Muslims condemn london attacks

If its captured in a photo its reality. Child porn is a reality, that doesn't mean I wish to see picture of it. Rape is reality, that doesn't mean I want to watch it. A young child mangled by a bomb is reality, but I sure as all hell don't want to see it. Normally, I wouldn't give a fuck. I hate most people. But she's just 4-6. She's an innocent and couldn't possible deserve anything close to that.

[quote name='mykevermin']Don't edit it. fuck it if you can't take it, since it's fucking reality.

On the other hand, I do recognize and appreciate that you aren't lauding the photo as evidence of another dead "islamofacist."[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't edit it. fuck it if you can't take it, since it's fucking reality.

On the other hand, I do recognize and appreciate that you aren't lauding the photo as evidence of another dead "islamofacist."[/QUOTE]

The ones who are complaining about the pic aren't the ones condemning all muslims. You'd have a point if we supported the causes of such things, but that's not the case (at least for me). It's not as if I'm witnessing the end result of my policies. I've seen way too many of those pics (many worse), and don't need to see anymore unless they have some informational value to me.

Though, another genius comment from PAD.

I like this thread, figure this would get a couple responses and that's it, but when I came home I saw it had erupted.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']ezb, so I don't have to see that again, can you please remove it or make it a link with a warning?

Though the argument the the majority of muslims silently support terrorists isn't based in fact. For one, if someone says how much they hate blacks you're not gonna report them to the cops, since you don't exactly expect that guy to round one up and start lynching him/her. And anyone who lives in areas with large amounts of muslims know they aren't the terrorist supporters that people make them out to be. I think some people here could benefit from spending a few months around muslims. Though, you can also spend 2 minutes on google and find tons of articles about muslims denouncing practically any pure terrorist attack you can remember (I've posted lists in multiple arguments, and really don't want to do it again considering the people arguing this point have long been known as bigots so it would be pointless).[/QUOTE]

Oh, alright, I'll call all the Muslim leaders tomorrow and thank them for their firm opposition to, and denouncing of, these terrorists. These "clerics" hold all the power in the world and show their approval with their silence.
 
[quote name='Rich']Oh, alright, I'll call all the Muslim leaders tomorrow and thank them for their firm opposition to, and denouncing of, these terrorists. These "clerics" hold all the power in the world and show their approval with their silence.[/QUOTE]

Oh yea... they should just pick up the phone and tell the terrorists to cut it out because they aren't playing nice. :roll:

What the fuck do you expect them to do? Sharing a religion doesn't make them responsible for the acts of others in that religion. Even if they did say 'hey, stop' what the hell makes you think the terrorists would listen?

They are TERRORISTS! They hurt people because they want to. I really doubt they're going to say "oh gee, sorry about the mix-up" if you tell them you don't want to be bombed.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Face it. This is what PAD wants to see:



EDIT: Picture removed since I made my point. You can see it here: http://mindprod.com/images/manandgirl.jpg

And if you REALLY want to see what this Iraq war looks like from the inside, then go here: http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html#IRAQWARPIX

This is what the Republicans have created.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the little girl in that picture was a terrorist or a threat to "Freedom".
People just don't want to acknowledge that these things are happening.
fucking Bush, if he was killed that would solve a lot of problems.
 
[quote name='Rich']Oh, alright, I'll call all the Muslim leaders tomorrow and thank them for their firm opposition to, and denouncing of, these terrorists. These "clerics" hold all the power in the world and show their approval with their silence.[/QUOTE]

The muslim leaders who don't agree are simply denounced by the extremists. And, as for silence, it's pretty damn easy to find them speaking out.
 
[quote name='whoknows']People just don't want to acknowledge that these things are happening.
fucking Bush, if he was killed that would solve a lot of problems.[/QUOTE]

This is a map of Islamic terrorist activities over the last decade.

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I suppose the War in Iraq caused all of this.
 
[quote name='kittie']This is a map of Islamic terrorist activities over the last decade.

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I suppose the War in Iraq caused all of this.[/QUOTE]

And all of those are endangering Americas "freedom" and "democracy" and all that other bull, so bush has started a "crusade" against the Muslims.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Face it. This is what PAD wants to see:



EDIT: Picture removed since I made my point. You can see it here: http://mindprod.com/images/manandgirl.jpg

And if you REALLY want to see what this Iraq war looks like from the inside, then go here: http://mindprod.com/politics/iraqwarpix.html#IRAQWARPIX

This is what the Republicans have created.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I'm sure the Republicans also created the death of 5000 people in New York...

This is war. It's unfortunate that some innocent people will have to suffer, but we can't stop war because of it. It doesn't seem to be stopping our Moslim enemies.

If it takes killing every Iraqi, Afghani and Moslim in the world to make us safer... then that's what has to be done. That's how this war should be going. The only way to cause change to these barbarians is to eliminating vast tracts of the enemy, cutting bloody swathes through their ranks, inflicting unbearable losses, destroying completely their capacity to resist, and leaving the remainder filled with the fear of God.

However, if you think that a terrorist's life is just as valuable as our American lives... then, that's your prerogative.
 
[quote name='whoknows']And all of those are endangering Americas "freedom" and "democracy" and all that other bull, so bush has started a "crusade" against the Muslims.[/QUOTE]

They're murdering innocent people all around the world.

What do you suppose the solution is?
 
[quote name='kittie']They're murdering innocent people all around the world.

What do you suppose the solution is?[/QUOTE]

And the U.S. is saving innocent people. Right??
 
[quote name='kittie']Yes, I'm sure the Republicans also created the death of 5000 people in New York...

This is war. It's unfortunate that some innocent people will have to suffer, but we can't stop war because of it. It doesn't seem to be stopping our Moslim enemies.

If it takes killing every Iraqi, Afghani and Moslim in the world to make us safer... then that's what has to be done. That's how this war should be going. The only way to cause change to these barbarians is to eliminating vast tracts of the enemy, cutting bloody swathes through their ranks, inflicting unbearable losses, destroying completely their capacity to resist, and leaving the remainder filled with the fear of God.

However, if you think that a terrorist's life is just as valuable as our American lives... then, that's your prerogative.[/QUOTE]

One of the best ways to defeat an enemy is to hinder their ability to gain recruits and to decrease their will to fight (ie. morale). If their argument essentially becomes true (which, if you idea was carried out then it would be), then they clearly will gain more recruits, and it won't just be the extremists we have to worry about.

Take a lesson from vietnam, war is not simply about the body count.

Besides, one innocent in new york is the same as one innocent in kabul.
 
[quote name='kittie']Yes, I'm sure the Republicans also created the death of 5000 people in New York...

This is war. It's unfortunate that some innocent people will have to suffer, but we can't stop war because of it. It doesn't seem to be stopping our Moslim enemies.

If it takes killing every Iraqi, Afghani and Moslim in the world to make us safer... then that's what has to be done. That's how this war should be going. The only way to cause change to these barbarians is to eliminating vast tracts of the enemy, cutting bloody swathes through their ranks, inflicting unbearable losses, destroying completely their capacity to resist, and leaving the remainder filled with the fear of God.[/QUOTE]

1. Less than 3,000 people in New York, not 5,000. Facts are your friend; exaggeration is not.

2. "Cutting bloody swaths" through the enemy? Who is the enemy? All Muslims? Or just the terrorists? We can't exactly attack a single country and "cut bloody swaths" through them to get to the terrorists. We took out the major terrorist-sheltering country already. And killing every Iraqi, Afghan (not Afghani FYI) and Muslim is not only impossible and completely immoral, wrong and evil, but would play right into al Qaeda's hand of starting a "holy war" of the Muslim world against the West.
 
[quote name='kittie']Yes, I'm sure the Republicans also created the death of 5000 people in New York...

This is war. It's unfortunate that some innocent people will have to suffer, but we can't stop war because of it. It doesn't seem to be stopping our Moslim enemies.

If it takes killing every Iraqi, Afghani and Moslim in the world to make us safer... then that's what has to be done. That's how this war should be going. The only way to cause change to these barbarians is to eliminating vast tracts of the enemy, cutting bloody swathes through their ranks, inflicting unbearable losses, destroying completely their capacity to resist, and leaving the remainder filled with the fear of God.

However, if you think that a terrorist's life is just as valuable as our American lives... then, that's your prerogative.[/QUOTE]

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

I got misty when I read that.

Anyway, this is the summation of this thread:​

Conservatives - We need to kill those who try to kill us!

Wacko liberals - We need to hug those who try to kill us, and if they do kill us it's okay cause it's all our fault.

Threads like these make want to see a country completely run by wacko liberals and see them get nuked to hell when they try to implement their ridiculous ideals against terrorism.
 
but would play right into al Qaeda's hand of starting a "holy war" of the Muslim world against the West.
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NEWS FLASH

The muslim world has ALREADY started a holy war against the west, and they've been fighting it for years now.

NEWS FLASH
 
[quote name='Scrubking']NEWS FLASH

The muslim world has ALREADY started a holy war against the west, and they've been fighting it for years now.

NEWS FLASH[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, fighting fire with fire I see.

So now any country without an American-style democracy (heavily watered with a dose of conservative christianity) can expect our invasion forces?
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Conservatives - We need to kill those who try to kill us!

Wacko liberals - We need to hug those who try to kill us, and if they do kill us it's okay cause it's all our fault.[/QUOTE]

Here's what Scrubking MEANT to say:

[quote name='Scrubking']Conservatives - We need to kill![/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The ones who are complaining about the pic aren't the ones condemning all muslims. You'd have a point if we supported the causes of such things, but that's not the case (at least for me). It's not as if I'm witnessing the end result of my policies. I've seen way too many of those pics (many worse), and don't need to see anymore unless they have some informational value to me.[/QUOTE]

Should have left the pic up.

I know it doesn't matter to you alonzo, but it might wake up some of the die-hard Bush idiots on this board (if they truly had a real Christian bone in their body)

Our media is way to sensitive as a result of sqeamish censorship-friendly soccer-moms (and alonzos) on both sides. If real war was shown (instead of panoramic night-vision scenes of Baghdad getting bombed) maybe more people would stop buying the neocon/fanatical christian BS rhetoric.
 
[quote name='camoor']Should have left the pic up.

I know it doesn't matter to you alonzo, but it might wake up some of the die-hard Bush idiots on this board (if they truly had a real Christian bone in their body)

Our media is way to sensitive as a result of sqeamish censorship-friendly soccer-moms (and alonzos) on both sides. If real war was shown (instead of panoramic night-vision scenes of Baghdad getting bombed) maybe more people would stop buying the neocon/fanatical christian BS rhetoric.[/QUOTE]

I would've kept it up but since it's not my website, I didn't know if CheapyD would yank it or not.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Here's what Scrubking MEANT to say:[/QUOTE]

Is it even worth it to respond to something Scrub says? He's so PROUD of his ability to overgeneralize an entire population of people, that it's sickening.

And yet, it seems that the attitudes of extremists in the muslim world who, and I will agree with PAD here, want *all* of us dead, have made us blind to the fact that it is *only* the extremists who feel this way. Instead, we now have our own set of extremists whose interest it is to eradicate the entirety of ethnic muslims. So now we have a quickly building tautological (mutually reinforcing and redundant) desire to eliminate each other, and yet nobody in that frame of mind can "see the forest for the trees," to use that tired saying.

"Kill them all!"
"Why?"
"They want all of us dead!"

*sigh*

Scrubking's a bag of hammers, whose sheer idiocy, blind hatred, and unwillingness to use his education to criticize anything about himself or his country (and thus his "let's kill them all!!!" demeanor is little more than intellectual laziness), is putting him on my ignore list...AFTER he responds to this query:

Why aren't you in the military right now? If you're so gungfuckingho, go to your recruiter's office today and sign up, you fucking weak-kneed armchair general motherfucker.
 
[quote name='kittie']

I suppose the War in Iraq caused all of this.[/QUOTE]

No but it ain't helping..in fact, Iraq is making it worse.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Is it even worth it to respond to something Scrub says? He's so PROUD of his ability to overgeneralize an entire population of people, that it's sickening.

And yet, it seems that the attitudes of extremists in the muslim world who, and I will agree with PAD here, want *all* of us dead, have made us blind to the fact that it is *only* the extremists who feel this way. Instead, we now have our own set of extremists whose interest it is to eradicate the entirety of ethnic muslims. So now we have a quickly building tautological (mutually reinforcing and redundant) desire to eliminate each other, and yet nobody in that frame of mind can "see the forest for the trees," to use that tired saying.

"Kill them all!"
"Why?"
"They want all of us dead!"

*sigh*

Scrubking's a bag of hammers, whose sheer idiocy, blind hatred, and unwillingness to use his education to criticize anything about himself or his country (and thus his "let's kill them all!!!" demeanor is little more than intellectual laziness), is putting him on my ignore list...AFTER he responds to this query:

Why aren't you in the military right now? If you're so gungfuckingho, go to your recruiter's office today and sign up, you fucking weak-kneed armchair general motherfucker.[/QUOTE]

lol, that reminds me of the Top Ten Conservative Idiots List this week:

6. Young Republicans
Of course, there are good reasons why the military is suffering from recruitment problems - despite personal pleas from the president himself, the fact is that many young people who support the war simply want other people to fight it for them. Take the Young Republicans of South Carolina, for example. While the war rages in Iraq and violence is on the rise in Afghanistan, the South Carolina GOP recently held a contest to see who could do the best impersonation of Howard Dean "scream." Question: why weren't those young Republicans down at the local recruiting office instead?

Maybe it's because they just don't give a fuck. Max Blumenthal recently attended the College Republican National Convention and asked attendees why they weren't joining the military. Collin Kelley, who said that he's "'sick and tired of people saying our troops are dying in vain,' ... rubbed his shoulder and described a nagging football injury from high school." Edward Hauser, who said "I support our country. I support our troops," also announced that, "I know that I'm going to be better staying here and working to convince people why we're there [in Iraq]. I'm a fighter, but with words."

I'll let Max tell you about Cory Bray himself:


By the time I encountered Cory Bray, a towering senior from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, the beer was flowing freely. "The people opposed to the war aren't putting their asses on the line," Bray boomed from beside the bar. Then why isn't he putting his ass on the line? "I'm not putting my ass on the line because I had the opportunity to go to the number-one business school in the country," he declared, his voice rising in defensive anger, "and I wasn't going to pass that up."

And besides, being a College Republican is so much more fun than counterinsurgency warfare. Bray recounted the pride he and his buddies had felt walking through the center of campus last fall waving a giant American flag, wearing cowboy boots and hats with the letters B-U-S-H painted on their bare chests. "We're the big guys," he said. "We're the ones who stand up for what we believe in. The College Democrats just sit around talking about how much they hate Bush. We actually do shit."

No Cory, you actually are shit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/05/204.html

And last week:

9. Young Republican Chickenhawks
Maybe this will clear things up a bit. Last week, the Defense Department began an extremely dubious project with "a private marketing firm to create a database of high school students ages 16 to 18 and all college students to help the military identify potential recruits in a time of dwindling enlistment in some branches," according to the Washington Post.

Potential recruits eh? Well I surely can't think of a better bunch than the attendees at the upcoming Young Republican National Convention. Unfortunately, recruiting these brave war-supporters may not be as easy as you think. Crooks and Liars recently attempted to place an ad in the official program of the Young Republican National Convention (using an assumed name, of course). The ad read:


Our nation is at War!

We are in a desperate struggle for all we believe in.
Our military is suffering a manpower crisis.
Why are you here when your country needs you in Iraq?
Talk is cheap. America needs more from you.
College, family, and careers can wait.
Heed your nation's call and enlist in the infantry today.


Makes sense, right? Surely the Young Republican National Convention is prime pickings for the nation's military recruiters - fresh-faced young men and women who are not only ripe for military service, but wholeheartedly support the war!

Their response:


We are sorry but we must regretfully reject this advertisment. We feel that the tone of the message is too negative.


Aww, poor darlings. Well, if they don't want a reminder of the human cost of the Iraq occupation spoiling their little shindig, that's their business. I'm sure they don't need, you know, reality to get in the way of making tough-sounding speeches and toasting Donald Rumsfeld. Huge props to Crooks and Liars for exposing these chickenhawks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/05/203.html
 
Looks like the war-profiteering chromosome is showing at Faux News again:

Brit Hume Goes On TV & Says He Wants to Profit Off the Terrorist Attack

Media Matters points out that Fox News' top anchorman, Brit Hume, gave us a glimpse into just how cynical, greedy and disgusting the right-wing's outlook on the world is:

"My first thought when I heard - just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, 'Hmmm, time to buy.'"
- Fox News's Brit Hume, 7/7/05

That's right - his first thought after hearing about the awful terrorist attack in London today wasn't "how tragic," or "let's say a prayer for the dead," or "how can I help the victims" - his first thought was, there was a terrorist attack, how can I personally profit off it? In fact, his impulse to use the bloodshed to make himself money was so intense, he actually voiced it on national television.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/david-sirota/brit-hume-goes-on-tv-sa_3813.html
 
You know, that's the very first time I've ever been to DU. I wondered why PAD spent all that time braying about it. Now, don't get me wrong, I do spend a good deal of time at other sites (Buzzflash, Media Matters, etc.), but I've never been to Democraticunderground.com until today.

Huh.
 
It's always amusing seeing the right-wing, the same people demanding that the ten commandments be displayed in every courthouse, school, and home in America, demanding blood from a general group of people because of a handful of extremists. How ironic that one of the commandments is "Thou shalt not kill".

Had Bush not lost focus with hunting down the terrorists by getting distracted with Iraq (and thus creating more terrorists), then this might have all been averted.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You know, that's the very first time I've ever been to DU. I wondered why PAD spent all that time braying about it. Now, don't get me wrong, I do spend a good deal of time at other sites (Buzzflash, Media Matters, etc.), but I've never been to Democraticunderground.com until today.

Huh.[/QUOTE]

DU and Rawstory is where I get most of my news.
 
Well, first off, it isn't amusing...but that's my opinion.

Also, what's most irksome is how the very people who degrade anything that is not christianity (although having a particular hatred for the other two Abrahamic faiths, for some fucked up reason) and want their preferred religion reinforced by the government and mandated by law, think that only "the other" (muslims) are being religious extremists.

If there is one thing that I absolutely *hate* with all the passion that I can, it is religion. Any of it. All of it. Durkheim showed that it served its purpose in providing a rationale for social order in the past. We have order now, and yet, the sheer irony that the very thing that helped perpetuate social order is now the root cause of its undoing.

Besides, I'd much rather hate a thing (and a thing that is a pure social construction, at that) than a person.
 
I find it funny how a piece of worthless shit that does nothing but spew nonsense, then pats himself on the back as some kind of genius for doing it, talks about ignoring me.

Myke,

You are a F ucking piece of shit. You have surpased Quackzilla in the qualty of your completely worthless posts. Yeah, you make them sound nice, but worthless shit is worthless shit even if you make it sound intelligent. In fact it's worse.

Best of all is your pompous attitude where you think that eveyrthing you say is right cause you're so smart. I should quote your amusing yet worthless rant to PAD about how smart and capable you are, but I don't want to post more of your ridiculous bullshit.

You are a typical wacko who can do nothing but spin everything to fit your own little ideology and then tries to act like he knows everything. In fact you are such a piece of shit wacko that you can't even post outside of the Vs board without trying to pick a fight like here . Normal, sane people should know better than to take the shit that happens in here outside into the rest of the site, but you are not one of them.

And your puny threats about putting me on your ignore list are laughable. Do you think I care? Do you think anyone cares? I can totally understand your weakness and lack of self control to have to blank out my posts. After all that is what your radical kind does - Look the other way and hope that all the problems of the world will disappear and not affect them.

Congradulations! You have graduated to the lowest scum of this site and like I did with Quack I will not acknoledge your repugnant existance anymore unless it is to say F uck you bitch.
 
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'll take "I talk real big but I'll let the poor and/or minorities die instead" for $1000, Alex.

Listen Slappy. You're making yourself look worse by not answering the question, yet still responding. During my first trip to a casino in life, I learned quickly to quit while you're behind. I can only wish the same on you.

And, since I'm a giving person, I'll postpone my coffee trip this morning to post your response to the post I'm working on at the moment. Not only does it save you the typing time, but also the countless minutes that you normally spend coming up with brilliant, insightful, and though provoking refutations to the things that I say. Now, isn't that a bargain! The things myke does for you!

ScrubKing (ok said:
fuck YOU BITCH!
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There. Now sit back and relax. Think to yourself, "What an I going to do with all the time I saved now that myke responded for me? That's gotta be like 37 minutes!"

myke.
...I recommend a nice, bitter glass of lemonade.
 
So... in otherwords, we're not letting you win the game by default so you're taking your ball and running home?



[quote name='Scrubking']I find it funny how a piece of worthless shit that does nothing but spew nonsense, then pats himself on the back as some kind of genius for doing it, talks about ignoring me.

Myke,

You are a F ucking piece of shit. You have surpased Quackzilla in the qualty of your completely worthless posts. Yeah, you make them sound nice, but worthless shit is worthless shit even if you make it sound intelligent. In fact it's worse.

Best of all is your pompous attitude where you think that eveyrthing you say is right cause you're so smart. I should quote your amusing yet worthless rant to PAD about how smart and capable you are, but I don't want to post more of your ridiculous bullshit.

You are a typical wacko who can do nothing but spin everything to fit your own little ideology and then tries to act like he knows everything. In fact you are such a piece of shit wacko that you can't even post outside of the Vs board without trying to pick a fight like here . Normal, sane people should know better than to take the shit that happens in here outside into the rest of the site, but you are not one of them.

And your puny threats about putting me on your ignore list are laughable. Do you think I care? Do you think anyone cares? I can totally understand your weakness and lack of self control to have to blank out my posts. After all that is what your radical kind does - Look the other way and hope that all the problems of the world will disappear and not affect them.

Congradulations! You have graduated to the lowest scum of this site and like I did with Quack I will not acknoledge your repugnant existance anymore unless it is to say F uck you bitch.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='mykevermin']...I recommend a nice, bitter glass of lemonade.[/QUOTE]

Nonsense, turnip juice is for real men.
 
[quote name='camoor']Should have left the pic up.

I know it doesn't matter to you alonzo, but it might wake up some of the die-hard Bush idiots on this board (if they truly had a real Christian bone in their body)

Our media is way to sensitive as a result of sqeamish censorship-friendly soccer-moms (and alonzos) on both sides. If real war was shown (instead of panoramic night-vision scenes of Baghdad getting bombed) maybe more people would stop buying the neocon/fanatical christian BS rhetoric.[/QUOTE]

Ya, I mean there must be something wrong with me if I don't like looking at a shredded young girl, what could I be thinking? :roll:
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Ya, I mean there must be something wrong with me if I don't like looking at a shredded young girl, what could I be thinking? :roll:[/QUOTE]
Yet there is nothing wrong with anti-abortion terrorists walking around forcing people to look at pictures of aborted fetuses...
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Yet there is nothing wrong with anti-abortion terrorists walking around forcing people to look at pictures of aborted fetuses...[/QUOTE]

For some reason that never bothered me that much, probably because one is actually a real, developed person, and one isn't. I saw the abortion mobile (or whatever it's called, it's a giant truck with pics of aborted fetuses on it's side) driving around boston during the DNC. Took a picture of it, but didn't look at it for more than I had to (I had heard about it, so that's why it was worth a picture to me) though. It was just disgusting, not disturbing though.

Either way, I don't see the point, since I'm not saying one is okay while the other isn't.
 
Conservatives try and censor the war, they prevent most dead bodies from being shown on TV.

Yet they applaud anti-abortion terrorits for "showing people the ugly truth".

Just an observtion I made.
 
Next time there's an abortion rally, I wish someone would stand up and hold those photos up of the Iraq War next to them. After all, it's all about saving lives.

Those photos, while disturbing, only reinforce my belief that the neocons have betrayed this country, and that I won't rest until they are all either in jail or disgraced.
 
Those photos, while disturbing, only reinforce my belief that the neocons have betrayed this country, and that I won't rest until they are all either in jail or disgraced.
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Yes, I too hate the conservatives for getting up and being one of the few countries in the world to actually fight terrorism. They should have sat on their asses like the liberals and let them walk all over us. Or maybe we should have surrendered on the spot since we are really to blame for all of the worlds problems and hatred of us. Damn you conservatives!!!!!

:roll:
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Yes, I too hate the conservatives for getting up and being one of the few countries in the world to actually fight terrorism. They should have sat on their asses like the liberals and let them walk all over us. Or maybe we should have surrendered on the spot since we are really to blame for all of the worlds problems and hatred of us. Damn you conservatives!!!!!

:roll:[/QUOTE]
Because destroying a country (full of civilians) that guerillas are hiding (dispersing them into many other countries) in is so much better than using intelligence services and counterterrorism units like the MI5 and the SAS.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Ya, I mean there must be something wrong with me if I don't like looking at a shredded young girl, what could I be thinking? :roll:[/QUOTE]

If an American soldier had to witness this first-hand (not to mention the poor man whose daughter was taken away), then I can handle seeing the picture on the internet from the comfort of my house.

Why must the discussion be censored to fall in line with your delicate sense of taste? Oh I forgot, alonzo the milktoast liberal moderate always knows better then everyone else.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Yes, I too hate the conservatives for getting up and being one of the few countries in the world to actually fight terrorism. They should have sat on their asses like the liberals and let them walk all over us. Or maybe we should have surrendered on the spot since we are really to blame for all of the worlds problems and hatred of us. Damn you conservatives!!!!!

:roll:[/QUOTE]

How was Saddam tied with terrorism again? Bush dropped the ball - instead of fighting terrorism, he went after Iraq. Whatever happened with Osama? oh yeah, he's "not really concerned about him".
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Yes, I too hate the conservatives for getting up and being one of the few countries in the world to actually fight terrorism. They should have sat on their asses like the liberals and let them walk all over us. Or maybe we should have surrendered on the spot since we are really to blame for all of the worlds problems and hatred of us. Damn you conservatives!!!!!

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Which liberals are you talking about? How about these liberals?

You're nothing but a disgrace to yourself if you can't even answer us why you aren't fighting in Iraq.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']How was Saddam tied with terrorism again? Bush dropped the ball - instead of fighting terrorism, he went after Iraq. Whatever happened with Osama? oh yeah, he's "not really concerned about him".[/QUOTE]

How stupid can you be?

We ARE looking for Osama, but the wonderful news doesn't care about that. The other day some of our troops looking for him got killed, but it took them gettng killed for them to make the news.

And even though it's been explained a million times you people continue to ignore it. Bush could come to your house spend a week explaining about the different aspects of fighting terrorism like starting a democracy in the middle east, fighting them in their turf to minimize innocents over here, but after he left you would come on here and still say that we aren't fighting terrorism.

You people's twisted idea of fighting terrorism is staying at home and surrounding our country with the navy and hoping to God we don't get nuked. And if that doesn't work we pull down our pants and let the terrorists have their way.
 
[quote name='camoor']If an American soldier had to witness this first-hand (not to mention the poor man whose daughter was taken away), then I can handle seeing the picture on the internet from the comfort of my house.

Why must the discussion be censored to fall in line with your delicate sense of taste? Oh I forgot, alonzo the milktoast liberal moderate always knows better then everyone else.[/QUOTE]

Hey, what's with all these passive aggressive attacks ;) .

I think objecting to an image, without warning, of a little girl in tatters is objectionable to more than just people with a "delicate sense of taste". The whole "no warning" thing is my issue.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Hey, what's with all these passive aggressive attacks ;) .

I think objecting to an image, without warning, of a little girl in tatters is objectionable to more than just people with a "delicate sense of taste". The whole "no warning" thing is my issue.[/QUOTE]

I'm not passive. I disagree with you, and I think 99% of censorship is BS, whether it be as minor as videogames or as major as people turning a blind eye to the horrors of war.
 
[quote name='camoor']I'm not passive. I disagree with you, and I think 99% of censorship is BS, whether it be as minor as videogames or as major as people turning a blind eye to the horrors of war.[/QUOTE]

Censorship and avoidance aren't the same thing. I'm not denying the fact little girls are being killed by bombs, nor am I saying we should hide it. I'd just prefer a bit of decency and not be slapped with such a disturbing picture without warning.
 
[quote name='camoor']I'm not passive. I disagree with you, and I think 99% of censorship is BS, whether it be as minor as videogames or as major as people turning a blind eye to the horrors of war.[/QUOTE]

Since when did warning become censorship? They put warning before disturbing images are shown on tv, or violent of sex filled movies are shown, do you oppose this?

Besides, there's a fine line between showing reality and using dead people as political tools. Flashing images of dead people without warning, reasoning that this will make more people agree with you, crosses that line. It's the same as what anti abortion opponents do with those massive aborted fetus pictures.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Besides, there's a fine line between showing reality and using dead people as political tools. [/QUOTE]

You should watch a foreign newscast sometimes, they don't edit out the blood and make Iraq a videogame war. In an amazing coincidence, people of other nations don't share the jingoistic fevor of half of the USA.

A warning is the equivelent of the AO rating on videogames, the image gets placed on a back website where only those inclined to keep an open mind will see it. I don't mind a little shock treatment for the American who thinks patriotism consists of nothing more then voting for chickenhawks and putting yellow stickers on the back of thier SUV.
 
[quote name='camoor']You should watch a foreign newscast sometimes, they don't edit out the blood and make Iraq a videogame war. In an amazing coincidence, people of other nations don't share the jingoistic fevor of half of the USA.

A warning is the equivelent of the AO rating on videogames, the image gets placed on a back website where only those inclined to keep an open mind will see it. I don't mind a little shock treatment for the American who thinks patriotism consists of nothing more then voting for chickenhawks and putting yellow stickers on the back of thier SUV.[/QUOTE]

Where you get the idea that I haven't or don't watch foreign news or that I'm unfamiliar with such things is beyond me.

But your argument is extremely simplistic. You trace the entire differences of public opinion simply to how much violence is shown on the news.
 
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