Muslims "warn" South Park Creators
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[quote name='Nebenator']Aaaand there goes the respect you just "earned" from me[/QUOTE]
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Whoopity doo.
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[quote name='mykevermin']I'm gonna disagree with that.
Our nation has, in some small ways, never recovered from 9/11. We're terrified of invoking the ire of a small, radical group of Muslims who don't care for our brand of economic colonialism. We don't really *revere* Muhammad any more than we do Vishnu, but we are scared that doing the former will lead to harm, while the latter is 'safe.'
(meanwhile, economic colonialism continues unabated.)
We're scared of a small, violent, reactionary group of people, and we've bought wholesale into the idea that "they hate our freedom" and other similarly preposterous rhetoric. So while our economic exploitation of other nations, and convenient/perilous alliances with other exploitative and harmful nations (Hi, Israel!), continues, we remain oblivious to the true reasons we were attacked on 9/11/01. furthermore, we're
ing dumb enough to believe that what happens on South Park is more important to al qaeda than imperialism.
But that's just me.[/QUOTE]
After the attack on 9/11 does it really matter why they did it? I think they have pretty much made it clear how they feel. Who attacked us seems to be the more important question.
Our nation has, in some small ways, never recovered from 9/11. We're terrified of invoking the ire of a small, radical group of Muslims who don't care for our brand of economic colonialism. We don't really *revere* Muhammad any more than we do Vishnu, but we are scared that doing the former will lead to harm, while the latter is 'safe.'
(meanwhile, economic colonialism continues unabated.)
We're scared of a small, violent, reactionary group of people, and we've bought wholesale into the idea that "they hate our freedom" and other similarly preposterous rhetoric. So while our economic exploitation of other nations, and convenient/perilous alliances with other exploitative and harmful nations (Hi, Israel!), continues, we remain oblivious to the true reasons we were attacked on 9/11/01. furthermore, we're
ing dumb enough to believe that what happens on South Park is more important to al qaeda than imperialism.But that's just me.[/QUOTE]
After the attack on 9/11 does it really matter why they did it? I think they have pretty much made it clear how they feel. Who attacked us seems to be the more important question.
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Who do you mean by they?
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[quote name='xxDOYLExx']al qaeda[/QUOTE]
Oh. You're one of those people.
Oh. You're one of those people.
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Death to the infidels!
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[quote name='xxDOYLExx']Hey, whadd'ya mean by those people?
I happen to be a person who cares deeply about about stuff and things that affect other stuff.[/QUOTE]
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html
Some of those hijackers must be pretty tough to survive ramming planes into buildings.
I happen to be a person who cares deeply about about stuff and things that affect other stuff.[/QUOTE]
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hijackers.html
Some of those hijackers must be pretty tough to survive ramming planes into buildings.
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[quote name='Strell']Don't worry. I picture FoC saying that to every person he meets all day long, cradling his bony knuckles in each other and cackling scornfully.[/QUOTE]
80% tops.
I get to have a fun chat with my supervisor later. Our company is hiring outside contractors for our NOC, but won't post the position internally.
Not a big deal, but I got my CCNA yesterday. I'm qualified and I want an interview.
80% tops.
I get to have a fun chat with my supervisor later. Our company is hiring outside contractors for our NOC, but won't post the position internally.
Not a big deal, but I got my CCNA yesterday. I'm qualified and I want an interview.
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[quote name='SpazX']whatreallyhappened.com! I haven't been there since high school![/QUOTE]
I just googled "9/11 Hijackers alive". Do they blame Jews for everything too?
I just googled "9/11 Hijackers alive". Do they blame Jews for everything too?
[quote name='xxDOYLExx']al qaeda[/QUOTE]
So you really don't care WHY they attacked?
If my co-worker walked up and kicked me in the balls, after getting mad, the first thing I would do is ask him why in the hell he did that? If I had setup a bunch of stuff in his office and tried to fire his assistant, while supporting a colleague trying to take over his job, I'd probably understand a bit more and re-evaluate my actions.
One-sided support of Israel, which has repeatedly spied on us, attacked our military, and tried to strongarm several Presidents while maintaining the largest nuclear arsenal in the region, is one of the biggest issues. Call me crazy, but they can make do without our $4B annually. Egypt can make do without our couple billion too.
So you really don't care WHY they attacked?
If my co-worker walked up and kicked me in the balls, after getting mad, the first thing I would do is ask him why in the hell he did that? If I had setup a bunch of stuff in his office and tried to fire his assistant, while supporting a colleague trying to take over his job, I'd probably understand a bit more and re-evaluate my actions.
One-sided support of Israel, which has repeatedly spied on us, attacked our military, and tried to strongarm several Presidents while maintaining the largest nuclear arsenal in the region, is one of the biggest issues. Call me crazy, but they can make do without our $4B annually. Egypt can make do without our couple billion too.
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Did anyone see the last episode of The Daily Show? That was gold.
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[quote name='SpazX']I believe so, I remember something from there justifying Hitler's belief that Jews were taking over Germany or something like that.[/QUOTE]
Blaming Jews is so tedious. Why can't crazy people just focus on being crazy instead of hateful?
Blaming Jews is so tedious. Why can't crazy people just focus on being crazy instead of hateful?
[quote name='berzirk']So you really don't care WHY they attacked?
If my co-worker walked up and kicked me in the balls, after getting mad, the first thing I would do is ask him why in the hell he did that? If I had setup a bunch of stuff in his office and tried to fire his assistant, while supporting a colleague trying to take over his job, I'd probably understand a bit more and re-evaluate my actions.
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Are you insinuating that we deserved a terrorist attack?
If my co-worker walked up and kicked me in the balls, after getting mad, the first thing I would do is ask him why in the hell he did that? If I had setup a bunch of stuff in his office and tried to fire his assistant, while supporting a colleague trying to take over his job, I'd probably understand a bit more and re-evaluate my actions.
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Are you insinuating that we deserved a terrorist attack?
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Are you insinuating that there is no difference between saying "there were reasons" and "it was totally justified"?
I am asking him to clarify. Saying that al-Qaeda "had their reasons" sounds like he's trying to understand things from their perspective.
Further, it sounds to me like he's giving reasons for why the terrorist attack should not have come as a surprise to us, and that it could be justified from their perspective by looking at the past.
So, I'm asking, is this accurate?
Further, it sounds to me like he's giving reasons for why the terrorist attack should not have come as a surprise to us, and that it could be justified from their perspective by looking at the past.
So, I'm asking, is this accurate?
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And trying to understand another's perspective is bad how, exactly? What can one gain by blindly asserting that motives and rationale mean nothing?
And trying to understand another's perspective is bad how, exactly? What can one gain by blindly asserting that motives and rationale mean nothing?
[quote name='rabbitt']Are you insinuating that we deserved a terrorist attack?[/QUOTE]
No. My God. You've obviously got some axe to grind and try to go out of your way to twist things until you come to the conclusion, "the muzzies are out to get me"
Nevermind...just read your next post. Yes, the terrorists attacked us because they were having a bad beard day, and because they all hate Americans. Oh, and they hate our freedom, and that women can wear bikinis. :|
[quote name='The Crotch']Are you insinuating that there is no difference between saying "there were reasons" and "it was totally justified"?[/QUOTE]
Thank you. Well put.
No. My God. You've obviously got some axe to grind and try to go out of your way to twist things until you come to the conclusion, "the muzzies are out to get me"
Nevermind...just read your next post. Yes, the terrorists attacked us because they were having a bad beard day, and because they all hate Americans. Oh, and they hate our freedom, and that women can wear bikinis. :|
[quote name='The Crotch']Are you insinuating that there is no difference between saying "there were reasons" and "it was totally justified"?[/QUOTE]
Thank you. Well put.
[quote name='rabbitt']I am asking him to clarify. Saying that al-Qaeda "had their reasons" sounds like he's trying to understand things from their perspective.
Further, it sounds to me like he's giving reasons for why the terrorist attack should not have come as a surprise to us, and that it could be justified from their perspective by looking at the past.
So, I'm asking, is this accurate?[/QUOTE]
For a better explanation, and since you're trying to trap me, I'll come out and clarify my thoughts to you. The US didn't do anything to warrant having bad dudes run planes into buildings (FoC bear with me). The US has done plenty of things to piss off foreign countries, and create an environment where people who feel powerless and angry, can cultivate that anger and look for non-constructive ways to release it. I don't think we created the terrorists of 2001, but I do think we're creating the terrorists of 2020 and beyond with the continued path we're taking. If your pops was blown to pieces by an accidental drone bombing, do you shrug it off and say, sure you killed my dad, but you did bring us Starbucks? Even trade.
Further, it sounds to me like he's giving reasons for why the terrorist attack should not have come as a surprise to us, and that it could be justified from their perspective by looking at the past.
So, I'm asking, is this accurate?[/QUOTE]
For a better explanation, and since you're trying to trap me, I'll come out and clarify my thoughts to you. The US didn't do anything to warrant having bad dudes run planes into buildings (FoC bear with me). The US has done plenty of things to piss off foreign countries, and create an environment where people who feel powerless and angry, can cultivate that anger and look for non-constructive ways to release it. I don't think we created the terrorists of 2001, but I do think we're creating the terrorists of 2020 and beyond with the continued path we're taking. If your pops was blown to pieces by an accidental drone bombing, do you shrug it off and say, sure you killed my dad, but you did bring us Starbucks? Even trade.
Are you not capable of polite discourse?
No, I don't have an axe to grind. You're the one twisting things (where you come up with "the muzzies are out to get me" is a mystery to me) until your full-on satire doesn't reflect a single thing I've said.
So, I'll ask again in a different way. Tell me if you agree with the following.
"al-Qaeda had their reasons for September 11th."
No, I don't have an axe to grind. You're the one twisting things (where you come up with "the muzzies are out to get me" is a mystery to me) until your full-on satire doesn't reflect a single thing I've said.
So, I'll ask again in a different way. Tell me if you agree with the following.
"al-Qaeda had their reasons for September 11th."
[quote name='rabbitt']I'm more concerned with the Muslims that want everyone to be treated under Sharia Law, regardless of whether or not they're Muslim.[/QUOTE]
You seem to be worried that the Muslims are going to put you under Islamic law. I haven't heard anyone reasonable ever cite this as a realistic threat.
[quote name='rabbitt']
In Britain, where the Muslim lobby has much more weight, they've been a lot closer to instituting a separate Sharia Law for the large Muslim population to be treated separate from the rest of the population. If you cannot see what's wrong with this, I don't know what else to tell you.[/QUOTE]
I already expressed how ridiculous the idea that the powerful muslim lobby is going to get the British government to allow muslims to be governed by Islamic law while in the UK. These are the points you're using to...I actually have no idea what you're really trying to do, but these are your examples. They are ludicrous, they present no real danger, and they have no chance of happening. Yet, for some reason you're terrified of it occurring.
[quote name='rabbitt']Are you not capable of polite discourse?
No, I don't have an axe to grind. You're the one twisting things (where you come up with "the muzzies are out to get me" is a mystery to me) until your full-on satire doesn't reflect a single thing I've said.
So, I'll ask again in a different way. Tell me if you agree with the following.
"al-Qaeda had their reasons for September 11th."[/QUOTE]
I think I've been quite polite in discussions actually. Some of these threads can really get nasty. I don't feel like either of us has stooped to that.
Of course al-Qaeda had their reasons. I don't know what they were since I lost my al-Qaeda Beard Club for Men card, but I'm assuming they didn't just decide to hijack 4 planes and crash them into 3 intentional targets on a whim. What idiot would think they did it for no reason?
This is what makes me think you have an axe to grind, since you seem to be grasping at straws.
You seem to be worried that the Muslims are going to put you under Islamic law. I haven't heard anyone reasonable ever cite this as a realistic threat.
[quote name='rabbitt']
In Britain, where the Muslim lobby has much more weight, they've been a lot closer to instituting a separate Sharia Law for the large Muslim population to be treated separate from the rest of the population. If you cannot see what's wrong with this, I don't know what else to tell you.[/QUOTE]
I already expressed how ridiculous the idea that the powerful muslim lobby is going to get the British government to allow muslims to be governed by Islamic law while in the UK. These are the points you're using to...I actually have no idea what you're really trying to do, but these are your examples. They are ludicrous, they present no real danger, and they have no chance of happening. Yet, for some reason you're terrified of it occurring.
[quote name='rabbitt']Are you not capable of polite discourse?
No, I don't have an axe to grind. You're the one twisting things (where you come up with "the muzzies are out to get me" is a mystery to me) until your full-on satire doesn't reflect a single thing I've said.
So, I'll ask again in a different way. Tell me if you agree with the following.
"al-Qaeda had their reasons for September 11th."[/QUOTE]
I think I've been quite polite in discussions actually. Some of these threads can really get nasty. I don't feel like either of us has stooped to that.
Of course al-Qaeda had their reasons. I don't know what they were since I lost my al-Qaeda Beard Club for Men card, but I'm assuming they didn't just decide to hijack 4 planes and crash them into 3 intentional targets on a whim. What idiot would think they did it for no reason?
This is what makes me think you have an axe to grind, since you seem to be grasping at straws.
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[quote name='Strell']That would make them weathermen, not terrorists. Maybe terrorist weathermen.[/QUOTE]
First thing that came up when i searched for terrorist weathreman.
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/img/photos/latuff/latuff_olmert_weatherman.jpg
First thing that came up when i searched for terrorist weathreman.
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/img/photos/latuff/latuff_olmert_weatherman.jpg
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground_Organization
[quote name='berzirk']Of course al-Qaeda had their reasons. I don't know what they were since I lost my al-Qaeda Beard Club for Men card, but I'm assuming they didn't just decide to hijack 4 planes and crash them into 3 intentional targets on a whim. What idiot would think they did it for no reason?[/QUOTE]
Farmers' bet? Twenty dollars on:
1. The higher-ups attempting to use a combination of the attacks on the US combined with the inevitable retaliation to drive up recruitment and support at home, allowing them to overthrow corrupt and secular governments in their area. Obviously, the results have been mixed. The whole "bring the Great Satan to its knees" thing was a total red herring, but useful in recruiting...
2. The guys who did most of the dying and what-not. The aforementioned propaganda plus the legitimate anger over, "Hey. That tank that went through my cousin's home? Yeah, the US paid for it." Give 'em a chance to fight, and what do you expect?
[quote name='berzirk']Of course al-Qaeda had their reasons. I don't know what they were since I lost my al-Qaeda Beard Club for Men card, but I'm assuming they didn't just decide to hijack 4 planes and crash them into 3 intentional targets on a whim. What idiot would think they did it for no reason?[/QUOTE]
Farmers' bet? Twenty dollars on:
1. The higher-ups attempting to use a combination of the attacks on the US combined with the inevitable retaliation to drive up recruitment and support at home, allowing them to overthrow corrupt and secular governments in their area. Obviously, the results have been mixed. The whole "bring the Great Satan to its knees" thing was a total red herring, but useful in recruiting...
2. The guys who did most of the dying and what-not. The aforementioned propaganda plus the legitimate anger over, "Hey. That tank that went through my cousin's home? Yeah, the US paid for it." Give 'em a chance to fight, and what do you expect?
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IR,
In reference to your Clinton quote.
Do you think Iran will stop trying to enrich uranium and development of a ballistic missile capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to the US because of the example we are setting by reducing our missile defenses? run-on, anyone?
Admittedly, I don't know the context of the quote. Or why you like it. Maybe I'm just spoiling for a fight.
In reference to your Clinton quote.
Do you think Iran will stop trying to enrich uranium and development of a ballistic missile capable of delivering a nuclear warhead to the US because of the example we are setting by reducing our missile defenses? run-on, anyone?
Admittedly, I don't know the context of the quote. Or why you like it. Maybe I'm just spoiling for a fight.
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i would say they had their reasons; did it justify 9/11, no. but it makes no since saying they had no reasons, everything has reasons all the way down to eating a sandwich ( cause you is hungry 
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on the topic of southparks episode, i think the satire trey and matt used was pretty clear so ill leave that out.
The problem that i have with Comedy Central editing it was because of why they edited it. Comedy Central believed that if they were to show Muhammad it would cause violence against them. So they removed him because they were afraid.
A few people made threats, and comedy central backed down. Comedy Central was more concerned about their own (and matt/trey's safety) and out of fear they denounced the right to free speech. That's the problem i have. Southpark has shown muhammad before (superfriends), and after the problems in 2004 they lost that part of free speech. They put themselves in the line of fire to get that right back, and comedy central wouldn't allow it.
to summarize: Some groups said "do what i say or i will hurt you", comedy central said "ok, we do it your way". Trey and Matt's right of free speech was revoked. Terrorism was successful. I have a problem with it.
). on the topic of southparks episode, i think the satire trey and matt used was pretty clear so ill leave that out.
The problem that i have with Comedy Central editing it was because of why they edited it. Comedy Central believed that if they were to show Muhammad it would cause violence against them. So they removed him because they were afraid.
A few people made threats, and comedy central backed down. Comedy Central was more concerned about their own (and matt/trey's safety) and out of fear they denounced the right to free speech. That's the problem i have. Southpark has shown muhammad before (superfriends), and after the problems in 2004 they lost that part of free speech. They put themselves in the line of fire to get that right back, and comedy central wouldn't allow it.
to summarize: Some groups said "do what i say or i will hurt you", comedy central said "ok, we do it your way". Trey and Matt's right of free speech was revoked. Terrorism was successful. I have a problem with it.
[quote name='berzirk']But the difference is that Matt and Trey are looking to broadcast their material on a a commercial station. The station gets to decide what to show.
The asshats who made reference to the Dutch murder, and are trying to intimidate Matt and Trey did it on a website...which love it or hate it, is protected by free speech. If it offends the South Park guys that much, they can release a video on YouTube, with no censors, and say or do whatever they want. They are bound by a contract, the whackos with a website are not.
I don't see how this specifically makes our government look like a joke. The government doesn't run Comedy Central.[/QUOTE]
You are full of it. Free speech doesn't give you the right to make death threats, that is against the law.
The asshats who made reference to the Dutch murder, and are trying to intimidate Matt and Trey did it on a website...which love it or hate it, is protected by free speech. If it offends the South Park guys that much, they can release a video on YouTube, with no censors, and say or do whatever they want. They are bound by a contract, the whackos with a website are not.
I don't see how this specifically makes our government look like a joke. The government doesn't run Comedy Central.[/QUOTE]
You are full of it. Free speech doesn't give you the right to make death threats, that is against the law.
[quote name='AdultLink']Free speech doesn't give you the right to make death threats, that is against the law.[/QUOTE]
before someone says "they didn't make a threat they made a prediction", i would like to point out that at one point they had Matt and Trey's workplace, and weekly schedules up for those who wished to "express their opinion to them". there site went down for a while, idk if that info is still up.
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Tesla FTW, greatest man of all time. Genius with goals to better life for all of mankind. Fine tuned Edison's DC electricity and then topped it with AC, the reason we have cheap electricity today (he wanted it to be available free to all). Good on ya.
before someone says "they didn't make a threat they made a prediction", i would like to point out that at one point they had Matt and Trey's workplace, and weekly schedules up for those who wished to "express their opinion to them". there site went down for a while, idk if that info is still up.
P.S.
Tesla FTW, greatest man of all time. Genius with goals to better life for all of mankind. Fine tuned Edison's DC electricity and then topped it with AC, the reason we have cheap electricity today (he wanted it to be available free to all). Good on ya.
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Adhering to the laws within a religion you don't practice...
Um.... What..? Go yourselves.
Um.... What..? Go
yourselves.
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[quote name='xxDOYLExx']Everybody draw mahammad day..
http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=313170[/QUOTE]
nice, someone's gotta remember to make a post so we can riddle it with our paint Muhammad fails on may 20th then.
I haven't heard about this yet, but i know alot of people on sites like 4chan are trying to make Muhammad a full fledged meme, i hope they pull it off.
... i just said that i putting my hope of political activism of the first amendment on 4chan... we areed!
http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=313170[/QUOTE]
nice, someone's gotta remember to make a post so we can riddle it with our paint Muhammad fails on may 20th then.
I haven't heard about this yet, but i know alot of people on sites like 4chan are trying to make Muhammad a full fledged meme, i hope they pull it off.
... i just said that i putting my hope of political activism of the first amendment on 4chan... we are
ed![quote name='An J0e']before someone says "they didn't make a threat they made a prediction", i would like to point out that at one point they had Matt and Trey's workplace, and weekly schedules up for those who wished to "express their opinion to them". there site went down for a while, idk if that info is still up.
P.S.
Tesla FTW, greatest man of all time. Genius with goals to better life for all of mankind. Fine tuned Edison's DC electricity and then topped it with AC, the reason we have cheap electricity today (he wanted it to be available free to all). Good on ya.[/QUOTE]
I'm not the one to say if it's legal or illegal and classify their comments through semantics, but in the story I first read about it, law enforcement said it was legal. Personally, I would side with the experts. You can choose to craft your own opinion and side with whomever you like.
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Tesla FTW, greatest man of all time. Genius with goals to better life for all of mankind. Fine tuned Edison's DC electricity and then topped it with AC, the reason we have cheap electricity today (he wanted it to be available free to all). Good on ya.[/QUOTE]
I'm not the one to say if it's legal or illegal and classify their comments through semantics, but in the story I first read about it, law enforcement said it was legal. Personally, I would side with the experts. You can choose to craft your own opinion and side with whomever you like.
Didn't see this mentioned yet but the original "Super Best Friends" episode has been removed from Netflix instant streaming:
Also to clear up any confusion about the censoring: The big "CENSORED" graphic was meant to be there, it's just the extra bleeping that was inserted after the fact by Comedy Central.
Also to clear up any confusion about the censoring: The big "CENSORED" graphic was meant to be there, it's just the extra bleeping that was inserted after the fact by Comedy Central.
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