My take on the Revolution (Reading is FUNdamental!)

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It's official. The Revolution is on it's way. And it's going to pack a whole lot of pow....uhh.....old NES games? After hearing that this piece of "next generation hardware" won't even be able to compete with the original Xbox in terms of performance, I couldn't help but wonder if Nintendo even knows what the hell they are doing anymore.

First of all, Nintendo is hoping that the Revolution will make it's money by offering classic NES, SNES, N64, and GameCube games, as well as games from other classic platforms. Well isn't that just super? Considering, if people want to play NES, SNES and N64 games, they dust off their old consoles or emulators. Most hardcore Nintendo fans, the people that Nintendo are gearing this system at, still have those old consoles, and still play the games, so, why would they want to play them on the Revolution? It's not like these new games are gonna be optimized for HDTV's. And when it comes to playing classic games, most of the people who do this are either incredibly casual (and their NES or SNES is the only console they own), or, they are gaming enthusiasts. So, how exactly will enthusiasts be turned off by the ability to download and play Super Metroid? Well, basically, gamers like to OWN their classic games. They like to slide the cart into the machine, click the ON button, and play. They get joy out of bragging to their buddies that they still have all their SNES carts, with their original boxes, instuctions, and other pack-ins. With the Revolution, you won't have this. All the games will be emulated. And, as far as I am concerned, playing classic games like Super Mario Brothers 3 or Tecmo Bowl isn't nearly as fun when I'm not playing it on the system it was originally designed for, and I can hold that rectangular NES controller (control pad, or "paddle", as we used to call them back in the days). It's not much more different than your easily available, 100% free emulation.

I also think that, with people already enjoying incredible looking games like GRAW, Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, and Resident Evil 4, that the Revolution's technical shortcomings will REALLY end up hurting it. You know, there's a reason why some of the most intuitive, unique games out right now are also the ones that aren't exactly flying off store shelves. With the Revolution, a lot of these games are gonna have to rely on gameplay and creativity to sell, and not flashy high definition graphics. And in todays gaming market, where a lot of the casual fans make their purchasing decisions based on screenshots, commercials, or short demos, Nintendo is really gonna feel the pinch when these casual gamers decide to get the game that looks the best, and not neccessarily the one that PLAYS the best.

Another huge reason why I don't think the Revolution is gonna be a hit is the 3rd party support. With the Xbox 360 already a hot item, and the PS3 looming around the corner, why would ANY 3rd party publisher make an exclusive title for the Revolution? With the Revolution's lack of power in comparison to the 360 and PS3, a developer would have to make 2 different versions of the same game, 1 for the powerful consoles, and the other for the Revolution. This also ties into my last arguement. Why would someone buy the Revolution version of the next Burnout or Madden game, when the 360 and PS3 versions look a lot better? Nintendo should have learned their lesson already, when it comes to third party support. The N64 had only a handful of decent 3rd party games, as did the GameCube. Is Nintendo THAT confident in their 1st part studios that they can pretty much tell developers that they don't need their big time multi-console games?

Sure, the Revolution is going to have this funky controller that basically acts like one of those Rappala Fishing TV game controllers. But as that really enough to carry the thing? Sure, the concept might be cool and unique the first couple times you play it, but, in the case of some games, won't it get incredibly stale? You can only simulate chopping a carrot so many times before it starts to feel tedious and boring. Games are meant to pull you out of your everyday life, and live out your fantasies, as silly as that sounds. Is a game where you perform household tasks with the use of the controller really gonna be all that fun? And for those who argue that the controller can be used to throw passes in a football game, or swing a sword in an RPG, do you honestly think it's REALLY going to feel authentic? I mean, in the end, you're really just waving a controller around in the air. I can put a pencil in my hand and pretend I'm conducting an orchestra, but it still FEELS like I'm just waving around a pencil.

Nintendo is looking to get non-gamers interested in the Revolution. Good luck. Videogames have been around long enough that, if you aren't playing them now, in some form or another, than you probably never will, and I don't think the Revolution is gonna change that. Also, non-gamers ARE familiar with the way current console controllers look. When they see the Revolution controller, and how different it is, I'm guessing a lot of them will be turned away. Maybe I'm wrong.

So there you have it, my objective look at the Revolution. I'm sure many of you reading this will argue that whole "objective" thing, but keep in mind that all my opinions are backed up by reasons, and not just biased fanboy blather. Do I want the Revolution to fail? Of course not. Will I buy one? Probably not. It's gonna take more than classic games that I got tired of 10 years ago, and a unique controller that you is just an expanded version of the TV games you can buy at Wal Mart, for me to shell out $150-200 for a "next generation" console. Especially when all these 360 and PS3 games look so damn good.
 
1) I think you're overestimating how much relevance Nintendo is putting into the whole Virtual Console idea. I dont think its going to be a big part of what they expect their profits will be. Its just a little aside, a bonus if you will. Thats like going around saying that the 360 arcade is the selling point of the machine.

2) It is true that casual gamers may end up picking what looks best on the surface before trying it, based on screens or reviews or whatnot. This is the CURRENT state of things, and something that Nintendo wants to CHANGE, by bringing gameplay to the forefront.

3) Regarding 3rd Party Support:
a) Developing a second or third version of a multiplatform game, depending on the scalability of the engine, probably greatly varies in dificulty. Not having to support High Def will help in running in on a weaker system. And if its really cheap to do so, it might be worth the trouble anyway, regardless of how little or much trouble it may actually be. Games were brought to the PS2 from GC and XBOX1. Some games CURRENTLY coming out on the 360 are still being put on the PS2.

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Why would someone buy the Revolution version of the next Burnout or Madden game, when the 360 and PS3 versions look a lot better?
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Because thats not the point of the Revolution. While the 360/PS3 versions will play the same, Madden/Burnout for the Revolution will not be able to be replicated on the 360/PS3, no matter how much more power it has.

c) Nintendo isnt telling the big multiplatform developers that they dont need their games. You seem to assume this because its a weaker, and much different all around, system. Previously, Nintendo had the idea of having a "Dream Team" of strong 2nd party games, over strong 3rd party support. That really flopped on them and they know it. I think they're working very actively to bring back the 3rd party support, both in exclusives and multiplatform. Though realistically, EVERY REVOLUTION GAME will be an exclusive.

4) Regarding the Controller itself: I dont think its going to get old, simply because the analog stick didnt get old, the MOUSE, which it most resembles, didnt get old. These all add something to the gaming experience which was previously absent, and is intended to become a new standard, just like the analog stick and the mouse. Sure, there are some more 'out there' theoretical applications, like swinging a sword around, but there are more practical things, like FPS/RTS control, and things that the mouse have been used for PC games for a long time.

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Nintendo is looking to get non-gamers interested in the Revolution. Good luck. Videogames have been around long enough that, if you aren't playing them now, in some form or another, than you probably never will, and I don't think the Revolution is gonna change that. Also, non-gamers ARE familiar with the way current console controllers look. When they see the Revolution controller, and how different it is, I'm guessing a lot of them will be turned away. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Its certainly will be an uphill battle for Nintendo to court people who havent previously gamed. However, Its not relevant to say that these non-gamers will be turned off by the Revolution controller, because they are turned off by REGULAR controllers, which they dont use anyway even though they are familiar with the shape. However, they ARE BOTH familiar with AND USE a remote control. A lot of factors went into the design of the controller, given what it does and how you are supposed to use it. It just wouldnt work as well with a traditional controller. I can tell you one thing that hasnt/doesnt woo non-gamers. Graphics. Gameplay at least has a chance to, especially if it is intuitive and fresh.

The DS has done just this in Japan. The people who lined up for DS lites were a very different crowd than have ever lined up to buy consoles, ever.
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In short, given the state of the industry, its easy to be pessimistic about how Nintendo will do in this system. Thats why Nintendo wants to change the system altogether. The codename for the console is NOT just a clever name.

Does it benefit Nintendo to be a 3rd console in the industry with a dual shock clone, powerhouse? Does it benefit anyone to have 3 systems with nearly nothing differentiating them? I know Ruined seems to think so, but I dont see it.

Like the DS, its something that has to be experienced first hand for proper understanding. Pre-launch, people were forecasting the PSP would trample the DS, despite it being a much weaker, 'gimmicky' system. DS 3rd party support is strong, and bringing gameplay to the forefront CAN succeed. Epic and 3DRealms had initially come out blasting the Revolution, though both admitting they hadnt tried it. After getting a dev kit, Epic has since recanted those statements.
 
Just skimming over some points, how can you even judge something when you haven't even seen it or what it can do? I mean I'm skeptical of the thing, as anyone should really be, but why can't people just reserve their judgement until......*gasp* we actually see the games and see how the controller works
 
How do you know that the Revolution won't compare to the Xbox? We've seen nothing of it...

As for the whole lesser graphics hurting it, the DS has proven that it can hold its own against the far more powerful PSP.

Also, I like how you threw Resident Evil 4 into the "PMG GRAFIX!1" category since you know...its going to be playable on the Revolution and its basically guaranteed that the Revo can produce better graphics than the Gamecube, thus being able to make better looking games than RE4...
 
[quote name='Genocidal']About what I expected when I saw the OP. Maybe I'll write up my own monologue when I wake up.[/quote]

Dont bother. I'll take care of this.
 
Wow... a long flamebait thread. Nice work.

The minute I read that you equated CPU speed with overall system performance I just stopped reading. Any points based off that flawed, uninformed, and just overal wrong idea are invalid. Spend some time studying electronics, learn how systems work together in a machine like a computer and a video game system, then realize you don't have any of the information you need to make an intelligent comment on the Revolution's performance, and then move on to do something else.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']It's official. The Revolution is on it's way. And it's going to pack a whole lot of pow....uhh.....old NES games? After hearing that this piece of "next generation hardware" won't even be able to compete with the original Xbox in terms of performance, I couldn't help but wonder if Nintendo even knows what the hell they are doing anymore.[/QUOTE]

Someone didn't read the specs, or doesn't know how to compare them.

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First of all, Nintendo is hoping that the Revolution will make it's money by offering classic NES, SNES, N64, and GameCube games, as well as games from other classic platforms. Well isn't that just super? Considering, if people want to play NES, SNES and N64 games, they dust off their old consoles or emulators. Most hardcore Nintendo fans, the people that Nintendo are gearing this system at, still have those old consoles, and still play the games, so, why would they want to play them on the Revolution?[/quote]

I don't know, call me whacky in the nuts, but having one console to play those games (some of which Nintendo has asserted will receive more than just cosmetic changes) sure beats dragging out a system, changing out my cables, and then dicking with the cart. And this is assuming the cart still works properly, and assuming I own most/all of the games or cna find a way to get them for cheaper than through download (and I doubt Ebay would work there). Not to mention, I don't have a TGX16, or Sega CD, and my NES busted a while ago. Of course, I could go get a new 72 pin connector, and buy a security bit set...but why the fuck would I want to do that? Hey, let's not forget all the games that weren't released here that could easily be put on the virtual console! Then again, what kind of jerk asshole would want that when he could have 6 systems set up all over his entertainment center? Moreso, what idiot would want to play old, simple games? Xbox Live Arcade? PSP Emulation? What the hell are those?!

[quote name='VanillaGorilla']It's not like these new games are gonna be optimized for HDTV's. And when it comes to playing classic games, most of the people who do this are either incredibly casual (and their NES or SNES is the only console they own), or, they are gaming enthusiasts. So, how exactly will enthusiasts be turned off by the ability to download and play Super Metroid? Well, basically, gamers like to OWN their classic games. They like to slide the cart into the machine, click the ON button, and play. They get joy out of bragging to their buddies that they still have all their SNES carts, with their original boxes, instuctions, and other pack-ins. With the Revolution, you won't have this. All the games will be emulated. And, as far as I am concerned, playing classic games like Super Mario Brothers 3 or Tecmo Bowl isn't nearly as fun when I'm not playing it on the system it was originally designed for, and I can hold that rectangular NES controller (control pad, or "paddle", as we used to call them back in the days). It's not much more different than your easily available, 100% free emulation. [/quote]

I don't know what kind of weird-ass fetish you have, but I sure as hell don't need to "slide the cart into the slot" to get my jollies off. And for free emulation, hey, why not? In fact, ALL GAMES SHOULD BE FREE! Then all we'd have to do is wade through tons of porn banner ads and Trojan Horses only to find out that the copy of SoulBlazer we downloaded was the Albanian version. Well, you have fun with that Slobodan.
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I also think that, with people already enjoying incredible looking games like GRAW, Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, and Resident Evil 4, that the Revolution's technical shortcomings will REALLY end up hurting it.[/quote]
That's right, RE4, that game that was on the SERIOUSLY UNDERPOWERED Gamecube. And the Revo only being 2-3x the Gamecube's power? Can you imagine the Jaggiez lol?!
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You know, there's a reason why some of the most intuitive, unique games out right now are also the ones that aren't exactly flying off store shelves. With the Revolution, a lot of these games are gonna have to rely on gameplay and creativity to sell, and not flashy high definition graphics. And in todays gaming market, where a lot of the casual fans make their purchasing decisions based on screenshots, commercials, or short demos, Nintendo is really gonna feel the pinch when these casual gamers decide to get the game that looks the best, and not neccessarily the one that PLAYS the best.[/quote]

Kind of like how the Gamecube didn't make money...wait-The DS....wait no, uh....
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Another huge reason why I don't think the Revolution is gonna be a hit is the 3rd party support. With the Xbox 360 already a hot item, and the PS3 looming around the corner, why would ANY 3rd party publisher make an exclusive title for the Revolution? With the Revolution's lack of power in comparison to the 360 and PS3, a developer would have to make 2 different versions of the same game, 1 for the powerful consoles, and the other for the Revolution. This also ties into my last arguement. Why would someone buy the Revolution version of the next Burnout or Madden game, when the 360 and PS3 versions look a lot better? Nintendo should have learned their lesson already, when it comes to third party support. The N64 had only a handful of decent 3rd party games, as did the GameCube. Is Nintendo THAT confident in their 1st part studios that they can pretty much tell developers that they don't need their big time multi-console games?[/quote]

That's the point holmes, Nintendo said it doesn't "Just want ports". Additionally, there's going to be an attachment for a "Normal Controller". Some people yell "ATTACHMENT? BUT WHY?!" Well, get it or don't play certain ports(and I'd be willing to bet it'll be cheap or bundled with something, not to mention specific attatchments can be made. I seem to remember people going apeshit over Guitar Hero). On a personal note, if I see one less copy of Madden this next-gen, I'll be happy.

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Sure, the Revolution is going to have this funky controller that basically acts like one of those Rappala Fishing TV game controllers. But as that really enough to carry the thing? Sure, the concept might be cool and unique the first couple times you play it, but, in the case of some games, won't it get incredibly stale? You can only simulate chopping a carrot so many times before it starts to feel tedious and boring. Games are meant to pull you out of your everyday life, and live out your fantasies, as silly as that sounds. Is a game where you perform household tasks with the use of the controller really gonna be all that fun? And for those who argue that the controller can be used to throw passes in a football game, or swing a sword in an RPG, do you honestly think it's REALLY going to feel authentic? I mean, in the end, you're really just waving a controller around in the air. I can put a pencil in my hand and pretend I'm conducting an orchestra, but it still FEELS like I'm just waving around a pencil.[/Quote]

Yes, because just sitting there and passively absorbing the game is SO MUCH BETTER. Of course the Rev-mote will get boring and stale, unlike those DualShock clones with Awesome FPS 16, or Generic Ass Level Grind RPG or, even better, Team Based Online Combat Game 100(with 100% more insults about race!). This is coming form a guy who likes fucking Mario games.
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Nintendo is looking to get non-gamers interested in the Revolution. Good luck. Videogames have been around long enough that, if you aren't playing them now, in some form or another, than you probably never will, and I don't think the Revolution is gonna change that. Also, non-gamers ARE familiar with the way current console controllers look. When they see the Revolution controller, and how different it is, I'm guessing a lot of them will be turned away. Maybe I'm wrong. [/quote]

Again, I have to point at the DS. I saw an old lady dicking around with Tetris DS yesterday, and before I kicked her in the face and stole it, I had to fan myself to get over the shock. Remember when videogames were for reclusive nerds? Things can change.
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So there you have it, my objective look at the Revolution. I'm sure many of you reading this will argue that whole "objective" thing, but keep in mind that all my opinions are backed up by reasons, and not just biased fanboy blather. Do I want the Revolution to fail? Of course not. Will I buy one? Probably not. It's gonna take more than classic games that I got tired of 10 years ago, and a unique controller that you is just an expanded version of the TV games you can buy at Wal Mart, for me to shell out $150-200 for a "next generation" console. Especially when all these 360 and PS3 games look so damn good.[/QUOTE]
And there we have it. I'll agree that Graf-X are important, but goddamn. I doubt I'll ever see a game and scream "OH MY GOD, IT'S SO REAL!"




A few closing points:
1. These specs were put out by Matt Fat-Tits-What's-His-Name, and was prefaced by "This is totally 100% real, and from a legit source". He's never qualified a statement like that before. Makes you think. IGN does an April Fools joke every year around this time (30th or so), which means there's a chance this isn't real.

2. The systems are running on different architecture, which means you can't DIRECTLY compare them (you can compare them, but it's not as easy as 'This is so-so MHZ and this is So-So Mhz more). Maybe someone with more tech knowledge can actually break them down for the benefit of all of us?

3. It seems a little low, considering the claims of 2-3x power. I'd be willing to bet the final specs are closer to 1.some odd Ghz and 100MB or so of RAM(at least, that would be nice). As for HD, the Revo will support 480p so it'll look sweet on a good set.(not AMAZING ASS BLOWN OUT, but damn good). I personally have never seen Progressive Scan or HDMI or DRMSNATCH or whatever else they have. I may upgrade to S-Video this time around. On a side note, do you know how many Xbox 360 RF cables my GS sells to people around here? The answer might surprise you.

4.Nintendo isn't stupid. they may be the fucking nuttiest game company on the planet, but they're a major corporation. They've been making money since this "NINTENDO IS DOOMED" crap started years ago, and I bet if they called it the KIDtendo 3 and strapped a big, flopping, purple headed Dildo to it they'd still make a profit. And Iwata(laughing all the way to the bank) could buy all the toothpaste, sushi, and scat porn he needs.

5. Nintendo claims it wants to be the "companion console". So what? Well, even if you have a PS3/XBox360 and like it more, you know what you did?...You bought a goddamn revolution! That means Nintendo still made money! It doesn't matter if you bought it for one game or 50, it's still in your house.


It's hard to say what's going to happen, but dooming Nintendo is a bad idea. Even when they're at their worst, the fat-cash still rolls in, and they don't need "Lucid Dream 4D Graf-X" to bank it. Would I like the Revo to be more powerful, uh yeah, but the fact that it is what it is makes me want it more than if it were trying to be similar to the other consoles power-wise.
 
And how is this news, Vanilla Gorilla?

No, this most definitely is NOT news as you said this is only your "objective" opinion. So move this "news" to the "Vs Mode" forum b/c as this has no bearing on anything what-so-ever.

Might as well just put *Warning! Flamebait!* in the subject header. Yeesh.

And the funny thing is, I somehow doubt that Vanilla will EVER respond to any of these comments. So why even bother wasting our time?
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']And how is this news, Vanilla Gorilla?

No, this most definitely is NOT news as you said this is only your "objective" opinion. So move this "news" to the "Vs Mode" forum b/c as this has no bearing on anything what-so-ever.

Might as well just put *Warning! Flamebait!* in the subject header. Yeesh.

And the funny thing is, I somehow doubt that Vanilla will EVER respond to any of these comments. So why even bother wasting our time?[/QUOTE]

Because this is the INTERNETZ!. It's just something you have to do...That, and I hear this all the time.
 
About the Nintendo's Revolution specs barely being above the Xbox's spec thing.... What I think is funny is that for the Xbox 360 being so mega-powerful loaded with all this ram, and triple processing power it just looks like a cleaner version of Xbox 1 in 75% of the games. With the exception of Oblivion everything looks really similar to Xbox, and you're paying a very premium price. At least Nintendo isn't going to be charging us out the ass for a slight graphics update.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']It's official. The Revolution is on it's way. And it's going to pack a whole lot of pow....uhh.....old NES games? After hearing that this piece of "next generation hardware" won't even be able to compete with the original Xbox in terms of performance, I couldn't help but wonder if Nintendo even knows what the hell they are doing anymore.[/QUOTE]

Look at it this way: The Gamecube was very comparable to the Xbox in performance - games that were designed from the ground up for GC look just notches under games developed specifically for the Xbox. Now this system is twice the power of a Gamecube.

Let's say Gamecubes graphics were 80% as good as Xbox's:

Xbox - 20% Graphical capability x 2.5-ish

Do the math.

By the way, above posters addressed most of my grievences with your post, but I think you've completely missed the point of the Revolution. Graphics don't make a game fun.
 
tldr, s.o.s., don't knock it till you try it, lots of false assumptions on things nobody knows for sure except for nintendo etc. etc. etc.
 
Hey guys, if I slapped my keyboard randomly with my wang, could I write a more meaningful post?

Cuz I think I could.
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']And how is this news, Vanilla Gorilla?

No, this most definitely is NOT news as you said this is only your "objective" opinion. So move this "news" to the "Vs Mode" forum b/c as this has no bearing on anything what-so-ever.

Might as well just put *Warning! Flamebait!* in the subject header. Yeesh.

And the funny thing is, I somehow doubt that Vanilla will EVER respond to any of these comments. So why even bother wasting our time?[/QUOTE]
Since when do threads in this forum have to be news?
 
[quote name='Strell']Hey guys, if I slapped my keyboard randomly with my wang, could I write a more meaningful post?

Cuz I think I could.[/quote]

Incorrect, as you wont be writing anything with a keyboard that is crushed by what I'll call, girth.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Incorrect, as you wont be writing anything with a keyboard that is crushed by what I'll call, girth.[/QUOTE]

THAT IS THE CORRECT ANSWER.
 
I was going to write a big long Nintendo Fanboy post....but honestly I don't give a shit anymore. The only console out right now is the 360 which for me doesn't have anything to offer (as of yet anyway). Nintendo has always kept my attention with their games. We all already know the system will be underpowered. It's old news. Play the system and if you feel the same then so be it. Who knows maybe you'll be suprised. Maybe you'll hate it. I'll wait for some screenshots and some play time.
 
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We're missing Botticus! This won't feel right without him. =(
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Haha... I thought I posted on the first page, but apparently it did not submit. I started reading, then did not discover the fun that VG spoke of. Maybe I'll write something else later.

But off-the-cuff, here's something to think about:
Let's say hypothetically that most gamers will only be able to afford one $400+ console. So either PS3 or 360. Now, let's say hypothetically that half of the people who get a PS3 also get a Revolution. And half of the people who get a 360 get a Revolution (we've seen with this gen that a large majority of people have more than one console). Considering that rather than a watered-down version of their first console (which some might say the GC is compared to the Xbox and PS2), the Rev will be a completely different beast, at a markedly lower price point, I'd say this is somewhat realistic.

In this hypothetical scenario, there are as many Revolution owners as PS3 or 360 owners, ignoring the Nintendo fanboys who may only get the Revolution. Tell me again why 3rd parties wouldn't be interested in supporting Nintendo's console?
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']And how is this news, Vanilla Gorilla?

No, this most definitely is NOT news as you said this is only your "objective" opinion. So move this "news" to the "Vs Mode" forum b/c as this has no bearing on anything what-so-ever.

Might as well just put *Warning! Flamebait!* in the subject header. Yeesh.

And the funny thing is, I somehow doubt that Vanilla will EVER respond to any of these comments. So why even bother wasting our time?[/QUOTE]

OK, what the fuck are your peoples problems? Do you have that much of a nostalgic Nintendo hard-on that, whenever anyone posts something about them that isn't gushing praise, you label it flamebait? Well excuse the fuck out of me for posting my opinions, that just so happened to piss you off because they don't agree with yours. I'm sorry that i'm not your typical CAG forumite, who loves his DS, and can't wait to jump on the new innovative game bandwagon because I think it will make me look so much more hardcore. But wait, don't you wanna hear about my UBER RARE GAME AUCTIONS first!?

And when was I ever the one to NOT respond to comments made about me? You know what? If you don't like my posts, don't constantly read them, then try to find some clever way of breaking them down. Just don't read them at all, jerkoff.
 
VanillaGorilla. Your topic wouldn't be labeled as flamebait if you had done a little more research before you posted. I don't think the entire forum has something against you and people that don't like Nintendo.
 
[quote name='Foolman']VanillaGorilla. Your topic wouldn't be labeled as flamebait if you had done a little more research before you posted. I don't think the entire forum has something against you and people that don't like Nintendo.[/QUOTE]

Research? So, what part of my post was wrong? The part about the Revolution being weaker than an Xbox, or the part about Nintendo focusing on old firsty party games as downloads, or the part about the controller being used to cut vegetables? Face it, if it's not glowing praise, or if someone doesn't agree with your opinion, even if it has a slight hint of negativity, it's labeled "flame bait". I guess it's true, since most Nintendo fanatics will throw their Pikachu dolls around their crib whenever they read something about Nintendo that they don't agree with 100%.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Research? So, what part of my post was wrong? The part about the Revolution being weaker than an Xbox, or the part about Nintendo focusing on old firsty party games as downloads, or the part about the controller being used to cut vegetables? Face it, if it's not glowing praise, or if someone doesn't agree with your opinion, even if it has a slight hint of negativity, it's labeled "flame bait". I guess it's true, since most Nintendo fanatics will throw their Pikachu dolls around their crib whenever they read something about Nintendo that they don't agree with 100%.[/QUOTE]

Yes(look at the specs), Yes( With the addition of TG16 and Sega's Library, 1st party games are outclassed), and Yes(there have been no "vegetable Chopping" games. In fact, there are only a few games we know that may be heading for the Revolution). And the last part of that is why people are so acerbic.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Research? So, what part of my post was wrong? The part about the Revolution being weaker than an Xbox, or the part about Nintendo focusing on old firsty party games as downloads, or the part about the controller being used to cut vegetables? Face it, if it's not glowing praise, or if someone doesn't agree with your opinion, even if it has a slight hint of negativity, it's labeled "flame bait". I guess it's true, since most Nintendo fanatics will throw their Pikachu dolls around their crib whenever they read something about Nintendo that they don't agree with 100%.[/quote]
The part about the Revolution being weaker than an Xbox
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Possibly Wrong

or the part about Nintendo focusing on old firsty party games as downloads
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Focusing? Wrong. This is really a bonus and shouldnt be a strong draw to the system by itself. You better believe that if the xbox had a gaming library way back then that they would try to offer it, but instead they have that Arcade business, but I dont go around saying Microsoft will make its money off it.

You could in theory chop vegetables in a game on any system. Some games, like Harvest Moon, have you picking vegetables. Other games already have crude cooking, like Namco's Tales series. This is a function of the game, not the controller. You can cut vegetables with the D-pad or Analog stick, or you can do it with the Revmote just as well. Its completely beside the point.

Most of the rest is just an opinion, but people feel that some of the assumptions that your opinions are based on could be argued.
 
Reality's Fringe]Yes(look at the specs) said:
may be[/i] heading for the Revolution). And the last part of that is why people are so acerbic.
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THEN WHY DID NINTENDO SHOW A DAMN VIDEO OF THE GAME, IN WHICH A CHEF IS CHOPPING VEGETABLES, AS A TECH DEMO? THAT'S ONE OF THE MARKETED USES FOR THE CONTROLLER, DURRRRRRRRRRR!

And Nintendo ISN'T focusing on downloadable classic Nintendo games? Geez, for not focusing on that aspect, they sure did put a lot of time and effort into making ALL THEIR NINTENDO CONSOLES BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE ON THE THING. Did I ever say it was the ONLY thing they are doing with it?
 
I can never really tell if you intentionally bait people or have just had bad experiences with Nintendo and like to express your negativity. As for why it's flamebait? You could have saved yourself a lot of typing time and us a lot of reading time by just writing "Nintendo is doomed, the Revolution will fail" and pointed to every other thread about the Rev which generally discuss everything you presented your opinion about - especially since you usually chime in on those threads with excerpts from the OP.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']THEN WHY DID NINTENDO SHOW A DAMN VIDEO OF THE GAME, IN WHICH A CHEF IS CHOPPING VEGETABLES, AS A TECH DEMO? THAT'S ONE OF THE MARKETED USES FOR THE CONTROLLER, DURRRRRRRRRRR!

And Nintendo ISN'T focusing on downloadable classic Nintendo games? Geez, for not focusing on that aspect, they sure did put a lot of time and effort into making ALL THEIR NINTENDO CONSOLES BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE ON THE THING. Did I ever say it was the ONLY thing they are doing with it?[/quote]
They aren't actually playing games in that video. It was an example of how it works and all those people were actors. And the focus isn't on the VC. The focus is on the controller and the yet to be announced feature. Practically their entire TGS show was to reveal the controller. The VC didn't get anything close to that. Just a little news at a time.
 
Revolution more powerful than the Xbox you say? Direct from IGN Revolution:

"Clearly, numbers don't mean everything, but on paper Revolution's CPU falls performance-wise somewhere well beyond GameCube and just shy of the original Xbox."

Yeah, I guess you guys know more than people who get paid to play these things for a living...
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']THEN WHY DID NINTENDO SHOW A DAMN VIDEO OF THE GAME, IN WHICH A CHEF IS CHOPPING VEGETABLES, AS A TECH DEMO? THAT'S ONE OF THE MARKETED USES FOR THE CONTROLLER, DURRRRRRRRRRR!

And Nintendo ISN'T focusing on downloadable classic Nintendo games? Geez, for not focusing on that aspect, they sure did put a lot of time and effort into making ALL THEIR NINTENDO CONSOLES BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE ON THE THING. Did I ever say it was the ONLY thing they are doing with it?[/QUOTE]

Oh, you mean that flashy promo advertisement at TGSin which the main goal was to show some interesting/funny ways to use the controller? Did the fact that the guys were wearing chef costumes set off any alarms for you? And where did ANYONE say they weren't focusing on downloading old Nintendo game? Yeah, they'll be included, but you're acting like 1st party in-house Nintendo games are all they're going to have.
Oh, and (If all you care about are the MEGAHURTZ)the original Xbox only had a 233 MHz GPU and everyone claimed Xbox kicked the PS2 and GC in graphics. So, Revolution’s 243 MHz GPU is right there with Xbox1 in GPU MHz(In fact, it's 10 more!).

I guess Matt Cassi-guy is all-knowing, so you should read it and take it for fact! Jesus Dude, you're basing this off of specs from "not finalized" dev kits.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Revolution more powerful than the Xbox you say? Direct from IGN Revolution:

"Clearly, numbers don't mean everything, but on paper Revolution's CPU falls performance-wise somewhere well beyond GameCube and just shy of the original Xbox."

Yeah, I guess you guys know more than people who get paid to play these things for a living...[/QUOTE]
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89372

Read the thread, not just the article, before you speak again. [people in there even make decent points against the Rev :whistle2:o]

But to highlight, numbers across different architectures are not directly comparable. This is why they say "on paper."
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']THEN WHY DID NINTENDO SHOW A DAMN VIDEO OF THE GAME, IN WHICH A CHEF IS CHOPPING VEGETABLES, AS A TECH DEMO? THAT'S ONE OF THE MARKETED USES FOR THE CONTROLLER, DURRRRRRRRRRR!

And Nintendo ISN'T focusing on downloadable classic Nintendo games? Geez, for not focusing on that aspect, they sure did put a lot of time and effort into making ALL THEIR NINTENDO CONSOLES BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE ON THE THING. Did I ever say it was the ONLY thing they are doing with it?[/QUOTE]
Wow, ok, I wasn't going to say anything more, but seriously...

First of all, you just contradcited yourself. It was in fact a TECH DEMO. Are the PS3 ducks going to be a game? No. Tech demos rarely get released as a game, but even if they do, they have polish beyond the tech demo. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

The downloadable game is A focus, but not THE focus. Nintendo's goal is to get more people into games with some non-traditional stuff. They don't want to alienate the hardcore gamers, though, so part of that focus is to have the downloadable classic games that gamers from console-generations past loved to play.

You seem to forget that A) these supposed machine specs are stll from specification speculation (that's right, I said it! Now YOU say it 3x fast!) and that B) the proof is in the pudding my friend. The Xbox far out-musceled both the Cube and the PS2 in raw power on paper. Obviously the Xbox out sold all the other consoles from this generation, right? Right? Oh wait, the "horribly underpowered" PS2 sold more than twice the cube and Xbox combined? Hmmm... maybe there's a flaw to this seemingly perfect logic!

When the games come out and you can play them all and judge for yourself what you like and what you don't like, then you'd have a reason to be spouting off. Until then, complaining about suspect numbers on a piece paper is just plain goofy.
 
Reality's Fringe said:
Oh, you mean that flashy promo advertisement at E3 in which the main goal was to show some interesting/funny ways to use the controller? Did the fact that the guys were wearing chef costumes set off any alarms for you? And where did ANYONE say they weren't focusing on downloading old Nintendo gameS? yeah, they'll be included, but you're acting like 1st party in-houde Nintendo games are all they're going to have.
Oh, and (If all you care about are the MEGAHURTZ)the original Xbox only had a 233 MHz GPU and everyone claimed Xbox kicked the PS2 and GC in graphics. So Revolution’s 243 MHz GPU is right there with Xbox1 in GPU MHz(In fact, it's 10 more!).

I guess Matt Cassi-guy is all-knowing, so you should read it and take it for fact! Jesus Dude, you're basing this off of specs from "not finalized" dev kits.
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I've heard it from more than one source. And I'll trust him more than i'll trust some Nintendo fanboy with obvious biases on a message board meant to save people money on games. I've been fairly objective in my criticisms of the Revolution, you, however, have been rabid fanboys when it comes to criticizing everything I posted. Are you super secret members of the Nintendo Power fanclub, who comb through message boards and try to root out any people who might not lick Satoru Iwata's elf pointed boots?

I love this "wait until it's out, then judge it" excuse. Yet it doesn't stop you people from sticking up for it like it's the greatest piece of entertainment ever created.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Are you super secret members of the Nintendo Power fanclub, who comb through message boards and try to root out any people who might not lick Satoru Iwata's elf pointed boots?[/QUOTE]
Um, its actually the Super Power Club, jackass. Member ID #11392928-5. Unfortunately it expired 12/31/92. I need to re-up to get my benefits again. Off-topic, I also found a coupon for a free NES or SNES cleaning at some place in Madison Heights, MI when I found my membership card, in case anyone needs it.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']I've heard it from more than one source. And I'll trust him more than i'll trust some Nintendo fanboy with obvious biases on a message board meant to save people money on games. I've been fairly objective in my criticisms of the Revolution, you, however, have been rabid fanboys when it comes to criticizing everything I posted. Are you super secret members of the Nintendo Power fanclub, who comb through message boards and try to root out any people who might not lick Satoru Iwata's elf pointed boots?[/QUOTE]

:lol: That's right, your awesome sources. Those gaming blogs that all reported on IGn's article right? Man, you're like some super industry spy! Of course you've been objective, even though you stated that was your opinion, right, and even though you've contradicted yourself many times now?
You haven't addressed anyone's counter-points even once.


I'm a fanboy?! I've never heard that before. EVER! So, if we criticize you we're fanboys, but if you criticize us you're just being "Objective and professional". Good job, I bet you did well in debate class.
 
You know, if this thread continues like this, Strell will come through on this threat (promise?) to post with his wang. None of us want that....
 
[quote name='daroga']You know, if this thread continues like this, Strell will come through on this threat (promise?) to post with his wang. None of us want that....[/QUOTE]

....kinda...
 
Matt is the so far the singular source for 'insider sources'. They dont talk to Gamespot apparently. Everyone else really does just link from IGN for the most part.

All we know is that Matt supposedly talked to someone. You either believe him or you dont. By himself, as a singular source, he has no credibility. Just because he gets paid to keep people interested in the website doesnt exactly add to this.
 
[quote name='daroga']
The downloadable game is A focus, but not THE focus. Nintendo's goal is to get more people into games with some non-traditional stuff. They don't want to alienate the hardcore gamers, though, so part of that focus is to have the downloadable classic games that gamers from console-generations past loved to play.

[/QUOTE]

Once again, please show me where I said the sole focus of the Revolution was to play old Nintendo first party games. Seems to me I said "First of all, Nintendo is hoping that the Revolution will make it's money by offering classic NES, SNES, N64, and GameCube games, as well as games from other classic platforms." Did I say it would make ALL of it's money off these games? And looky there, I said "other platforms", yet funny, numerous posters afterwards called me out for saying Nintendo is only gonna put first party games on the Revolution. I love selective readers.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']I love this "wait until it's out, then judge it" excuse. Yet it doesn't stop you people from sticking up for it like it's the greatest piece of entertainment ever created.[/QUOTE]
Who's defending "like it's the greatest piece of entertainment ever created"? Some people are excited about the Revolution, sure, but no one here (you included) has seen anything concrete about how the Revolution will play or WHAT it will play. If you hadn't started this thread with overflowing jackassery, maybe you wouldn't be on the defensive.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Once again, please show me where I said the sole focus of the Revolution was to play old Nintendo first party games. Seems to me I said "First of all, Nintendo is hoping that the Revolution will make it's money by offering classic NES, SNES, N64, and GameCube games, as well as games from other classic platforms." Did I say it would make ALL of it's money off these games? And looky there, I said "other platforms", yet funny, numerous posters afterwards called me out for saying Nintendo is only gonna put first party games on the Revolution. I love selective readers.[/QUOTE]
Are you serious? "When I said they hope they make their money off classic games, I meant they hope they make a small percentage of their money off classic games and the rest of the money off new games. Yeah... honest." Move on.

And I defend the Rev just as I try to avoid putting down the PS3 (the 360 is out, so it's a little more fair game ;)) I don't see how you can be so negative about something that for all intents and purposes doesn't exist yet.
 
If you are just giving your opinion about how you think the Rev will fail, isn't everyone else giving their opinion that the Revolution will be good? What's the difference? You are the first one to fly off the handle and start cursing away.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Once again, please show me where I said the sole focus of the Revolution was to play old Nintendo first party games.[/quote]


'kay.

[quote name='"Vanilla Gorilla"'] First of all, Nintendo is hoping that the Revolution will make it's money by offering classic NES, SNES, N64, and GameCube games, as well as games from other classic platforms[/Quote]

[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Research? So, what part of my post was wrong? [...]The part about Nintendo focusing on old firsty party games as downloads[...][/QUOTE]


There you go.

[quote name='"Vanilla Gorilla"']Seems to me I said "First of all, Nintendo is hoping that the Revolution will make it's money by offering classic NES, SNES, N64, and GameCube games, as well as games from other classic platforms." Did I say it would make ALL of it's money off these games? And looky there, I said "other platforms", yet funny, numerous posters afterwards called me out for saying Nintendo is only gonna put first party games on the Revolution. I love selective readers.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you mentioned "Other platforms", but you put emphasis on Nintendo's old consoles first, and then mentioned a sole focus on "firsty party" games. You also claimed "That's how they're planning to make their money".

It's called "Reading between the lines", because sometimes the whole story isn't spelled out for you.
 
[quote name='daroga']Who's defending "like it's the greatest piece of entertainment ever created"? Some people are excited about the Revolution, sure, but no one here (you included) has seen anything concrete about how the Revolution will play or WHAT it will play. If you hadn't started this thread with overflowing jackassery, maybe you wouldn't be on the defensive.[/QUOTE]

So, my opinions that people won't play the older games for long without getting sick of them, 3rd parties being put off by it because their versions of multiconsole games will need to be ported down, and today's modern casual gamer not buying it because it's doesn't look as good as the next generation systems, all those opinions are "jackassery"? I didn't know that only certain people were allowed to post their opinions without them getting bitched about by everyone else. Seems like you people, who will fly off the handle based on one mans opinion, look like the real jackasses.
 
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