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[quote name='Magiblaze']I wouldn't call him the Paul Daley of the division but he does have some power in those hands.Still I'd expect Faber to beat him and earn a decision.Faber is a tough guy but he can still be finished and records can be a little deceiving at times.Like just for an example a guy like Donald Cerrone, pretty great stand up and can deliver some real painful shots but hes only got one tko/ko listed on his record.[/QUOTE]

True, but Cerrone has only activated his beast mode on the feet in his last couple fights, prior to that he wasn't putting together much in the way of striking or punching power.

[quote name='paz9x']you said it genius. Have you seen his fights? or did you just look up the fight finder to list his ko's? he has good power, i dont consider it subjective. I didnt say he was going to ko faber. could he? yep. hes a good fighter. you said hes a mid level fighter, i disagreed.[/QUOTE]

I know all about Bowles, and I know he isn't a big puncher. I think his power is overrated because he knocked out weak chinned Torres, but other then that all he does is fight LIKE he has power. Swinging all wild, but he won't be stopping anyone halfway durable like that.

That would be like me saying Benavidez "has good power" because he stunned Torres before submitting him. Benavidez isn't a very big puncher either.
 
[quote name='Chase']Ronda Rousey is a beast. R.I.P. Julia Budd's arm.

Dominick Cruz-Ronda Rousey for UFC on FOX 2, plz.[/QUOTE]

I assume you're saying you want to see Rousey and Cruz on the same card? :rofl:

In any case, Rousey is a true beast on the ground. Her striking is a far ways away from being solid, but she has slick and very swift transitions on the ground. The amount of time she took to latch onto the armbar from mount was insane, and obviously everything was technically sharp as well.
 
NAH DAWG

I want Cruz-Rousey for a unified UFC Bantamweight title. Who DOESN'T want to see two of the best bantamweights fight for the title? She's legit. A few more wins and I say Dana/Joe Silva/Sean Shelby/the Fertittas allow her to fight Cruz in the UFC for a unified title. Who's to say she doesn't manhandle Cruz and break his arm?

If they book that fight, I'd roll whatever winnings I have from whatever previous UFC card, and put half of it on Rousey to win.

A part of my prediction would depend on her performance against Miesha Tate. If she stomps Tate, put her in with mid-level guys like Antonio Banuelos or Chase Beebe, and see how she does. Banuelos stands and swings; Beebe is a decent wrestling test.
 
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[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']I know all about Bowles, and I know he isn't a big puncher. I think his power is overrated because he knocked out weak chinned Torres, but other then that all he does is fight LIKE he has power. Swinging all wild, but he won't be stopping anyone halfway durable like that.

That would be like me saying Benavidez "has good power" because he stunned Torres before submitting him. Benavidez isn't a very big puncher either.[/QUOTE]

yeah torres has a notoriously weak chin, he gets hurt in TONS of fights. damacio page also gets hurt on the feet ALL the time. the guy has power you dont know what youre talking about, sorta your niche.
 
Late to post this here, but here are my picks.

UFC 139.

Tibau by UD, Torres goes on cruise control and wins by UD, Weidman by UD, McDonald by TKO, Brilz upsets Bader by SD, Kingsbu passes a test in Bonnar by UD, Kampmann derails Story's hypetrain by UD, Le pulls off what I would call an upset and TKOs Silva, and Faber grinds out a UD against Bowles. Hendo-Rua is a tough fight to call. I have Hendo by TKO.

And Tibau is huge. I'm 5'10", 185, and in pretty solid shape, and he looked bigger than I am. He must have been walking at 178-180 for the fight. He's huge for 155.
 
Perfect on my picks, thus far. We'll see if I wind up happy that I rolled some of my winnings to bet on this card. We shall see.

Edit: Totally forgot Bellator 58 is also tonight. Gotta see Alvarez-Chandler, Prangley-Lombard. Bjorn Rebney needs to stop booking cards the same night as the UFC.
 
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Just a heads up...if you are in the 360 dashboard beta and got the "no more spots are available" message earlier when trying to get the UFC stream for free, try again. I got that message this morning but was able to get in about 20 minutes ago.
 
I'm 6-1 so far tonight.The one I ended up getting wrong was the Brown vs. Seth fight so thats a bummer.Really even close main card though,just about every bout on it feels like a "pick em".I'm going with Hendo by either a 3rd or 4th round TKO/KO,Wandy probably with a second round TKO/KO,Story SD,Faber UD,and Kingsbury UD.
 
Oh my god! Chandler!

Edit: Chandler-Alvarez is my pick for fight of the year, as of now. 'Twas more back and forth than Maynard-Edgar 2. Man, what a fight!
 
Bowles' speed advantage and big power and solid striking looked fantastic tonight. :rofl: Faber was much faster and clearly tooled him on the feet. Bowles is a MID-LEVEL fighter, nothing more.

He got dominated on the feet and hurt, then beaten up and submitted from mount on the ground. Faber is what elite is, Bowles will never be at such a level.
 
Referee Dan Stell should be stripped of his license to ref MMA. Wandy had Le, but the ref was hovering the whole time, straight amateur.
 
The Chandler-Alvarez was pretty epic! During the 3rd round Chandler was spent and I thought he was a goner, either stopped or going to loss a decision but he got enough air in him between rounds to finish the fight and what a fight it was.
 
[quote name='seen']Referee Dan Stell should be stripped of his license to ref MMA. Wandy had Le, but the ref was hovering the whole time, straight amateur.[/QUOTE]

Agreed but Le was on his way out IMO. Damn, Wandy was fucking lethal.....that's pride wandy right there.
 
It happens,but isn't like not a single one person was doubting Faber would win the fight here,and hes still above mid level I'd say just Faber happens to be one of the best 135ers out there and just happens to be better in just about every area.

I suppose it would be worse though, like someone thinking the first Nam Phan vs. Garcia fight was a close one despite being highway robbery of the year :applause:.
 
Ridiculous main event.

Whoo, went 5-0 on the main card, and called the finish on 4 of them (had Kampmann winning by stoppage)...was on the top of my friends list. The 360 interface for this is pretty awesome. I actually didn't know the main was going to be five rounds so I thought I was screwed on the win type, but lucked out.
 
[quote name='Ronzilla']WOW :applause::applause::applause:[/QUOTE]

Indeed.

Chandler-Alvarez, Hendo-Shogun, and everything in between. What a great night to be a fight fan. I love this sport.
 
Went 9-3 so overall not too bad but still some room for improvement there.Theres been some great fights tonight though just wow.To me this card tonight felt like the best overall card with the least amount of hype/promotion behind it which is a bit of a shame.
 
Great finish, it looked like Shogun was going to put away Hendo (which he needed to win the fight). I wonder if Dan damaged his hand as he stopped loading up, I guess the post fight conference will address that shortly.

On boxing, if anyone switched over to HBO for Chavez vs Manfredo again more ref bludners. Manfredo should have gotten a standing 8 count not a stoppage.
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Bowles' speed advantage and big power and solid striking looked fantastic tonight. :rofl: Faber was much faster and clearly tooled him on the feet. Bowles is a MID-LEVEL fighter, nothing more.

He got dominated on the feet and hurt, then beaten up and submitted from mount on the ground. Faber is what elite is, Bowles will never be at such a level.[/QUOTE]

go back to your garbage site you keep trying to pimp here. you only post here to be a douche.
 
fucking absolutely incredible card tonight. Decided to head to Buffalo Wild Wings to catch the action.. So glad we ended up watching the fights. I was originally uninterested, but the card was packed, and did not disappoint. The main event might have been the best fight I've ever seen, definitely the best fight I've seen live at least.. The epic college football games in the background were great too, the place was going nuts since Oregon and OU losing and OSU last night is good news for the hometown Razorbacks... What an incredible night for MMA fans and college football fans alike. Just wow.
 
[quote name='MillerTime2523']fucking absolutely incredible card tonight. Decided to head to Buffalo Wild Wings to catch the action.. So glad we ended up watching the fights. I was originally uninterested, but the card was packed, and did not disappoint. The main event might have been the best fight I've ever seen, definitely the best fight I've seen live at least.. The epic college football games in the background were great too, the place was going nuts since Oregon and OU losing and OSU last night is good news for the hometown Razorbacks... What an incredible night for MMA fans and college football fans alike. Just wow.[/QUOTE]

I heard about Oregon and OU. Man...

And yesterday with Strikeforce Challengers, today with Bellator and UFC, and tomorrow with Fedor-Monson, it's been a real enjoyable weekend. Hahaha...

Sidebar, but is anyone else a big NickTheFace fan? This has to be NickTheFace's best work to date.

Overeem hits hard and Lesnar doesn't like getting hit. Last time I checked the odds, it was dead even. Lesnar has fought diverticulitis and looks to be in the best shape he's been in since UFC 100. "Ubereem" is just an other-worldy beast. I'd put money on Overeem 'cause Brock doesn't like to get hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8prwdviyg
 
fucking Shogun and Henderson reeled me right back into MMA. I haven't seen a fight like that for a while! I missed the Faber and Bowles, but the submission win did not surprise me. I wanted Bowles to win but what ever. Hopefully this makes my dream matchup happen: Torres vs Faber.

The Miguel Torres I saw tonight, is the fighter that I remember falling in love with. First round, I was thinking "Aww man, you can tell he's still hesitant and shaken" Soon as that thought crossed my mind, here comes Miguel Torres! I'd like to see him fight like that against the top guys in the division. Had he not been so cautious with Mighty Mouse, he would have won.

BOXING: What the fuck, Manfredo? He was getting picked apart round after round. He was finally gaining momentum in the 4th/5th. Once Chavez swarmed him in the 5th, he did not throw a punch and he did not try to tie him up. He sees the Ref coming in for the stoppage, that's when he tries to tie up. C'mon, man! Really?!

Post fight: I'll throw this out there: I hate that translator. Being fluent in Spanish, the translation does these guys no good. Chavez was asked how he felt about Sergio Martinez. Quickly, he was fumbling for an answer. He immediately brought up Canelo Alvarez. Bob Arum is picking the fights for his Cash Cows. Chavez has no chance against Martinez.

Which leads me to the conclusion of why I still hate boxing. The fights are paid for. The Shogun and Henderson fight? The score was 48 to 47, which made perfect sense. Hendo definitely won the first 3 rounds and Shogun came back the last two. Last week? Pac and Marquez: Draw, 115 to 113 (Pac), 116 to 112 (Pac). The 115 to 113 is iffy but a little more digestible.. 116 to 112 though? Seriously? Come on!

Ahh I am amped up. Next week, Canelo vs Cintron. Following week, Margarito vs Cotto; after that: Jones vs Machida. Big Nog/Little Nog... then Brock vs Alistair! Good time to be a fan of MMA and Boxing!

Sorry for the rant! Keep on pushing fans! :)

*EDIT* What the fuck! Faber gets a title shot again? Seriously? One win and just like that. Aghhh. I was really hoping for Torres and Faber. Gah, make that 8 fights and 4 title shots -_-
 
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Yeah, I'm not too hyped for Faber-Cruz 3. But 135 in the UFC is shallow. Barao is the only other guy on the roster who deserves a title shot. Plus, it's only been, what, 4-5 months since their second fight. The only improvement Faber showed in his fight with Bowles is an increased killer instinct. That sorta aggression could help and Faber could drop Cruz, as he's strong for 135—but the footwork and movement of Cruz is just ridiculous, and a difficult, ever-changing puzzle. Put him and Edgar in a small room and they'd probably start a fire with their feet.

Anyone watch Fedor-Monson? I gotta see it. Most interesting development from the fight is Fedor having a gameplan and using leg kicks. I want to see if they were effective leg kicks or Hendo/Rampage/Maia leg kicks.
 
I'm with you on it.I feel like Faber and Torres need to fight someday, although I'd still go with Faber in that fight it just feels like a bit of a dream match up, the two dominant guys in their weightclasses back in their heyday and seemed like they weren't going to lose the belt anytime soon having FOTNs like anytime they went out there.

Am I in the alone here or does suddenly Stephan Bonnar vs. Forrest Griffin 3 sound like a fun match up to do again?
 
Yeah, I'd take Faber in a fight with Torres. Torres has a weakness when against wrestlers, like Johnson and Benavidez. Faber and Benavidez are pretty interchangeable. Faber has better standing strikes. I'd say Benavidez is stronger with better wrestling. Faber would grind out a UD—if not pull off a SUB—in a fight with Torres.

Bonnar-Griffin 3 would be interesting. I'd take Bonnar to win 'cause Griffin's heart doesn't appear to be in the game. He even made a joke on Twitter about his chin being shot. I'd take Bonnar to win by UD, if he fights smart; TKO if he stands and swings.

I'd like to see Vera-Bonnar next, for those two. I'm not a big Vera fan, but he has good Muay Thai. Bonnar himself has solid Muay Thai. I'd take Bonnar by UD as he's a more complete fighter who never quits. Vera would probably be pouting by the end of Round 1.
 
[quote name='paz9x']go back to your garbage site you keep trying to pimp here. you only post here to be a douche.[/QUOTE]

Bahaha, I don't post to be a douche but when people insist that somebody (Bowles in this case) is better then he is I feel the need to set them straight. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but people like you just don't see things clearly all the time.

Bowles being faster then Faber? Laughable and clearly not true, even before the fight. Bowles having good power? Haha...

I'm sure you want me to leave this thread so nobody can challenge your foolish nonsense ideas about some of these fighters.

P.S. For your information, Fightjunkie is one of THE best sites on the net filled with super knowledgeable people who live and breathe the fight game. They bet their MONEY on these fights and are very successful doing it, more then I could ever say about you I assume.
 
Anyways, Hendo/Rua was, I feel, the best fight I've ever seen. Back and forth nonstop incredible action. Hendo probably deserves the title shot, but I think he will have serious trouble getting past Jones, who can probably just wrestle him/outgrapple him to death unfortunately.

Kampmann looked excellent, and Story winning on one card is simply idiotic. No possible way Story won more then one round, and Kampmann dominated even in the wrestling department, which really impressed me.

Bonnar fought smart and looked good doing it. Kingsbu is a bum and always was, gassed out horribly again and got smashed on the ground. Bonnar isn't that bad, but he likes to brawl too much and that has led to defeat plenty of times. His wrestling and ground game are quite good though, so maybe he will get back to that and start putting together wins.
 
yeah youre a tool. i didnt say he was faster, apparently reading is a tough one for you. My foollish nonsense? like what? That bowles is above a "mid-tier fighter" yeah he is, he got his ass kicked by a fantastic fighter in faber. its not your opinion its that youre a dickhead. you should go hang out at your site filled with "super knowledgeable people" maybe some of it will rub off on you.

[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Bahaha, I don't post to be a douche but when people insist that somebody (Bowles in this case) is better then he is I feel the need to set them straight. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but people like you just don't see things clearly all the time.

Bowles being faster then Faber? Laughable and clearly not true, even before the fight. Bowles having good power? Haha...

I'm sure you want me to leave this thread so nobody can challenge your foolish nonsense ideas about some of these fighters.

P.S. For your information, Fightjunkie is one of THE best sites on the net filled with super knowledgeable people who live and breathe the fight game. They bet their MONEY on these fights and are very successful doing it, more then I could ever say about you I assume.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']
Kampmann looked excellent, and Story winning on one card is simply idiotic. No possible way Story won more then one round, and Kampmann dominated even in the wrestling department, which really impressed me.[/QUOTE]

Didnt your buddies that live and breathe the fight game let you now it was an error on a score card?
 
Let's keep it civil here guys; but for the record I'm not new to the fight scene and have never heard of this other site being mentioned.

Sonnen is such a douche bag, too bad he won't retire after his loss to Silva and further I think morons like him are bad for the sport. Oh, he also should address how he'll perform without PEDS against Silva; loser...

@bigpimpin24, I agree that Manfredo wasn't all there, but I still think the stoppage was waaay to early for a TKO. Anyone who has watched Arum long enough knows that he protects his "cash cow" fighters to not disrupt future paydays until its the end.

Cintron seems to have lost his edge after losing twice to Margacheto. Did you happen to catch the 24/7? His old trainer and Margarito are full of it claiming that they didn't know about it. Further whenever Margarito was talking about the wraps, he's wearing those large sunglasses to hide his true facial expression.
 
As was discussed on Sherdog's Rewind with the BALCO chemist guy, Hendo and Chael's use of TRT is okay. The issue with Chael's fight with Silva is that he turned in the paperwork late and lied about it.

I have spoken with my doctors about TRT. From what I've gathered, I think something like 1MR would give more of a boost than the extra testosterone.

Chael is a great speaker and self-promoter. In his interviews with Karyn Bryant, he acknowledges that a lot of what he says is hype. Dude seems real chill and nice.

(I'm a big Sonnen fan. A friend, Tyson Nam, trains at Team Quest. I'd love to do so myself.)
 
[quote name='Thekrakrabbit']Bahaha, I don't post to be a douche but when people insist that somebody (Bowles in this case) is better then he is I feel the need to set them straight. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but people like you just don't see things clearly all the time.

Bowles being faster then Faber? Laughable and clearly not true, even before the fight. Bowles having good power? Haha...

P.S. For your information, Fightjunkie is one of THE best sites on the net filled with super knowledgeable people who live and breathe the fight game. They bet their MONEY on these fights and are very successful doing it, more then I could ever say about you I assume.[/QUOTE]
Bowles just wasn't having a good night but then again not too many people do against Faber at 135 so far,hes not much of a chainer and just wanting a powerful one two.Man though you're acting as if you're like the only one to predict Faber would win here,literally everyone agreed Faber would sweep this one being better in like every area, and when talking about the speed thing it was said to be thinking a bit as in not very much at all.

If Fightjunkie is one of the most knowledgeable fights around, its a shame their knowledge hasn't rubbed off on you.P.S. Nam Phan vs. Garica I wasn't even close at all,learn how to score.Ask your buddies over there to teach you how if you thought that was a really close fight.

He only post that website here because he writes for it so can't be too special.I predicted Wanderlei crushing the can crusher Cung Le when you predicted Le,doesn't mean I need to go around and brag about it, and the Bowles-Faber thing everyone predicted.I know it must feel good to finally be right about something but seriously, act like you've been here before ;).
 
I actually picked Le to pull off the upset and finish Wand. Bad decision on my part! :oops:

Cung Le's corner should have shouted "The quicker you win, the more cookies you'll get!"

He would have started chucking that gut, after he dropped Silva at the start, and finished him. Hahaha...

Freakin' Cung and his "I love dessert more than I love winning" mentality.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Am I in the alone here or does suddenly Stephan Bonnar vs. Forrest Griffin 3 sound like a fun match up to do again?[/QUOTE]

I said the same thing to my wife (who has liked both fighters since their time on TUF). The first fight was great. The second fight, Forrest crushed him. But now that Stephan is fighting smart and Forrest is on a downward trend, I think Stephan could actually beat him.
 
[quote name='Magiblaze']Bowles just wasn't having a good night but then again not too many people do against Faber at 135 so far,hes not much of a chainer and just wanting a powerful one two.Man though you're acting as if you're like the only one to predict Faber would win here,literally everyone agreed Faber would sweep this one being better in like every area, and when talking about the speed thing it was said to be thinking a bit as in not very much at all.

If Fightjunkie is one of the most knowledgeable fights around, its a shame their knowledge hasn't rubbed off on you.P.S. Nam Phan vs. Garica I wasn't even close at all,learn how to score.Ask your buddies over there to teach you how if you thought that was a really close fight.

He only post that website here because he writes for it so can't be too special.I predicted Wanderlei crushing the can crusher Cung Le when you predicted Le,doesn't mean I need to go around and brag about it, and the Bowles-Faber thing everyone predicted.I know it must feel good to finally be right about something but seriously, act like you've been here before ;).[/QUOTE]

That fact that I picked Le has nothing to do with the final results, in which the entire team, myself included obviously, did very well. As I mentioned, everyone on Fightjunkie puts their money where they mouth is, which really nobody here does.

I may have picked Le in a fight that he was dominating before getting stopped in, but I also picked Henderson (as the underdog), Faber + Faber by stoppage (at huge odds) AND Kampmann as the underdog as well. My one loss on the night, which was Le, does not hurt me.

P.S. I don't brag, all I said after the Faber fight was that obviously Bowles wasn't what people were making him out to be. It was obvious that he wasn't in Faber's class.

[quote name='paz9x']yeah youre a tool. i didnt say he was faster, apparently reading is a tough one for you. My foollish nonsense? like what? That bowles is above a "mid-tier fighter" yeah he is, he got his ass kicked by a fantastic fighter in faber. its not your opinion its that youre a dickhead. you should go hang out at your site filled with "super knowledgeable people" maybe some of it will rub off on you.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say you specifically said he was faster, I just said that it was laughable to suggest he was. As far as the mid-level thing goes, if Bowles isn't mid-level then I guess you'd have no problem picking him against Cruz, Benavidez, Faber, etc.

:rofl:
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I said the same thing to my wife (who has liked both fighters since their time on TUF). The first fight was great. The second fight, Forrest crushed him. But now that Stephan is fighting smart and Forrest is on a downward trend, I think Stephan could actually beat him.[/QUOTE]

Would be a mighty BJJ battle most likely. I doubt they would get in the same war they once did.
 
[quote name='Chase']
Sidebar, but is anyone else a big NickTheFace fan? This has to be NickTheFace's best work to date.

Overeem hits hard and Lesnar doesn't like getting hit. Last time I checked the odds, it was dead even. Lesnar has fought diverticulitis and looks to be in the best shape he's been in since UFC 100. "Ubereem" is just an other-worldy beast. I'd put money on Overeem 'cause Brock doesn't like to get hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y8prwdviyg[/QUOTE]

Very nice vid.

I don't keep up with MMA too much, so I don't know anything about Overeem. I like Lesnar despite his many flaws not to mention I've always liked him since his WWE days.

As for the fight, it all depends on what Brock has learned from his embarrassing last fight. Brock may not like to be hit, but he can take hits. As long as he has gotten over that fear of being punched (doubtful) or will be smarter in his fighting, he will have a chance. But he can't just expect to get someone on the ground and smother-win them all the time. He knows how to wrestle, and he will need to learn to use it if he wants to get past his one-dimensional predictable fighting.
 
I went with Henderson as the underdog, I went with Silva as the underdog by stoppage, as well as JDS as the underdog by stoppage.Just sayin :)

I'm still pretty split on Lesnar vs. Overeem.I go back on it back and fourth but overall I feel if it reaches the 3rd rounds it'll be Lesnar's fight.Hes not having any trouble with getting KOed just turtling up.Its nice to see Lesnar regaining the weight he had before these diverticulitis problems showed up, hes at 278 in one of the last interviews.With what hes got that extra 13-15 pounds of muscle tends to help and the whole not fighting at 70% anymore.Overeem showed a good takedown defense against Werdum but those were Werdums shots and not someone with the wrestling or strength Lesnar has so it'll be interesting.Tough to choose between the two,right now I'm leaning towards the Reem more but its a back and fourth thing.
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