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American Girl Slammed for Pro-Abortion Ties

NEW YORK — Popular dollmaker American Girl (search) used to be a favorite among conservatives for its dolls' wholesomeness and all-American appeal.

But now, conservative activists are furious that American Girl is raising money for Girls Inc. (search), an organization that supports abortion rights.

"[Girls Inc. is] very clear on their Web site that they believe a woman has the right to choose abortion, and they support the Supreme Court's decision from 1973.

"It's not appropriate for American Girl, which specifically targets and markets to young girls, to be affiliated with any organization which supports the killing of unborn children," said Ann Scheidler, executive director of the Pro-Life Action League (search).

Conservative groups like the Mississippi-based American Family Association (search) say they'll give American Girl two weeks to sever ties with Girls Inc. — or else they'll call for a boycott of American Girl products and may even picket outside of its New York and Chicago stores.

But Girls Inc., a non-profit organization that promotes girl empowerment and self-esteem, says its programs for girls are completely separate from its lobbying efforts.

"This is all centered around our advocacy statements. Our advocacy statements say that in fact as an organization we support the women's choice, and that is centered around as we see it the rights of women to equal access to education, equal access to financial security. So that is our position as an organization, but it's our advocacy position that we do work in Washington on," said Joyce Roche, president and CEO of Girls Inc.

American Girl, a subsidiary of Mattel (search), said in a statement: "We are profoundly disappointed that certain groups have chosen to misconstrue American Girl's purely altruistic efforts and turn them into a broader political statement on issues that we, as a corporation, have no position."
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173069,00.html

This is getting a little absurd, picketing a doll company?

Also, I love the title, using the term "pro abortion" obviously shows fox's beliefs (or at least the beliefs of whoever wrote the headline), and it's not even an accurate term for the overwhelming majority of pro choice arguments.
 
Pro-abortion kinda implies that you support abortion in all circumstances, hell, that you'd prefer abortion to anyone giving birth. Pro-choice is definitely a better term to use.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Instead of pro-abortion I favor pro-death.

Why not call it what it is, the killing of the unborn.[/QUOTE]

It would just be another aspect of discriminatory big government. The state creating a law forbidding women, but not men, from having control over their body.

Though, my whole point was that for mainstream news that's supposed to attempt a relatively unbiased viewpoint (and fox does claim this), the term pro abortion (or anti choice) is not acceptable. It clearly indicates the writers viewpoint in that news article.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Why not call it what it is, the killing of the unborn.[/QUOTE]

Born - adjective - Brought into life by birth.

funny how you can kill what was not actually brought into life. ;)
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Instead of pro-abortion I favor pro-death.

Why not call it what it is, the killing of the unborn.[/QUOTE]

So what should we call the people who support the Iraq war - pro-war?
 
[quote name='camoor']So what should we call the people who support the Iraq war - pro-war?[/QUOTE]
Well if you want to go to an extreme, then you would call them "pro-death"
 
The women had a choice to control their bodies. They chose to not to use birth control, they chose to fuck, they chose to take risks to their health, they chose the risk to get pregnant.

They had plenty of choices and made all the wrong ones.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The women had a choice to control their bodies. They chose to not to use birth control, they chose to fuck, they chose to take risks to their health, they chose the risk to get pregnant.

They had plenty of choices and made all the wrong ones.[/QUOTE]

yea! It's women's fault that men got them pregnant!

[quote name='camoor']So what should we call the people who support the Iraq war - pro-war?[/QUOTE]

Pro-shitstorm clusterf***?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Instead of pro-abortion I favor pro-death.

Why not call it what it is, the killing of the unborn.[/QUOTE]


thats some nice jargin you got there, much like the pubelicans way of turning the estate tax into the "death tax" I have seen middle school age kids brainwashed by that crap. You guys really got a way of sinkin catchy phrases into your rhetoric
 
Hey, who spread their legs? Who let someone use them as a blow up doll without protection? Who put out based on a few drinks, a joint and an OMG IS HE HAWT going through their mind? Do you think men just walk up to women fuck the shit out of them without an ayokay and WHAM they're pregnant? Think man.

The estate tax is the death tax. How else do you define a tax that isn't payable unless, you know, you DIE?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The women had a choice to control their bodies. They chose to not to use birth control, they chose to fuck, they chose to take risks to their health, they chose the risk to get pregnant.

They had plenty of choices and made all the wrong ones.[/QUOTE]

Yes, these women sucumbed to their sexual drives, and as such should be punished. They should be punished by bringing a child into this world. If they can't support the child and the father is a deadbeat, well that's just too bad because it's their fault for being the ones that "spread their legs" while using a faulty condom or eschewing birth control as their religion/government taught them.
 
I hate boycotts- I wouldn't boycot something even if it went strongly opposite of my beliefs
If there was a company that had Nazi ties I would do something productiive to stop them- not inconvienience myself to boycott them and make them lose like five dollars.

Boycott the dolls because they are fucking stupid and Ra-Ra-American not because they have pro-CHOICE ties.
 
What the hell does this have to do with Fox News? The article seemed fair and unbiased to me, so I don't see what your problem is with it, Alonzo.

And anyone making the "women can do what they want with their own bodies!" argument is just setting up a strawman. Nobody's going to disagree with that, as you well know. It's just that I (and many others) have a different idea about what is their body and what isn't.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']What the hell does this have to do with Fox News? The article seemed fair and unbiased to me, so I don't see what your problem is with it, Alonzo.
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The headline says "pro abortion". That's the issue. It's a loaded term clearly indicating the side you agree with, much like anti choice would be. It's not what should be expected of a mainstream news site that claims to be unbiased.
 
I think the main issue that needs to be focused on isn't abortion but educating people about the consequences of what they do. As the law is now, abortion IMO should be an absolute last resort after abstinance, condoms, the pill, Norplant, RU-486 and everything else has been exhausted. There are so many ways to keep from getting to the point where abortion has to be considered.

There are some women who have abortions for what I would consider valid reasons. Women who are raped or have their life in danger should have all options open to them IMO. The right to abortion, like any other right, can be abused even if it is completely legal. Pro-choice is a bit misleading to use IMO when the choice is abortion. The other choice, having the child, isn't in dispute. Pro-life is just as misleading. Both sides use terminology to soften their postions instead of stating what they really are, pro-abortion rights and anti-abortion rights.

I think the best way to keep this from being a personal issue is to be with someone who shares the same feelings as you do. I think if you are serious about someone abortion should be a topic discussed so that there won't be any issues later.
 
One thing I never thought was fair, charging the fathers of accidental pregnancies child support. If the couple took precautions, but something still happened, and the father did not want to have a child, and wanted an abortion or it to be given up for adoption, he should not have to pay in my mind.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']One thing I never thought was fair, charging the fathers of accidental pregnancies child support. If the couple took precautions, but something still happened, and the father did not want to have a child, and wanted an abortion or it to be given up for adoption, he should not have to pay in my mind.[/QUOTE]


I think if the person with custody is earning decent money then child support should reflect that. Child support is more like child and MOTHER/FATHER support as it is now.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Hey, who spread their legs? Who let someone use them as a blow up doll without protection? Who put out based on a few drinks, a joint and an OMG IS HE HAWT going through their mind? Do you think men just walk up to women fuck the shit out of them without an ayokay and WHAM they're pregnant? Think man.[/QUOTE]

You must have to beat the ladies off with a stick, you ol' smoothie!

he estate tax is the death tax. How else do you define a tax that isn't payable unless, you know, you DIE?
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It's an Estate tax because your corpse isn't taxed, your estate is. Hence, estate tax. THINK MAN!
 
There should be easier access to birth-control pills, and some forms should be OTC, like it is in Canada.

Honestly, though, any girl over the age of 15 should probably be on the pill as a precaution.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']One thing I never thought was fair, charging the fathers of accidental pregnancies child support. If the couple took precautions, but something still happened, and the father did not want to have a child, and wanted an abortion or it to be given up for adoption, he should not have to pay in my mind.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree. Once you give women their right to choose, you must also free the men from responsibility if they don't want to be a father.
 
[quote name='evanft']There should be easier access to birth-control pills, and some forms should be OTC, like it is in Canada.

Honestly, though, any girl over the age of 15 should probably be on the pill as a precaution.[/QUOTE]

In this day and age it probably wouldn't be a bad idea. My co-worker has two daughters around that age and she was talking about talking to them about birth control and protection. She doesn't want them to be active (I don't think any parent would want that), but if they are she wants them to at least be knowledgable about what is available to them.
 
[quote name='Cheese']You must have to beat the ladies off with a stick, you ol' smoothie!
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Actually, PAD is pro-rape. He fully supports the rights of rapists to impregnate a woman whenever they choose because really, it's the woman's fault for opening up her legs.
 
Ouch, this really hurt me to see. I used to work for American Girl until they shut down their call center here in town because of growing internet business, and it was the greatest job I've ever had in my life.

Choke and die, conservatives.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']The women had a choice to control their bodies. They chose to not to use birth control, they chose to fuck, they chose to take risks to their health, they chose the risk to get pregnant.

They had plenty of choices and made all the wrong ones.[/QUOTE]

So what about rape?
 
What if a birth control pill fails? What if some sick fucker uses a pin to poke holes in all of the condoms at the store? What about incest? Statutory rape?
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']What if a birth control pill fails? What if some sick fucker uses a pin to poke holes in all of the condoms at the store? What about incest? Statutory rape?[/QUOTE]

Well according to PAD you moron you should NEVER have sex and it's HER fault she got raped. PAD: She looked too enticing to me after a couple of drinks so I took my liberties "Like OMG she's teh hawt!".
Oh yeah and if you wore a condom, tough shit. You get an abortion you're a baby murdering bastard.
Honestly you people want the truth about Pro-Life. How often do you see any Atheist that's Pro-Life? Nuff said. It's a religious issue and religion should encroach NOWHERE in someone's personal life unless it's their choice. If Bush wants to push his CHRISTIAN views of Abortion on you you say it and mean it: "I believe in "Separation Of Church and State!".
The beautiful thing about the issue of Abortion is twofold. First, you please the Religious Right. Second, since all those poor people can't afford abortions and for some of them protection failed well kids keep them distracted. When you have kids you don't have as much time to spend listening to what's happening in politics so the Republicans in Congress and the White House can get away with more.
I mean think about it. People like Edmund Burr or Burke, can't remember which, believed that the masses shouldn't rule the country.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']The beautiful thing about the issue of Abortion is twofold. First, you please the Religious Right. Second, since all those poor people can't afford abortions and for some of them protection failed well kids keep them distracted. When you have kids you don't have as much time to spend listening to what's happening in politics so the Republicans in Congress and the White House can get away with more.
I mean think about it. People like Edmund Burr or Burke, can't remember which, believed that the masses shouldn't rule the country.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget that without abortion you get plenty of poor people with nowhere to go but to enter the military. That's another reason why most fascist ideologies oppose it (if we can speak practacally and, as elprincpe would say, honestly)
 
This isn't a pro-life/pro-choice thread, it's either a objective/subjective journalism thread or one refering to the particular story


Besides all arguement should stop because we know being pro-life is completley irrational
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Ouch, this really hurt me to see. I used to work for American Girl until they shut down their call center here in town because of growing internet business, and it was the greatest job I've ever had in my life.

Choke and die, conservatives.[/QUOTE]

So business expanded, and you were out of a job? Score one for Reaganomics!

To get back to the topic, what most people have ignored, save for alonzo's constant withered pleas, is that a news source, which are ideally bipartisan and unbiased, have decided to frame the issue of abortion using the rhetoric created by one side. They used the term "pro abortion," knowing full well that it is a linguistic tool to indicate that those who favor *abortion rights* must likewise favor *abortion as an act.* This is what pro-life (a biased term in its own right) advocates want you to believe. By allowing a news organization to use the term unchallenged, it lends credence, albeit subtly, to the arguments of those who want abortion outlawed.

Outside of a small percentage of assholes, you are not likely to find someone who is truly "pro-abortion." That is, aside from the morbidly morbid, nobody, pro-life or pro-choice, celebrates the occurrance of an abortion. It does not take an intellectual journey of Darwinian proportions to recognize that both sides can agree on this: the less abortions, the better. That such a dichotomous and uncompromising relationship can exist between the two groups is amazing.
 
Well if they chose not to have the government enforce their view of Christianity or their Religion on a choice that will affect you for a long time I could care less mykevermin.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Outside of a small percentage of assholes, you are not likely to find someone who is truly "pro-abortion." That is, aside from the morbidly morbid, nobody, pro-life or pro-choice, celebrates the occurrance of an abortion. It does not take an intellectual journey of Darwinian proportions to recognize that both sides can agree on this: the less abortions, the better. That such a dichotomous and uncompromising relationship can exist between the two groups is amazing.[/QUOTE]That's just it - it's not an intellectual or philisophical debate about abortion, this is truly about real Americans fighting back the scourge of theocracy that threatens what is left of our democratic republic. What the corporations can't buy, the christian church wants, and "we the people" are the ones who will be screwed if this happens.

One side has made this a key battle in their religious war, and has forced pro-choice advocates to dig in equally as hard. Religious wars are never rational.

Porthos: You know, it strikes me that we would be better employed ringing Milady's pretty neck than shooting these poor devils of protestants. I mean, what are we killing them for? Because they sing psalms in French and we sing them in Latin?
Aramis: Porthos, have you no education? What do you think religious wars are all about?

- The Four Muskateers, 1974
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