[quote name='capitalist_mao']As much as the Camaro was "inspired" by the mustang, the Camaro looks like a Charger.
Here's a 1966 Charger
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/dodge-charger/images/dodge-charger-1966a.jpg
here's a 1968 Camaro
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-camaro/images/chevrolet-camaro-1968a.jpg
Eep.
Here's another pair 67 Camaro, and I'm not sure about the Charger. Looks 66-68
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/methomps/www/camaro.jpg
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/methomps/www/charger.jpg
I'd have to say they look pretty damn similar.
However, the Camaro's smaller profile and lack of a fastback makes it look a lot nicer to me.
I read up on the models. I didn't find much on "baldwin", but it seems that the 454 went defunct in 1970.
Well, duh. That's why you need to keep an eye out. From what I've read, they were not advertised or shown anywhere. YOu needed to have an inside man to even know about them...let alone ordering one. Which makes them all the sweeter.
The 402 was dropped between 72 and 73. Power from the 350 went from 300 to 245 between 72 and 73. Power dropped to below 200 in 75 and stayed that way till 85.
1970 had the most powerful engines of the 3rd Generation as power dropped to 330 and below for 1971 and just kept dropping. Meanwhile, a 1969 Camaro sported an assortment of 12 different engines topping out at around 430hp...55 more than the most powerful 1970 engine.
Now, I won't be too disparaging with the engines form 1970-71. 330 hp is still a lot. But, considering that from 72 on, we really saw some weak piddling Camaros. They just didn't look nearly as good as the older versions.
I'd have to agree. Large thug-mobile with the most ample assortment of 19" and larger chrome rims does seem like a great image.[/QUOTE]
Take away the coke bottle fenders, lack of fastback, much shorter wheelbase and you might have a point. But, that's taking away a lot. Also, you could say if it looks like a Charger, it looks like a Fairlane GT. Like I said, most muscle/ponycars of the late 60s looked similar.
Baldwin Chevrolet (along with Yenko, Dana, Berger, Fred Gibb and Nickey) put out dealer modified muscle that was warranted and all parts ordered through GM Performance. Baldwin's most famous 2G Camaros were the 70 1/2 and 73. Both were PDQ. I know the 70 1/2 sported a 454 4bbl, but can't say about the 73.
As for the 70s, you'd be hard pressed to find any car that put out much more than 200hp. Two reasons: emissions, and the switch from gross to net hp. Hell, the 500 that Caddie had only made 235 net, and those damn things weighed a ton.
As for the 69 Camaro, 430hp was only what it was
rated at. Try more like 625hp as a more accurate number for the ZL1 motor. Possibly even 675 for the Vette....for the two that were produced.
And hey, you're talking to a musclecar nut here.
66 Fairlane, 71 Cuda, 98 Trans Am, Grand National, 69 GTO, 69 T/A, 82 Camaro, 70 1/2 Baldwin Motion Camaro, 67 GTX, Corvette C5R, 69 Baldwin Motion Camaro...all done by me. The metals: 95 T/A, 68 Bullitt, 66 Chevelle, 69 Chevelle & 69 Z/28.
I got at least three 2002 Z/28 SS Anniversary editions that are in various state of assembly (all in custom colors), but I haven't done anything with them in forever. My big project is trying to graft a 77 GM front end to a 87 El Camino to make my 76 Elky. I really wish I still had pictures of it.
. The sad part is he traded it for a Skyline Then proceeded to get rear ended by a semi with no insurance. My friend hung it up on the car scence after that and has been seen driving a Ford F150 ever since
