MMA (UFC, Strikeforce, Bellator, Invicta, etc.) Discussion Thread -- Version II

[quote name='ced']Sonnen-Silva III: "I'm pretty sure I can beat this Silva."[/QUOTE]

:lol: Yeah that's pretty funny. Also, it turns out Jones toe was not broken after all. It was just severely dislocated :hot:
 
The Diaz failure just keeps getting more and more delicious. Saw this from MMA News on Facebook.

[quote name='MMA News']UFC NEWS | Nate Diaz Suspended For Tweet With Gay Slur

Nate Diaz has been official suspended for calling Bryan Caraway "the biggest f a g in the world" on Twitter for accepting UFC 159 bonus that was intended for Pat Healy. UFC President Dana White also weighed in, saying former No. 1 Lightweight contender could be cut.

"We are going to fine, suspend or cut him. One or two of those three will happen."
- Dana White

Here is what the organization had to say regarding Nate and the tweet he posted Thursday afternoon.

“We are very disappointed by Nate Diaz’s comments, which are in no way reflective of our organization. Nate is currently suspended pending internal investigation and we will provide further comment once the matter has been decided.”

This is unfortunate for Nate but he has to be smarter about what he puts out on his social media pages. The UFC had no choice but discipline him. [/QUOTE]

Yes, yes. Dana White once called Loretta Hunt a stupid bitch. But that was quite a while ago now. I don't think Dana's really had a big blow up since they signed the Fox deal. Right or wrong, that put MMA and the UFC on a much larger stage, and the same stuff doesn't just get glossed over anymore. Like the article says, the UFC has no choice but to discipline him. And for a fighter who's lost two fights in a row and has a shitty reputation, this wasn't exactly a brilliant career move...unless of course, his plan to end his losing streak is to never be allowed to fight again, lol :lol:
 
Same situation as Mitrione, the UFC had no choice but to act.

It's very enjoyable to watch the Diaz brothers self-destruct. I used to like Nate, but that was a long time ago. Sucks for Healy to lose all that money over weed, but those are the rules.
 
Dana White actually referred to Loretta Hunt as a "stupid cunt." Multiple times, for a minor journalism issue, and has yet to apologize. Professionalism, y'all. Stupid bitch would have been bad. For some reason, "cunt" is supposedly much worse. I think it's all in poor taste, but I do like Dana White more than I dislike him.
 
[quote name='Chase']Dana White actually referred to Loretta Hunt as a "stupid cunt." Multiple times, for a minor journalism issue, and has yet to apologize. Professionalism, y'all. Stupid bitch would have been bad. For some reason, "cunt" is supposedly much worse. I think it's all in poor taste, but I do like Dana White more than I dislike him.[/QUOTE]

Well, he called her a lot of things, lol. Still, that was four years ago now. Not that Dana has been a saint since then, but I do think he's toned it down a notch since the Fox deal. At least he seems to understand that the stakes a bit higher now and there is a lot more money to be lost. Conversely, both Diaz brothers can't seem to figure out that now is not the time to be making people question their worth.
 
The speed at which Jacare put Camozzi to sleep with the arm triangle is awe inspiring. There couldn't have been more than 3 or 4 seconds before the lights go out.
 
LMAO...and it just keeps going...

[quote name='MMA NEWS']UFC NEWS | Nate Diaz has no remorse for controversial Caraway tweet and won't apologize

According to Mike Kogan, manager of Nate Diaz, there's no need to apologize for his controversial tweet because it wasn't meant in the way people are taking it.

"Nate doesn't feel remorse for what he said. I don't feel remorse for what he said. I don't feel remorse for defending what he said or elaborating on what he said. Because it was not a homophobic statement. It was not intended to offend homosexuals. We weren't even talking about homosexuals. One can debate the multiple uses of this term. We can sit here and debate in the English language, there's a lot of words that mean a lot of different things, but whatever. As it is, it wasn’t intended to be used the way people tried to twist the way it was being used. So therefore, what does he have to feel bad about? The fact that [Caraway] shouldn't gloat over other person's issues and try to kiss ass to make a point?

"Did anybody ask Bryan Caraway about his stance on marijuana? No, Nobody asked Bryan Caraway anything. They just gave him the damn money because he was chasing after Dana all over Twitter begging for the g------n bonus. Just take your money and go away."

"If we would have made a homophobic statement, or a statement that was clearly intended to insult homosexuals, that’s one thing. You come out and say, 'Hey, you know what, I’m really sorry it hurt people. We didn’t mean to do that.' But to me, and this is just my philosophy, and I'm sure it's going to be disagreed with by many people. This is how I think, and how Nate thinks. The mere fact that there is a protocol to deal with these crisis situation implies its lack of sincerity."
- Mike Kogan[/QUOTE]

So, now...a Diaz brother is "misunderstood" because people are taking him referring to someone as "the biggest f-a-g in the world" the wrong way...

Maybe this is what he meant. No wonder nobody in the UK is upset!
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Good fucking grief.
 
[quote name='ced']The speed at which Jacare put Camozzi to sleep with the arm triangle is awe inspiring. There couldn't have been more than 3 or 4 seconds before the lights go out.[/QUOTE]

that roll into the omaplata was awesome.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']LMAO...and it just keeps going...



So, now...a Diaz brother is "misunderstood" because people are taking him referring to someone as "the biggest f-a-g in the world" the wrong way...

Maybe this is what he meant. No wonder nobody in the UK is upset!
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Good fucking grief.[/QUOTE]

I dislike those guys but I imagine his meaning behind the term was more inline with douche than gay.

I dont like that whole situation. taking the fight money from healy for metabolytes and giving it to caraway was ridiculous. The inconsistent policy enforcement is too much. TRT isnt a big deal, but another substance taken legally is regardless of it having no impact on the fight unlike trt. then lets "suspend" mitrione for going bananas, speaking completely vulgar about a human being and then fine nate $20k for calling a douchebag a $$$.

Both the diaz guys are idiots imo, its not about them, its about how ridiculous and inconsistent the ufc has been in penalizing social interactions and the flipflop support/penalization of tested substances.
 
[quote name='Chase']http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/5/17/4342040/ufc-cat-zingano-brian-caraway-elbow-head-tuf-17-finale

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To be fair, "f-a-g" is probably the most accurate street term to describe Bryan Caraway.

Not a word I use or would use, but I'd rather side with Nate Diaz than Bryan Caraway. Dude seems like a scumbag. Probably ain't a coinkydink that Ronda Rousey and Cat Zingano's teams both dislike the guy. Shit always floats to the surface.[/QUOTE]

I get that. But he could have just as easily called him a "piece of shit" and avoided the backlash entirely. Par for the course.
 
Decent fights tonight so far. I was especially interetest in the Grant/Maynard fight, I'm glad Grant won. I need to do a little bit of research on him to see if he'll be much of a threat to Benson.

Cerrone was pretty impressive, I really thought he would lose.

I'm more excited for the co-main event because I think Mark Hunt has a punchers chance. I don't think Silva even has that. But I'm usually pretty bad with predictions, so we'll see.
 
It's interesting to see how much the UFC is emphasizing rankings now when showing fighters. I wonder if that's a Fox influence. The way they constantly have to explain the sport to the newer fans, it's like people wouldn't understand why two fighters are fighting without a number next to their name, haha. Makes it feel like college football a bit.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']*yawn* Just let Junior and Cain keep fighting each other over and over again. There are no other contenders in the heavyweight division.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's interesting, are they just going to fight each other again every other fight? When Alistair came over I was hoping he could be a 3rd legit contender, but he made a non-believer out of me and everyone else right away. And Cormier won't fight Cain, right?
 
TJ fucking Grant making me money.

Heavyweight is thin, but there are contenders other than dos Santos. Nelson is on a good run. Werdum is probably near the top. Cormier would be a contender but he and Velasquez refuse to fight each other. Velasquez beats them all but at heavyweight there are no guarantees.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']It's interesting to see how much the UFC is emphasizing rankings now when showing fighters. I wonder if that's a Fox influence. The way they constantly have to explain the sport to the newer fans, it's like people wouldn't understand why two fighters are fighting without a number next to their name, haha. Makes it feel like college football a bit.[/QUOTE]

I'm not even sure they have divulged where how they're even significant let alone how the rankings are obtained.
 
[quote name='Chase']TJ fucking Grant making me money.

Heavyweight is thin, but there are contenders other than dos Santos. Nelson is on a good run. Werdum is probably near the top. Cormier would be a contender but he and Velasquez refuse to fight each other. Velasquez beats them all but at heavyweight there are no guarantees.[/QUOTE]

Yes, those other fighters you named are also heavyweights. None of them are on the level of JDS and Cain though. That was my main point. Nelson has done well, but against gatekeepers...and some who have been gatekeepers for a long time. Cormier I'm not convinced on. And with the talk of him going to 205, it might be a moot point anyway. Overeem would be a contender if he ever got serious. Barnett is back, but he's older, slower, and less skilled than JDS and Cain. It's a two horse race...and could be for awhile.

[quote name='ced']I'm not even sure they have divulged where how they're even significant let alone how the rankings are obtained.[/QUOTE]

I would guess that they just rated them like any other magazine or website does. I don't know if it's anything official or if Dana, Joe Silva, and the Fertitas just got together and said "this is the top 10", but it was funny seeing "#5 TJ Grant". I was like "Damn! When did MMA fighters start wearing numbers?"
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yes, those other fighters you named are also heavyweights. None of them are on the level of JDS and Cain though.[/QUOTE]


At heavyweight, you shouldn't just dismiss anyone that's not Velasquez or dos Santos, especially people like Nelson, Cormier, and Werdum. Anything can happen at heavyweight. Shit, if Prindle grows a red beard, watch out UFC heavyweights. Axekicking dicks for days.



[quote name='ced']I'm not even sure they have divulged where how they're even significant let alone how the rankings are obtained.[/QUOTE]


From select press, which rotates every update, or so I have read. The rankings themselves can be frivolous, but, at its root, there is a reason behind everyone's rankings even though people will disagree, and I do believe they add to the UFC. Lets casuals know who is who.

And, quite frankly, I favor the use of rankings because it reminds me of tennis. Now if only they would rank everyone in every division. That would be optimal, but then again, they would have to create a points system, like in tennis.
 
UFC 160 Fighter Salaries

Cain Velasquez: $400,000 (no win bonus)
def. Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva: $75,000

Junior dos Santos: $240,000 (includes $120,000 win bonus)
def. Mark Hunt: $160,000

Glover Teixeira: $48,000 (includes $24,000 win bonus)
def. James Te Huna: $30,000

TJ Grant: $50,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus)
def. Gray Maynard: $45,000

Donald Cerrone: $82,000 (includes $41,000 win bonus)
def. KJ Noons: $41,000

Mike Pyle: $84,000 (includes $42,000 win bonus)
def. Rick Story: $27,000

Dennis Bermudez: $28,000 (includes $14,000 win bonus)
def. Max Holloway: $14,000

Robert Whittaker: $30,000 (includes $15,000 win bonus)
def. Colton Smith: $15,000

Khabib Nurmagomedov: $28,000 (includes $14,000 win bonus)
def. Abel Trujillo: $8,000

Stephen Thompson: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus)
def. Nah-Shon Burrell: $9,000

George Roop: $26,000 (includes $13,000 win bonus)
def. Brian Bowles: $19,000

Jeremy Stephens: $48,000 (includes $24,000 win bonus)
def. Estevan Payan: $10,000

UFC 160 Disclosed Fighter Payroll: $1,533,000
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How does Mark Hunt get paid double vs Bigfoot when Bigfoot was in a title bout?
 
Does that number include Hunt's Fight of the Night bonus? If so, it makes a lot more sense as to why Hunt got such a big payout.
 
That is just the disclosed public pay numbers. Zuffa tends to pay fighters behind the scenes. Regardless, it's unsurprising. It's Mark Hunt. If anything is suprising, it's that on paper Noons got paid at least 40K. Dude couldn't even win a decision from Ryan freakin' Couture and has only one win out of his last six fights.

https://twitter.com/UFCTonight/status/339526054270078977

Supposedly, Zingano is hurt and won't partake in this upcoming TUF season with Ronda Rousey. Instead, Tate will take her place. Surprise surprise. My opinion: Zuffa pulling some WWE shit. This debut on FS1 is important and they know it.
 
I'm not really a conspiracy kind of guy, but that sounds a little bit too convenient. But oh well, more people would probably want to see Rousey/Tate and it will probably get better ratings. As long as Cat got a decent payday to step aside (rather than a lead pipe to the knee) then it's all fine with me.
 
Jeez. Did Caraway go Tonya Harding on Zingano or what?

https://twitter.com/zinganobjj/status/339569428536643584

Sounds like Zuffa hooked up the Zinganos. Just guessing here, but maybe she needed this surgery and Zuffa offered to pay for everything. Win-win situation. Zingano comes back healthier than she would have been against Rousey and Zuffa gets a much more marketable "grudge match" with Tate and Rousey to debut on FS1. Just a guess, tho.
 
http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publish/UFC_2/article_17057.shtml#.UaZ4IUCyCuk

Is- Is the great Anderson Silva already trying to find a way to escape his fight with Chris Weidman? I remember reading that broken ribs take something like six weeks to heal. However, this would most likely hinder his training, and he's heading into a fight with a capable-tho-untested Chris Weidman.

Earlier this month, Silva missed a presser and was subsequently fined $50,000. Mind games from Silva? Maybe nerves? Regardless, I can't bet Weidman while he's only in the +200s. Silva is one of the best fighters ever in the history of life and Weidman is still unproven against good talent.
 
tylerh1701 said:
Sounds like Chael is going to step in and fight Shogun to replace the injured Little Nog.
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Winnable fight for Sonnen because Rua has shown a lot of signs of wear that comes with being an old dog and having a career full of brutal fights. While I favor competent strikers against grapplers in a five round fight, and Sonnen has shown to fold against powerful strikers, Sonnen should win this fight for one big reason: It'll be at UFC middleweight at not Pride middleweight. Sonnen knows that cut. Rua will have to discover how he fights at 185 at the tail end of his career, and he already gasses bad. Rua is no Silva or Jones. Sonnen should grind this out and I just may play a Sonnen by SUB prop because it feels that he could get that.

Oh, and last night's card was pretty solid, even for a Fuel TV card.

 
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Pettis hurt his knee and is out of the Aldo fight, being replaced by the Korean Zombie.

Pettis dropping to 145 and subsequently cause Aldo to want to move up and get a title shot at 155 has thrown quite a loop in both weight classes.  I'm not sure what this means now, I think Aldo beats KZ pretty easily, but will he still be interested to move to 155?

Depending on how long Pettis is out, he'll probably lose his #1 contendership for either belt and have to re-earn it.  I don't think he'd stay down at 145 to fight a non-title fight so when he returns my guess would be he'd return at 155.  But if Aldo does move to 155, maybe he stays at 145 since Aldo leaving would leave that weight class wide open.

I must say it was my most anticipated fight of the summer (I'm not a Pettis fan, I'm a Benson fan and Pettis scares the hell out of me) not only because it would have been a great fight, but the results had huge consequences for both weight classes.  So I'm definitely disappointed that Aldo/Pettis isn't gonna happen...

 
Really excited to see KZ finally get a title shot, but I'm disappointed it had to come at the expense of another guy that also deserves a title shot.
 
I'm not a fan of Pettis, and I think he's being a punk trying to take TJ Grant's spot at UFC 164.

I understand where he's coming from, but it's still kind of a dick move to try and take someone else's fight when that person isn't hurt.  What is ironic (and extremely humorous to non-Pettis fans like me) is that this is the fight he WOULD HAVE BEEN IN if he didn't get greedy in the first place and try to jump down to 145.

 
Hell, I'll agree with that. Pettis just wants another shot at Bendo in front of his homecrowd but he didn't earn that shot like Grant did. TJ Grant is the Cinderella story and he deserves his shot against Bendo. Now will he lose? Does Pettis have a better chance to win? Probably yes to both but that's beside the fact that Grant put in his work while Pettis was screwing around getting ready to kick Aldo's ass and move back up.

 
New KO of the Year Contender

Seth Petruzelli getting straight up starched by King Mo
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'Twas a nice knockout shot by Mo—tho against mediocre opposition. You can tell a lot about a fighter in their return fight after a dramatic loss. While Petruzelli is the MMA equivalent of wrasslin enhancement talent, it's good to see Mo go back to his wrestling. His ground-and-pound is quite powerful. He said "it won't happen again" in regards to getting caught in the standup. We shall see if he ever goes back to his Poor Man's Mayweather when he faces competent opposition. 

Mo has no real competition in Bellator.

- Zayats: Finished by nameless fighters; no quality wins
- Vegh: Couldn't finish a glassjaw M'Pumbu in five rounds
- M'Pumbu: Small for 205; Mo would finish him in two rounds
- Rampage: Obviously cares more about wrasslin than fighting; Mo outwrestles him in a decision win
- Noe: Only recently started training seriously and he's 32; no quality wins

I think Mo's only real competition in Bellator is Newton. If Mo uses his wrestling, he has the potential to finish Newton, even though Newton has deceptively slick grappling. If he reverts to Poor Man's Mayweather, he gives Newton a chance to hurt him again. 

In the UFC, I think Mo would beat people like Diabate, Kingsbury, Te Huna, maybe Sonnen, maybe Wand, and maybe Maldonado if he gets him to the ground, but his potential would hit the ceiling real quick. Teixeira finishes Mo. No doubt in my mind. Gus would probably keep him at range and pick him apart for a UD. Thiago Silva would give him a competitive fight, and Silva has a good chance of finishing Mo in the first round. If Bader can stop the takedowns, he could pull off the upset and drop Mo. You can see where this is going. Mo's chin is very questionable. He doesn't roll with the punches, and he apparently can't absorb them. So, if Mo goes back to his terrible imitation of Floyd Mayweather, anyone who can stop his takedowns and hit him with good power will probably give him a competitive fight.

Mo made a very wise decision in signing with Bellator. Relatively easy MMA route and the ability to partake in TNA. Best of both worlds for him.

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Courtesy of Damon Martin and official MMAWeekly.com content partner Bleacher Report.

Win, lose or draw,Anderson Silva will go home from his next fight at UFC 162 a rather happy man, at least financially.

On Friday, Bleacher Report received the reported salary information for the main event and co-main event fighters for the upcoming UFC 162 card from the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

According to the report, UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva will make $600,000 for his show money, and if he wins, he will pocket an additional $200,000.

Silva just recently renegotiated a new 10-fight deal with the UFC that is obviously paying him substantially higher than his last contract.

When Silva fought Chael Sonnen in the main event of UFC 148 in July 2012, the Brazilian took home $200,000 with no win bonus for his performance. Silva did fight one more time in 2012 at UFC 153, but the card was in Brazil and no salary information was released for that show.

Now with his new fight deal in place, Silva stands to make almost a million dollars should he beat Weidman on Saturday, and he will likely take home an even larger paycheck based on pay-per-view bonuses he receives that are not disclosed publicly.

As for Silva’s opponent, Weidman will pocket $24,000 for his show money at UFC 162 with a chance to win an additional $24,000 if he wins.

In the co-main event of the evening, former UFC lightweight champion Frankie Edgar will take home $120,000 for his show money, and if he wins, he will get an additional $120,000.

His opponent, Charles Oliveira, will get paid $21,000 for his show money and $21,000 if he pulls the upset and beats Edgar on Saturday night.

Now, the payouts reported by the commission are only what is listed as contractual salaries on the bout agreements signed by the fighters and the promotion. Any additional bonuses paid out, such as discretionary locker-room bonuses paid by the UFC or the aforementioned pay-per-view bonuses, are not disclosed.

The full list of the UFC 162 salaries will be released by the Nevada State Athletic Commission next week, most likely on Monday following the event.
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I'm pretty sure discrepancies of payments in boxing are still far far worse.  If a fighter can win consistently and be entertaining while he does it, then he's going to get paid.  Anderson Silva has done this (I never miss a Silva fight, myself and my 2 friends will each be plunking down $20 to watch the show tonight) and deserves to get paid.

Also, I think Silva will take this fight easily.  People always like to talk up Silva's opponents as if "this guy's the one" that will take out Silva.  It'll happen at some point, Anderson is no spring chicken anymore, but I don't think it will happen tonight.

 
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I don't see any problem with the differences in pay. It happens in all sports unless you're competing in a tournament with a monetary prize. Superstars make more than the lesser knowns. That's nothing new. Do the lesser knowns sometimes outperform the superstars? Yes, they do. And then they become the superstars and their pay level goes up. If Oliveira or Weidman are upset that their opponent is making much more money, the first thing they can do to remedy that is win.

 
Until they swallow a bit of that pride and start bringing in some legitimate people who can wrestle and strike, it's just same old, same old. Roger threw 16 strikes in that fight. 16! That's ridiculous. Why even bother doing anything other than a BJJ tournament, if you're only going to throw 16 strikes?

Nice performances from Swanson, Munoz, and Frankie tonight. Really happy to see Frankie get a win again. He really needed that one. Not sure where he goes from here, but perhaps a title eliminator with Cub would work? I'm not even sure if I like Frankie taking another title shot that soon, as I feel like he's gotta build his confidence back up and get back to doing what made him capable of beating guys like BJ Penn and Gray Maynard to begin with...but with 145 being somewhat thin, Swanson might be the only other guy that makes sense.

 
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