My N64 is more fun than my PS1

Troy: We can read. We can go back to previous pages. Your rearranging stuff does NOT help us to understand you, as you seem to think.
 
[quote name='electrictroy']And you think calling me "idiot" is helping me to "fit in" with the forum?

Troy[/QUOTE]
No one has called you an "idiot" in this thread.

Also, it isn't our job to make you fit in. We can't do that...only you can.
 
IMO I dont see how the n64 was better considering I just recently bought it used from ebgames.com . But like someone on this thread already said its a matter of opinion . Ofcourse the n64 had great quality games but the ps1 had more quality games than n64 . so the ps1 had both quantity and quality while the n64 had quality over quantity . ofcourse this is only my opinion so I could be right or I could be wrong , but who cares someone has,had and will have fun with either or .
 
Not much I really enjoyed on the N64, traded mine for a PS1 back in the day. But a few weeks ago I got one for free so I'm not complaining :D
 
The PS1 did have more realistic games (thanks to its CD system & pre-drawn backgrounds + story-intensive games).



But the N64 games have better replayability - that's why I keep dusting it off & turning it on. It's fun to just kill an hour playing Fzero or Mario Party.

troy
 
I think the N64 had the least amount of games I was interested in on a Nintendo Console. I went with the Playstation over the N64. I now own a N64 as there are some really great games for it but the PS just had so many games in general.

The one thing I'll never understand is the whole cartridge \ CD complaint. I realize that CD helped out in the pricing area but....Although CD brought us some advantages the N64 just ran a shitload better. There weren't shitty loading times. They still piss me off on the PS2. The gamecube also has barely any loading times compared to the PS2. Nintendo does hardware right.
 
[quote name='jkam']The one thing I'll never understand is the whole cartridge \ CD complaint. I realize that CD helped out in the pricing area but....Although CD brought us some advantages the N64 just ran a shitload better. There weren't shitty loading times. [/QUOTE]The CD allows games like Final Fantasy to use pre-drawn pictures & movies for background, thereby creating more detailed worlds to explore.

The Cartridge doesn't have enough room, and has to use the less-attractive polygon backgrounds (or no background at all).




The PS1 did have more realistic games (thanks to its CD system & pre-drawn backgrounds + story-intensive games).

But the N64 games have better replayability - that's why I keep dusting it off & turning it on. It's fun to just kill an hour playing Fzero or Mario Party.

troy
 
I picked up FF9 from Blockbuster a few weeks ago and I've come to realize the PS1 is the greatest system of all time. FF7-9 are top 10 RPGs, SOTN is still the #1 side-scroller, Tekken 3 can still hang, some of the better console gun games, Super Puzzle Fighter 2 the #1 console puzzle game, Metal Gear Solid, Street Fighter Alpha 3, ... Just a huge number of games that hold up.
 
[quote name='electrictroy']The CD allows games like Final Fantasy to use pre-drawn pictures & movies for background, thereby creating more detailed graphics.

The Cartridge doesn't have enough room, and has to use the less-attractive polygon backgrounds.[/QUOTE]
Is that so?

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Ogre Battle 64. What was that you were saying about no pre-rendered backgrounds on a cart game?
 
I guess if you think RPGs are normally only worth one play through, I can see this outlook. Personally IMO the PS1 had the best RPGs (including the SNES ports that I play even more than the true PS1 games.)

I've got a PS1, PS2, NES, SNES, Genesis, GC, Dreamcast, Saturn, Xbox (bought in pretty much that order). I sold the N64...

The N64 was the only console that I got rid of (along with my Atari 7800/2600 which I didn't feel like investing in real controllers, and didn't play that much). Wasn't getting enough replay value out of it. All the N64 games that I liked got updates pretty much (Mario Kart, Zelda, Smash brothers, etc...and the n64 Zeldas are emulated on the collector's discs).

The only N64 game that I want to play now is Star Fox 64 since Star Fox Armada kinda sucks (spent some time with the rental). Killer Instinct was always fun but I don't really have anyone to play fighting games with any more.

Then again I'm kind of an RPG person, so if it doesn't have superior fighting games or RPGs, I'm not too interested.
 
[quote name='javeryh']How can you like the N64 and not like the GCN? The GCN practically has upgrades of all the great N64 games.[/QUOTE]

I disagree...
Goldeneye
Perfect Dark (sequel coming to XBOX360)
Conker (inferior sequel released for XBOX)
Banjo-Tooie
Zelda OOT (inferior sequel released on GC)
Super Mario 64 (inferior sequel released on GC)

Only Super Smash Bros & Mario Kart had improved sequels on GC.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Ogre Battle 64. What was that you were saying about no pre-rendered backgrounds on a cart game?[/QUOTE]1 or 2 exceptions, don't change the general rule: CDs have more room for art & video. It's a simple fact that you CAN'T do Final Fantasy 7 on a cart. FF7 has ~2000 megabytes of pre-drawn movies & background that wouldn't fit on a 32 megabyte cart.

troy
 
I like both PSone and N64 a lot. Each system has its own strengths and weaknesses, but at the end of the day, it's easy to have loads of fun with either system. Of course, the ideal situation would be to own both.
 
Lame game line up, lame graphics, lame sound. There just weren't that many games for it, and once you get a Cube and pick up all the enhanced versions of the old games, it makes the system almost usless.

[quote name='j.elles']
On another note. N64 sold really well. .[/QUOTE]

Nintendo sold about 32 million n64s, while Sony sold about 100 million ps1s.

I think TODAY, the GCN is a much better console because the game are just overall better, and a lot of the game that were on the n64 are obsolete now because of sequels on the GCN or other consoles.
 
Totally disregarding what evanft said, the N64 is by far better. Sure, PS1 had a lot of good titles, but they had tons of misses. When you make roughly 1000 games a year, 100 of those being about bass fishing, you're bound to have a few hits.

Nintendo, on the other hand, released maybe 500 titles total for the N64? I don't know the number, but let's look at the amount of hits: Mario Kart, Super Mario 64 (dubbed the best game ever by several magazines), Star Fox 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Zelda: Majora's Mask, Blast Corps, Donkey Kong 64, Goldeneye, and Wave Race 64 to name a few. Diddy Kong Racing alone spawned spinoffs including Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day, both of which are continuing series.

What makes the N64 better is that it aimed for quality instead of quantity. Sony just accepted any video game idea and published it. How else do you think we ended up with Elmo Cooks Oatmeal and Barbie's Hair Combing Extreme?

Dude you just edited your post and said things that can be related to what I said. Copycat.
 
[quote name='Kayden']1995 called, it wants it's flamebait back. :lol:[/QUOTE]

It's "its" goddamnit! His, hers, its!
 
[quote name='Blade']Totally disregarding what evanft said, the N64 is by far better. Sure, PS1 had a lot of good titles, but they had tons of misses. When you make roughly 1000 games a year, 100 of those being about bass fishing, you're bound to have a few hits.

Nintendo, on the other hand, released maybe 500 titles total for the N64? I don't know the number, but let's look at the amount of hits: Mario Kart, Super Mario 64 (dubbed the best game ever by several magazines), Star Fox 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Zelda: Majora's Mask, Blast Corps, Donkey Kong 64, Goldeneye, and Wave Race 64 to name a few. Diddy Kong Racing alone spawned spinoffs including Banjo-Kazooie and Conker's Bad Fur Day, both of which are continuing series.

What makes the N64 better is that it aimed for quality instead of quantity. Sony just accepted any video game idea and published it. How else do you think we ended up with Elmo Cooks Oatmeal and Barbie's Hair Combing Extreme?

Dude you just edited your post and said things that can be related to what I said. Copycat.[/QUOTE]

I seriously doubt there were 500 game released for the 64 in the U.S. Maybe a few hundred, but no where near 500.
 
Okay, 297. It just proves that the quality of N64 games are better, and therefore it is a better console.

You argued that you can play remakes of all the old games on new systems, but what about the compatibility of the PS1/PS2? You don't even need a PS1 because it can play the exact same games.

The fact that they're re-releasing N64 games and people are buying them verifies the greatness of the N64 and its games.
 
This whole thread makes me want to go buy a used N64 and pick up all the old classics for it.

Then again, with the Revolution coming out next year, it seems like a moot point.
 
[quote name='Maverick CRV']This whole thread makes me want to go buy a used N64 and pick up all the old classics for it.

Then again, with the Revolution coming out next year, it seems like a moot point.[/QUOTE]

How does the Revolution make the N64 a moot point?
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster'][quote name='someone']This whole thread makes me want to go buy a used N64... Then again, with the Revolution coming out next year, it seems like a moot point.[/quote]How does the Revolution make the N64 a moot point?[/QUOTE]
Because you can download the N64 games to the Revolution. No need to buy an N64.

troy
 
I just sold my 64 to EB because it was collecting far too much dust with its weak catalog of games. Only a handful of games for it I even wanted let alone played often. I'm still playing through PSX games that I haven't before and not being disappointed. Sports games were FAR better on the 64 because of the analog stick, especially FIFA and of course wrestling, but the bread and butter of the 64 seems to be platformers and I do hate platformers.
 
Opinion on this matter is going to matter somewhat on nostalgia and what types of games you prefer.

In my case, I never bought the PS1 (didn't have the cash at the time) and only got the N64 late (early 1998). But, I did get many cheap N64 games :)

I lost interest in RPGs at the end of the SNES era and haven't really ever got the taste back but I do love Zelda-style games. Mostly I just don't have time for them (wife and kids intrude on game time).

Fighting games and sports games mean nothing to me. My favorites now are definitely platformers and in that case the N64 wins.

Sony was able to take videogaming into a new realm (for better and worse) . . . they made games a cool thing and expanded the market. Sony's model has not changed and reflects the music industry quite a bit. A constant stream of games with many of them being cool and fun but most of them very shallow.

Sony made games that older teens loved . . . Twisted Metal . . .
 
Here's the thing, though, Sony doesn't make a lot of games, or at least the percentage of first-party games for the PS1/2 vs. the N64/GCN is drastically different.

And I love how the games on Sony systems are, in your words, "shallow":

Gran Turismo 4
God of War
Sly Cooper Series
Ratchet and Clank Series
Jak Series
Final Fantasy Series
All the various RPG series available on the PS1/2
SOCOM Series
Grand Theft Auto Series

[quote name='Blade']Okay, 297. It just proves that the quality of N64 games are better, and therefore it is a better console.[/QUOTE]

297?? Pffft...the Dreamcast had 250. Shoot, include the great imports, and the DC lineup outclasses the N64 lineup.

[quote name='Blade']You argued that you can play remakes of all the old games on new systems, but what about the compatibility of the PS1/PS2? You don't even need a PS1 because it can play the exact same games.[/QUOTE]

That makes the PS1 library completely viable, and makes remakes almost worthless. Why buy a purely graphical upgrade to a game you already own?

[quote name='Blade']The fact that they're re-releasing N64 games and people are buying them verifies the greatness of the N64 and its games.[/QUOTE]

Few things:

1. There aren't many quality games released for the Cube, so anything good sells.

2. Nintendo fanboys love sequels to old franchises.

3. I'd like to see actual total sales numbers for the remakes on the GCN and compare them to the originals.
 
To repeat what I said before: PS1 has more games. That's a fact. But when you subtract the trash and/or the "merely good" games from PS1 lineup.....

...you end up with fewer PS1 "masterpieces" than N64 "masterpieces".



And as I said in message #1, N64 games have better replayability.

IMHO...
troy
 
This is getting silly...

Some people prefer the N64 lineup and some prefer the PS1.

There are more quality games for PS1 because there are more games.

I'm sure the ratios turn out around equal.

The fact that N64 had an entire GENRE almost completely unaccounted for in it's 4-5 year run is inexcusable.
 
[quote name='evanft']And I love how the games on Sony systems are, in your words, "shallow":

Gran Turismo 4
God of War
Sly Cooper Series
Ratchet and Clank Series
Jak Series
Final Fantasy Series
All the various RPG series available on the PS1/2
SOCOM Series
Grand Theft Auto Series

[/QUOTE]


My "shallow" comment was more about the approach than the games themselves . . . I love many of the PS2 games mentioned above . . . but I was talking about the PS1.

The point is that the shift to discs and better graphics means we have the game of the week (like the music and DVD industry) . . . "go on out and buy the game of the week!" In the cart days you bought a game a month and played it to death. Now, even if a game is long many people will lose interest quickly . . . hence my view of "shallow".

Nintendo with the N64 found itself caught in the middle between the old cart (fewer games that are costly to make) and the new model (more games that are easy to press) . . . it was a bad mistake that really shut them out. Clearly most gamers hungered for Sony's vision . . . tons of games means a better chance of finding something you really like.
 
[quote name='evanft']297?? Pffft...the Dreamcast had 250. Shoot, include the great imports, and the DC lineup outclasses the N64 lineup.[/quote]

You asked how many US titles were released. Include the great N64 imports (Animal Forest, Goemon, Evangelion titles, etc etc etc) and there would easily be more games.


[quote name='evanft']That makes the PS1 library completely viable, and makes remakes almost worthless. Why buy a purely graphical upgrade to a game you already own?[/quote]

Name some purely graphical N64 upgrades and you've got a point.



[quote name='evanft']
1. There aren't many quality games released for the Cube, so anything good sells.

2. Nintendo fanboys love sequels to old franchises.

3. I'd like to see actual total sales numbers for the remakes on the GCN and compare them to the originals. [/QUOTE]

1. Nintendo has less third-party support because Gamecube discs are harder to produce than PS2/Xbox discs. Jimmy down the road could make a PS2 video game easily, and send it in. Chances are it would be produced. Oh, and some quality Cube games: Super Mario Sunshine, Resident Evil 4, Geist, Zelda: Wind Waker, Animal Crossing, Super Smash Bros Melee, Tales of Symphonia, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, Metroid Prime series, etc.

2. [quote name='evanft']Gran Turismo 4
Sly Cooper Series
Ratchet and Clank Series
Jak Series
Final Fantasy Series
All the various RPG series available on the PS1/2
SOCOM Series
Grand Theft Auto Series[/quote]

3. There haven't been any direct remakes except for the Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition (which I'm sure everyone's grateful for).
 
I've always liked nintendo a little bit more than sony, but I personally think that the ps1 is better than n64. Maybe it's because I haven't played that many good n64 games
 
I loved N64, so many great games, starfox, smash bros, goldeneye, harvest moon, ogre battle and the list can go on for ages. No system has yet to match the blockbuster titles that were on the N64.
 
Ogre Battle 64 eh...

What is the game like? I've never played it or seen it in action, and I can get a new copy for like $10. Worth it?
 
Maybe I need to go pull my PS1 games off the bookshelf, dust them off, and try playing them again.

Gran Turismo 2 - blah, looks like pixelated crap
Xenogears - blah - I've already played it twice.
Spyro 2 - nah, nowhere near as good as Mario or Banjo


Hmmm.... Pac-Man World. That looks fun.

troy
 
I thought a bit more about my "shallow" comment that I made in relation to Sony's great success in the videogame market. I was saying that Sony helped to move VGs toward a situation that was more like the music or DVD businesses . . . try to sell a game to people each week. I think that would be their ideal.

I think its a good observation but I made a mistake in describing it. The shallowness comes from the idea that the games should then be highly desirable but not replayable.

My mistake was suggesting that Sony caused this shift to occur.

But the shift did occur. And the key is that CD/DVD format opens up the opportunity for much more detailed graphics. The problem (overall) is that once you see "movie-like" environments, you want variety of scenery.

For instance, one of my favorite games from this generation is Ico . . . but point blank I have little interest in replaying it (I will someday but I won't be surprised if I lose interest). A great game can break through this, that's why Halo saved the Xbox.

But take a game of much simpler graphics . . . Tetris . . . I could play it endlessly. The more abstract titles of the past required a different kind of imagination to play.

The tragic part is that once you've played games with enhanced graphics, you have less interest in playing the more abstract games.

So, some of the nostalgia for the N64 is likely the fact that the games had to work in the inbetween zone. 3D but with limited storage.

Most of the really good PS1 games have been done better in the current generation. Some of the better N64 games will come out very differently today.
 
I think games lost their "replayability" when they developed fixed endings. There's no point in replaying a game you already beat. (Which is why I rarely replay PS1 games.)



But you mentioned Tetris, which has no ending. It's always challenging you to score higher/go farther. (Which is why I still enjoy playing N64 titles.)

troy
 
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