MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) Thread: UFC/Strikeforce

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Brown vs. Faber was a great fight. The WEC card as a whole was really solid last night, lot's of good action all around.
 
[quote name='cgarb84']Brown vs. Faber was a great fight. The WEC card as a whole was really solid last night, lot's of good action all around.[/QUOTE]
WEC cards have been great lately. Always exciting fights. I really, really wish that Faber hadn't broken his hand. Would have significantly changed the fight for sure.
 
Next up UFC 99 which airs on Sunday 13th at 3pm since its in Germany. Anyone watching TUF? Really surprising fights, the past 2 weeks. Seeing that American kid who had just fought and lost his front teeth the fight before, out heart that british guy was amazing. Bisping is such a bitch, he's always whining. He needs to take some lessons from Henderson on how to be chill and be thoughtful of what you say.
 
[quote name='homeland']Next up UFC 99 which airs on Sunday 13th at 3pm since its in Germany. Anyone watching TUF? Really surprising fights, the past 2 weeks. Seeing that American kid who had just fought and lost his front teeth the fight before, out heart that british guy was amazing. Bisping is such a bitch, he's always whining. He needs to take some lessons from Henderson on how to be chill and be thoughtful of what you say.[/QUOTE]

I've hated Bisping since he was a fighter on TUF and was constantly bitching that Ortiz was giving Hammill special attention. Of course Hammill was going to get some special attention, he can't hear. I hope Henderson destroys Bisping.
 
I'm with you guys on this. Bisping is just a crybaby. Henderson is coming off looking like gold, he's so laid back. I too hope Dan crushed Bisping. Although if he doesn't, I'm sure Anderson Silva will.
 
Bitchping hater here as well. I enjoyed the WEC card the other night lots of entertaining fights. I still have not seen the Strikeforce one though. Only 3 episodes in on the TUF I need to catch up! Anyone else think this weeks PPV should be a free one on Spike?
 
[quote name='One4Deuce']Holy sh!t!!!! Did you guys see Faber's hand??? Credit to him for finishing the fight, that's incredible in my eyes.[/QUOTE]


I saw! 'Tis very impressive how Faber let the fight go to a decision and didn't get finished by Brown. Speaking of which, considering Faber's hand(s), I'm somewhat surprised Brown wasn't able to finish Faber. Faber himself exhibited excellent takedown defense all throughout the fight. Considering how he did so with one/no hands, I find it to be very impressive. Brown himself was also impressive. It was just a good fight, even despite Faber's injury/injuries.
 
That Brown/Faber fight was a very good fight. That was the best main event fight I have seen in a while in any promotion. WEC main events usually end up being better than UFC main events.
 
[quote name='bg88']That Brown/Faber fight was a very good fight. That was the best main event fight I have seen in a while in any promotion. WEC main events usually end up being better than UFC main events.[/QUOTE]


I have to agree it's a shame about Faber's hand. Really want to see Faber vs Brown 3!
 
Just a reminder, UFC 99 is on tomorrow at 3pm est. Hopefully we'll see some descent fights. Don't know much about any of the fighters except Kongo is a French black guy and everyone seems to love Mirko "CroCop" Filipović on the UFC 360 thread.
 
[quote name='BoSoxFan900']I'm really looking forward to Silva and Franklin. That should be a war. I'm really interested to see how Cro Cop comes out tomorrow too.[/QUOTE]


Considering how the person set to face CroCop is, I think, 6-4, it seems UFC is feeding him to CroCop so CroCop can get back to his winning ways.

Franklin/Silva should be a good fight, though. :D
 
[quote name='Chase']Considering how the person set to face CroCop is, I think, 6-4, it seems UFC is feeding him to CroCop so CroCop can get back to his winning ways.

Franklin/Silva should be a good fight, though. :D[/QUOTE]

I thought the same thing but I did at the gonzaga fight too so....

Should be a good card, I think the Franklin/Silva fight will be a good one to watch too.

Personally, I cant wait for UFC 100!!!!
 
Wow, nice fight from Mike Swick. I've liked him since his time on TUF. It's crazy that dude has dropped from 205 to 170. His power is ridiculous at 170. 9-1 in the UFC. He really needs a title shot.
 
That poke looked disgusting, but Mustafa didn't look like much of a threat anyway. Anyone else see the fighter with Condomworld.com ad right on their ass?:lol:
 
Way to go dumbass Dan Miragliotta for ruining Cro Cop's first fight back. No doubt Cro Cop would have won, but for it be on a pussy eye poke like that is pathetic. What was Miragliotta looking at??? Fight should have been stopped, give Al-Turk 30 seconds, then let Cro Cop kick his ass. Dana really needs to start reprimanding these refs for sucking.
 
Got caught up in some stuff, so didn't get to start watching till the Swick fight. Pretty disappointing show so far. I mean, Swick and Cro Cop looked good, but the fights on the whole weren't anything to write home about.

And then there's Cheick Kongo. He's one of my 3 favorite heavyweights, and I was hoping he would win and get a future title shot, preferably against my favorite heavyweight, Brock Lesnar (What can I say? Liked him since WWE). But Kongo did jack and shit for most of that fight. Velazquez dominated him. Cain is the truth.
 
Yeah, wow...TERRIBLE fight from Cheick Kongo. That really disappointed me because I thought he was on his way to a title shot. Velasquez is a good wrestler, but unless he learns some submissions, he's not going to beat any of the top guys. He's one of those "window dressing" fighters who just stays busy to make you think he's doing damage. Dude punches like a girl. Kongo just looked completely unprepared. Ironically, if you could combine Kongo and Velasquez's skills, you'd have one hell of a fighter.
 
Finally, a good fight. That was a quality main event with a great finish. Surprised Franklin got the unanimous decision. I figured it would be split.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Finally, a good fight. That was a quality main event with a great finish. Surprised Franklin got the unanimous decision. I figured it would be split.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that was one hell of a fight. I'm glad Franklin got the decision though because he really controlled most of the fight. Silva MIGHT have stolen the 2nd round, and then he tried again to steal the 3rd round, but fortunately the judges could see past a couple flurries when the crowd was going wild (thanks to Silva's own doing). Always gotta love it when Jim Carrey notches a win :)
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Way to go dumbass Dan Miragliotta for ruining Cro Cop's first fight back. No doubt Cro Cop would have won, but for it be on a pussy eye poke like that is pathetic. What was Miragliotta looking at??? Fight should have been stopped, give Al-Turk 30 seconds, then let Cro Cop kick his ass. Dana really needs to start reprimanding these refs for sucking.[/QUOTE]Don't stress to much on Cro Cop, dude is already gone from the UFC.

Not long after stopping Mostapha Al-Turk in the first round of UFC 99 on Saturday at Lanxess Arena in his first fight in the UFC since back-to-back losses in 2007, Filipovic informed UFC president Dana White that he had signed a three-fight contract with the Japan-based DREAM.
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Velasquez dominated, too bad he couldn't finish Kongo.
 
Wasn't expecting to see Franklin go punch for punch with Silva, I kept waiting for Franklin to take it to the ground.

Cheik Congo was taken apart, but Cain really need to learn some submissions, he could of had a rear naked choke like 88 times.

And I disagree with the Dan Hardy deicison, I really thought Marcus Davis had it 29-28
 
Man the Sherdog forums are even a bigger joke than usual. About 90% of the people on there are losing their shit saying Silva got robbed by the decision. I mean REALLY??? I gave it to Franklin 29-28, I have no idea how someone could give the 3rd to Silva. Pushing forward not landing anything and jacking the crowd up doesn't equal winning the round. That being said I love Silva and am saddened by what appears to be a very long and slow demise from greatness. The fight was really a lose/lose for me, Franklin's my favorite fighter and Wanderlei is in my top-5.
 
franklin won that fight but both fighters really underwhelmed me with their incredibly poor skills display. really both looked sloppy and didn't appear to have any gameplan.

if my livelihood was fighting i certainly wouldn't be taking huge risks for little gains in a stand up battle.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']franklin won that fight but both fighters really underwhelmed me with their incredibly poor skills display. really both looked sloppy and didn't appear to have any gameplan.

if my livelihood was fighting i certainly wouldn't be taking huge risks for little gains in a stand up battle.[/QUOTE]

I'm kind of surprised that some people seem to feel this way. I personally thought both fighters looked pretty good. Silva fought similarly to how he usually does by fighting with his "berserk" style of throwing lots of punches. I also thought Franklin did what he does well and used more careful accurate punches and used counter-punches effectively.
 
Most of the decisions on the show were really close (besides Cain/Kongo). Nothing worth paying for though.


I am so happy Sylva got knocked out by Mercer. I hate Big Tim and seeing him get embarrassed has made my day!
 
Why is it that when Clay Guida humps and grinds a guy for three rounds he gets the win but when Uno does it (and gets mount late in the fight, delivering damage) he loses?

The 10 point must system is a joke for MMA. The sport needs, and I mean desperately needs a new system for judging fights. Am I the only one that feels this way?
 
[quote name='One4Deuce']Why is it that when Clay Guida humps and grinds a guy for three rounds he gets the win but when Uno does it (and gets mount late in the fight, delivering damage) he loses?

The 10 point must system is a joke for MMA. The sport needs, and I mean desperately needs a new system for judging fights. Am I the only one that feels this way?[/QUOTE]

It has nothing to do with the scoring, as you can have 10-10 rounds in MMA.

The biggest misconception associated with the 10 point must system, particularly amongst Mixed Martial Arts fans, is that you cannot have a 10:10 round. 10:10 rounds are infrequent within MMA but are allowed within the rules.

Reasons for this misconception stem largely from the phrasing of the brief rules description at the start of UFC broadcasts "The round winner gets 10 points, with his opponent receiving 9 or less".

At no point does this description state that there must be a round winner, however this is often assumed by the viewer as there is no mention of 10:10 as an option.

Additionally, 10:10 rounds rarely dictate the outcome of a bout even when they do occur, as they are usually awarded by one judge at a time. One noteable exception where a 10:10 round did dictate the fight result is the 2003 bout between Ian Freeman and Vernon White. The fight was scored 30-27, 28-29, 29-29 with the final scorecard including a 10:10 round.
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Regardless of how many points you award each fighter, the important thing is determining if one fighter legitimately won that round. I think, for the most part, judges try to stay away from 10-10 rounds because it keeps the fight stagnant, and as the quote mentions, usually does little to affect the outcome.

Another idea I've heard thrown around is that winning a 10-8 round should count more than losing a 10-9 round. But it just creates too many problems. If you're able to get your ass kicked and survive a round, you shouldn't be starting the next round having to "make up" points.

Each round is essentially a separate fight, and I agree with that. The reason being, if you beat your opponent 10-8 (or even 10-7) in the first round, but allow him to storm back and win the next two rounds 10-9, you don't deserve to win.

I'll admit, I thought Uno did enough to win the fight, but 29-28 calls are so close, you're talking about valuing one punch more than a stuffed takedown, or vice versa. As Dana White always says though, that's what you get for leaving it in the hands of the judges. If you're going to bitch and whine about decisions, then end the fight.

I think the biggest travesty of the show was chicken shit Mirko Cro Cop's eyepoke and dash. By not seeing it, the referee basically allowed cheating to lead to victory. That's far worse for the validity of the sport than judgment calls that could go either way.
 
TUF finale is on tonight. I'm more excited for the Frank Lester vs Nick Osipczak fight. Lester was the highlight of the season for me and I'm sure for others. Doing some research as I'm making my next UFC CAF based on him, apparently Henderson invited him back to train with him at Team Quest after the show ended. Yet another example of what a cool cat Henderson is.
 
I hope Demarques and Pearson win. Lester showed great heart and certainly was the highlight of the season(congrats for being the first comeback fighter in TUF history). Lester should definitely go train with Team Quest(really needs to work on ground defense but his takedown defense really improved though!) I can't wait for the Sanchez fight as well!! Free UFC is always a win!
 
Damn, that Guida sure knows how to take a beating, that first round was horrendous for him, and that other kick by Diego, damn, it was for a knockout, and he survived, wth!!!!Great last fight!
 
Some damn bloody fights last night. Especially the last one. Looked like a human sacrifice at some points with bodies covered in blood. Descent fights all around, though little disappointed that my boy Frank Lester lost his fight.
 
Wow. The aggression in at the start of Round 1 made Joe Rogan say "Oh my god" and had myself saying similar exclamations. When Sanchez landed the head kick after Guida put in his mouth piece, I thought Guida was knocked out.

(I had no idea cavemen could bleed until Guida fought Sanchez.) ;)

In Round 2, Guida tried to work his 'anti-jiu-jutsu' style against Sanchez, but Sanchez seemed unaffected by Guida's offense.

Sanchez worked some real nice, brutal elbows from the bottom.

I think Guida won Round 3, but Sanchez did not get dominated (as the scores showed). This fight was most enjoyable. And, it was free, which is great promotion for the UFC. :D

Quote of the Night: "It looked like he was about to breakdance." :rofl:
 
Guida is a fucking warrior! I nearly jumped out of my seat twice during that first round. One of the best rounds I have ever seen. Definate FOTY so far!
 
Diaz vs Stevenson was putting me to sleep.
Pearson vs Winner was entertaining fairly close congrats Pearson!
My boy Demarque looked out of his league congrats to Wilks!
Lytle vs Burns was a nice brawl!
Sanchez vs Guida was fucking WAR!!! Definitely one of the top 100 best UFC fights of all time! Sanchez did good playing the Bas Rutten card by using the elbows to your opponents dome(ie Randleman vs Rutten UFC 20 and Bas won by doing this cause Randleman pretty much layed on him for 3 rounds).
 
Feelin'-goofy Meltzer with a fine Lesnar-Mir preview:

*Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir end 18 months of fans arguing on message boards on whether Steve Mazzagatti saved Mir's ass or that Lesnar is an untalented oaf that any real fighter under the age of 44, that doesn't have an Olympic silver medal, nor wear a cowboy hat, would beat with ease and send him back to his home in the snow in the Middle of Nowhere, Minnesota to watch the three hunting channels that his television with rabbit ears can pick up. An interesting trivia note here is that this is the first heavyweight title fight in UFC history where not only are both men going to be new fathers right before fight time, but that in both cases, their wives cut better promos than they do. I guess we'll find out who is the one getting sleepless nights changing diapers and who is hiding in the basement to get a decent night of sleep.
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[quote name='KaneRobot']Feelin'-goofy Meltzer with a fine Lesnar-Mir preview:[/QUOTE]

The whole update that day was insane. It was totally worth it... a few weeks(?) back, but it was great.
 
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