My hometown made the national news!!!..... I'm so ashamed

I think some people are forgetting that a lot of the Bill of Rights gets left at the door when you enter a school. You don't get to say anything you want without punishment. There is no freedom of assembly. And the Supreme Court has ruled that random locker searches are allowed for whatever reason.
 
[quote name='jimbodan']I find it funny that if they had just beat up the kid instead of drawing him, they'd be in far less trouble.[/quote]

I think that speaks to a lot of the problems most of us have with this issue, free speech argument or not. If they kids had beaten the kid up (no knives or noose) they would have probably gotten suspended or maybe even just a simple detention, but i highly doubt the authorities would have gotten involved.

Also, kids drawing stick-figures beating each other up is nothing new to schools, and its a little ridiculous to charge 9 and 10 year olds with a felony. Have you guys forgotten that 9 and 10 year old kids are still in elementary school? not even middle school?

Look, i respect your ability to express yourself through your art or whatever you want to do, but i have to say this is a little different. I still think arresting the kids was a retarded move, but i don't think their drawings were protected by free-speech (whether inside school or not). The drawings depicted a specific threat to a specific individual, that's too much of a threat to be considered "art." Having said that, this was still something that the parents and school should have handled. This was a classic case of an over-eager assistant principal (or something like that, most likely) who wanted his career moves to look good and acted without fully considering his (stupid) actions.
 
Since it hasn't been added..

The picture in question:

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[quote name='Scorch']Since it hasn't been added..

The picture in question:

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where'd you find it? i looked for it when i originally posted the topic, but couldn't find anything.
 
UPDATE: All of the children involved were friends, even the alleged "victim." The parents are actively fighting the arrest and one father was interviewed on CNN saying how upset he was about this whole thing, and how this is NOT a case like Columbine. Interesting...
 
[quote name='CheapyD']My hometown made the news during the whole Amy Fisher mess...talk about ashamed![/quote]

Only for her to be shipped to a prison 2 or 3 miles from my house. Take her back :roll:
 
[quote name='Xtreme331']UPDATE: All of the children involved were friends, even the alleged "victim." The parents are actively fighting the arrest and one father was interviewed on CNN saying how upset he was about this whole thing, and how this is NOT a case like Columbine. Interesting...[/quote]

I think the person turning the students in, probably the teacher and ultimately the principle should be locked up... and then fucked in the ass until they bleed, maybe that will wake them up to what is and isn't reality and is and isn't serious.
 
Even if this is the actual "stabbing" picture, we still haven't seen the "hanging" drawing yet, and we don't know the full details of what the situation was there. If all three kids are good friends, what the heck are two of them drawing execution pictures of their other "friend" for? Something is definifetly screwed up with this whole situation. Those kids should know better than this (even at a tender young age), so calling them out on their behavior early may still be in their best interests (so they don't grow up to be little psychos).
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']I think some people are forgetting that a lot of the Bill of Rights gets left at the door when you enter a school. You don't get to say anything you want without punishment. There is no freedom of assembly. And the Supreme Court has ruled that random locker searches are allowed for whatever reason.[/quote]

I don't have a problem with this. The kids probably should have been punished by the school, even if it is just because they want to show them that this isn't acceptable.

But when you involve the police and actually arrest them for a crime, it isn't a school matter anymore. The administrators have taken it out of their hands. The students may not have many rights as it pertains to the school, but the police aren't allowed the same amount of flexibility.
 
Does anybody remember being 10 years old? All it takes is your "friend" maybe breaking your G.I. Joe or (God forbid) losing one of your Gameboy games and you just wanted to kill him. I am in no way excusing what these kids did, but i can not fathom an excuse for getting the police involved. tell me how some counseling and a good smack on the ass wouldn't fix this? What is a 9 year old going to remember about being in jail that he couldn't learn from good old parental discipline? do you honestly think that "shock" treatment (scaring the kids straight) works? Got news for you... in the long term (more than a few years), its worthless. Proven fact.
 
Yeah, I remember being 10 years old. About 20 years ago things were a bit different. Violence is nothing new, one kid beating another kids butt in school is nothing new.

But there are things that have changed....which is why this kind of "expression" is looked at differently now.

Oh, and I never remember wanting to kill my friend for breaking my GIJoes.....nor did I draw out the planning of their death in art class.
 
[quote name='Xtreme331']i can not fathom an excuse for getting the police involved. tell me how some counseling and a good smack on the ass wouldn't fix this?[/quote]

That's pretty funny. :) A good smack on one of those kid's ass today would have gotten the parents or teacher arrested by the police for child abuse. Times have changed, so you must now talk to your child, give them a time-out if necessary. And just as a parent/teacher can no longer smack a kid's ass, kids can no longer make execution drawings in class and expect to get away with it.
 
[quote name='MaxBiaggi3'][quote name='Xtreme331']i can not fathom an excuse for getting the police involved. tell me how some counseling and a good smack on the ass wouldn't fix this?[/quote]

That's pretty funny. :) A good smack on one of those kid's ass today would have gotten the parents or teacher arrested by the police for child abuse. Times have changed, so you must now talk to your child, give them a time-out if necessary. And just as a parent/teacher can no longer smack a kid's ass, kids can no longer make execution drawings in class and expect to get away with it.[/quote]



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hahah awsome, i dont think i've ever seen a 9 or 10 yearold in handcuffs before, must be a site to be seen.
 
You should have seen how mortifying it was when my town had it's 15 minutes.

Two words: Amber Alert. I used to live about a block away from where she was kidnapped. :cry:
 
[quote name='MaxBiaggi3'][quote name='Xtreme331']i can not fathom an excuse for getting the police involved. tell me how some counseling and a good smack on the ass wouldn't fix this?[/quote]

That's pretty funny. :) A good smack on one of those kid's ass today would have gotten the parents or teacher arrested by the police for child abuse. Times have changed, so you must now talk to your child, give them a time-out if necessary. And just as a parent/teacher can no longer smack a kid's ass, kids can no longer make execution drawings in class and expect to get away with it.[/quote]

I agree that if any one of those teachers had hit those kids they would have gotten in a sh*tload of trouble. But there is a HUGE difference between giving a kid a spanking and beating a child. I think that parents have more at their disposal today than simple time-outs or "talks." Spanking is a controversial subject at best and many people strongly disagree with it, while others see its uses. I'm not sure, but i think it has its uses.

Kids should never expect to get away with drawing the violent death of a anyone in school, but the authorities should not be the ones to teach that lesson.
 
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