several portions of the fight numerous times and i think gsps strength keeps him out of submissions for the most part. hes good enough on the ground to know when hes getting into a bad spot. seeing him push out of penns high guard was eye opening though.
and while i think there is a chance he gets caught in something i think he wins the fight by holding penn down and sprinkling in punches/elbows.
the vasoline is inexcusable regardless.
 
I think people are blowing the vasoline thing out of portion. They act like GSP was getting a huge glob of vasoline smear down his body. He only got vaseoline apply to his face than he got a breathing massage from his cornerman. It was only a problem because the same cornerman that applied the vasoline to his face also did the massage. I doubt there was a huge amount of vasoline left in his hands to do any good. That's like using your hand to put sun protection on your face and quickly using the same hand to rub the rest of your body for protection.

BTW the Canadian thing is just a joke.
 
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[quote name='blueweltall']I think people are blowing the vasoline thing out of portion. They act like GSP was getting a huge glob of vasoline smear down his body. He only got vaseoline apply to his face than he got a breathing massage from his cornerman. It was only a problem because the same cornerman that applied the vasoline to his face also did the massage. I doubt there was a huge amount of vasoline left in his hands to do any good. That's like using your hand to put sun protection on your face and quickly using the same hand to rub the rest of your body for protection.

BTW the Canadian thing is just a joke.[/QUOTE]

youre either missing the point or its not a point to you.
its that something was done illegally, not how much of an effect it had, it was illegal.
hes a champion and at the height of mma. for him to do that is a big deal.

watch the clips. there are different versions all over the internet by now im sure.
also a nsac exec was ringside and saw him apply the vasoline.

it was done more than once in the course of that fight by the way.
its not like an opps it happened once between after the 1st round.

anyway, internet jabber is worthless. its going to be interesting to se how the nsac handles it.
 
[quote name='paz9x']youre either missing the point or its not a point to you.
its that something was done illegally, not how much of an effect it had, it was illegal.
hes a champion and at the height of mma. for him to do that is a big deal.

watch the clips. there are different versions all over the internet by now im sure.
also a nsac exec was ringside and saw him apply the vasoline.

it was done more than once in the course of that fight by the way.
its not like an opps it happened once between after the 1st round.

anyway, internet jabber is worthless. its going to be interesting to se how the nsac handles it.[/quote]

I did watch the clip and you have to watch the enitre clip of the break. Most of the clip on the internet is broken into bits with some key parts missing. It was probably just an innocent mistake by his cornerman.
I don't think it matters anyway becasue BJ Penn is looking for a rematch with GSP this Summer.

GSP by Knockout or TKO!
 
Damn this UFC card was excellent tonight! Jackson was awesome during and after the fight.

It's going to be a black on black crime!:lol:
 
[quote name='blueweltall']Damn this UFC card was excellent tonight! Jackson was awesome during and after the fight.

It's going to be a black on black crime!:lol:[/quote]
Hahahaha o that rampage and his hilarious outbursts. BLACK ON BLACK crime lol
 
Anybody watching UFC 97? I can't wait to see Silva. I've been expecting this UFC for awhile.
 
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Has anyone seen the show Bully Beatdown? I don't usually watch MTV junk but it is hilarious stuff. They take a bully and put him in a cage with a MMA fighter. Of course they lure him in with money which the Bully usually ends up losing.
 
Man I was reading from sherdog.com and it seems the fight was really bad....

quote...
Round 5
Silva bobs and weaves while defending a takedown. Leites tries again and Silva gets on top, where he tees off with right hands. Silva stands and crushes the challenger with a spinning-back kick. The crowd is absolutely furious as both fighters continue their pattern of non-violence. Chants of “G-S-P” echo from the arena. Leities attempts a kick and Silva grabs his foot. Leites flops until he is stood. What may be remembered as the worst title fight in UFC history mercifully ends.
 
I'm so glad my previous disdain for Silva wasn't unjustified. He's a bitch fighter who has failed to finish two mediocre opponents in his previous fights. It's one thing to not engage the guard of Leites, but to dick around during all of the stand-up is not the mark of a number 1 fighter.

The rest of the card was very good though, Rua looks very dangerous in the future.
 
Yeah, I gotta say, Silva has looked like a jackass his last two fights. He looks like a guy who has figured out that no one can beat him, so he doesn't care anymore. He just screws around the entire fight. He needs a punch in the mouth more than anyone I've ever seen. I hope Joe Rogan was right and that Silva does drop the 11 pounds to fight GSP. Somebody needs to wake this guy up. Also, sad to see Chuck lose tonight. Unfortunately, age gets the best of us. At least I knocked out Rua about 20 times in the UFC 2009 demo I got today, haha. :)
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yeah, I gotta say, Silva has looked like a jackass his last two fights. He looks like a guy who has figured out that no one can beat him, so he doesn't care anymore. He just screws around the entire fight. He needs a punch in the mouth more than anyone I've ever seen. I hope Joe Rogan was right and that Silva does drop the 11 pounds to fight GSP. Somebody needs to wake this guy up. Also, sad to see Chuck lose tonight. Unfortunately, age gets the best of us. At least I knocked out Rua about 20 times in the UFC 2009 demo I got today, haha. :)[/quote]
LOL:lol:

Man, can't wait for UFC 100 Mir Vs. Lesnar
 
Yeah this replaces Sylvia vs. Arlovski as the worst main event I have ever seen in the UFC. I am fed up with Silva at this point. I am sorry but the UFC really needs to stop with the "greatest P4P fighter in the world" bullshit. It is and will continue to be Fedor until he either retires or loses.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X']I'm so glad my previous disdain for Silva wasn't unjustified. He's a bitch fighter who has failed to finish two mediocre opponents in his previous fights. It's one thing to not engage the guard of Leites, but to dick around during all of the stand-up is not the mark of a number 1 fighter.

The rest of the card was very good though, Rua looks very dangerous in the future.[/QUOTE]

Retarded.

Everytime Silva started a combo, Leites would throw himself on the ground.

Should Anderson put himself in danger of losing to give you an entertaining fight?

Leites had a shit gameplan and didn't belong in the ring with Anderson.

Anderson needs a true challenge.

As for Fedor being the best "pound for pound fighter".

Fedor doesn't fight anyone good or consistently.

At the same weight, Anderson would destroy Fedor. The heavyweight division in MMA is a joke.
 
Yeah it wasn't Silva fault. Everytime Silva try to engage Leites would just drop and lay down. I thought it was pretty entertaning how afterword Silva would just fuck around with Leites punching him in the legs and feet.

The Next UFC should be really good. Evan vs. The Dragon! I want the Dragon to win but I think the better fight will be Rampage vs. Evan.

Black on Black crime!
 
Silva dancing around and trying to punch Leites in the legs is garbage. It's like a cat playing with his food. No doubt, Silva was the supreme fighter, but in that regard, he should have put Leites away and been done with it. He behaved like a counterpuncher who didn't know what to do when his opponent wouldn't wrecklessly attack him. Luiz Cane fought a better fight than that.
 
If you don't think that debacle last night was at least partially Silva's fault you don't know shit. In the first round of the fight he didn't throw a single punch or kick for over 2 minutes.......... 2 fuckING MINUTES!!! He could've engaged so much more than he did. It was so shitty Dana White actually apologized to the fans afterward saying it was the worst event the UFC has ever put on.

Also there is no way in hell Silva is the better P4P fighter over Fedor. Look at the people each has fought and beaten, Fedor has defeated some of best fighters ever to fight in the sport. Also the fact that Fedor has never been KO'd or submitted in his professional career, and the only loss he has was because of a cut.
 
[quote name='zewone']Retarded.

Everytime Silva started a combo, Leites would throw himself on the ground.

Should Anderson put himself in danger of losing to give you an entertaining fight?

Leites had a shit gameplan and didn't belong in the ring with Anderson.

Anderson needs a true challenge.

As for Fedor being the best "pound for pound fighter".

Fedor doesn't fight anyone good or consistently.

At the same weight, Anderson would destroy Fedor. The heavyweight division in MMA is a joke.[/quote]
:rofl:
Shut the fuck up, please.

I don't disagree that Leites flops were bullshit.
Then again, as you said, why should Anderson (Leites) put himself in danger of losing to give you an entertaining fight?
I doubly agree that Leites is not true competition for Silva. The point here is that the supposed best p4p fighter in the world should be able to finish average opponents like Leites. But he didn't, he dicked around, bobbed and weaved, through a bunch of low side kicks, attempted to punch Leites' leg, and did his best Ali impression. So he didn't want to go to the ground, big deal, throw some combos and then every time Leites falls, let him stand back up and repeat. What's Silva's excuse for not engaging Cote, was he also afraid of his crazy jui jitsu? Get that shit out of here.

And please on the Fedor talk, at least he's capable of beating or at least surviving against his opponents at their own strength. And he's never lost to people he wasn't supposed to (or to anyone for that matter). Maybe everytime Leites was on the ground Silva had a flashback of getting heel hooked by a 5' 9" Asian guy?
 
Saw the fight today, and to be fair, Silva did what he had to do , to win....Stand up, fight, if Leites, could not put Silva on the ground it was Leites fault....Silva won, that is completely right, not his best fight, yep...But he was clearly superior to Leites....

And about the Fedor talk, Fedor is a great fighter, and to my opinion, he would destroy Silva, but that fight, would never be seen....Yesterday I did a couple of searches on the web about the fighting style that Fedor practices, the Sambo fighting , and it is quite an interesting style....He has been the champion 5 years in the Russian Combat Sambo Championship

http://mmablips.dailyradar.com/video/fedor_is_a_combat_sambo_champion_again/

He looks funny and so passive in these fights...haha!
 
[quote name='hcamacho']Saw the fight today, and to be fair, Silva did what he had to do , to win....Stand up, fight, if Leites, could not put Silva on the ground it was Leites fault....Silva won, that is completely right, not his best fight, yep...But he was clearly superior to Leites....
[/quote]

Exactly. Silva clearly was winning so why would he try to finish Leites and risk damage?

It was a boring fight but it was really all Leites fault. He didn't really try to take down Silva, his striking was ineffectual and half-hearted, and he was flopping about the whole time. He was outmatched and knew it.

Silva needs to fight GSP. :D
 
The point is, Silva didn't fight like a main event fighter. Neither did Leites...but he's NOT a main event fighter. He doesn't have a legacy to live up to like Silva does. If Silva is adopting some "win by giving the least effort possible" philosophy, then put him on the undercard. I don't care enough about the middleweight belt to sit through any more "main events" like that. Dana White knows better than anybody, it's about money. It's about putting on a show. If Silva has no interest in doing that, stick him on the undercard and cut his pay by 75%. Maybe he'll give a shit then.
 
This paragraph from the yahoo MMA blog sums up why I can NEVER TAKE MMA SERIOUSLY

But the bottom line is this: If Silva is going to be the big star, if he’s going to make the big paycheck, then he has to realize it’s incumbent upon him to put on a show. Liddell has now lost four of his last five and has been knocked cold in three of them, but he came to fight and made his bout entertaining for as long as it lasted.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-silva041909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

There's an age-old quote of "To be the man, you have to BEAT the man"

Silva is the man. He has the title. The other guy has to BEAT Silva. The other guy tried to take it to the ground and Silva didn't feel like it. Why should Silva? Silva has nothing to prove in that fight!

See, that's whats wrong with MMA to me. Yall up here complaining about Silva giving a lackluster performance....it's not his responsibility to please you. It's his responsibility to win! And he did! It's that other guy's responsibility to challange Silva, and dude didn't. I watched flop after flop after flop after flop....

In boxing, this would be like the guy who always tries to hug up the opponent to avoid contact.

And Dana White apologizing to fans because his champion retained his title without really lifting a finger is actually bullshit. It makes Silva out to be the villian when in fact the other guy who knew what he had to do to win DID NOT CAPITIALIZE WHEN HE HAD SILVA ON THE GROUND!!!!

fuck all that bullshit, you play to win the game. You don't play to get knocked around and risk your health. Next time Dana White should throw someone that won't be a bitch ass man and actually try to beat Silva, unlike that last guy. IN FACT, Dana White should be making comments suggesting that he give back his losing purse, because I could have laid on my back and flailed my legs for 25 mins.

This reverse mentality over the fight has almost ruined any possibility of me watching another UFC fight. If I were in Silva's shoes (or trunks in his case), I would be pissed.

This blogger, Dana White, and all fans who agree are basically "WWE-izing" MMA, where everyone wants the big hits and great knockouts and somehow someone who is 20-10 is considered great. No thank you, I think I'll just stick to boxing, where a ref actually encourages physicality if someone is running away/hugging too much


Silva = Tim Duncan. Two men who do their job and win when it matters.

And once again, it was Silva's fight to lose, not to win. The challenger has to beat the champion, not the other way around.
 
And once again I will say this........ the greatest striker in MMA today was fighting a fighter who has almost zero striking skills in Leites. Silva didn't throw a punch or kick in over 2 MINUTES!!! The first round was almost half over before he even attempted anything. THAT IS BULLSHIT.
 
I'm sick of people defending Silva. It was obviously Leites not doing anything throughout the fight but Silva didn't do anything either. Dana should send a message to Silva by having his next title defense one of the first fights on the main card and see if Silva gets the hint. Silva did not earn his paycheck on Saturday.

And for the love of god I am getting tired of hearing that Silva is the p4p best fighter in the world. I'm sorry but until Fedor loses how can he not be considered the p4p best in the world. There is one huge difference between Fedor and Silva that I don't think many people get. Fedor is such a great champion because he doesn't try to out point someone and do as little as possible to keep his belt. Every fight he is in Fedor goes out there and tries to kill his opponent. That is why he is a lot better of a fighter than Silva.
 
[quote name='bg88']I'm sick of people defending Silva. It was obviously Leites not doing anything throughout the fight but Silva didn't do anything either. Dana should send a message to Silva by having his next title defense one of the first fights on the main card and see if Silva gets the hint. Silva did not earn his paycheck on Saturday.

And for the love of god I am getting tired of hearing that Silva is the p4p best fighter in the world. I'm sorry but until Fedor loses how can he not be considered the p4p best in the world. There is one huge difference between Fedor and Silva that I don't think many people get. Fedor is such a great champion because he doesn't try to out point someone and do as little as possible to keep his belt. Every fight he is in Fedor goes out there and tries to kill his opponent. That is why he is a lot better of a fighter than Silva.[/QUOTE]
How did Silva not earn his paycheck????

He won the fight.

A win is a win, right? He's not fighting to entertain you, he's fighting to win! It's not Silva's fault that his opponent did not want to win the fight.

I guess you have to explain to me how this is Silva's fault. Silva doesn't have to do "anything". It's Leites or whatever job to fight. It's his job to win. It's his job to win the score cards if he can't submit/knock out Silva. It's HIS job.

If you and I were fighting, and you were the champion...who's responsbility would it be to win the fight? Not yours, because you already have the championship. It's mine to win. You could run in circles and climb the cage (if its legal) and it'd still be my job to beat you. The challenger must beat the champion.

The only way Silva lost on saturday was by future endorsements and marketing opportunities. I'm sure Silva wasn't too concerned about that though. Looks like he just wanted to fight the way he wanted to fight, as a champion should have the choice of doing.

There's this sense of entitlement that MMA fans have showed over this fight that seems crazy. Especially how the Liddell fight has been coveraged in contrast. In his fight, he got knocked out silly and yet that blog made it seem as if that's the right way to perform. Go hard or go home. In this Silva fight, the man won and he's being booed because THE CHALLENGER DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT.

Weird.
 
I think what it really comes down to is this.. do you see MMA as a sport where what's important is the win? or is it entertainment, where what matters is that the crowd is into it? In soccer, for example, there are teams that play "ugly" soccer, defensive, organized, counter-attacking and win but people don't appreciate it and there are teams that play free-flowing, offensive, "attractive" soccer and people love to watch them play, even when they don't get the result.

For me its really hard to say, obviously I prefer to see fights finished but at the same time, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Silva won that fight and I have to appreciate his skill in avoiding the takedowns, avoiding any danger even when he was on his back, and some of the creativity (albeit nearly useless) in his striking.
 
[quote name='One4Deuce']I think what it really comes down to is this.. do you see MMA as a sport where what's important is the win? or is it entertainment, where what matters is that the crowd is into it? In soccer, for example, there are teams that play "ugly" soccer, defensive, organized, counter-attacking and win but people don't appreciate it and there are teams that play free-flowing, offensive, "attractive" soccer and people love to watch them play, even when they don't get the result.

For me its really hard to say, obviously I prefer to see fights finished but at the same time, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Silva won that fight and I have to appreciate his skill in avoiding the takedowns, avoiding any danger even when he was on his back, and some of the creativity (albeit nearly useless) in his striking.[/QUOTE]
I see it like that. He won. Period. And I was entertained at the fact that he had enough speed to actually punch a man in the leg multiple times (it's hilarious how the other guy didn't go on attack. I wish a man would try to punch me in the leg during a fight!!!!)

Silva reminds me of Timmy Duncan and the Spurs. People discount Tim Duncan because he's "boring" and unexciting. The only endorsement I've ever seen from him was a Barbosal shaving cream one and another one in which I can't name.

But, all he does is win. 4 championships, two without the admiral I believe. Win. Statisically he's better than KG, and could rival Karl Malone's numbers by the time he retires. Yet, he doesn't get the respect he deserves and people discount his talents. But, he wins. Wins.

Silva wins. Doesn't matter if it's a 30 second KO or a 25 min drawn out snoozefest...he wins. Isn't winning better than losing?

I guess not when it comes to MMA. Only in MMA can someone 20-10 still be "feared". I was watching one UFC broadcast and that was said. I laughed hard! In boxing, you lsoe 3 fights and some people think you're getting washed up!
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']
I guess not when it comes to MMA. Only in MMA can someone 20-10 still be "feared". I was watching one UFC broadcast and that was said. I laughed hard! In boxing, you lsoe 3 fights and some people think you're getting washed up![/quote]

But that's also the beauty of the sport. Momentum can swing instantaneously and a fighter can get knocked out incredibly quickly. (see the Radach/Smith fight from the last Strikeforce card). For that reason in my eyes its all the more impressive that guys like Silva and Machida can fight for 15-25 minutes without taking damage and looking completely un-gassed.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand'] In boxing, you lsoe 3 fights and some people think you're getting washed up![/QUOTE]

Well, we won't get into what a joke boxing has become.:)
 
strongpimphand, you couldn't be more wrong. I have NO PROBLEM with Silva fighting like he's playing chess. But it has no business being the main event on a PPV show. You're insulting everybody's intelligence by saying we don't know how to appreciate a skilled fighter. I've been watching MMA since it was a freakshow, when people booed any time a fight went to the mat. Those are the people who don't understand MMA.

You tried to make a comparison to boxing, I can PROMISE you that if a boxing match played out like this fight did (and many have), with Silva just circling and throwing one jab every 30-40 seconds, and a couple flurries that resulted in Leites quickly clinching to wait for a break...it would have been booed. It would have gotten huge criticism, and the PPV buyers would be upset. This is no different.

Comparing it to basketball is ridiculous because you're taking a team sport, with only one way to determine a winner (most points), versus a man against man competition that can have multiple outcomes. Like it or not, it's about money. If people had to pay $40 to watch the NBA Finals, you better damn well believe they'd want a good show. This is why Dana White apologized.

If you can sit here and tell me, with a straight face, that you enjoyed watching the Silva fight, and thought it was worth the price of admission, then you're just a Silva fanboy. As I've said, if this is his new fight strategy: super cautious, don't take any risks, dance around, showboat, etc. fine. Let him fight that way...on the undercard. I could care less that he's the middleweight champ. It's a weak division anyway. What you're failing to recognize is that he's getting paid MORE MONEY to be a main event fighter. And say what you want, but he didn't give a main event effort.
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']How did Silva not earn his paycheck????

He won the fight.

A win is a win, right? He's not fighting to entertain you, he's fighting to win! It's not Silva's fault that his opponent did not want to win the fight.

I guess you have to explain to me how this is Silva's fault. Silva doesn't have to do "anything". It's Leites or whatever job to fight. It's his job to win. It's his job to win the score cards if he can't submit/knock out Silva. It's HIS job.

If you and I were fighting, and you were the champion...who's responsbility would it be to win the fight? Not yours, because you already have the championship. It's mine to win. You could run in circles and climb the cage (if its legal) and it'd still be my job to beat you. The challenger must beat the champion.

The only way Silva lost on saturday was by future endorsements and marketing opportunities. I'm sure Silva wasn't too concerned about that though. Looks like he just wanted to fight the way he wanted to fight, as a champion should have the choice of doing.

There's this sense of entitlement that MMA fans have showed over this fight that seems crazy. Especially how the Liddell fight has been coveraged in contrast. In his fight, he got knocked out silly and yet that blog made it seem as if that's the right way to perform. Go hard or go home. In this Silva fight, the man won and he's being booed because THE CHALLENGER DID NOT WANT TO FIGHT.

Weird.[/quote]


Oh yeah......god forbid a lot of us MMA fans have expectations as to how a champion and supposed p4p best in the world (bullshit) should fight. Silva did not earn his money because he was getting paid main event money and he put on a performance that was deserving of the undercard. But yeah I guess you're right about his amazing performance, I guess his performance was so spectacular that that is why Dana White issued an apology for the PPV.

One reason why PRIDE was so great was because of the yellow cards they would give out during fights if fighters weren't doing anything. If yellow cards would have been available for the Silva/Leites fight, Leites would have gotten 5% of his paycheck and Silva might have gotten 8% of his check. I used to think that the 25 minutes of Sylvia/Arlovski shadow boxing was the worst main event I had ever seen, but Silva/Leites blew that fight out of the water in terms of shityness.
 
The point is that for a title fight, Leites was unspeakably passive. This is a shot for the belt, but he was content to stand there and defend and lie/flop on his back. He didn't try more than a few times to take Silva down. He didn't try period.

You guys saw how frustrated Silva was getting. It was not his fault the fight went that way. It was up to Leites to do something instead of falling down on the ground.
 
Leites failed to engage despite losing. Silva had no reason to engage and played it safe against a non-engaging opponent. I can't blame him for that. However, that's a crappy match to watch and disappoints the paying customer. Overall, it's a case of an interesting match on paper turning out as anything except that. It sucks, but it happens.
 
[quote name='bg88']Oh yeah......god forbid a lot of us MMA fans have expectations as to how a champion and supposed p4p best in the world (bullshit) should fight. Silva did not earn his money because he was getting paid main event money and he put on a performance that was deserving of the undercard. But yeah I guess you're right about his amazing performance, I guess his performance was so spectacular that that is why Dana White issued an apology for the PPV.

One reason why PRIDE was so great was because of the yellow cards they would give out during fights if fighters weren't doing anything. If yellow cards would have been available for the Silva/Leites fight, Leites would have gotten 5% of his paycheck and Silva might have gotten 8% of his check. I used to think that the 25 minutes of Sylvia/Arlovski shadow boxing was the worst main event I had ever seen, but Silva/Leites blew that fight out of the water in terms of shityness.[/QUOTE]
It was his job to win. He won. How much more complicated does it get from there?!?!?

It's not his job to win - it was his fight to lose.
 
Pasting this from the other thread, because some people don't get around, haha.

My question is at what point do you figure out the guy is no threat to you, and just take him out? That's what should have happened. Yeah, Leites showed that he was completely outclassed by Silva, but that's the exact reason Silva should have pressed the fight. Silva was too quick to be taken down, and Leites doesn't have the striking to hurt him. Once you figure out the guy can't do shit to you, dispose of him.

I've heard plenty of guys say that their "switch" doesn't get flipped until they get hit once. Silva was fighting like Leites had a knife or something, lol. Did he think that if he threw big strikes he would have been taken down? Because that doesn't show much confidence in his own ability. If he's as good as people give him credit for, he should have been able to throw some big punches, and STILL stuff the takedown. And I believe he could have...he just didn't care to. For all the people saying Silva was just being cautious...I'd like to know, what did Leites show that he should be leary of?

Also, like ced said (ced said...haha), it is a crappy fight to watch. This is why I hope Silva doesn't get any more main events. If he's not comfortable being aggressive and knocking opponents out, I don't see a reason why Dana should feel comfortable investing so much money in him. After all, Dana would just be "doing his job".
 
[quote name='strongpimphand']It was his job to win. He won. How much more complicated does it get from there?!?!?

It's not his job to win - it was his fight to lose.[/quote]


It is his job to win which he did.....but it is also his job to put on at least a decent performance. That is why he was he in the main event of the PPV. He is supposed to be the biggest star in the UFC and one of the best fighters in the world. Top fighter in the world is not a title that gets thrown around often so when you are considered one of the best in the world and you are clearly fighting an opponent that is not in your league, why not try and finish the fight? Why not finish the fight early and show that you are worth being in the main event and you deserve to earn that kind of money?

I don't understand why that is so difficult to understand.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']What.



http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/04/21/bobby-lashley-to-face-bob-sapp-on-june-27/#cont[/quote]

What? You didn't know Lashley has been fighting MMA...or didn't know he appeared at the last TNA PPV? It's the latter statement that surprised me. I guess he's not concerned with his credibility at all, haha. I'd still like to know how the hell he managed to pass the steroid test, and yet Ken Shamrock gets busted.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']Yeah this replaces Sylvia vs. Arlovski as the worst main event I have ever seen in the UFC. I am fed up with Silva at this point. I am sorry but the UFC really needs to stop with the "greatest P4P fighter in the world" bullshit. It is and will continue to be Fedor until he either retires or loses.[/quote]

QFT I mean just watch his many fights in Pride he's a machine! Plus he made Arlovski look horrible in the last Affliction. Anyone know if Fedor vs Barnett is going to happen?

[quote name='ced']Leites failed to engage despite losing. Silva had no reason to engage and played it safe against a non-engaging opponent. I can't blame him for that. However, that's a crappy match to watch and disappoints the paying customer. Overall, it's a case of an interesting match on paper turning out as anything except that. It sucks, but it happens.[/quote]

Very true he defended his title. Imagine if Silva pulled this in ancient Rome they would have thrown him to the lions :lol:
 
yeah that last ufc ppv was pretty bad overall. the next one is going to be amazing the machida fight will be one for the history books. guy is one of the best and most interesting fighters in the biz. anybody know if hes in the ufc game?
 
Yes Machida is in the game


Heavyweights: Andrei Arlovski, Mark Coleman, Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, Gabriel Gonzaga, Antoni Hardonk, Heath Herring, Cheick Kongo, Brock Lesnar, Justin McCully, Frank Mir, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Eddie Sanchez, Tim Sylvia, Cain Velasquez, Brandon Vera (LHW) and Fabricio Werdum
Light heavyweights: Houston Alexander, Ryan Bader (downloadable character available exclusively through GameStop), Tim Boetsch, Stephan Bonnar, Rashad Evans, Wilson Gouveia (MW), Forrest Griffin, James Irvin, Quinton Jackson, Keith Jardine, Chuck Liddell, Lyoto Machida, Kazuhiro Nakamura, Tito Ortiz, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, Thiago Silva and Wanderlei Silva
Middleweights: Ricardo Almeida, Michael Bisping (LHW), Kendall Grove, Rich Franklin (LHW), Dan Henderson (LHW), Martin Kampmann (WW), Chris Leben, Thales Leites, Jason MacDonald, Demian Maia, Nate Marquardt, Drew McFedries, Yushin Okami, Amir Sadollah (WW), Anderson Silva (LHW) and Evan Tanner
Welterweights: Thiago Alves, Matt Arroyo, Kyle Bradley, Josh Burkman, Marcus Davis, Jon Fitch, Matt Hughes, Anthony Johnson, Josh Koscheck, Chris Lytle, Karo Parisyan, Diego Sanchez, Ben Saunders, Matt Serra (LW), Georges St. Pierre and Mike Swick (MW)
Lightweights: Mark Bocek, Rich Clementi, Mac Danzig, Nathan Diaz, Frankie Edgar, Efrain Escudero (downloadable character available exclusively through GameStop), Spencer Fisher, Kenny Florian, Hermes Franca, Tyson Griffin, Roger Huerta, Joe Lauzon, Gray Maynard, B.J. Penn (WW), Sean Sherk (WW), Joe Stevenson and Thiago Tavares


The US case has Forrest Griffin and the Canadian one has GSP. Glad to see Evan Tanner (RIP) on the roster.
 
[quote name='evildeadjedi']Yes Machida is in the game


Heavyweights: Andrei Arlovski, Mark Coleman, Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, Gabriel Gonzaga, Antoni Hardonk, Heath Herring, Cheick Kongo, Brock Lesnar, Justin McCully, Frank Mir, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Eddie Sanchez, Tim Sylvia, Cain Velasquez, Brandon Vera (LHW) and Fabricio Werdum
Light heavyweights: Houston Alexander, Ryan Bader (downloadable character available exclusively through GameStop), Tim Boetsch, Stephan Bonnar, Rashad Evans, Wilson Gouveia (MW), Forrest Griffin, James Irvin, Quinton Jackson, Keith Jardine, Chuck Liddell, Lyoto Machida, Kazuhiro Nakamura, Tito Ortiz, Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, Thiago Silva and Wanderlei Silva
Middleweights: Ricardo Almeida, Michael Bisping (LHW), Kendall Grove, Rich Franklin (LHW), Dan Henderson (LHW), Martin Kampmann (WW), Chris Leben, Thales Leites, Jason MacDonald, Demian Maia, Nate Marquardt, Drew McFedries, Yushin Okami, Amir Sadollah (WW), Anderson Silva (LHW) and Evan Tanner
Welterweights: Thiago Alves, Matt Arroyo, Kyle Bradley, Josh Burkman, Marcus Davis, Jon Fitch, Matt Hughes, Anthony Johnson, Josh Koscheck, Chris Lytle, Karo Parisyan, Diego Sanchez, Ben Saunders, Matt Serra (LW), Georges St. Pierre and Mike Swick (MW)
Lightweights: Mark Bocek, Rich Clementi, Mac Danzig, Nathan Diaz, Frankie Edgar, Efrain Escudero (downloadable character available exclusively through GameStop), Spencer Fisher, Kenny Florian, Hermes Franca, Tyson Griffin, Roger Huerta, Joe Lauzon, Gray Maynard, B.J. Penn (WW), Sean Sherk (WW), Joe Stevenson and Thiago Tavares


The US case has Forrest Griffin and the Canadian one has GSP. Glad to see Evan Tanner (RIP) on the roster.[/quote]


man i cant wait for a review or at the very least a demo. i hope they put out a demo.
 
[quote name='lokizz']man i cant wait for a review or at the very least a demo. i hope they put out a demo.[/quote]

The demo is already out for people who pre-ordered at Gamestop. Several of us have been playing it since Friday. It officially gets released on the Marketplace on Thursday though. You should check out the thread on the 360 board.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']The demo is already out for people who pre-ordered at Gamestop. Several of us have been playing it since Friday. It officially gets released on the Marketplace on Thursday though. You should check out the thread on the 360 board.[/quote]


thanks for the heads up on that ill check it out now.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']What? You didn't know Lashley has been fighting MMA...or didn't know he appeared at the last TNA PPV?[/QUOTE]

I knew both. I'm just surprised this match is happening. Is/has Sapp even been fighting lately?
 
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